Life Changes...Part Deux

[Misha]

So yes, for me...I absolutely abhor a submissive woman. It screams helplessness...and my role in it isn't such an admirable position either.

But that's just me...  

+1

[Seeker]

So you assume that a woman makes bad or fatal decisions 10% of the time, whereas YOU make good and safe decisions 100% of the time?    And based on this assumption, you want to reserve the "final say" in any matter deserving of your special attention?

I think we all assume this.  The only difference I would offer is that (at best) we are all wrong 10% of the time.  And that is on a good day. 

That is why I want someone that is an equal.  If I really thought that I was always right, do you think I would be here?  I would own you all.   

[SMS60]

So yes, for me...I absolutely abhor a submissive woman. It screams helplessness...and my role in it isn't such an admirable position either.

But that's just me...  

I have this horrible image in my head from the past. I was at an outdoor event and saw this couple meandering along. This woman was just railing towards this sheepish looking man. His arms were full of bags and what nots and looked as though he was beat down to nothing. His spirit was broken. But the lady kept barking orders and making demands. He walked like a hunch back but kept up with the wailing woman. He was trying to make her proud. What a man.

Oh,Oh,Oh,oh, hold it my mind was drifting....my apologies.......back to the subject....yes we are different.....there are followers and leaders.

[Seeker]

I have this horrible image in my head from the past. I was at an outdoor event and saw this couple meandering along. This woman was just railing towards this sheepish looking man. His arms were full of bags and what nots and looked as though he was beat down to nothing. His spirit was broken. But the lady kept barking orders and making demands. He walked like a hunch back but kept up with the wailing woman. He was trying to make her proud. What a man.

Oh,Oh,Oh,oh, hold it my mind was drifting....my apologies.......back to the subject....yes we are different.....there are followers and leaders.

And there are people that prefer to do neither.  My back is years from hunching, and I am far from sheepish.  I don't want to follow or lead.  I see it more as a group thing.  Maybe I am just lazy, but I want to be with someone that has her own mind.  Not to suppress mine, but to compliment it.

I don't want to be followed, nor do I want to follow.  I am too old for either of those rolls.

[Misha]

Oh,Oh,Oh,oh, hold it my mind was drifting....my apologies.......back to the subject....yes we are different.....there are followers and leaders.

True leaders lead by example and trust others to make decisions 

[Doll]

You should reread Doll's posts. Throughout her time here, Doll have talked about a few less than desirable things in her relationship with her husband. She gave me the impression she's not in entirely ideal relationship. Maybe there's a neverending battle for equality happening? Until she finds happiness I'm not sure a relationship of equals is the answer she's looking for.

Doll didn't post about herself, Doll knows RW  
The model you're looking for is an exception, Billy.  The chances to find this type of RW here, in the States are slim to nothing.
I am sure you met women who wanted to be "submissive". RW are anything but not  submissive. AW are angels compared to RW.

[Doll]

True leaders lead by example and trust others to make decisions 

+1000

[SMS60]

True leaders lead by example and trust others to make decisions 

Yes that's what I said there are leaders and followers.

[GQBlues]

GQ, If you are happy with your wife's personality, individuality and how she treats you, great. I hope that is the reason you married her so why would you or anybody want to change anything?

And likewise Billy, may you find that what you seek. 

I have this horrible image in my head from the past.

LOL. So women scare you phsythless...what else would you like to share with us? 

[Misha]

Yes that's what I said there are leaders and followers.

Let me guess, you consider yourself a leader 

[Misha]

Women tend to marry a man that they don't have to teach and babysit so most likely the man should have more life experience and wisdom compared to his woman and in a relationship, his decisions are going to be better.

What you ignore Billy is the flip side. Most RW will come to resent the fact that a man is teaching and babysitting them. Doll is right IMHO in that most RW are anything but submissive. They will not tolerate forever being taught and babysat by their husband.

[SMS60]

Let me guess, you consider yourself a leader 

Well hell yes, My occupation required me to be in the lead to receive the largest paycheck. If I was following someones back bumper at the end I lost. Its breed in me.

[Misha]

Well hell yes, My occupation required me to be in the lead to receive the largest paycheck. If I was following someones back bumper at the end I lost. Its breed in me.

An assistant manager working at McDonald's could just as easily say the same thing  :evil:

[SMS60]

An assistant manager working at McDonald's could just as easily say the same thing  :evil:

How true. My same thoughts about the men on here who claim status with big numbers and big travels.

[Misha]

How true. My same thoughts about the men on here who claim status with big numbers and big travels.

Yes, best that the men who have never actually been to the FSU or have never been in a relationship, let alone married, to a RW lead the way 

[SMS60]

Yes, best that the men who have never actually been to the FSU or have never been in a relationship, let alone married, to a RW lead the way 

Please tell, how do you know who is who? Tell me how you know who is dating? who is married? and who has been where?

Yes, I know of the little clubs with members meeting in Tiki Bars. I know him and I met him...Pfffffttt.

Of course, its a never ending theme on here to dismiss opinions you dont agree with the rebuttal of........Never been, never married, never dated..... reason.

[Misha]

Please tell, how do you know who is who? Tell me how you know who is dating? who is married? and who has been where?

Let's see, there is the little status bar to the left. In your case, it specifies, Times to FSU: None.

[SMS60]

Let's see, there is the little status bar to the left. In your case, it specifies, Times to FSU: None.

Dont beleive everything you read. This is rule number 1 in forum participation.

PS. I tried to put 35 it would not allow me. So instaed of putting a false number I left it blank

[Misha]

Dont beleive everything you read. This is rule number 1 in forum participation.

PS. I tried to put 35 it would not allow me. So instaed of putting a false number I left it blank

Uh-huh.... 

[BillyB]

 RW are anything but not  submissive.
 

Why do you guys keep assuming my type of woman is submissive? My kind of woman is strong but knows how to be a woman and not afraid to be a woman.

If any of you guys are having a rough time in a relationship with a RW, then that is your experience. The RW that I know, although they may start out stong, opinionated, independent,  they turn out sweet, kind, inviting me over for dinner giving back, and depending on me more often.

Maybe RW like me and trust me? How do I or any guy gets to that point? I get to that point for a good reason.

Any of you remember how hard you tried for someone of the opposite sex? You were willing to give almost anything or do almost anything for that high quality person. I'd like a woman feel wonderful with me and I with her doing things for each other without having being told. Starting a schedule on who's turn to wash dishes and mow the grass is going a step backwards in a relationship. The relationship is more like a partnership.

Doll, I assume you married your husband because he shares the same view on your brand of equality within a relationship. I assume you did talk before marriage and you are satisfied with his views. When you come to this forum, you normally are not happy with your relationship based on your posts. I've never seen you brag about your husband and express joy about your marriage. When you are more happy and positive about the current relationship you are in and when you say equality in a marriage is what makes you happy, I will start to believe you. I'm not pointing fingers at you or your husband but something needs to happen so when you come to this forum, you come with happiness and speak of positives things about your marriage instead of negative.

Anybody else have a hard time speaking positively with their husband or wife on a public forum? Don't ignore the problems and fix it now.

[Misha]

Why do you guys keep assuming my type of woman is submissive?

Because, the type of woman you describe, a woman who will be willing to be your student and accept the fact that you will be making all the decisions (or at the very least going to you to confirm that she can make any given decision) will be submissive.

If any of you guys are having a rough time in a relationship with a RW, then that is your experience.

Actually, no, I have a wonderful relationship with my wife who is my equal.

The RW that I know, although they may start out stong, opinionated, independent,  they turn out sweet, kind, inviting me over for dinner giving back, and depending on me more often.

This is what I don't get. Why do you want a woman who will depend on you?

Maybe RW like me and trust me? How do I or any guy gets to that point? I get to that point for a good reason.

What point? Dating?

The relationship is more like a partnership.

I agree with this, adding of course that in a true partnership both are equals and have a say in how the partnership is run

Billy, I do have a final question. You see yourself as the more experienced teacher who will guide the woman who will be your wife. What happens when she catches up to you? Eventually, all students will know as much as their teachers, many will even surpass their teachers. What then?

[Doll]

My kind of woman is strong but knows how to be a woman and not afraid to be a woman.

Which is?

[Doll]

Doll, I assume you married your husband because he shares the same view on your brand of equality within a relationship.

No.

[BillyB]

Billy, I do have a final question. You see yourself as the more experienced teacher who will guide the woman who will be your wife. What happens when she catches up to you? Eventually, all students will know as much as their teachers, many will even surpass their teachers. What then?

In the last 2 weeks, 4 of the ladies I've dated are older than I. What happens to women when they gain knowledge and experience in life? To tell you the truth, they know how to treat me better and make me feel like a man more than the younger ones.

Many of the ladies I date invite me to their home. They cook me a meal, make me coffee or tea and if I try to take the dishes to the kitchen, they grab it out of my hand. Sometimes they'll change into something more comfortable even if I'm in the room, maybe we'll sit on the couch and they'll rub their fingers through my hair, feed me grapes, and wipe the sweat off my face. Are they doing this because they are submissive or because as a MAN, I do things for them that make them happy to be with me? Figure it out.

Misha, if you are thrilled with your marriage and think it's perfect, why do you get so worked up when I search for something differently in my life and the women in my life appreciate the kind of guy I am? Why do you accuse the ladies in my life of being submissive when in fact they may do things for me simply because they care about me? Maybe they care about me because I sincerely care about them?  Start a thread and dedicate it to your wife and tell the World why she is so great and makes you feel like a MAN. So far I'm not convinced you're happy in your marriage because you're spending a lot of time on the internet being grumpy. I hope Doll too would be inspired to create a thread on why her husband is wonderful.

I am a happy man. I've mentioned nothing but positive things and happiness about the RW in my life during my time at this forum. Maybe I have a knack for avoiding and getting  involved with bad RW or maybe I have the ability to soften the hardest RW. No matter what you say about RW based off your experience, you're not going to scare me away from them. Even if Doll and other RW come forth to tell me the kind of RW I'm looking for is rare in the USA, I won't believe them because I've dated more RW than they and they may speak for themselves and relay the feelings of their circle of friends that may or may not be in unhappy relationships but I keep dating the same old RW and some new faces since I started this thread and I see something different than what you guys are telling me. I can assure you the women who feed me with their own hands are not desperate or depressed enough to play into a submissive master/slave role. Don't be jealous. Figure out what you need to do to make your wife/gf happy enough to want to feed you with her own hands too.

[Doll]

When you come to this forum, you normally are not happy with your relationship based on your posts. I've never seen you brag about your husband and express joy about your marriage. When you are more happy and positive about the current relationship you are in and when you say equality in a marriage is what makes you happy, I will start to believe you. I'm not pointing fingers at you or your husband but something needs to happen so when you come to this forum, you come with happiness and speak of positives things about your marriage instead of negative.

Billy, you're missing a lot of Russian mentality, also, a lot of Doll's posting on this board.
I am married to my husband because I "took him into my soul". Do you know what Russians mean by this?