I need help about a woman from Ukraine

[Aloe]

ManLooking is making a joke and ur all taking it seriously. If you cant notice it from the "a-spot", pregnancy, and resulting baby characteristics, plus a gorilla, then at least notice it by all the cliches he used to describe a trustworthy person. I had a good laugh

Ranetka, tsk tsk, too long without russian language. Nobody uses a single word "amerikanski" referring to people. Its an adjective, it has to be used with a noun(amerikanski durachok?) or in a context where a noun is implied. Noun for an american person is amerikanets.

[Ranetka]

ManLooking is making a joke and ur all taking it seriously. If you cant notice it from the "a-spot", pregnancy, and resulting baby characteristics, plus a gorilla, then at least notice it by all the cliches he used to describe a trustworthy person. I had a good laugh

Ranetka, tsk tsk, too long without russian language. Nobody uses a single word "amerikanski" referring to people. Its an adjective, it has to be used with a noun(amerikanski durachok?) or in a context where a noun is implied. Noun for an american person is amerikanets.

Was not sure if Manlooking knew what Americanets was. Wanted to make sure he would understand.  Thank you anyway, now I know as well what the Russian word for a American Man is. (I thought it was пин...)

[ML]

ManLooking is making a joke and ur all taking it seriously. If you cant notice it from the "a-spot", pregnancy, and resulting baby characteristics, plus a gorilla, then at least notice it by all the cliches he used to describe a trustworthy person. I had a good laugh

At last!!

I was beginning to think we had many retarded people here.

[groovlstk]

At last!!

Touche, Manlooking.

I was beginning to think we had many retarded people here.

We do, but so what? 

[Stirlitz]

Most of those on hooker sites include it in their services, sometimes at an extra charge .

If you mean web sites that offer services it is usually premium girls who would do whatever you like, even blowjob without a condom.

Yet if you walk near Philarmonia in Odessa late at night and are ‘mobbed’ by a group of cute and not-so-cute ‘butterflies’ there is an easy way to get rid of them: tell them you are looking for anal. They will all disappear in a jiffy. I have seen that personally “Girls they want anal here!”

According to Babushka network, anal sex could lead to activation of the A-spot (as distinct from the G-spot) and pregnancy could result.

And, even more unfortunate, the child from such a pregnancy will usually be very dark and hairy.

Not sure about spots and pregnancies but anal sex with many men (who would also be far from being tender and only care about their pleasure) could lead to some unpleasant things in your back orifice, I would not elaborate but you would be very embarrassed to have it…

[Ranetka]

At last!!

I was beginning to think we had many retarded people here.

 

Takes one to know one...

[mies]

Hi

why do you ask questions you aren't ready to hear replies to?
your fears of her being a prostitute are about same grounded as her fears of you being internet porn addict, and who knows - maybe you have worked as a stud in a gay bar. Who knows, right? Of course she wants to trust you but you never proved otherwise, and we all know that there are many gay people in Western world, and it is not uncommon for some of them to financially support their (much younger) partners. And even though there are many gay people around the world, she would not want to meet a guy who was having sex with other men for money.

I do not want to offend you - only want to show that you should be careful with where your imagination can lead you.

On a side note: i think that top 5 countries in the world with both hottest men, and highest concentration of hot men in native population, are the following:
1) Denmark
2) Netherlands
3) Switzerland
4) Germany
5) Norway

No offense to men from all other countries  

[mies]

Spunk,
The reason that I asked is because it is a terrible idea to get this kind of advice from anyone, you are not asking about anything specific, like which hotel, or cheap flights or the name of a good interpreter etc. You are asking personal advice and the only one who can answer your question is you. Everyone is different.
I wouldn't want to judge her without knowing her just as I wouldn't want anyone to judge me either without knowing me, would you? Sorry if I seem too sharp, but IMO you haven't developed enough skills to really make these kinds of decisions on your own and any answers you get from a third party (especially someone who doesn't know you) is just a "crap shoot".
If you have the tickets and wanted to go to Ukraine any way, just get on the plane and go and meet her and as I/O said...."Pack your preservation and get your penicillin shots up to scratch."
If you live in Denmark, go ask advice of the Helsesøster.

excellent reply.

[Spunk]

It was not my plan to use more time in this Forum, because my mind is clear about my meeting with the woman from Ukraine. I’ll go there on Friday next week and airplane tickets and renting of apartment is booked and paid.

The reason why I asked my questions in this forum is because here I can be anonymous and maybe somebody could come with a good advice. I got several answers there helped me and also I of course had to think different and tell myself to understand. That is all clear now and I trust the woman.

I believe she after her divorce (at the time she was 25 years old) lived a heavy life until she was about 28 when she was working in a bar as bartender. Now she’s 38 years old and has had another job for the last 10 years.

I was just surprised over to hear that she liked anal sex because I heard that it was not so normally in Ukraine. When she so told me that she after her marriage had 3 relationships and a very few one night stands, yes so I was surprised overt that she could remember how many men she got sex with. I haven’t told this in the forum before but she also tried double penetration (and she also told me she liked it very much, but it was a long time ago and she almost forgotten it). Such just made me start to think and be my guest judge me if you people want. But such things only happen in porn movies in my life and so call me old-fashioned. And by the way so 61% of woman in Denmark between 22 – 35 years old have tried anal sex, but I don’t know how the digits are for Ukraine.

And I’m absolute not gay and have never been it and I’m not going on a sex holiday in Ukraine (if somebody maybe believe that).

Maybe a lot again will something negative to me, but I don’t care – I can live with that.

Maybe I can write back and tell how everything went, when I come back in the middle of April.

Have a good Easter

Spunk

[Gylden]

Good luck with your trip Spunk!

Good to hear you put some thought into your situation and yes please if you could tell us how it went after.
 

[Gator]

Spunk,

I also wish you good luck.  It seems that I may have misjudged you.

I haven’t told this in the forum before but she also tried double penetration (and she also told me she liked it very much...)

Are you looking for volunteers from RWD to travel with you? 

Seriously, a long time ago I was showing to a sexual UW a webpage of vibrators.  When she saw the double dong model she told me in a slow, deep voice, "Much like." 

And by the way so 61% of woman in Denmark between 22 – 35 years old have tried anal sex,

Not surprising because most people experiment.  The real question is how many Danish women liked anal sex and practice it with any frequency.  I doubt it is 61%.

but I don’t know how the digits are for Ukraine.

Easy answer.  Most women, UW or Danish, would find  digits more comfortable (hint - look up the anatomical definition of digit) 

[Mir]

I was just surprised over to hear that she liked anal sex

lucky you 

[facetrock]

Better give it to her to be on the safe side if she asks for it... You dont want to offend her or have her think your gay.

Stay away from the double penetration thing with another guy... We might think your gay then.

[mies]

It was not my plan to use more time in this Forum, because my mind is clear about my meeting with the woman from Ukraine. I’ll go there on Friday next week and airplane tickets and renting of apartment is booked and paid.
...

Have a good Easter

Spunk

Have a good Easter too!

Spunk - you are partly correct in your concerns - it is not typical for a woman or man in Ukraine to have sex with more than one partner. However, I do not think the person should be judged solely on their preferences in sex. There is no direct correlation between a person  having particular sexual preferences and offering sex for money. Furthermore - some people may enjoy more than one sex types, but choose not to discuss it openly - pretending to be prudish.

Good luck!

[boaterguy]

lucky you 

For the life of me I never understood why someone would wanna stick their tool where it wasn't intended to go. It's just plain gross to me. The only reason I could think of is perhaps the person's tool is to small to feel anything in the proper hole!  :evil:

[Faux Pas]

For the life of me I never understood why someone would wanna stick their tool where it wasn't intended to go. It's just plain gross to me. The only reason I could think of is perhaps the person's tool is to small to feel anything in the proper hole!  :evil:

Some or perhaps many people truly believe anus is the hole where some things were meant to be 

[daveyj]

Maybe I can write back and tell how everything went, when I come back in the middle of April.

How did it go?

[Mir]

For the life of me I never understood why someone would wanna stick their tool where it wasn't intended to go.

So I guess oral is out as well?

[boaterguy]

So I guess oral is out as well?

LMAO! Ya got me on that one!  :evil:

[Spunk]

After some weeks home from my meeting with the woman in Ukraine I’ve decided to tell about the meeting and what happened after the meeting.

I arrived late Friday the 2nd of April to the woman’s town. She picked me up by taxi and we went together to the rented apartment, but she went down again to the taxi and went home.

The next day she came to the apartment about 11.30 and we had a very good day. She went home for an hour in the evening but came so back to the apartment and we had also a wonderful night together.

All days were very good but Thursday the 8th of April, she asked for 300 Hryvnia (about 37.5 Dollars). I knew that she didn’t work the last 2 weeks before I came down to her because her company had sent all workers home. I gave her those 300 Hryvnia and very soon after we went to her bank where she put in the money on her bank account.

Saturday the 10th of April I went home very early in the morning and was sure about that everything was fine and we also already talked about meeting in the summer.

I didn’t talk to her about how many men she had sex with before or other of such questions because I found out about it was not so important for me anymore, because I was only looking forward.

9 days after I came home she so asked me for 200 Dollars. She wanted the money to get herself nice (solaria, cosmetic, perfume, clothes and such things). When I was down there she also every time she went home (about every day – but only for a short time) asked for 100 Hryvnia for taxi. I could understand that she didn’t want to go by bus 20.00 - 21.00 so I gave her the money.

Before our meeting I also told her that I of course could help her with some money so she could study English. She wanted this money immediately, but her English was okay and I wanted just to take it slowly and told her we could talk about that in the summer. I also told her that we in the summer could talk about I could start to support her and she so maybe could find a part time job, so she had the time to study English.

When I came down to her I gave her some presents - some nice clothes and such things, but not very expensive. She told me that after I came home that to show attention, she expected some kind of present like a jewelers or perfume for the good sex she gave me. When we went out on restaurants she just ordered what she wanted. It was also okay because I believe that when she had the chance to get what she wanted, yes so she should also have it.

I’m absolute not stingy, but of course I think about how many money I use. But I was really surprised because I know that good women from Ukraine (and Russia) normally not will ask for money on the first meeting and they normally want to take care of themselves. Of course they want and like support and I never told “my” woman that I wouldn’t help her. I told her if she needed help, yes so she could ask, but didn’t believe that she could ask for money for perfume and such things.

She live with her family (parents, son and sister) and I believe if she live like that, yes so she normally don’t have so much luxury in her normally life. She earns about 125 – 210 Dollars a month (depending about how much overtime she have).

Before I came down to her she told me that she of course would introduce me for her parents and son. But she didn’t and she told me that her parents were on visit at some family. She told me that her son was a little bit shy to meet me, so I never was invited to her home.

So now the relationship is stopped. I don’t know about I should turn her into a gold digger site, so other men from the west not will have the same experience like me. She’s a very nice woman and she can easily do the same again I believe, because she told that if I wouldn’t support her with money, yes so she had to find another man there would do it. So I believe I can say she’s a kind of spammer or ?????.

If somebody will come with comments, yes so I of course will read them with big interest.

For me this is a sad story, but I’ve told myself that I’ll try one more time with this Internet dating – maybe I’ll lucky to find the one and only I’m looking for.

“Spunk”

[Gylden]

Hi Spunk,

Sorry to say, but IMO she is not serious and you should just move on.
If I understood you correctly, you did have some uncertainties about her to begin with.
Also IMO you did the right thing to go there and find out, now you know.
Use your experiences to learn from for the next time.

My two cents (IMO) talk about supporting a woman during the first meeting can lead to missunderstandings.
 

[I/O]

Spunk: Put the emotions to one side and call it a deal, you got laid, she got paid, now it's time to move on. I wouldn't bother getting all vindictive about it. You won't stop others from meeting her anyway and maybe she'll find someone she really likes.

[Maniac999]

  Hello Spunk!
Thanks for sharing your story.
Your story is just a regular one on this board.
At least, you have seen a real woman, had some quality time with her, she helped you with accomodation ,visited sightseeings , without hiring a terp.
Now you want to send her info on ''gold diggers site''.
It could be very reasonable to  publish your info  in  ''Antidate'' site as a sex tourist.Correct?
You should remember the rule:
''There are no free launches in this life."

PS. Is bring  golden chain( ring) or some nice perfume from Duty Free shop at the airport a big deal for you???

[ECOCKS]

Interesting read. Sort of like an RWD short story to be added to the hundreds of others in the collective experience here.

I wouldn't bother with the anti-date thing, it really isn't productive and only feeds into what can become an obsessive preoccupation with this phase of your endeavor. It wastes a lot of time if you are not careful.

So, get back on the sites, screen honestly, make some contacts and try another round in the game. Maybe consider changing you expectations, discussion topics, stay away from money (run if they bring it up) and consider alternative strategies for your next trip. Perhaps WMVM would be better for you? Maybe having a well-established backup plan, longer stay and commitment to implement it faster (the backup plan) would work better for you?

Dating more than one during a 2-3 week period might give you a better comparison of the women and their personalities and character. Don't be afraid to try a little more variety in your choices (age, height, occupation, children, language skills, etc.). After all, there's nothing wrong with enjoying the chase/hunt as you look for someone who will be your partner for life (hopefully). Consider that perhaps the problem is within you. Maybe your desires are increasing the chances of finding the gold-diggers and passing on the solid, honest women better suited for a long-term relationship.

Assuming this story is reasonably true, you are far better off without this one and shouldn't let her clutter your thoughts and get in the way of your future.

[Gator]

Before our meeting I also told her that I of course could help her with some money so she could study English. .....I also told her that we in the summer could talk about I could start to support her and she so maybe could find a part time job, so she had the time to study English.

Who first mentioned "support?" 

If you, that was a big mistake because it suggests to her that you want to make this a "deal" as I/O correctly termed it.  The time to talk about partial support is when you are committed exclusively to each other with serious thoughts of marriage.

I don’t know about I should turn her into a gold digger site, so other men from the west not will have the same experience like me.

Don't.  In RW mentality, it is your fault, not hers, because you ALLOWED her to take money from you.

For me this is a sad story, but I’ve told myself that I’ll try one more time with this Internet dating – maybe I’ll lucky to find the one and only I’m looking for.

You should do much better next time if you have learned from this mistake.  Remember that there are thousands more just like her.

Spunk, what compelled you to meet this woman versus others you communicated with?  If it were the sex adventure, you will probably not find the woman of your dreams in the FSU.