Life Changes...Part Deux

[facetrock]

 Either she told the secret profile she was involved with you or you should have gave your email to the hot black haired chick at the airport.

[Jumper]

Either she told the secret profile she was involved with you, or you should have gave your email to the hot black haired chick at the airport.

Come on Facet!
with billy leaving cliff hanger like that , where's your imagination?
 
Maybe she told his secret profile, that  she was involved with a Hot raven haired Ukrainian chick..
and was using billy to come be with her in the US..


Actually my best guess is at the moment ,she told his secret profile she was madly in love with a certain man..
afterall puppy love / first love is often quite intense  
 

[Jumper]

I got kisses from A. Kisses from her mom and mom's friend on the lips are not unusual in the FSU if they feel close to you.

Billy,
You skipped right over the part of my post i stated i was joking with you?
 

[TomT]

There's a big difference between scammers writing kisses in a letter and me talking love, romance, and life with real people. Tom, read the thread some more. You are behind and catching up. You will find that the ladies aren't as bothered with what I write as you and other men are. I hope some of you guys are talking more than just the weather with your ladies.

Not to worry, Billy, I understand you very well and nothing that you have written in this thread falls too far from the tree.

[Lily]

Billy, what photos did you use for your secret profile, I am curious?

[BillyB]

Billy, what photos did you use for your secret profile, I am curious?

I used a minor celebrity. Decent above average looking guy and well dressed but not so well known.

Actually my best guess is at the moment ,she told his secret profile she was madly in love with a certain man..

AJ, you are wr.............................ight!

A replied that she's in love. A then asked my secret profile about his breakup and being the nice lady she is, she asked if he needed any advice.

Funny, when a woman hears about a man breaking up with another woman, she tends to think he needs sympathy. When us men hear about a woman breaking up with another man, we tend to think opportunity.

Because A's character is what I thought, I continued to speak to her weeks on the phone and her feelings for me never diminished and even got stronger. After some more time passed I told her that I want to start the k-1 and now after almost 4 months since my visit I have her signed documents in my hand and will send it out soon. When discussing how she will send her documents to me, I told her regular postal mail is slower and not as reliable. Express mail is better but much more expensive. I left it up to her on how she wants to send it. A left it up to her mom since her mom is paying for it. Mom decided to use DHL which costed $100 of her own money. That says a lot that mom likes me and is taking this process serious by using the cheaper, slower and a less reliable postal system.

In the next few posts I'll mention what A says and does during our time apart.

[Lily]

A replied that she's in love. 

Oh that's great news Billy! This is meaningful. Congratulations!

[TomT]

Billy,

The only way that things could have played out as you have described them, would be for A. to have had an active profile after she was in love with you. Obviously, this begs some inconvenient questions.

On a thread from the other forum, you insisted that I should post a fictitious profile and try to entrap some women. Would you like me to post a profile and see if I can entrap A.? Are the ethical problems with such a thing starting to sink in yet?

[BC]

For some reason Billy's saga here reminds me so much about another 'Guy' a while back.  Anyone else around get nagging feelings of parallelism with PG?  Quick trip, K1 paperwork in pocket, flying high, barely a kiss, no sex, parental dependence and huge threads on RWD filled with obsessive prose. Will be interesting to see how things develop..

I truly wish you no ill will Billy, but at this point even you should admit that Dev and Baba have you pegged right to the pin-board.  You may feel otherwise, but that's exactly what it looks like from the this side of the fence.

Boy I really wish jb was still hanging around.. he'd probably pop in and state that things are simply not adding up to what it should be and if you insist the numbers are there he'd tell you it added up to two words.. 'ur screwed'. 

Nine times out of ten.. maybe even 95 out of 100 he was right and those are the odds you are up against.

Do whatcha gotta do Billy but don't think you're in 'Manly' control of this situation.  My gut says they clearly have the upper hand and are making the decisions. My only suggestion to realize that finding a woman to sign the paperwork is waay too easy.  You're thinking fairy tales and it is simply too good to be true.

btw, I've heard so much from you about 'being a Man' that I almost barfed with your fake profile shenanigans. You really stooped low with that one in my book.  Way too low to call yourself a Man.  Can't recall even PG going that route so there may be some difference after all..

[tim 360]

For some reason Billy's saga here reminds me so much about another 'Guy' a while back.  Anyone else around get nagging feelings of parallelism with PG?  Quick trip, K1 paperwork in pocket, flying high, barely a kiss, no sex, parental dependence and huge threads on RWD filled with obsessive prose. Will be interesting to see how things develop..

Boy I really wish jb was still hanging around.. he'd probably pop in and state that things are simply not adding up to what it should be and if you insist the numbers are there he'd tell you it added up to two words.. 'ur screwed'. 

I don't know BC ?   I think JB would have been a bit less wishy-washy and more direct.  IIRC  ...and I doubt Billy would listen anyway.   

This is what Billy wants and as usual--the guy gets to pay for it.

[BillyB]

Oh that's great news Billy! This is meaningful. Congratulations!

Thank you Lily. People should take another note on why you're a classy person. You can make a simple sincere statement like that and not include a prediction of pain and doom in the same breath.

The only way that things could have played out as you have described them, would be for A. to have had an active profile after she was in love with you. Obviously, this begs some inconvenient questions.

Ask those inconveinient questions. Don't hold back. Here's the answer for you. A few weeks after A told my secret profile she's in love, she quit being active on the internet. I asked her why she's not answering my emails. She said we are talking on the phone, I don't need the internet anymore. I told her it's okay if she talks to her friends on the internet.

On a thread from the other forum, you insisted that I should post a fictitious profile and try to entrap some women. Would you like me to post a profile and see if I can entrap A.? Are the ethical problems with such a thing starting to sink in yet?

Refresh my memory on what that was about. I do remember you going to the FSU, meeting a woman, she saw you and turned around and walked away. Was she an agency girl? As far as ethical being important, why wasn't it important when you were talking about HRB/RLM. Lots of games played there.

Anyone else around get nagging feelings of parallelism with PG?

Trying to recruit people to join your bandwagon? PG and I are two very different men.

barely a kiss, no sex

Baiting me for some answers? I told everyone that I won't talk about everything in the trip but there are more things that happened that would shock you more than the talk I had with mom.

at this point even you should admit that Dev and Baba have you pegged right to the pin-board.  You may feel otherwise, but that's exactly what it looks like from the this side of the fence. My gut says they clearly have the upper hand and are making the decisions.

What have you been reading? Mom and A has pegged me? A has lots of men writing her. Her profile was listed in Europe. Mom tells me fellow doctors have asked her permission to marry her daughter. Lot's of men on the beach hit on her. Out of all the men she could choose from, she and her mom choose me? Yep, BillyB is the American man they decided to use and screw over. It took me many months to get A's phone number. I doubt she was jumping at the chance to hitch a ride to America with any guy. I took it as she was being cautious with men and wanted to choose wisely.

A and her mom cooked me many meals. They bought me many gifts and gave a pearl necklace to give to to my mom. They had opportunities to try to crack open my wallet and they didn't. I was introduced to lots of people in their life. This is their behavior towards me without any promises from me to marry or be in any kind of relationship with A. They were very good hostesses to me. This was said before but is there anything good an FSU woman can do without you thinking they are talking advantage of a man?

Boy I really wish jb was still hanging around.. he'd probably pop in and state that things are simply not adding up to what it should be and if you insist the numbers are there he'd tell you it added up to two words.. 'ur screwed'

Invite jb here if you value his opionion more than your own. Me thinks some of you are not happy with the results and the fact I can't be screwed. I'm a very happy man in a relationship and I'm a very happy man being single. To be able to forge your life and be happy wherever you go is a great thing. Try it. You won't be lonely and you cry less. Just because you can feel some kinds of pain doesn't mean I'll feel it.

My only suggestion to realize that finding a woman to sign the paperwork is waay too easy.

Earlier you were getting bored with the thread and asked me to get back to you when the paperwork is signed. You mentioned the signed paperwork as if it's getting real results. Now it's too easy for guys to get FSU women to marry them? I've never seen you say that before. Most men go to the FSU and come back empty handed. From my experience, most FSU women are not desperate and stoop to low levels to get married for reasons other than love. Your statement is an insult to FSU women, not me.

I've heard so much from you about 'being a Man' that I almost barfed with your fake profile shenanigans. You really stooped low with that one in my book.  

Months ago I mentioned I would test a lady I was in a relationship with and you didn't say a thing.

A week ago I posted that I did a test and you and Tom didn't say a thing. You both stayed quiet and waited for the results. If the results was A told men on the internet she's still single, people would have praised me for avoiding a disaster but....the result isn't what you both wanted to hear so now the insults come out? Why didn't you speak up before if you really felt that way? I continue to learn more about human behavior in this thread. I'm glad to learn you two are fine gentlemen with moral and ethical standards above the rest and would speak your mind in a moments notice on an issue of concern.

I remember a guy coming onto the forum saying he hired a private detection to see what his fiancee is doing in the FSU. He found out she had another boyfriend. Do you feel he's an unethical guy too? I don't feel bothered with what he did. He may have had a good reason. As long as a man and woman isn't insecure and tests their partner over and over with fake profiles, hiring detectives every month, or installing key loggers on the computer, I'm not bothered if they want to make sure their significant other isn't trying to use them. Make no mistake, your lady will test you. She may watch your eyes, she may have her friend hit on you. She may tell you she has no problem if you to go to the strip club.

This is what Billy wants and as usual--the guy gets to pay for it.

Is being married a burden? Is there a price to pay for it? Are there any benefits and rewards or should I stay single and reap the benefits and rewards of that?

A few weeks ago I read a bumper sticker that said "God sent me an angel and I married her". The guy driving the vehicle was certainly proud of his wife and advertised it. If a guy meets a fine woman, he would be dumb not to marry her. Tell me why A is not a fine woman?

[GQBlues]

Tell me why A is not a fine woman? 

...because she wears fishnet stockings during summer?    Think Joe Namath...

Just kidding you BillyB. I hope this all works out for you!

[Boethius]

You don't get it, Billy.  "Testing" a woman who you say will marry you is unethical.  "Testing" a woman you say you love proves you don't really love her, and you certainly don't trust her.  

Using a "minor celebrity" as bait is hardly a test, either.

[TomT]

Billy,

I asked if you would like me to create a fictitious profile and try to entrap A.


 

[pitbull]

For some reason Billy's saga here reminds me so much about another 'Guy' a while back.  Anyone else around get nagging feelings of parallelism with PG?  Quick trip, K1 paperwork in pocket, flying high, barely a kiss, no sex, parental dependence and huge threads on RWD filled with obsessive prose. Will be interesting to see how things develop..

Don't know about PG. BillyB's story reminds me a bit of the beginning of KenC and Lena's story from how KenC used to describe it.

I do believe that everything BillyB writes about is true, and he may very well marry A. There are some couples on this very forum that are waaay wackier than Billy and A. and yet they seem to be doing ok.

How long this lasts for BillyB is a totally different question though.  I think it 90% depends on how smart or stupid A. is. Hopefully she is not stupid enough to have babies right away and focus on being a perfect little Stepford wife for Billy, but will make something of herself in the US and get a useful degree at least.

Well, hopefully her Mom will look out for A's interests in this marriage as well.

[Ranetka]

Don't know about PG. BillyB's story reminds me a bit of the beginning of KenC and Lena's story from how KenC used to describe it.

I do believe that everything BillyB writes about is true, and he may very well marry A. There are some couples on this very forum that are waaay wackier than Billy and A. and yet they seem to be doing ok.

How long this lasts for BillyB is a totally different question though.  I think it 90% depends on how smart or stupid A. is. Hopefully she is not stupid enough to have babies right away and focus on being a perfect little Stepford wife for Billy, but will make something of herself in the US and get a useful degree at least.

Well, hopefully her Mom will look out for A's interests in this marriage as well.

100% agree.

[Jack]

"Testing" a woman who you say will marry you is unethical.  "

"Testing" a woman you say you love proves you don't really love her,

Boethius, are these statements from any quoted publications?   

Or are these your expressed opinions?

[Boethius]

There is a lot of this discussed in the philosophy of ethics, commencing with Nicomachean Ethics, up to Harry Frankfurt's "On Truth".  However, it is also my opinion.

It is common sense that if you have to "test" someone, you are engaged in manipulation, not love.

[Jack]

Very good, thank you Boethius.

BillyB as you have one expressed opinion, I will offer mine. 

I see nothing wrong with you or any man "testing" any woman who you think could be a possible wife.  Many men do so and with a clear conscious.

[Ade]

Very good, thank you Boethius.

BillyB as you have one expressed opinion, I will offer mine.  

I see nothing wrong with you or any man "testing" any woman who you think could be a possible wife.  Many men do so and with a clear conscious.

And the quality of one's conscience is somewhat related I guess.

Just my opinion of course...

[Turboguy]

I remember PG's story well and I have even met PG but nothing in Billys story reminds me of that story.  (by the way the K-1 was not done with "barely a kiss and no sex"  it was done with no kiss and no sex.  That was one of the things everyone got riled up about.

I can't say it reminds me of KenC and Lena either.  Perhaps more similarity than PG but no more than any other couple.  To me Billy's story is unique and I wish him the best however things play out.

As far as testing a woman.  Unless she gives you cause for concern I would see no reason to test her.  If she does give you cause for concern, it is probably better to run than to test her.   Usually if something seems wrong it is. 

[tim 360]

Trying to recruit people to join your bandwagon? PG and I are two very different men.


Is being married a burden? Is there a price to pay for it? Are there any benefits and rewards or should I stay single and reap the benefits and rewards of that?

A few weeks ago I read a bumper sticker that said "God sent me an angel and I married her". The guy driving the vehicle was certainly proud of his wife and advertised it. If a guy meets a fine woman, he would be dumb not to marry her. Tell me why A is not a fine woman?

Billy,  Where in the world did I type that A was not a fine girl/woman?  In fact, where did I type anything negative about A or you or your relationship?    Don't get all lathered up.

But now I will tell you a little something.  Being married to an 18/19 year old does have it's problems especially because of the difference in the stage of life you are each in.  Very different.  She's is still growing and the USA will have plenty of distractions once here.  But who knows?  Maybe things will work out.  My grandmothers each got married at 16. 

I wish you good luck. 

PG?  Billy is nothing like PG.  The later knew zero about the FSU or RW while Billy has been around.

[Daveman]

Billy,  Where in the world did I type that A was not a fine girl/woman?  In fact, where did I type anything negative about A or you or your relationship?    Don't get all lathered up.

But now I will tell you a little something.  Being married to an 18/19 year old does have it's problems especially because of the difference in the stage of life you are each in.  Very different.  She's is still growing and the USA will have plenty of distractions once here.  But who knows?  Maybe things will work out.  My grandmothers each got married at 16. 

I wish you good luck. 

PG?  Billy is nothing like PG.  The later knew zero about the FSU or RW while Billy has been around.

And this is my qualm about it as well.  Perhaps she will prove us all wrong. I do wish them the best.  The other thing that bothers me about it is the description of Mama's involvement in A's decision making process.  While having the MIL as an ally has been described as a wonderful asset at times, so much involvement just seems over the top.. kinda reminds me of Marie's involvement in the TV series "Everybody Love Raymond"...  It doesn't seem reasonable to me that she'll just drop and withdraw such control upon marriage which could possibly lead to massive headaches in the future.  Who knows? 

[I/O]

Billy: When children arrive, women know they are mothers whilst men assume they are fathers.

[TomT]

I think it 90% depends on how smart or stupid A. is. Hopefully she is not stupid enough to have babies right away...

Billy wrote that A. wasn't as sharp as he is.