Life Changes...Part Deux

[GQBlues]

...This thread was amusing at first, but now it has just become tedious.

Lather, rinse, repeat...
But I still agree with I/O, he should've stayed with the Mexican   

[SteveOR]

It irrevelent at this point.

My point exactly.

He stated that he contacted A when she was 16 or 17 (not sure of age)

When you get a chance, read page 14 of this thread.  There may have been correspondence when A was 17 but I don't think there was any contact.
 
Also, I remember from Billy's past adventures that he wrote to every available FSUW in a wide age range and corresponded with many of them on an ongoing basis.  I don't remember the number of letters that he wrote but it was a large number.  It's entirely possible that when writing to A he was also writing to many others and might have missed the age.  I don't get the feeling that he has ever specifically targeted underaged people.
 
Anyway, go back and read page 14 of this thread before you tell me that I'm wrong. . .
 
 

[GoodOlBoy]

There may have been correspondence when A was 17......

May have been ??
 
Don't you and Hammer try to rewrite history.
 
"A" was ATLEAST 17 (maybe 16) when Billy first contacted/corresponded with her.
 
BTW...I believe what Boethius posted about Washington State law pretty much covers your statement above:
 

Here's the WA legislation I believe Ravens was referring to -
 
RCW 9.68a.090
 
Communication with minor for immoral purposes -


(1) Except as provided in subsection (2) of this section, a person who communicates with a minor for immoral purposes, or a person who communicates with someone the person believes to be a minor for immoral purposes, is guilty of a gross misdemeanor.

(2) A person who communicates with a minor for immoral purposes is guilty of a class C felony punishable according to chapter   9A.20  RCW if the person has previously been convicted under this section or of a felony sexual offense under chapter 9.68A, 9A.44,  or 9A.64 RCW or of any other felony sexual offense in this or any other state or if the person communicates with a minor or with someone the person believes to be a minor for immoral purposes through the sending of an electronic communication. (emphasis added)

[2006 c 139 § 1.  Prior:  2003 c 53 § 42; 2003 c 26 § 1; 1989 c 32 § 7; 1986 c 319 § 2; 1984 c 262 § 8.]

 
GOB

[GoodOlBoy]

My example of immorality would be AM sex tourists bedding desperate RW under the pretense of possible marriage. 

Strange post Gator.
You "judge" SexTourist, Porno Pike and Albert to be immoral.
But yet BillyB (who contacts minor girls on the internet) is okie dokie? 
 
GOB

[Daveman]

However you want to slice and dice it, the only one with whom it is apparent that sex was a topic of discussion at any time was Mom...


We've read the immorality assertions repeatedly. That point has been made. And I'll reiterate it for everyone for the last time. There are some members who consider Billy actions to be immoral. There are others who do not. 


Unless someone has proof that Billy spoke of sexual acts with A while she was a minor, then it's time to let that drop (here on page what? 60-something?) as well.  If whomever has nothing new to present, why frivolously generate new page numbers in the thread?  This is becoming as ridiculous as those lite beer commercials -- "tastes great"... "less filling"  ad infinitum.

[Gator]

Strange post Gator.
You "judge" SexTourist, Porno Pike and Albert to be immoral.
But yet BillyB (who contacts minor girls on the internet) is okie dokie? 
 

I do not believe this BillyB episode is okie dokie.  I just do not see that BillyB initiated contact for the purposes of sex with a minor.  To say he did is stretching the facts.

[BC]

Bear posted something interesting in another thread

http://www.turningpointservices.org/Domestic%20Violence%20-%20Power%20and%20Control%20Wheel.htm

Not to say that this relationship is / will be abusive, but as it relates to this thread there are some similarities with Billy's 'being the man' theories especially when it comes to Privelege and Economic slices of the pie.

The source thread http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=14034.msg280478#msg280478 is an interesting read, especially in combination with this one.

My view is that marriage is either an 'all in' or 'all out' deal..  the 'whole pie' if you will.

I can remember the first time my wife came in with the mail and started opening it.  I had to think about that a bit and opted for accepting it.. after all she is my wife.

[mies]

 
How do you know that BillyB contacted her for a sexual relationship rather than for potential marriage.  If a sexual relationship were his goal, he has failed and wasted much time.   Instead, he pursues marriage.
 
...
My example of immorality would be AM sex tourists bedding desperate RW under the pretense of possible marriage.  Those are my values, and you have your values.

Two man and a boy: a story with a moral.

***

Once, there were two men: just a man, and a priest. The man owned a small bookstore. Priest was a teacher in a church choir. Both were 45yo. They lived in a same village, in the country where same-sex marriages were allowed. The age of consent in this country was 18.

***

There was a teen boy, let's say, 15yo, almost 16, who also lived in that village. He sang in a church choir and liked to read books. The boy was from poor family, but very handsome, decent, and bright student. A high quality boy. Everyone admired him for his superior genuine qualities.

***

It happened so that both a priest and a bookstore owner had fallen in love with the boy. They didn't fall in love right away. First, they spent their time carefully learning about the boy, about his morale, and about his quality. They wanted to be sure that he does not do things for money, or for status, or for fame. They both wanted to make sure he is agreeable and genuine. So they had in-depth conversations with the boy. They asked him to share his thoughts about marriage, and about relationship, and where does he sees himself in relationship, and how often it is important to have sex, and what if boy's partner wants something in sex that boy does not quite approve, and about the sexual and other needs of grown-up man, and how a mature adult man and a boy can be a good couple, and how a boy can please the man. Pretty much they talked about everything, - very honest and sincere, and genuine conversations.

***

After some time, boy's parents learned about these discussions. At first, parents got really mad. They wanted to kill both the priest and the bookstore owner. Then, the parents had a second thought, and the thought was: "Priest is immoral, he does not plan to marry our son. But the bookstore owner is moral because he is looking for a boy to marry." So the parents had shun the priest from the village, and had welcomed the bookstore owner into their home, and taught him how he can make the sex enjoyable for their boy too.

***

The moral of the story: if you want to find yourself a teenage sex-partner, don't become a priest, or else your actions will be deemed immoral.

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Gator, a question to you: if you had a son, and you knew that it is possible to marry same sex person, starting from what age of your son would you be OK with 40+ yo guys discussing sex with your son, because ... you know... maybe they also plan to marry him?  

would it be any different if this happened to your daughter, not a son?

P.S. I do not imply with this story that Billy discussed sex with underage A. This is just a fictional story. All similarities with real characters are accidental. 

[Daveman]

Bear posted something interesting in another thread

http://www.turningpointservices.org/Domestic%20Violence%20-%20Power%20and%20Control%20Wheel.htm

Not to say that this relationship is / will be abusive, but as it relates to this thread there are some similarities with Billy's 'being the man' theories especially when it comes to Privelege and Economic slices of the pie.

The source thread http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=14034.msg280478#msg280478 is an interesting read, especially in combination with this one.

My view is that marriage is either an 'all in' or 'all out' deal..  the 'whole pie' if you will.

I can remember the first time my wife came in with the mail and started opening it.  I had to think about that a bit and opted for accepting it.. after all she is my wife.

This is actually an excellent path to take on this thread:

• How does this apply to what BB has written?
• How does this apply to conceptual ideas such as Traditional Values?
• How does this apply to male/female roles in FSUM/FSUW relationships?
• How does this apply to these roles in WM/FSUW relationships?

are there distinctions?

[Faux Pas]

You are funny Boethius.
Unless you are quoted saying something VERBATIM, you will always deny saying or implying something very close to it.

Gator:
"I just do not see that BillyB initiated contact for the purposes of sex with a minor.  To say he did is stretching the facts."

Boethius:
"I may be missing something, but I do not see where anyone posted that."

From earlier
Boethius:
"Gee, I don't know.  A middle aged man [direct reference to Billy] contacting an underaged girl for a sexual relationship is, perhaps, completely acceptable in some circles, notwithstanding the fact there are laws against it, including in the state in which Billy resides. "

That sure sounds very, very similar to what Gator said.

Canadaman,


Keep in mind I am not making any assumptions or accusations directed at anyone but, please answer this question honestly? Have you contacted any underage girls for friendship?

[GQBlues]

...The moral of the story: if you want to find yourself a teenage sex-partner, don't become a priest, or else your actions will be deemed immoral....

OMG! That's why the Pope declared support for the Occupy Wall Street protesters yesterday.
 
Down with Capitalists!!
 

[BC]

From earlier
Boethius:
"Gee, I don't know.  A middle aged man [direct reference to Billy] contacting an underaged girl for a sexual relationship is, perhaps, completely acceptable in some circles, notwithstanding the fact there are laws against it, including in the state in which Billy resides. "

That sure sounds very, very similar to what Gator said.

Canada,

When quoting, it's a good idea to use the quote function that adds a link to the post.  Keeps it all in context.  [direct reference to Billy] can be read differently.  I don't really see it 'your way'.

[Gator]

Gator, a question to you: if you had a son, and you knew that it is possible to marry same sex person, starting from what age of your son would you be OK with 40+ yo guys discussing sex with your son, because ... you know... maybe they also plan to marry him?   [/l]

I do not have an easy answer.   Even though I am a Republican, I accept same sex marriages although I hope my sons are straight.   I would accept talking on the Internet at age 18.  Meeting is another matter, and I would need to know more, much more, before I would be OK.

would  it be any different if this happened to your daughter, not a son?

No.  My RW's 22-yo daughter has been staying at my house for almost a year.  I have dealt with her as if she were my daughter.   She had no social life when she arrived, and I helped her with American dating sites.  And we discussed particular men she was pondering whether to meet.  Some were over 40 and after discussing them we found nothing that would warrant a meeting.

She met several men in their 30s (she thought 20s were too young), and the worst were RM living in America.  Finally she met a good, friendly man (successful career and handsome too), and they have been together for a month.  He even plans to take her home to meet his parents up North.   She really likes him.

[Daveman]

CanadaMan,


Nice try but you will never get an admission.   


Even though it seems starkly evident, there must be something else that feeble minds such as mine and yours can not see nor ascertain. 




It reminds me of trying to reason with a RW once her mind is set.   Better to say "Darling, you are correct."


To humor myself, I admit to posting in a sequence that would lead to where we are.

Well, she *IS* genetically Ukrainian     Hasn't anyone connected those dots yet?   




Alrighty Pals and Gals... Why do't we go ahead and consider the topics of immorality, illegality, etc, closed for discussion here.  Those are dead horse issues, and along the lines of a moderator moving the topics along in a political debate, that's what I am doing here...  moving it along... BC posted and excellent topic for discussion here but it goes ignored because of.. let's say human nature...


At any rate, my subtle hints seem to have little effect, so let's remove the ambiguity... move to a different topic(s) or move out of the thread. The dead horse is pretty much pulp.

[acrzybear]

    So Dave, what are you trying to say?     

[CanadaMan]

Canadaman,


Keep in mind I am not making any assumptions or accusations directed at anyone but, please answer this question honestly? Have you contacted any underage girls for friendship?

What is the purpose of your question FP? What are you trying to get at exactly?
If you truly had no "assumptions or accusations", why would you pose the question to me, specifically?

Wouldn't the question have gone something like:

"Has anyone here contacted any underage girls for friendship?"

It sure sounds like you are trying to smear my character for no apparent reason.

And just for the record, if it will make you feel better (or worse), the only time I have contacted an underage girl for friendship was when I was underage myself. And that was a very long time ago. We are talking almost 40 years ago!

[BC]

And just for the record, if it will make you feel better (or worse), the only time I have contacted an underage girl for friendship was when I was underage myself. And that was a very long time ago. We are talking almost 40 years ago!

And for the record, would you consider contacting an underage girl for friendship as within the scope of searching for a wife?

[Faux Pas]

What is the purpose of your question FP? What are you trying to get at exactly?
If you truly had no "assumptions or accusations", why would you pose the question to me, specifically?

No I am not looking to smear you Canadaman and if I were, I wouldn't need your assistance. Why else would I preface such a question? It was a question meant for you. I merely wonder if you would help me to understand. It struck me as I read your post of Gator's and Boethuis's volley. Your particular statement to Boethuis seemed to infer (to me)that a man in his mid forties might contact an underaged girl for friendship. I was curious as to whether you had. If that wasn't what you were inferring, I withdraw my question.

And just for the record, if it will make you feel better (or worse), the only time I have contacted an underage girl for friendship was when I was underage myself. And that was a very long time ago. We are talking almost 40 years ago!

I haven't either. Nor do I know any grown men who would contact an underage girl looking for friendship. When I do hear of one naturally, my alarms go off. Do yours?

[BC]

Gator, you can also add my feeble mind to the list.

Jack,

How many 18 year old girls do you invite to your parties?

Just curious.

[Jumper]

the train kept a rollin'


 

 
 

[Jumper]

Dave was pretty clear I thought?
 
anyone listening?
 
 
 
BC you brought up some good stuff earlier..
Hope folks can stick to something similarly constructive..
 
it just
seems headed to closure  on these single line tracks?

[SteveOR]

Dave was pretty clear I thought?

Dave's been clear at least three times in the last two days by my count.
 
Billy has always been pretty good at telling his story and whether you all agree with him or not I'd kind of like to hear the rest of it.  Hopefully without all the background noise. . .
 
 

[Wayne]

It seems like A should have had her visa interview by now. Weeks ago, Billy said the file got sent to Kyiv. I am sure everyone is interested in the results.
 
Has anything been said about the wedding plans? Will any of A's family be attending?
 
Did her mother sew her wedding dress? Are they planning a church wedding?

[BC]

Dave was pretty clear I thought?
 
anyone listening?
 
 
 
BC you brought up some good stuff earlier..
Hope folks can stick to something similarly constructive..
 
it just
seems headed to closure  on these single line tracks?

Jumper,

Sex always sells.

[Daveman]

Jumper,

Sex always sells.

Yeah, maybe sex sells but once people run out of money, perhaps they'll tackle the topic you introduced. THAT would make quite an interesting discussion, IMO...  and one of far greater value and potential enlightenment that the Jerry Springer frenzy du jour could possibly deliver..