Almost-total newbie here ...

[veritas]

Hey y'all!  

My name is Kevin, I'm 46, I live in Orlando (Florida, USA),
and that's my photo to the left there -- from April 2006,
when I was a few years younger ...     It also happens
to be the pic that I posted: (1) on Dream-Marriage, and
then (2) on Elena's Models ... I have a few words to say
about D-M, but I'll save those for another (new) topic ...

I'm ALMOST a total newbie to posting on discussion boards,
having just this afternoon written my very first post (about
D-M) on www.rwprimer.com ... Please forgive if my style
isn't what you're used to -- for better or worse, it's inimitable ...

I don't have the experience with meeting -- or trying to meet --
FSU women that many of you have ... For now, I'm just here to
comment on the legitimacy (or lack thereof) of FSU dating sites,
especially D-M ... That's what my RW post was about, and that's
where I'll start on this board (elsewhere!)

BTW, I'm having some trouble getting used to the "FSU" appellation,
because I live in Florida, where "Florida State University" is well-known ...

Anyway, I hope I don't run afoul of your posting guidelines (again) due to
my lack of experience in these matters ... If I do, I'll humbly grovel (again) ...

Sincerely,
Kevin

[ECOCKS]

Welcome Kevin!

Read lots of thread and ask lots of questions.

Several of us hope to be of some help.

[Daveman]

LoL, welcome kevin...  Feel free to post your personal experience/thoughts with/about DM in a new thread over in the Scammers/Suspect agencies thread.. Jump into the discussions anywhere you feel comfortable.

how you traveled to meet a woman in the FSU yet? Or still in the communication phase? What triggered/piqued your interest in FSU ladies?

Lots of info, knowledge, and(sometimes quite diverse) opinions here...

P.S. that my real photo to the left as well... however, as you can see I haven't shaved in a while..  :evil:

Dave

[veritas]

D'OH!!!  I just posted my experience with D-M in the "Getting Started" board ...
I had a FEELING there was a better place for it ... Can you move it over there?   

Thanks for the LOL and the warm welcome, Dave!     No, I haven't traveled
to the FSU (yet?), but I'm in communication with a lovely 39-year-old lawyer
from Elena's Models ... She lives in Odessa (Ukraine), which I've been reading
is apparently a "hotbed" for marriage-agency scams (along with Nikolaev) ...

I guess I'm looking for someone with more: stability, honesty, fidelity; more
loving and caring and DEVOTED than anyone I've found here in the States ...
Someone who is SERIOUS about relationships and WON'T "play games" like
the last girl I dated -- in 2006 -- who teased me with sexual "come-ons"
that she would then retract ... I've heard wonderful things about the
VALUES of FSU women -- but unfortunately, I started with D-M ... 

I think it all started with an "FSU" scammer on Match.com earlier this year ...
I didn't buy into it for one SECOND, but I kept the dialogue going in order
to reach the "Show me the MONEY!!!" point ... And sure enough, right
after an unsolicited TOPLESS photo -- "B" cup, at best, with arms up --
the very next letter started with the pleas for help with "Visa bills" (heck,
I've got TWO of those MYSELF!!!) and "Moscow hotels" and "airfare to the
U.S", and so on ... And, of course, accusations of "cruelty" when I refused
to pony up ... (But my best friend Linda kept inventing great excuses for me
to send "Anna" in order to get the maximum entertainment value from all this) ...
Anyway, I guess later I saw an ad for D-M somewhere, and it struck my fancy ...

BTW, you're a really cute guy, Dave!  I had a cat named Max who looked like you ... 

Kevin

[JohnDearGreen]

BTW, I'm having some trouble getting used to the "FSU" appellation,
because I live in Florida, where "Florida State University" is well-known ...

You are lucky to live in an area with many singles.   Spend a year in Flint, Toledo, Dayton, or Mechanicsburg and you would be eager to crawl or paddle your way to Ukraine.

[veritas]

LOL! 

Are there really that many (decent) singles in Orlando?  I wouldn't even know ...

BTW, luck didn't have much to do with it ... I moved to Florida (Cape Canaveral first)
straight out of high school in 1981 -- 17 years old -- from South Jersey, because
I wanted to put at least 1000 miles (1600 km) between myself and my father ...

[Faux Pas]

Welcome newkt!

I saw a few of your earlier posts but quite honestly couldn't make much of it. How long have you been thinking about "going east"

[veritas]

Sorry, Faux Pas, but just what do you mean by "couldn't make much of it"?
My use of English, my slang, or my content?  Am I not making myself clear? 

I guess I've been thinking about "going East" since my Match.com scammer
"Anna" fell off the face of the planet -- her e-mail address just "disappeared" --
and I saw an ad somewhere for D-M, and I was intoxicated by the plethora of
young "bathing beauties" who wrote unsolicited letters to me there (180+ on my
first day) ...

Then I finally started to get REAL -- I hope! -- and so I signed up with Elena's Models
after seeing an ad on "Jim's site" ...

I think the whole "Anna" exchange started in late 2009, and I joined D-M in February 2010?

FWIW, my education is in Computer Science, and my profession is Software Engineering (programming) ...

Kevin

[Daveman]

...

FWIW, my education is in Computer Science, and my profession is Software Engineering (programming) ...

Kevin

Hey, another geekly type! There are a few of us here.  What languages?  you graduated HS the same year i did, so you probably followed a similar path.. BASIC, RPG and Fortran, Assembler, PASCAL, a bit of Cobol, C, C++, SQL, Java, Vbasic, C#...  just about in that order I think.  CS was a hobby at school with my major being psychology, but, I just couldn't stop the addiction to computers!

Dave

P.S. no need move your other thread at the moment.. let the discussion run for a bit and then we'll bump it over to the other section a little later.

[SANDRO43]

Hey, another geekly type! There are a few of us here.  What languages?  you graduated HS the same year i did, so you probably followed a similar path.. BASIC, RPG and Fortran, Assembler, PASCAL, a bit of Cobol, C, C++, SQL, Java, Vbasic, C#...  just about in that order I think. 

WHAT, you didn't do APL http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/APL_(programming_language) ? некультурный!

[Faux Pas]

y use of EnglSorry, Faux Pas, but just what do you mean by "couldn't make much of it"?
Mish, my slang, or my content?  Am I not making myself clear? 

Heh heh. Don't get yer pannies in a wad. It was relating more to your thread(s) being fragmented than your syntax. I read your first couple of posts and couldn't decide if you were touting DM or the other forum. 

I guess I've been thinking about "going East" since my Match.com scammer
"Anna" fell off the face of the planet -- her e-mail address just "disappeared" --
and I saw an ad somewhere for D-M, and I was intoxicated by the plethora of
young "bathing beauties" who wrote unsolicited letters to me there (180+ on my
first day) ...

Then I finally started to get REAL -- I hope! -- and so I signed up with Elena's Models
after seeing an ad on "Jim's site" ...

I think the whole "Anna" exchange started in late 2009, and I joined D-M in February 2010?

FWIW, my education is in Computer Science, and my profession is Software Engineering (programming) ...

Kevin

Ah, very fresh meat. The 180 emails a day had you feeling pretty good about yourself until you tried to respond to them? You'll find many here including myself got diverted in this direction much the same way and have traveled your same path. That doesn't mean all paths are the same in fact, few are from this point on but there is a wealth of experience and knowledge here. Some of it delivered sweet with a spoon and some with a kick in the pants. Those that can tell the difference usually find some degree of success.

FWIW, your experienced mirrored mine up to this point and I did find a wonderful lady on EMs and married her. Welcome to RWD 

[veritas]

Heh heh. Don't get yer pannies in a wad. It was relating more to your thread(s) being fragmented than your syntax. I read your first couple of posts and couldn't decide if you were touting DM or the other forum. 


Ah, very fresh meat. The 180 emails a day had you feeling pretty good about yourself until you tried to respond to them? You'll find many here including myself got diverted in this direction much the same way and have traveled your same path. That doesn't mean all paths are the same in fact, few are from this point on but there is a wealth of experience and knowledge here. Some of it delivered sweet with a spoon and some with a kick in the pants. Those that can tell the difference usually find some degree of success.

FWIW, your experienced mirrored mine up to this point and I did find a wonderful lady on EMs and married her. Welcome to RWD 

Thanks for the welcome, Faux Pas!  I'm positively delighted to hear a REAL success story about EM! 
Can you tell me more, or direct me to where you've already written more, about your EM experience?

Yes, "very fresh meat" indeed ... Actually, I finally figured out that the $10/month plan on D-M
DOES allow one 10 "free introductory letters" (to alleged girls that one has never written before),
so I planned my (very few) responses accordingly, and eventually I started sending out my OWN
"form letters" -- but no more than 10/month! -- as described in my other "D-M SCAMS" post here ...

And yes, my original threads were "fragmented" -- REPEATED, actually, because I didn't read the
posting guidelines first -- but I don't believe I was "touting" EITHER site ... I was attacking D-M,
mentioning RWprimer, and (later) referencing "Jim's site" ...

But now, having been here long enough to meet some of you, I'll GLADLY tout THIS site ... 

Kevin

[Faux Pas]

Thanks for the welcome, Faux Pas!  I'm positively delighted to hear a REAL success story about EM! 
Can you tell me more, or direct me to where you've already written more, about your EM experience?

My EMs experience is peppered all over the forum. I am certainly a proponent of EMs but, some haven't had any good experience there and thats understandable. Yet others only a modicum of success. I started out emailing about 30 women. Quickly moved to phone conversations with about 10. Just that was a lot of work and kept me busy. Through the process of elimination, only one remained and I went to visit her. The rest as they say is history. I am a WMVO kind of guy. Many guys go for the WMVM approach. I refer to it as quantity over quality but, thats just me.

newkt, I urge you to seek out the same age and type woman that you would normally date at home. Many guys going this route seek the young hot flat bellies then, have that famous Johnny Carson look when they bolt. FSU women are not any different in the regard that they seek someone closer to their age. The difference I have found is, the same age/type woman that I dated in the U.S. is much more upgraded in Russia from version 1.0 to version 9.6. Make sense?

In the US for the last 20 years I dated 10 years either way, older or younger. A few occasions, younger than 10 years. Thus that was my target demographic at EMs. Some of the ladies contacted me at EM, most were contacted by me. I contacted the one I eventually married.

Hope that helps!

[veritas]

Thanks, Faux Pas!   I believe that I understand and I agree with your advice ...
(And I DEFINITELY see what you mean about the quantum leap from 1.0 to 9.6!)

On EM, I'm currently corresponding with a quite lovely 39-year-old lawyer with
two kids, and I'm pretty sure she does NOT have a "young hot flat belly" -- in
fact, I suspect that she's rather "hippy" -- but her photos show the face of an
ANGEL, and I have NEVER been the "paper bag" type ... (Although, admittedly,
most of these particular young hot flat bellies don't NEED paper bags, anyway) ...

Also, I think she may have bad teeth, because she doesn't show them when
she smiles in the pix, but MY teeth ain't so hot, EITHER (my photo to the left
notwithstanding) ... In fact, let me just link to her EM profile here:


Now, I've ALSO sent "Expressions of Interest" to a number of younger girls --
a few of which have actually been RETURNED (!!!) -- but:  (a) I don't send
a girl an EOI unless I'm in her stated age range, and (b) I'm rather skeptical
of her age range ANYWAY, and I'll retain that skepticism if I actually WRITE her ...

BTW, what are "WMVO" and "WMVM", anyway?

I think I know the "famous Johnny Carson look" to which you refer ...  

Very sound advice, Faux Pas ... I do appreciate it, coming from one who's been there ...

Thanks again,
Kevin

P.S.  Dave -- I was preparing a most cogent and comprehensive response to your question
about programming languages (no APL!!!) when my Firefox window went bye-bye, and now
it WON'T come out to play anymore, even though the "Windows Task Manager" shows that
it's still running, and even with all other windows minimized to the task bar ...

I frickin' HATE this 9-year-old Dell Dimension 8100, and I especially LOATHE Windows (any version!)
I'm actually a Unix/Linux kinda guy, with almost ALL my work experience involving C kernel drivers ...
More about that IF this damn WINDOW ever re-appears -- but I won't be holding my breath ...

[SANDRO43]

BTW, what are "WMVO" and "WMVM", anyway?

Please refer to the RWD Glossary in the main menu panel at left.

[Faux Pas]

Thanks, Faux Pas!   I believe that I understand and I agree with your advice ...
(And I DEFINITELY see what you mean about the quantum leap from 1.0 to 9.6!)

And trust me, the longer your around the more better versions you'll see. Most guys don't understand the tremendous difference in ladies in the same age/type/intellectual as the same type demographics they date at home. IMO (in my opinion) they are missing out. But, some guys just have to chase the fantasy of a woman 20-23 years younger. And in fact some guys find it. Many do not.

Also, I think she may have bad teeth, because she doesn't show them when
she smiles in the pix, but MY teeth ain't so hot, EITHER (my photo to the left
notwithstanding) ... In fact, let me just link to her EM profile here:

She may or may not. May have a slight flaw she feels hurts her smile but in general big toothy smiles more often than not, are not the norm.

BTW, what are "WMVO" and "WMVM", anyway?

Write many visit one, Write many visit many

I think I know the "famous Johnny Carson look" to which you refer ... 

The picture of him after his 5th or 6th wife took half his money and his stuff. I remember it vividly 

[veritas]

Thanks, Sandro and Faux Pas!

Yeah, I would be a WMVO kinda guy, too ... "Quality over quantity", as it were ... 

[veritas]

you graduated HS the same year i did, so you probably followed a similar path..
BASIC, RPG and Fortran, Assembler, PASCAL, a bit of Cobol, C, C++, SQL, Java, Vbasic, C#...

P.S. no need move your other thread at the moment.. let the discussion run for a bit
and then we'll bump it over to the other section a little later.

[NOTE: After I rebooted my old computer, my Firefox window/tabs were restored,
but what's amazing to ME is that everything that I typed (below) -- before I "lost"
that window/tabs yesterday -- was actually STILL THERE in my "Post reply" box!!! 
Does Firefox (or RWD) actually SAVE posts that are still being WRITTEN???    ]

Glad to hear there are other techies here, Dave, because I just posted
(as part of a larger post) a paragraph mostly about display resolutions
and monitor aspect ratios!  But really, it WAS "on topic" ...

Actually, I graduated with a 4.0 GPA as a computer science major -- and
that included such esoteric classes as "Art & Architecture", writing (what
turned out to be) an excellent term paper on Egyptian funerary temples ...
For some reason, I've always been about equally adept at math/science
and verbal skills -- I'm a REAL stickler for spelling, grammar, punctuation,
etc. ... (Except for my PERPETUAL use of:  ellipses, double-dashes, and
dangling prepositions ... I don't give a HOOT about dangling prepositions!)

Both of my parents went to M.I.T. -- my mom at the age of 16, after
skipping two years of high school -- and my 24-year-old brother is a
computer hardware AND software genius (unlike ME!) who almost got
a 4.0, too, double-majoring in computer science and physics ... He was
snapped up by Cisco (in San Jose) straight out of school, and he probably
makes a good $100K right now ...

Me?  I'm unemployed ...

As for languages, let's see ... BASIC, yes ... RPG, no ... FORTRAN, yes ... Assembly, of course!  (Z80?) ...
Pascal, yes ... COBOL, yes ... (And aren't "ForTran" and "COBOL" acronyms of a sort?) ... C, naturally!! ...
(My former job was writing custom C kernel drivers -- VME Bus -- for a real-time version of Unix/Linux) ...

But all the others you mentioned were NOT in my curriculum, and I don't know a LICK of 'em!  (Nor HTML) ...

As for my D-M posting, I'm truly honored and gratified that it's already managed to garner some attention
right where it is, so I'm with ya on lettin' it ride ... Matters not to me whether or not you decide to move it ...

Kevin

[SANDRO43]

[NOTE: After I rebooted my old computer, my Firefox window/tabs were restored,but what's amazing to ME is that everything that I typed (below) -- before I "lost" that window/tabs yesterday -- was actually STILL THERE in my "Post reply" box!!!  Does Firefox (or RWD) actually SAVE posts that are still being WRITTEN???    ]

Not RWD IINM, but browsers use a CACHE to store data from the 'Net, so your post page may have been reloaded from there, if you have not configured FF to flush it when closing down.

(And aren't "ForTran" and "COBOL" acronyms of a sort?)

Yes, FORmula TRANslation and COmmon Business-Oriented Language, respectively. In 1964 IBM announced a hybrid (PL/1, Programming Language One) of the two languages for the then new IBM System/360 series.

[veritas]

Thanks, Sandro ... I see that YOU'RE quite the "techie" YOURSELF! 
(Or at least you certainly know more about FIREFOX than I do!!!)

I should have KNOWN, what with your reference to APL and all ... 

Is that cache continuously updated on DISK so that it's "always" current,
or is it updated in MEMORY and then FLUSHED to disk on system shut-down?
(Obviously, it must get onto the disk one way or the other, because it's THERE --
just the way I left it -- after I shut down and reboot, which results in a "clean slate"
for memory) ...

The relevant difference (for me) would be for those times when I actually have
to POWER DOWN (or unplug) the computer because Windows (XP) is so HOSED
that I'm not even able to shut it DOWN properly!    (This is NOT uncommon!)

Thanks,
Kevin

[SANDRO43]

Thanks, Sandro ... I see that YOU'RE quite the "techie" YOURSELF!  (Or at least you certainly know more about FIREFOX than I do!!!)

My browser is Opera, not FF, but some features are cross-browser.

Is that cache continuously updated on DISK so that it's "always" current, or is it updated in MEMORY and then FLUSHED to disk on system shut-down?

Usually, it's updated in real time (whenever you load a new WWW page): it'd make little sense to do that after a shutdown, its basic purpose is to make page upload faster - many WWW pages have some common content (for instance, certain images) - therefore it pays to load a copy from the local disk rather than wait for it to arrive again from the Web.

Most browsers allow you to examine what's in their cache, which is particularly useful when one wants to copy content from a Web page and that operation is not allowed with the usual right click: just go to the cache and you'll find what you wanted to copy, although you'll have to wade through a lot of incomprehensible filenames - but file extensions help, if your aim is a photo, it'll be a .JPG in most cases . 

[Sculpto]

man you guys are geeks.. pocket protector much?  lol.. JUST KIDDING! 

But seriously.. ok I am gonna post one photo.. for 24 hours.. and the two of you need to get your arses on planes... you will see why..

[Sculpto]

look in the background.. how many girls do you see with no dance partner?  See the Blondie leaning on the small column?  And that was just the tip of the iceberg.. the other side of the column.. oh man.. gents you have no idea..

[Olga_Mouse]

Also, I think she may have bad teeth, because she doesn't show them when she smiles in the pix, but MY teeth ain't so hot, EITHER (my photo to the left notwithstanding) ... In fact, let me just link to her EM profile here:

Kevin, Russian people are not that overly paranoid about pearly white perfect gnashers being a symbol of success in life, etc. - unless you're searching amongst pop-stars and wealthy ladies (but I doubt these will post their profiles at Elena's models somehow   )

If a Russian woman has to display some parts of her body to attract men, teeth would be the last to come to her mind. And yes, as FauxPas has said above, those "big toothy smiles" are not the norm here.

If you don't like that situation, don't go to FSU   That's the basic idea  

[veritas]

Kevin, Russian people are not that overly paranoid about pearly white perfect gnashers being a symbol of success in life, etc. ... If you don't like that situation, don't go to FSU   That's the basic idea  

No, no, OlgaMouse, I'm perfectly fine with that situation ... Like I said,
"MY teeth ain't so hot, EITHER", so I actually APPRECIATE the lack of
"paranoia about pearly white perfect gnashers" (what GREAT English!)

the two of you need to get your arses on planes... you will see why..

Well, I'M just getting started, so that's why I'VE never been to the FSU ...
But what about YOU, Sandro?

look in the background.. how many girls do you see with no dance partner?  See the Blondie leaning on the small column?  And that was just the tip of the iceberg.. the other side of the column.. oh man.. gents you have no idea..

Sculpto, I hope it's OK with you if I "migrate" a bit of our PM talk into this intro thread of mine ...
(Instead of using LANA's!  )

I Google'd "PUA", and now that I know what it means, I can assure you that I'm in absolutely
NO danger of ever BECOMING one (wishes to the contrary notwithstanding) ...    "Blondie"
there looks good, all right -- and I'm sure the REST of the iceberg does, TOO -- but never
in a million YEARS would I even THINK about approaching, much less "picking up", ANY of
those chunks of ice ... I am, and always have been, just WAY too timid for that ...

Do ya think that negates any chance of success with RW through OTHER venues?

Kevin