Life Changes...Part Deux

[Faux Pas]

Because the powers-that-be who makes all the rules understands when old folks get drunk they start acting like teenagers. After all, why remind these 18 year olds what they've so eagerly and recently 'left behind' so soon.

Hey, look at it this way, they sure are 'old enough' to elect morons to DC offices to rule over you and me and everyone, no? So in the same sense, they're just as mature as any of us, no?

I know some 18 year olds that conduct themselves much more mature than some 30-40 years old that I know of, BillyB comes to mind here. When I was 18 I was sure I was a mature adult and Uncle Sam was too. It wasn't until a few years later I found out I wasn't. Using the legal age as an excuse is a fallacy. Since that time I have know very few 18 year olds with a mature mindset. In fact, I can't think of one.

C'mon FP.That's a farce and you know it. That argument is about as relevant as finding an attractive 80 year old you can drool over.

I was being as facetious as you were   But listen, one can admire the beauty of feminine young lasses and more mature ones without having to possess them, marry them or make love to them. One who doesn't find delight in admiring beauty really is missing out on life. Smelling life's roses doesn't mean one must have to poke a penis in it, ya know?

His GF is 18 and last I checked 18 is legal age even in the US. Your repeated citing of '17' does give light to your argument. I'd be huffing and puffing too if this gal is '17', but you know what, she ain't. 10 is 10 and 20 is 20 as 30 is 30...no matter how this site butter and sugar coat that reality, those numbers is as true today as they will be for years to follow.

Sure, NOW she's "legal". IMO, that makes her a legal sheltered child with little to no life's experiences. But, not to worry. Swashbuckling BillyB to the rescue. He'll give her some of his life's experiences. One in particular. Sorry, I still find it reprehensible. 5 years ago I was probably younger than Billy is now and sent my youngest daughter off to college. I have an idea.

This, I will agree. "Gag-me-with-a-spoon, finger-in-the-throat" kinda thing...but that's the 'new and improved' BillyB. Maybe the earthmoving business is slower up north compared to down here in my paradise.

I was on the edge waiting to see if he'll ever pacify the audience and blurt out what he named the famed femme-tamer. "Hubert, the Great!" Maybe "Pancho, the Love-Enchilada!" or a more humbled "FAH Q". How'bout "The FONZ" ?

I would not be surprised to find Billy wearing robes and chanting in the airport. Dude is seriously gulping down his own kool-aid. I suppose it is his kool-aid.

Right now I'm leaning to be more indifferent than not simply because I really don't know him personally, or what he's capable of - realistically. On the onset of this thread, some of the things BillyB were spewing were over-the-top for me simply because I know the game, played it hundreds/thousands of time. He was posting 'real-time' stories on the very same days he would post these long drivels. Even now, I am not convinced many of his storylines are true to life documentaries. But hey guess what, whether it's reality or fantasy, when all is said and done either or both are all his to own up to.

Despite everything I do wish Billy all the success in the world. He deserves it. History and experience dictates that it isn't going to happen on this path. I tend to lean in that direction. It's just my opinion but, I am beginning to picture Billy as much of a chump as we see on the forums all to often. I'm not bothered by his choices, I am not bothered by Billy at all. I do feel someone needs to hold a mirror to him and at least give him a fighting chance. If that makes me the heavy *shrugs* such is life

I'm still for the Mexican though as I still prefer menudo over borscht. BTW, is she still in the running to get love from BillyB and The FONZ?

Fat Elvis?  

For the 2 cents it cost me to buy a seat in this venue, sure! Why not? Because when you really think about it, FP - that's the cost for cheap entertainment. It bears very little in our respective lives. Take a last sip from the pop, toss out the popcorn cup and depart into the night.

Well, she was 18 once in her life that's for sure...and 'no' I didn't propose on the first trip. My heart was locked up, chained-up in my bedroom, under the bed when I left for Russia. I did bring condoms though, does that count?

Do you find much in common with his path and the one you chose?

But I've said this to you before already, FP. Yeah, I'm surprised at some of the things BillyB is posting lately for no other reason than they seem to be opposite of what I thought I knew of him. But guess what? It didn't take long to realize I don't really KNOW him, you know. I think neither do you unless I'm mistaken (?).

Me, I was shocked. Early in this thread I sent Billy a PM basically, (paraphrasing) "Say it ain't so Billy". So I suppose it is yet another example of on the net we can be anyone we choose to. I have no idea who the real Billy is.

[Jumper]

BillyB-
 I'm glad they made it out safely.

That can be pretty trying times
(i've actually been in that scenario before, was a young kid at the time, still remember mobs overturning and burning cars, and a  military flight out a 2am  pretty vividly,not likely to ever forget it)

Glad you can help them get back on their feet.It's a shame they had to leave all behind!

but a few positives!!?
they DID get out unharmed,
and
 since you did already plan a life together, now you can visit unrestricted.


The points i have brought up in the thread about her young (legal)age, meaning little to no adult life experience,
 and little face time, i still believe to be relevant to any wishing to follow your path,and it's been beaten to death.



One thing I feel you shouldnt gloat about is *getting your way*.
Being confident is a good thing billy, I certainly understand that, likely as well or better than yourself.
However being over condfident to the point of cocky is quite another.

You happen to likely be going through one of the easier  consulates for K1 approval.
I doubt you will have any trouble! and i hope you don't.

but consider in your bold statements that if you and A were going thru some of the other consulates
in the world,  known to routinely deny such cases, your bravado, legal council, ansd senator likely couldnt do a whole lot for you, or "get your way"
 
so maybe a little less boasting on unknown future outcomes,I'm sure they will be fine!
 but just a tad bit of  respect might be in order for those with legit relationships turned down in other consulates around the world?

After all you have just went thru an experience that could have turned out far far differently,
with *A * stuck in Libya an indiffinant amount of time , or harmed ,or lost all contact with you..

and not a dang thing your senator ,or your calm mature words with a libyan officials ,
could do to get *your way* , or to protect *A*.
A little modesty in the face of that reality, wouldn't hurt.


I always did wish you luck, still do.

[I/O]

If my baby daughter (and her mother) had been caught in Libya, I'd have been frantic too so I can empathise to some extent with Billy's plight recently.

[Jumper]

GQ-

I hear you,
finished my popcorn and headed out.

Billy thinking that anyone that doesnt agree,or gives him some flack for his choices,
 is somehow unsure of themselves , not happy in life, or overly concerned with his biznus...
 is just a tad funny in the context of him posting it as some kind of educational material or guidence
 on a INtroNut forum.


If I  have time to comment, i do so! That participation  , his reaction , as well as other members posts and thoughts, is  just part of the  entertainment.
 

[GoodOlBoy]

If my baby daughter (and her mother) had been caught in Libya, I'd have been frantic too so I can empathise to some extent with Billy's plight recently.

No offense I/O but BillyB wouldn't even be "frantic" , if he wasn't chasing underage teenage girls on the internet.

GOB

[I/O]

GOB: You missed the point.

[SteveOR]

those of you who have been ridiculing Bill during a very dangerous crisis, when he did not know if his fiance and her mother were safe, injured or worse; have taken internet bullying to a new low.  I have seen it on other forums, but never to this low level.  whether you agree with it or not, Billy and his fiance are both of LEGAL and CONSENTING age, so get over it.  and you should hope and pray that you never have to go through a crisis, where your loved ones are in harms way; the internet and phone service are shut off, AND you have to deal with untimely and inappropriate criticism at the same time.

I agree.

Whether you think Billy is right, wrong or off his nut, people that he cares about were seriously in harms way and are lucky that all they lost were possessions.

Real men don't bash each other in situations like this.

[GoodOlBoy]

Real men don't bash each other in situations like this.

This whole "situation" on RWD is propogated by a degenerate.

GOB

[GoodOlBoy]

the age of consent in some states is only 16; so what do you do about that??...

Yeah, I guess LT (Lawrence Taylor/now registered SEX-OFFENDER) learned his lesson about the numbers!

http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/news/story?id=6018722

GOB

[BC]

Yeah, I guess LT (Lawrence Taylor/now registered SEX-OFFENDER) learned his lesson about the numbers!

http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/news/story?id=6018722

GOB

This whole "situation" on RWD is propogated by a degenerate.

GOB

No offense I/O but BillyB wouldn't even be "frantic" , if he wasn't chasing underage teenage girls on the internet.

GOB

GOB,

Really, I think you are going a bit overboard with all this underage stuff.

It may irk you to know that if I really wanted to I could go out today and legally spend the night with a 14 year old.  In Spain with a 12 year old.

Berlusconi (72 or is it 73?), often touted in the west as being in trouble with an 'underage' girl of 17 is not because it is illegal to do so, but it is illegal here to have sex with someone under 18 in exchange for payment or other tangibles. If he finds some 15 yr old that willingly and for nothing lands in his bed then no prosecutor would touch the case.  It's all about whether or not he paid for it, somehow.

I am a father of a teenage girl and it would run against my grain if she showed up with a middle aged man.. but there ain't a darned thing I could do about it aside from huff and puff.

As far as BillyB goes, I think he's waaay too wound up in this girl and her mother, but that's his choice (or hormonal drive) and the rose colored glasses ain't helping at all.  I am in a 17/18 year age difference marriage and would not suggest anyone try the same.  Has nothing to do with whether or not our almost 10 year relationship will survive or not.  Has more to do with whether or not, with the experience I have personally acquired in such a relationship, if would I marry again with a large age difference?... (when we met 43/27)

I would not.  At 43 and single would I have thought about an 18 yr old for anything more than a quickie? I highly doubt it, but do admit that hormones are tough to control in such circumstances.

I do think BillyB has a steep, uphill relationship battle that neither he nor she can see at this time.  I am rather confident though that they will learn this rather quickly.  Of all the roads in this venture he's picking the roughest one with the most potholes ahead.  I think that's the 'jist' of what most express here.

.. and I'll leave it at that, but do suggest you back off a good bit to a respectable, and tolerable distance.

[GoodOlBoy]

.... (when we met 43/27)

JMO BC, but nothing wrong with your numbers.
A 27 year old woman knows exactly what she is getting into.

But a 17 year old girl contacted by a 40+ something year old man on the internet is a different story.

.. and I'll leave it at that, but do suggest you back off a good bit to a respectable, and tolerable distance.

I agree.
I'm outta' here.

GOB

[BillyB]

A reports that she is still in Kiev and will leave for Ivano Frankivsk tomorrow. She has an aunt and uncle in Kiev but most of her relatives are in IF. Mom also has 2 pieces of property over there, one being rented and the other is still unfinished still getting remodeled. A and mom have lots of good family that will help them get back on their feet but I will do what I can too.

There's $800 I sent A still has not picked up yet but it should be enough for her and mom to buy some clothes, food and important items to make their lives a little more comfortable for now. I haven't talked to A about all the details of what happened in Libya or how the Ukrainian government handled the situation in her opinion and probably won't talk to her for a while about them since she has a lot on her mind now. All we're talking about now is words of affection , and when to meet after she gets situated.

Unfortunately not every foreigner could get out of Tripoli. A few days before problems happened in Libya, mom's Ukrainian friend had just visited her and went back home to another Libyan city. She worked as a nurse in smaller city away from Tripoli. As fast as the evacuation happened and small window of opportunity to catch a ride out of Libya, I can't imaging mom's friend or other foreign workers being able to get back to Tripoli fast enough to catch the ride home. A and mom lived in Tripoli and barely made it to the airport and still had to push their way through thousands of people to catch their ride. I don't think there was even enough available planes for the people at the airport. Civilian aircraft companies canceled their flights to Libya so it was up to the militaries of every county to pick up their own citizens.

As soon as I find out more details and what happened to the pussy, I will let you all know.


I want to apologize to our Englishmen here. Last post I said A has a good grasp of the American language when the fact is you guys invented it. But be careful, lately we have been inventing more words than you so things could change.

BillyB, I would NEVER and I mean NEVER find myself in your "situation" .

GOB, we already know you won't do that. Don't have to repeat yourself. We know you're worried about what rude people will say to you if you'd associate with a young lady.

On the onset of this thread, some of the things BillyB were spewing were over-the-top for me simply because I know the game, played it hundreds/thousands of time.

Your game is going to attract different ladies than mine. Your way isn't the only way that works to attract ladies. Your methods, timing isn't the only right way. Did you see that link BC posted in another thread that showed a man married to 39 women? Maybe he's handsome, rich, got a great character, or personality. He is successful with the ladies in his own way. For every guy like him, there's likely 38 grumpy pissed off single men scratching their heads on why they aren't so successful with ladies.

Yeah, I'm surprised at some of the things BillyB is posting lately for no other reason than they seem to be opposite of what I thought I knew of him.

What is different about me? I'm still the nice, polite, gentleman that ladies could respect. A woman could feel comfortable, loved and protected by a guy like me. That is the message all men reading this thread should convey to the ladies without having to say it in words.

While you guys have learned something about me, we have all learned something about each other. I've learned moral superior people download other people's photos and play with them. I also learned the morally superior will repeat themselves over and over until they're heard. If that doesn't work, they change tactics by repeatedly yelling louder.

People only need to say they don't approve once and people are smart enough to figure out their position on this matter. Others are indifferent and others are okay with my choices. A, I, and mom are all okay with it. Out of the many, many men who have written A or approached her in real life, A feels I'm the gentleman she can build a life with. She proved to me that she embraces my views on what a husband and wife's roles are in a marriage. Mom has read my communications between A and I twice now. There's nothing inappropriate so relax. There are hookers on the street dealing with a lot worse men than I so go rescue those women. The fact some guys can lump me in with those men show how much their brain has expired.

those of you who have been ridiculing Bill during a very dangerous crisis, when he did not know if his fiance and her mother were safe, injured or worse; have taken internet bullying to a new low.  I have seen it on other forums, but never to this low level.  whether you agree with it or not, Billy and his fiance are both of LEGAL and CONSENTING age, so get over it.  and you should hope and pray that you never have to go through a crisis, where your loved ones are in harms way; the internet and phone service are shut off, AND you have to deal with untimely and inappropriate criticism at the same time.

Thank you Rubicon and others who have chosen to take the gentleman's path and put away the fighting words at this time. I actually don't mind the extra yelling in the background. Those that are screaming have no idea on what they are doing to themselves. I'm used to tougher guys anyway. I work in construction and over half my crew have been in jail at least once in their lives but they don't give me any flak. One reason is probably because they aren't sitting behind the safety of their computer.

I know some 18 year olds that conduct themselves much more mature than some 30-40 years old that I know of,
 

Funny that you should say that since you been screaming more than any young person or lady I've ever encountered.

I'm not bothered by his choices, I am not bothered by Billy at all.

Faux, you've spent countless hours and even days of your life reading and posting in this thread. I'd hate to something that actually bothered you. I don't know if RWD has enough bandwith for what you'd have to say. Don't be in massive denial. My choices has bothered you. Everyone but you can see it. As blind as you are now about yourself, you shouldn't be qualified to give advice to anyone.

One thing I feel you shouldnt gloat about is *getting your way*.
Being confident is a good thing billy, I certainly understand that, likely as well or better than yourself.
However being over condfident to the point of cocky is quite another.

AJ, so what do you suggest? Give up? Roll over and die if the consular officer doesn't pass A? You need to remember your politicians work for you and if a consular officer simply doesn't pass A just because he/she doesn't believe my relationship with her is legit, he/she can get an attitude adjustment to get it right on the next interview. With an attorney and politicians to back me, he will quickly understand you don't get between a man and the woman he loves unless the man has a defeatist attitude. A k-3 is another option but would take longer to get results than to reschedule another interview so the consular officer could redeem himself.

My father was denied permission by his commander to marry my mom when he met her in the Vietnam War. He wrote President LBJ and got results. If he didn't write President LBJ, I would not be here to bring you guys hell today.

Billy thinking that anyone that doesnt agree,or gives him some flack for his choices,
 is somehow unsure of themselves , not happy in life, or overly concerned with his biznus...
 is just a tad funny in the context of him posting it as some kind of educational material or guidence
 on a INtroNut forum.

AJ, you don't get it. Grumpy old married men are the only ones making the most noise riding my azz until they are satisfied that everyone is listening to them. while the ladies aren't much affected by what I say. The ladies know it's their right to choose the best man that will take care of their lives and family regardless of a number so they understand what A is going through. Change your attitude and “get it”. If you keep defending the screamers for their behavior, the ladies will start to question what is in your head.

Let me ask you a question. Although some people protested the amount of ladies I've dated when I started this thread, it peaked your interest and you asked me the websites where I've been finding all those ladies. I gave you the answer. Are you having the same results as I? Are you getting local ladies to date you and finding high quality women overseas? I doubt it because you're one of the guys throughout this thread that think what is happening in my life is too good to be true so it isn't true because it ain't happening to you. What is happening in my life can happen to you or any guy if you wake up and make an attitude adjustment. You will be able to date doctors, engineers, business owners and even the unemployed ladies. Make yourself more attractive and you will have given yourself better choices in life. Don't be like one of those ladies who let their physical appearance and manners degenerate and wonder why men aren't flocking to them.

As far as BillyB goes, I think he's waaay too wound up in this girl and her mother, but that's his choice (or hormonal drive) and the rose colored glasses ain't helping at all.  I am in a 17/18 year age difference marriage and would not suggest anyone try the same.  Has nothing to do with whether or not our almost 10 year relationship will survive or not.  Has more to do with whether or not, with the experience I have personally acquired in such a relationship, if would I marry again with a large age difference?... (when we met 43/27)

I do think BillyB has a steep, uphill relationship battle that neither he nor she can see at this time.  I am rather confident though that they will learn this rather quickly.  Of all the roads in this venture he's picking the roughest one with the most potholes ahead.  I think that's the 'jist' of what most express here.

I know some of you think I'm naive and have rose colored glasses on because you have experience. BC, you have ONE experience. That is YOUR experience. You are one of the married members here that rarely praises your wife. If by chance you are having a rough time in your marriage, age gap is NOT the reason and should not be the excuse you use and you should not predict doom for everyone who is in a large age gap relationship. TG and VWRW have a 30+ yo age gap and they both come here and post praises of each other. They post happy. That is what most single men want here. Not necessarily a relationship with a big age gap but a happy marriage.

Most failed relationships happen because one or both individuals have some major flaws. You don't have to look far for some flaws. Right here in this thread we have 50 yo screaming males(someone help those ladies). I haven't received any screaming in 6 years of dating/relationships RW. A is the youngest of the ladies I've dated and I've known her over a year. A and most RW would be insulted if a man said don't approve on an issue more than once. It's childish immature behavior. If I acted as immature as those men, I will be lonely for a long time coming. They may be married but if anyone notices, those men don't praise their wife much either.

A young woman flaws could be that she doesn't know how to manage money and spends too much or she is immature shouting and pouting over everything she doesn't like or when she doesn't get her way. Age is not to blame but the individual is. If that is happening in your marriage, then you should have gotten to know your wife better instead of ignoring the red flags.

A and my ex fiancee where raised by their mother to be “ladies”. They embraced those teachings and thus both are fine ladies today. I never got into an argument with either of them. They are not selfish or screamers. They do not demand a lot but to have a simple happy normal family in their lives. Those are their words. They also have the philosophy to save money for a raining day. I like their mentality. I can go on with a lot more praises but simply put, those girls are wife material. They are the  marriage material which every marriage minded person should be looking for. Individual characteristics overshadow age issues. Good people make good things happen.

I'm not naive, I DO understand the problems you and other men are going through regardless of age gap. A is a lot different than most women. She doesn't use bad language, respects people, greatly values family, not a screamer, and has good manners. If she proves not to have those characteristics when she comes to America....well, you guys know how fast I can drop a woman. I will not remain in a lousy marriage based off a lie and come back to this forum to tell people they are going to feel the same pain that you're feeling and blame my woes on age gap or it's all a young woman's fault for my poor marriage.

At 43 and single would I have thought about an 18 yr old for anything more than a quickie? I highly doubt it, but do admit that hormones are tough to control in such circumstances.
 

BC,  you got more guts than most saying that after reading how some people react to middle age men  partnering up with young ladies. The truth there are many single lonely men who'll consider an 18 for a minimum of a quickie. I did not go to Ukraine for a quickie with A. I looked at her as a human, not a piece of meat, and to learn if she was “wife material”. I see by GoodOleBoy's last post he had nothing insulting to say to you. After I mopped the floor with him, I think he's too tired to take on you so he retired. Besides, he's losing friends fast. Let's see Faux Pas will be an equal opportunity insulter with you as he have been with me or spin it to show your willingness to have a quickie with an 18 yo is honorable and different than my immoral choices to take an 18 yo as a wife.

My wife attributed this at least to the people she knows where she grew up, and it's why I qualified what I said with that it may be common in her area.
 

SJ, I forgot to answer your comment in my last post so I'll do it here. I doubt “in her area” Libyan phone etiquette requires a person to remain on the phone as long as the one who initiated the call is talking. Although A says the average Libyan is more polite to her than the average Ukrainian, she has been insulted before and Libyans can be very rude. Young Libyan men often make cat calls to her as she walks down the street so embracing good manners in that culture is an individual choice as is most cultures.

When A was getting her passport photo done for the k-1, the shop owner talked to her as if she was stupid and laughed at her for asking him to make the passport photo the size 51mm X 51mm which is American standards. He told her he's been in business all his life and never heard of a passport photo that size. He told A the passport size I'm asking for can't be done. A then questioned me if I was playing a game with her and if I was even doing the k-1. I sent her a US government link for her to read passport photo requirements and told her to send me the passport photo and I made her shoulders and a bigger background with a program on my computer to alter digital photos. Not nowhere near as good as photoshop but done the job. I sent the photo back to A and jokingly told her to go to that guy who's done photos it all his life show him what a first timer(me) can do.

Anyway, I slept good last night and  A and my major problems are over so if any of you got something to get off your chest, even if it's fighting words, say your piece. Just remember that you are opening yourself up to cross examination and the truth can hurt.

The ladies have disappeared from this thread. Probably a good thing with all the testosterone laced smoke in the air. It's wise that they stand back during this brawl since a few guys have already got their e-feelings hurt. I'll try to post something fun in my next post to bring the ladies back.

[pitbull]

Billy,

How tall is A? Looks like she has an excellent body, maybe she could work as a model in the US. Good age for this too.

[Faux Pas]

Funny that you should say that since you been screaming more than any young person or lady I've ever encountered.

Screaming Billy? Not even close, it's laughing. This thread has nothing more left but intrinsic Jerry Springer value. Hare krishna and hallelujah Billy. It's obvious you are too far gone but hopefully some newbies will see the absurdities in this bullsh!t and bravado your posting and at least give the thread a shred of educational value.

Faux, you've spent countless hours and even days of your life reading and posting in this thread. I'd hate to something that actually bothered you. I don't know if RWD has enough bandwith for what you'd have to say. Don't be in massive denial. My choices has bothered you. Everyone but you can see it. As blind as you are now about yourself, you shouldn't be qualified to give advice to anyone.

You give yourself entirely too much credit Billy. It's called narcissism. This thread is just like countless other threads. I read it, post or not and move on. Face it Billy, you are just not that special. Your choices don't bother me. There is nothing you can do that will bother me. I can see there is nothing to stop you and a train wreck destiny. I only thing I have left for you Billy is sympathy 

[Maxx2]

For what it's worth my youngest sister was 16 when she married and 31 years later they are still together.

I am glad to hear they made it out safe. This sure will be an experience for A to remember all her life.

 

[BC]

I know some of you think I'm naive and have rose colored glasses on because you have experience. BC, you have ONE experience. That is YOUR experience. You are one of the married members here that rarely praises your wife.

Just because I don't participate in the 'show and tell' or what I describe as 'relationship exhibitionism' you shouldn't read too awful much into it. Marriages will have highs and lows, that's quite normal.  I can state though that in comparison to other LTR's there are quite a few hurdles with intercultural/international long distance relationships that can be underestimated in the beginning.  It takes a lot of work and patience to keep things in order.  At the same stage in our relationship, my mental state was somewhat similar to yours, yes even a bit naive.  Yes, it is my one experience, but that experience is amplified by quite a few others that have walked the path.  Unlike you, I tend to expect the worst and make the best out of it, keeping expectations in check.  OTOH it seems from your posts that your expectations are way too high.  You've hit the mother lode of RW, convinced that the rest of your life together will be bliss, or if not that you will have the power (manly man) to control whatever happens.  I hope things work out your way, but do check back in a few years and compare notes.

BC,  you got more guts than most saying that after reading how some people react to middle age men  partnering up with young ladies. The truth there are many single lonely men who'll consider an 18 for a minimum of a quickie.

My intent was to try and disarm a bit of this topic that was clearly going nowhere, but at the same time being realistic about the weakness of men when a young woman plops down in his lap.  The 'Power of the Bush' is quite effective and rears it's head quite often here, even with the most manly men.

btw.. If my fiancee had gone through the same as yours, my butt would be sitting in an airline seat, no matter what she said, instead of at a WU counter forking over some cash.  You really should have greeted her and FMIL in Kiev with a warm coat and taxi.  Flight time would have been less than posting time on RWD.

[GQBlues]

...btw.. If my fiancee had gone through the same as yours, my butt would be sitting in an airline seat, no matter what she said, instead of at a WU counter forking over some cash.  You really should have greeted her and FMIL in Kiev with a warm coat and taxi.  Flight time would have been less than posting time on RWD.

Yeppers   . As a matter of fact, the first thought that came to mind with me was thinking he was IN Libya making sure things were going smoothly. I would have walked the talk as well at the very least but like what BillyB said upthread, we do have our method and differences. He's right so it's all good...

[Maxx2]

btw.. If my fiancee had gone through the same as yours, my butt would be sitting in an airline seat, no matter what she said, instead of at a WU counter forking over some cash.  You really should have greeted her and FMIL in Kiev with a warm coat and taxi.  Flight time would have been less than posting time on RWD.

That would be nice gesture but it would have cost a bunch of money and ate up some of Billy's allotted time off from his work. Practicality takes precedence over gesture.

Over the years I have become a magnet for Americans (others too) who have had difficulties with their wives and husbands. I have noticed the usual condition for these breakups isn't huge age differences. In fact most of the troubles are with wives/husbands close to their own age.  Also I have noticed real young wives (don't know of any husbands that were real young) do not pull the GCG route. I do not know of one case of this in the last eight years of me being involved in this. Most of the April-August marriages I have noticed last a number of years or are still going strong. Perhaps this is because the young wives carry little baggage into their marriages with preconceived notions on what to expect out of their spouse? Most of the problems I noticed come from guys being knuckleheads and insecure leading to jealousy and being controlling. Always on the lookout, checking her computer, phone and purse.

Several months ago I met an Ukrainian woman who really sent my heart soaring. I hadn't felt like that in years. I was rather shocked to find out she had a 21 year old son and she was around 40 as she looked so much younger. Long story short she was over here on a K-1 visa and found out her 60 year old fiance was a control freak. I met the guy and her at a party. He gave me his card. On it was the logo from the Department of Homeland Security and beneath it saying "I.C.E. Agent, retired". He seemed rather stiff like many are in law enforcement. She lasted about two weeks before she left him and went to stay with the people I was staying with. I witnessed a bunch of controlling behavior from him toward her. There were phone calls coming in at 4 AM and all through out the day. He was even ordering the people around whom she was staying with. "You must do this, you must do that". Her in tears and in long conversations with her host on what she should do. I sat back and watched all this. I got to know her a bit and all I can say the guy sure blew it. 

[I/O]

You really should have greeted her and FMIL in Kiev with a warm coat and taxi.

I agree, if one could afford the ticket. 

How tall is A? Looks like she has an excellent body, maybe she could work as a model in the US.

P/B: If your comment is serious, no. Although the young lady in the photos Billy posted is an attractive young lady, she is not "model" equipped.

[pitbull]

I agree, if one could afford the ticket. 
P/B: If your comment is serious, no. Although the young lady in the photos Billy posted is an attractive young lady, she is not "model" equipped.

I/O, yes. If she is 175-180 cm or higher, she is perfectly "model" equipped.

[Lily]

The ladies have disappeared from this thread. Probably a good thing with all the testosterone laced smoke in the air. It's wise that they stand back during this brawl since a few guys have already got their e-feelings hurt. I'll try to post something fun in my next post to bring the ladies back.

Well, as for me, I read the thread, but just don't feel that I could meaningfully contribute to it at this point. So far so good, at least how Billy describe it, and in absence of A's own voice.

And of course, I admire A's photos  thanks for posting them Billy.

I would be curious to know how the things will be progressing when A will be in the US in her status as Billy's wife.

[Jumper]

Billy, you are amusing enough in current form

to try and answer you
1. I never suggested a defeatist attitude.ever.
I merely suggested a little humility in the face of your complete helplessness a few days ago might do you good. Nothing you ,your seantor , or super manly man could have done would change the results.Your RW did NOT really listen to you.. and  you all got lucky and only by a few hours.

I specifically stated you would likely not have any trouble at a K1 interview at the consulate you are going through, but you should be thankful of that, not cocky.

2.I did not defend *screamers* ?
I posted that while you couldn't be sure of her safety or outcome , that it  was a poor time for those type of comments.

3.I have never said whats happening in your life is too good to be true,I just find your chioices odd.
It's my opinion, and i stated my reasons for it.
It's just an opinion ,it means nothing in your life

As far as your  questions to me:
 Why do you ask? The question isn't that you are interested in my personal life ,
its  based on some twisted premise that  my thoughts on your relationship advise and situation,
 is based on my unhappiness or lack of choices.
The premise itself is flawed... I may have the same opinions on your thoughts and actions , regardless if i am happy or sad , successful or unsuccessful.
 You understandably have no idea the range of my choices.It has no bearing in my posts to you,
 but they have always been extensive and its  doubtful you could even imagine.
Like yourself, whatever I'm doing is working just fine for me billy.
I believe anyone has room for improvement, and certainly strive for that,but mostly i have just come to appreciate what is of real value in my life.


 I seriously doubt posters  e-feelings are hurt?
Some will bother to post their thoughts ,others wont even bother.
That's far closer to reality than your current delusions on the motivations of others.


I like your story billy, its entertaining and I wish you luck.
It's a forum ,so if you toss things out here, I  will also sometimes state my opinions on your various relationship advice or situations.
To read anything more into my motivations is sillyness on your part at best.

[BC]

I know some of you think I'm naive and have rose colored glasses on because you have experience. BC, you have ONE experience. That is YOUR experience.

Oh.. btw, I almost forgot..

With a few exceptions, almost all of my long term relationships were with foreign women.  In fact I guess even as a MOH, mail order husband since I met foreign women and lived with them in their country.  Different culture, different languages etc etc. Even benefited from EU 'green card' equivalents.  But yes, one only RW.

You do seem to claim some 'exceptional' status, that your situation is so totally different than others that the 'rules' or maybe better stated 'consensus of experience' does not apply or even remotely relate.  If so, that's great, but does beg for a question.. why post it all if your path is so unique and there is only one worthy manly man on this planet?

What should I and others learn from your experience?

[Turboguy]

First off, I like A's photos.  They are great.  I probably have less of a problem with her age and the age difference than some of the others seem to.  Of course it wouldn't be fitting at all for me to have negative feelings about the age difference part.

As far as her very young age I keep thinking back to my high school reunions.  One of the things that surprised me were how many of the people I graduated with that married someone from the same home room.  I would guess there were 25 or more marriages that were mostly the same home room or at least the same graduating class.  These were people who dated when they were 15 or so and married at 17 or 18.  Out of all these a few have had their spouse die but I am not aware of a single divorce.  Pretty amazing actually.   I am not as pesimistic as some of the others about what problems her young age might cause.  I am sure if it works out we will hear a lot about it.  If it doesn't I hope you can also come back and tell us about it as it may help others.  I am glad to hear she was able to leave and hopefully the problems there will have a good ending. 

[Gator]

Yeppers   . As a matter of fact, the first thought that came to mind with me was thinking he was IN Libya making sure things were going smoothly.

Do you understand the situation there?  Enter Libya as a US citizen?  I suppose  he could have flown to Niger or Chad, forged a passport, obtained a yellow hat and entered Libya as a mercernary to help Ghaddafi.