Respectfully request opinions...

[Gylden]

I've been sitting here just thinking about something that was said, which hit me strange. I wasn't going to say anything about it, but oh well, it just rubs on me.

Is it common practice to make up some fake profile, to "test" women?

[Gator]

Never dated a Brit.  Dated 2 Irish, 1 scottish and realized I can't possibly consume that much alcohol for any prolonged period of time.  I kept winding up being walked home from local bars while my girl was near carrying me.  Never a good sight.

 

Some RW can drink me under the table, although most get tipsy on two glasses of red wine.

Be aware that alcohol abuse is a major health problem in the FSU.  Some women may have had troubling experiences and will frown on drinking.  I was at a New Year's party that included a tequila girl selling shots.  After my third shot, my RW date insisted that we leave well before midnight.  It was okay, as she guided me to the beach where we had our own private party.

she says "you don't understand me! If you sell that car, I will not meet you... promise me you'll just save and come when you can"...

RW want a man who is good with money.  They have no respect for a man who seems foolish with money.  Selling a car just to pay for an 8,000-mile flight to meet a stranger is foolish.

[Gator]

Seraphimangel,

Don't be scared!  Don't give up.  Just become more educated about the process and the women.

Based on the little that you have presented, it seems that Dyev No. 3 would be fun to date.   

So if you want just to have some fun, take a trip to meet No. 3.  However, if in the back of your mind there is the hope that you could meet a woman with marriage potential, keep looking.  I say that because No. 3 has moved too fast IMO.  The way you describe yourself would suggest to me that you need a more grounded woman as a partner.

If you wish to keep looking, we first need to wean you off the Anastasia teat. 

Some of the younger men have had success contacting RW on the Russian dating sites.  These women are not paid to chat with foreigners, and contacting them is free once you have paid a nominal membership fee.  Caution:  Many of these women do not speak English and few are looking to marry a foreigner.  However, if you knock on enough doors....

Do you have a lot of experience with international travel?  If not, you may want to use a full-service agency.  You could go on Jack's tour.  You will probably be the youngest client.   However, he has a method to make sure interested women in your age range would be present.  You could  go to an agency such as Cindy in Dnepropetrovsk.  They will handle everything and set you up with 3-5 meetings per day with young dyevs living in the region.   

[Gylden]

What I really should have said is, that IMO it is a bad idea to make a false profile anywhere in order to "test" a woman. It might seem pretty clever to begin with, but you are making your self a trap.
 

[I/O]

we first need to wean you off the Anastasia teat.

I dated an Anastasia for a while and there was nothing wrong with her teats.

[Seeker]

What I really should have said is, that IMO it is a bad idea to make a false profile anywhere in order to "test" a woman. It might seem pretty clever to begin with, but you are making your self a trap.
 

I agree.  It seems less than honorable... borderline sleazy.

[BillyB]

Don't you think you are going a BIT too far while comparing an accomplished athlete and student with an escort girl? This is very vulgar. How can you judge others' manners while you have to sort out few things for yourself first?

mies, an unethical job is an unethical job whether it's deceiving people or screwing them. Where am I comparing RW #3 to being an actual escort?

IMO it is a bad idea to make a false profile anywhere in order to "test" a woman. It might seem pretty clever to begin with, but you are making your self a trap.

Glyden, I don't know what kind of tests women have done in the past to test your honesty but there is nothing wrong with "trust but verify". It is stupid to give anyone unconditional trust so to trust we have to test and/or evaluate a person's behavior over time. If a guy has a woman on the internet that says he's the only man and talks about lifetime commitment yet she continues to behave in way that makes it untrue, then it's to a man's benefit to find out. Internet dating has changed a lot of rules. People don't have the face to face time to evaluate each other's behavior. It's unbelieivably stupid to give a stranger 100% of your trust through the internet and have thoughts that person and you will be married for life. It's better to find out now if your sgnificant other can be monogomous with a simple test instead oflearning the hard way10 years from now being married with children. Besides a lot of married men on the net looking to commit adultry, there are a lot of RW doing it too.

Two RW will be living with me in a few weeks. I'm not jealous if they are communicating with other men but I'm confident they are not working other men on the internet to get to America or for personal interests. I don't want to bring con artists into my home. Sleazy or smart on my part? It's my life, not anybody elses and I'm going to take care of it.

Seraphimangel, besides RW #3 moving too fast, she is unrefined since she's vulgar. It may be funny to watch the few occasions in the past 2 weeks she explodes on other people but it won't be funny when she starts doing it on you once you say something wrong or she gets bored of you. Out of all the ladies I've dated, none are vulgar and all have respectable jobs. If you accept less in life, you will get less. No matter how much planning you or her are dreaming about to have a life together, someone once said "You don't have a relationship until you've seen the nipple". Unfortunately, since you're young and eager to make something happen, once you've seen the nipple, you're hooked and that is another good reason you shouldn't go.

[BillyB]

These threads can be just hilarious, for example, like I was trying to point out earlier. The guy who sent 300 dollars to a girl from Anaesthesia (pun intended) after having almost no contact with a girl (whom he met) then a long sweet e-mail asking for money, him sending it and she disappears. Billy (and others say she didn't scam him).
Then Mr. angel shows up, with a contact from Anaesthesia and she has done nothing, just talk at this point and she is a scammer.

In the other thread where a guys sends $300 willing to his woman he's in a relationship with and no proof of scam is different than RW #3 admitting to getting paid to chat with men while giving the impression she is interested in those men. It's a real scam. Those video chat girls are also encouraged to lure men to use the company's other services and tour packages. They are encouraged to meet the men for at least one date even if they walk away after a few minutes. Most video chat girls get the men to like them and it reaps benefits such as gifts and money. It takes a person of pretty low character to engage in those activites. Many men lose massive amount of time searching for their soul mate and lose money with the agency/girls and decent girls at the agency sit at home wondering all the boys are. Well, the boys are focused on video chat girls because the video chat girls are more aggressive and hog up all the attention. Mies thinks escorts are much worse than video chat girls but it's not true. Escorts would be a cheaper option and a man gets what he paid for compared to dealing with video chat girls.

[Jumper]

Mies saiud=

AJ, I see your point now - about scam agency and girls working in shifts.
But still, I view it a bit more on a positive side. I am very polite person, I would talk to every person who talks to me. (and I actually do - with the most random people everywhere). If I were registered at dating sites - out of politeness I would answer all men writing to me, while i'd be searching for that perfect man. If an agency offered to pay me for what I am doing for free anyway, while searching for a man - why not? Should I say "no" to the agency, and keep doing it for free?
I am not sure these girls realize they are doing any harm to men. They may not even understand that they would do a favor to men while saying "no" right away - by saving men's time and money. Some of them aren't as naive and polite as I am, but quite many are.  

Mies,

I agree completely?
i guess i did not make myself clear..

having been thru those agencies ,know some owners, married for awhile ,and years ago dated several of those girls..
I completely understand a young RW position at such an agency,
the slippery slope from a full employee writing letters all day,
to a casually interested university student to someone serious.,
 or someone registered to just meet a foiriegn guy,
 as it might be fun and afterall why not? (my ex wifes reasoning)

as you mentioned some are likely unaware..!!!!
some know full well ,and there is everything in between.

regardless ,all may have some geniune interest in the OP.
That is for him to sort out.
I never pointed any of the 3 a scammers,
and i would meet any of them if i was the OP and seriously interested.

my warnings were to be aware if the agency practices that they were listed at ,and if thier ACTIONs (and words) match that pattern, he should have his eyes wide open during any visit,
abd i fdsomethinbg is amiss, move on to someone of sincerety .it just isnt that hard to find.
He is in a perfect position to do so, just used a poor vehicle to meet?

Personally ,if one of them stood out to me, why not meet her?
I am open minded about such things ..and give the benefit of the doubt.
 
She is in direct contact with him, the agency isn't even involved at this point.He seems to like her personality ..so  should carry on his contact with her ,and if interested enough should  take a trip.

My advise would simply be to go in to it, with an open mind and realistic  expectations..


I liked Gators thoughts

Seraphimangel,

Don't be scared!  Don't give up.  Just become more educated about the process and the women.

[Jumper]

Billy-

personally  i wouldnt do some fake profile to *trust but verify*.

First of all, if i havnt met her ,she owes me nothing and she dang SURE should be writing other men, it isn't my business wether
she is or isn't. and frankly, i wouldnt care.
because only once  we meet is when anything real " could" develop.

I would never ask the question.and assume thatas a norma lperson sighned up at a dating agency ,that she was.
 if she volunteed she was writing others, i'd think that was a good thing! completely normal.
 if she volunteered  she wasnt,, i'd a take her a her word for it ,
but it would be irrelvent until we met or decided to be exclusive anyway?
If i had enough interest to be exculsive i would be on the plane already or at the least buying the tickets and making arrangments to meet.

as you said, it isnt that complicated.
making fake profiles reeks of games that i just don't have time for ,
or any interest in.

we are all different in this venture , so i understand others might
have different views on this and I accept  that.
but a fake profile  just isn't something i would ever be comfortable with, if that was needed, then i simply wouldn't date on-line.

[daveyj]

Additionally, I can't understand why she'd send me money to buy her crap if she's out to scam me.  It seems very counter-intuitive... but I admit, I am 100% naive to this world.

That's nothing.  Try to imagine how confused she will be if you tell her "Hi, everything been great, but I went on this anonymous discussion board and based upon the advice from the strangers there, I now decided to make you wait XX more months before I come to visit in order to test you, even though I want to come now" or "...we are doomed" or "...you are too young" or "...I am too young" or "...they think you are a scammer", or whatever else has been offered up.

Seriously.  Stop reading this thread.  Allow a few days to pass in order to clear out all the conflicting advice. 

And then ask yourself "what would make me happiest?", and then proceed accordingly

[Daveman]

Anastasia, Scammers, and Teats... OH MY!!!

Regardless of the AW situation, the girl of interest is still only 20 years old.  THAT's the biggest concern for me.  The job, the vulgarity, the whatever could just be the immaturity at work.

She sounds like she'd be fun if you like her....  put together a plan, consort with demons, sacrifice a chicken, and GO!! *subliminal message - RUN AWAY FROM ALL FSU WOMEN.. THEY'LL DRIVE YOU INSANE - end of subliminal message*    Just don't be a sucker, or LOX ... if you get a strange feeling in your gut that something isn't right, then it probably isn't. 

[Gylden]

Interesting post Daveman!

There are so many things here that just don't fit and kind of give me a gut feeling, that something is not right. But it doesn't have to do with the girls.

I am new to forums, never been on any forum until RWD so maybe I am mistaken, but could this be a troll situation?

[seraphimangel]

Me a troll? LOL. 

Nah, no way.  I'm actually someone who's been wanting feedback on this for a while, just didn't really know who to ask who has had some experience in this.

Plus, I think i agree the daveyj fella.  I stopped reading this earlier and said to myself.  I'm starting to ask her questions that come from a place of distrust. I wasn't doing this before and it's unlike me.   

Look, as far as I'm concerned, whether you think she's a good person or a bitch is of no concern to me.  She's young, she'll do stupid things, I have, I will and she will.

I like her, and ultimately that's all that matters.  I find her youthful Americanized personality entirely adorable.  Is this someone I'd marry? I really don't know, I can't really say I would definitely but I wouldn't be entirely opposed to having her see my lifestyle, visiting and seeing how she acclimates to my lifestyle and whether we enjoy each other both in FSU and in SaMo.  Ultimately, life is one gigantic (subjectively) story and conversation and you better like the subtext and the person you're talking to...

I'm going to go back to simply being me without the probes... I called her earlier to say good night and she put her little sister on the phone.  That was far too human a moment for me to think she's some horrible human being trying to gain something from me for what petty reason? 

If all she wants is me to go there and buy her crap? Screw it! I've had worse things happen to me in the U.S. and then I have to deal with the people on a daily basis.  At least here, rubbish stays far away if it goes wrong. 

I'll just be true to myself, true to her.  Visit near end of summer as I was originally planning and as she's been aware from what I've always told her.  I have like 2-3 months before seeing her.  If she bails on me before that... I'll postpone my trip, get credit and c'est la vie.  If everything's kosher, I'll post pictures and gladly say.. some things actually work.

Anyhow, good night fellas.  Take care.

[Gylden]

Seraphimangel,
To be very honest with you, I think you are one of the guys with his head screwed on right. You just never know what the real story is until you go and find out (in cases like this) and what a blast in the mean time, with absolutely nothing to lose (with the right perspective).
Now if it were a mans last dime or something like that (can't really afford to travel) well hey that is a completely different story!

Good to hear you are not a TROLL!! 

[seraphimangel]

Update, I cannot for the life of me fathon her being a scammer.  It's beyond hilarious.  I started acting normal again and she started acting cool again as well.

I think woman's intuition is amazing and she knew something was amiss. 

I just got off skype with her.  She (by the way, misunderstood earlier, that was her little brother...LOL)... she was playing with her little brother on it.  Moosehorns on camera.. real human playfulness and real humanly organic moment.

If this woman is a scammer, well screw it.. consider my donation a bid for her academy award.  She left because she wanted me to get sleep because ive been up late talking to her daily and I've been tired. 

The conversation is very much gone from BS that sounded like she was selling something earlier... to what you'd imagine two people who date in the U.S. sound like. 

I'm amazed.   If i could close this thread, please do so for me on this note.  I won't question anymore, seems pointless.  From her position, she's done everything she could possibly do to show me her sincerity.  Her personality is up to subjective opinion, my opinion is that she's wonderful.  If it ends, it will end on whatever organic note it should based on personalities, not cynicism. 

Good night fellas.  I'll keep reading stuff here, but I'll stick to travel experiences and recommendations.. I'll skip the opinion polls from now on.  Thank you all nonetheless.

[I/O]

I'll stick to travel experiences and recommendations.

I can assure you travel will not stunt your growth and again, I recommend you do so asap. FWIW, if the story is as told here, she's no scam, maybe a bit of a spoiled rich kid at worst but no scam.

[possum]

So, I remember an episode of family guy where they make fun of the two guys who are almost american but are obviously not by the way they choose their words in english.. this is her latest email... it's F'in hilarious.

"I have quarrelled with  Y*** and now me at awful mood. This small sheep was ill starved fever, to me is awfully insulting, ready to kill her now. I have offered her to go June, 4 on small, but good dancing festival, she declares that it fully dung and does not want to go there! The idiot!"

Is it lame that I find the phrasing to be entirely adorable?

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ax9Qfs3Bz3A[/youtube]

[groovlstk]

Update, I cannot for the life of me fathon her being a scammer.  It's beyond hilarious.  I started acting normal again and she started acting cool again as well.

FWIW, you'll find a lot of Inspector Clouseus here who see scammers behind every bush and want to debate every aspect of her behavior for signs of "proof." Getting taken for $$ for gifts, bogus English lessons, vacations, etc. is not at the top of the list of things that can go wrong for you. Not that you shouldn't be careful in this regard, but marrying someone who doesn't love you (and I believe this happens in the majority of RW/AM marriages, most Russians I know believe it's closer to 100%) is a lot more dangerous. 

[Shadow]

That she might have been paid for by AW to chat does not mean she is scamming Seraphim. However she still remains the person she is, and some guys are attracted to such personalities, which is great as aynone deserves happiness in their own way.

Keep us posted on what happens, and do not get paranoid about her past, present or future.

[Gator]

FWIW, if the story is as told here, she's no scam, maybe a bit of a spoiled rich kid at worst but no scam.

I agree.

If you have 2-3 months before traveling, use the time to:

1.  Have progressively more profound discussions with Miss Nikolaev about life, values, goals, etc.  (difficult to do with a 20-yo as they have not yet resolved their inner philosophy and they turn on a dime). 

2.  Read all the references,  etc. in the Upper LH corner of this webpage.

3.  Float a couple of new threads about some key dating issues (e. g., meet in Kiev or Nikolaev or Kiev/Nikolaev or Nikolaev/Crimea).

4.  Contact UW from a dating site (as backup if you are a VisitOne man).  I suggest Kharkiv or Dnepropetrovsk as both are easy travels from Kiev).

[kievstar]

Fake profiles.  Dating many women same time.  BillyB loves the hunt of RW or W.  He may get married but doubt he will every stay married longer than 10 years with children.  He is a hunter and hunters like to roam. 

[BillyB]

Update, I cannot for the life of me fathon her being a scammer.  It's beyond hilarious.  I started acting normal again and she started acting cool again as well.

She doesn't have to scam you to be a scammer. People are eager to call Aweb a scam but not the workers who execute it? Pussy does strange things to men.

She is who she is and even if she quits Aweb, she has worked in that environment long enough that she's not going to be rehabilitated over night. If you do meet her, do not watch her behavior with with you. You are making that mistake now. Watch her behavior with everyone else. See how she interacts with food servers especially. If she can't be respectful to someone of lower status than herself. Dump her.

seraphimangel, it would be wise of you to give yourself more options. If you gave yourself more options, you would most likely have better choices. You are so hooked on one RW that you never met but you know you can't get a second date with them. Get some more local dating experience. I hope you keep your word and won't go to the FSU for 6 months to get a better grasp on who you're dealing and to sharpen your social skills with women with but I suspect pussy's got a hold on you.

[mies]

She is who she is and even if she quits Aweb, she has worked in that environment long enough that she's not going to be rehabilitated over night.

a) you don't have to deal with her "rehabilitation", so why do you take it so personally? envy? jealousy?
b) how are you going to rehabilitate yourself after you "are currently dating more RWs than anyone else here"? I am not sure if you are aware of it - but for the majority of sane women - you are "lost case" as we say in Russian. And those "high-class women" who stick with you - have their own motives, and believe me - this isn't love. You are fooling yourself if you think otherwise. So. just relax and let SeraphimeAngel do whatever he wants to.

Billy, I like you - I honestly do. And I never critique your approach to "dating". But don't intrude to the other's people relationships. And especially - don't try to teach them your Holy TRUTH.

[mies]

Fake profiles.  Dating many women same time.  BillyB loves the hunt of RW or W.  He may get married but doubt he will every stay married longer than 10 years with children.  He is a hunter and hunters like to roam.  

i doubt any woman will stay as long as 10 years in such circumstances... yet in general - I agree with you 100%