how young is too young?

[Eduard]

No bs from me, jack. This is one gift you possess where you rightfully deserve the first place and the grand prize. Like most MOB agencies you are trying to sell the myth that many RW are looking for older men, which ain't the case in my experience Sure, there are always exceptions, but I'm talking in general.  You sell older men on the idea that there are plenty of young girls in their 20s in Ukraine who would be interested in marriage to them so obviously you are not happy with me posting an opinion that contradicts that. I took a look at another 7 or 8 profiles that you provided links to as examples of 25 yo women looking for older men. They were ALL either spam promoting some other web site (a few of them were already deleted by mamba staff by the time I opened the links) or they were girls looking for a sponsor, basically offering sex for money. In the past you posted on RUA that you recruit some of the women on local Russian sites like Mamba for your "socials". For the sake of your clients I sincerally hope that these are not the type of women you bring to your socials and introduce them to.

You were correct in another post where you wrote that you've been in this business for a long time, since the time when I was still married to my AW wife. You also have been on this forum for years. Surely you must have plenty of happily married former clients, some of them RWD or RUA members? Rather than keep picking on a humble guy like me who "doesn't know anything" about Russia, Ukraine and the women who live there, why not focus your efforts on pointing people to the thread on this forum where all your happily married clients give their recommendations and feedback on how using your service helped them marry a great RW/UW? I think that would be a lot more productive, no?

And jack, when I came on RWD I haven't addressed you, haven't said a word about you, basically I was doing my thing letting you do yours. "Live and let live" kind of thing, you know? Every one can see that you are the one who started this...hmmm what should I call it? Effort to discredit me? One smart fellow on RUA told you when you did the same thing there that "When you kick sand at another man, you only loose ground". Great advice IMO!

[OlgaH]

 
eduard I attempted to show you, since you had NEVER seen such, that their were indeed good and sincere women of 25 on Russian personal sites who were seeking men over 40.

In the profile you posted in your previous post they very sincerely state what they are looking for and probably they are very good in one-night stand, group sex, virtual sex and satisfying their sponsors (who can be not only man but a woman too).   

[jaguar34]

wow, look at what i started? well i thank everyone who responded with their opinions, knowledge and information. i will take all of it under consideration. again, i thank you all

[khelkhov]

In the profile you posted in your previous post they very sincerely state what they are looking for and probably they are very good in one-night stand, group sex, virtual sex and satisfying their sponsors (who can be not only man but a woman too).   

That's exactly what I was thinking when I was reading all of those profiles that Jack has posted...  It really turned me off so much when I looked at all of those sex preferences on those profiles that Jack was posting. 

I was thinking... why the hell that real ladies would want to open up to the public/"online world" about her sex preferences???  It is really a private matter...  This tells me a lot about Jack's business focus of "selling" prostitutes to older men.  So, I have learned that I won't do any business with Jack at all! 

I am here to look for a real wife that I want to spend my life with, NOT those girls looking for one night sex...   

[Eduard]

wow, look at what i started? well i thank everyone who responded with their opinions, knowledge and information. i will take all of it under consideration. again, i thank you all

Jaguar, I am very sorry that you had to witness this ugliness (one services provider attacking and trying to discredit another) on your thread, particularly you, being a new member to the forum. Regretfully, jack has done this to me before on RUA forum, from which he is now banned. I personally apologise to you that in spite of my passed experience with jack's behaviour I felt compelled to respond to his accusations. I should have known better. A forum member gave me a good advice in regard to dealing with jack: "Eduard, don't wrestle the pig. You both get dirty but the pig enjoys it." I think I will take that advice and ignore jack from now on.
Again, I'm so sorry, Jaguar.
Eduard

[IAmZon]

I just scanned (fast ) the stuff between Ed and Jack.  I like both guys, both have more info in their respective theaters than I ... but, hey, I might have something helpful to say on the age old question, "How young is too young"

Who is asking and why is part of the problem, and solution - if there actually is a problem in the first place.

Are you a man that is TRYING to feel younger; TRYING to enjoy that which time has rightly passed on by?  I will be honest and say that I was such a guy.  I was BLOWN AWAY that dating women 20 years younger was possible (actually, after 13 years of a "so so" marriage I should was amazed to see dating sexually active women existed.  Such things make men feel alive and full of energy.  That is the way it is.  It is intoxicating, and can make an otherwise balanced / mature  man go completely bat s$it. 

How young is too young?  When the benefits of being with a physically attractive young women does not exceed the pain caused by a lack of interest, intelligence, or commonality in conversation and company.  Although most men think with their eyes, the "newness" of physical beauty does not last long in almost every case.  There is some truth behind the saying that when you see a beautiful women, there exists a man that has already grown bored with her beauty. 

What I saying, in a slightly different way, is beauty is only skin deep.  And age is only a number.  I wish we could blame the online dating sites for making it more of an issue than it is ... but, that would be a gross oversimplification.

[JohnDearGreen]

Hi all,
i have a question. i have been on a dating site and i have a big age gap of women who show interest in me from age of 20-46, i am 45. i want to know how young should i consider? i do not want to get involved with some 20 year old hottie and find she is just looking for a green card to the states. but i also do not want to miss a 20 year old hottie who might be serious. see my quandary?
thanks

Jag:

The age range x to y in the profile is not of great importance.
P(x) and P(y) are the important values to consider, where P(x)
is the probability that a lady of age x might have a serious
interest in you.  Perhaps P(20)=2%, P(30)=20%, and P(40)=70%

Consider how much time you want to spending searching and play
the appropriate odds.  Then after you find her, you have to
consider the F(z) formula which is the probability that she will
be happy with you after you bring her home.

[Vinnvinny]

My view is that if I marry a lady from my home town then there's a 50%+ chance we'll be walking in opposite directions before too long (my record on that front is impeccable), so I might as well marry a young un and enjoy myself in the process ..... the end result is likely to be the same. 

[Jumper]

My view is that if I marry a lady from my home town then there's a 50%+ chance we'll be walking in opposite directions before too long (my record on that front is impeccable), so I might as well marry a young un and enjoy myself in the process ..... the end result is likely to be the same. 

 


Thanks for the honesty and the laugh vinny..




khlekov,

 If  RW posting openly thier sexual preferences on  a  singles site like mamb.ru (singles.ru)
bothers you, or you find it surprising,
 then the FSU is may not  a good choice in places to look for a partner.
it is a different culture, it is more open about such topics,and  such sites when compared
to something similar like match.com , can show some differences in even the  *questionaire stylings" in making up a profile.


To infer jack 's some kind of pimp selling prostitutes to old men ,
from a few random mamba.ru profiles , not taken or given in context ,
is more than a bit over the top.


In the context of this thread: how young is too young-
I've known jack for many years..
if anything he actively discourages older men from chasing very young women for marriage.
Also if any older client brought up those particular profiles (good or bad)
as someone they wanted to meet ,he would try his best to discourage  the guy from meeting her ,and introduce instead to someone more likely to be sincerely interested in the man for marriage.
 


 

[Misha]

I am here to look for a real wife that I want to spend my life with, NOT those girls looking for one night sex...   

Do you really think that all young RW are saints  As AJ rightly states, there are all types of women in Russia (as there are in the USA and Europe). Some are looking for a one-night-stand and pretty much everything else. Yet others are looking for sponsors. The trick is to simply know how to separate the wheat from the chaff.

[TheTraveler]

If any guy older than 33 found a 20 year old that he married and lived happily ever after with, I want this guy to buy my next lotto tickets.

I don't dispute the general consensus here, but there are exceptions to every rule.

My wife was 19 when we first met (I was 36).  When we were married 1.5 years later, she was 20 and I was 37.

We've been happily married for almost 9 years and have three kids.

But I'm afraid the answer is an emphatic 'no'... I'm not going to be buying everyone on this site's lotto tickets!   

[JR]

My view is that if I marry a lady from my home town then there's a 50%+ chance we'll be walking in opposite directions before too long (my record on that front is impeccable), so I might as well marry a young un and enjoy myself in the process ..... the end result is likely to be the same. 

I seem to recall that the first time marriage divorce rate is something like 50%. The second time divorce rate is 80%. The third time is 90%+. That's marriage to a local woman in your age range.  Now throw in a cross culture and age gap and I think those were somewhere around 80%. Add all that up and I think the failure rate comes out to be something like 300% Yeah might as well get one that'll make you happy for oh, say two weeks to three months ))))

[ECOCKS]

That seems a little high. I think it was more like 62+% for 2nd marriages and 70-something % for the 3rd. Those were CDC stats.

[Turboguy]

The divorce rate in America for first marriage, vs second or third marriage
50% percent of first marriages, 67% of second and 74% of third marriages end in divorce, according to Jennifer Baker of the Forest Institute of Professional Psychology in Springfield, Missouri.

According to enrichment journal on the divorce rate in America:
The divorce rate in America for first marriage is 41%
The divorce rate in America for second marriage is 60%
The divorce rate in America for third marriage is 73%


The divorce rate in America for childless couples and couples with children
According to discovery channel, couples with children have a slightly lower rate of divorce than childless couples.

Sociologists believe that childlessness is also a common cause of divorce. The absence of children leads to loneliness and weariness and even in the United States, at least 66 per cent of all divorced couples are childless.

[JR]

I was pulling those number off the top of my head or out of my a$$, probably that latter))) I guess my point is that if error percentages are factored in the difference between second time, home grown divorce rates and age gapped, cross cultural divorce rates aren't significant enough to be worth considering as a deterrent factor. Stats only look from the present backwards and act as an indicator as to what might be a likely outcome withing a given set of circumstances.

Far more dangerous are the unknowns: if you don't know yourself, your potential significant other and the circumstances and situations you'll face together you're likely to become just another number supporting the divorce rate statistics.

[Daveman]

And what the raw numbers don't factor in is that those who fail at the first marriage generally don't learn from their own mistakes, learn how to deal with their own crapola and tend to have repeat performances in the second, and then third... so we're actually dealing to a large extent with a group of shall we say "divorce minded" people so the numbers will be skewed in that direction.  It ain't the marriage number, it's same ole people... no matter where you go, there you are. 

Which brings me back to reASSerting my 90% Idiocy Rule  :evil:

[Turboguy]

Good point Daveman.  I think another factor that comes into play in second marriages is that people often get used to sharing thier life as they did with their first wife and get an empty and lonely feeling and rush into something to fix the problem without really being sure they are making a better choice "this time". 

I think another factor that comes into play is the first time people marry they go in believing with all their heart that it will be for life.  Once you have gone through a divorce you can easlily have more of a "disposable" attitude,  If it doesn't work just get divorced and try again.

[Eduard]

I think another factor that comes into play is the first time people marry they go in believing with all their heart that it will be for life.  Once you have gone through a divorce you can easlily have more of a "disposable" attitude,  If it doesn't work just get divorced and try again.

excellent point, Ray

[joe24]

20 and 45
25 years
Yes, its too much
Its not just about age, there many other factors, like your looks, some people look younger than their age, its about her too and her life, maybe she is tired of meeting local guys who smoke, or drink, or dont have money or good job, or dont have good attitude, it depends on many things
She is too young for you but if you travel there you have nothing to lose by meeting her

[ECOCKS]

How stupid is too stupid?

[erudite]

I knew a man once that jokingly would say: "When they stop getting excited about getting a bicycle, they are too old for me".  LOL.

[rockford75]

What would you have in common with a gal who is 20? Or 20yrs younger then you? Id use common sense and look for a lady closer to your age.

[JR]

Common sense tells you not to travel half way around the world to have a dinner date with a woman you've never seen or spoken to either but guys do it.

This ain't about common sense. Common sense is the first to leave this party))))

[mies]

Hi all,
i have a question. i have been on a dating site and i have a big age gap of women who show interest in me from age of 20-46, i am 45. i want to know how young should i consider? i do not want to get involved with some 20 year old hottie and find she is just looking for a green card to the states. but i also do not want to miss a 20 year old hottie who might be serious. see my quandary?
thanks

if you are physically attractive (slim, toned), intellectually gifted, do not have many "cockroaches in your head" (the russian saying), and financially are doing well - it is very possible you will find a 20+yo genuinely interested in you. How long she will remain interested in you - will depend on how attractive you are and what level of comfort you can offer. It is quite likely that you will become "old toy" in a few years.

[Anotherkiwi]

I'm not on a bride hunt, kievstar, but I do know how to meet quality women in Russia. When I do marry it won't be because I needed a wife, but because I found the woman I want to spend the rest of my life with.

Russia is not limited to the small contorted world of agencies and agency girls and finding a bride is not the only reason to go to Russia.

Although I've looked at this forum occasionally in the past, I've only now decided to join.  And although this is a perennial question, which has probably been done to death on every forum dealing with FSU women, I agree that 20 is too young for the average 45 year old, no matter what he looks like.

Would you consider marrying one of your daughter's friends?  That's realistically the equivalent of the zillions of emails or video-chat invitations that all of us who are looking get from these red-hotties (normally from Ukraine).  No matter how much you fancy your chances with Sarah or Lucy, who has slept over at your place a hundred times since the girls were five years old, do you seriously think that any relationship is going to last more than a few years at best?  You may be really lucky and it does, but the alternative, of course, is to say "To hell with it" and take your chances that you'll have a few years of fantastic sex before she dumps you .

I'm in my early fifties, divorced for 20 years (no children), and have been to Russia twice (the last trip including Ukraine), the second time being a few months ago.  Both times I went to meet someone about ten years younger than me - unfortunately neither worked out, but that's the nature of the beast.  It hasn't put me off from trying again at some stage.  One who is writing to me at the moment is 28 - from my point of view she is probably ten years (at least) too young, but she insists that she is serious and that the age gap is no problem.  As she's a former beauty queen I should feel flattered (I'm just your average guy to look at), but I've told her she'll need to prove just how serious she is before I'd even think about any relationship.  I'm not after children in my future, so I would be quite happy with someone in their 40s or maybe even my own age if they ticked all the right boxes.

I agree with Jooky - if I get married, it will be to the woman I want to spend the rest of my life with.  In the meantime, I've had two great holidays in a part of the world I might never seriously have considered visiting if it weren't for the chance of meeting that extra-special someone.