Review/Critique/Roast of HRB/RLM

[Jooky]

That would leave only Jooky and me, and we would not send flowers to each other.

Awww... I'll send you flowers.

 

[tim 360]

I don't think HRB can afford to do away with the paid soft porn chatters and I bet they are a big part of the revenue stream which goes hand in hand with reminding the dim-witted guys to buy their chatter, flowers, perfume, English lessons etc.  Whatever HRB can squeeze out of the fools and I bet they have plenty of regular customers who keep buying credits.  The girls keep the guys buying credits and HRB keeps making $$$ every minute she keeps him chatting.  Buy some flowers with your credits.  Buy the girl a Lexus.

TomT:  your investigation and recommendation of HRB is pathetic.  Can't get enough lipstick on this pig.  How can you recommend a service you never even used?  Shame on you and your pal Manny for recommending them here.  Any other sof core porn sites you 2 recommend please do on your own forum.

Where is that CEO?  He's too busy counting the money from the suckers.

[Faux Pas]

Russian Flora and other gift shops send out similar mails, without getting slammed for it.

I meant to respond to this shadow. Yes Russian Flora bombards me with emails and spam as well as 100s or 1000s of other legitimate businesses. Often, I will even look at them and on occasion partake. I was and still am a pretty good customer to them but, the difference is they don't have young hotties showing me their hooters and needing my CC# to webchat.  

[facetrock]

  Remember stories from the old west. The snake oil salesman that sold an elixer that could cure anything? I guess they didnt dissapear with time.
   Its kind of ironic that CEO was over at RUA trolling for investors( his own admission) for a new venture where a person could possibly make 250k per month with very little work. TomT gets a free trip to Florida and comes back a changed man who has seen the light.
  Tom if you think I am the only one here who thinks you are now investing or thinking of investing I have news for you and its all bad. Your defence of HRB borders on the bizarre. Give it up already and either admit your now biased and if I am wrong go seek counseling.

Shadow I admit my profile was so bad NO WOMAN would want anything to do with me. I specifically stated I was looking for a woman who would consent to being my houskeeper and slave. I wanted a woman who would give all her attention to me and follow my orders 100 percent of the time. Also she had to be willing live with a man who had spincter problems in bed while sleeping. I also made it clear she had to be into bald, obese, Yiddish speaking Muslims guys with bad body odor.  I hit the the jackpot at HRB. Not one girl in all the letters I recieved ever mentioned any of my shortcomings. The letters spoke of lonelisness and heartbreak. Of the lack of good men in Russia. Of how my profile without a picture appealed to their heart and of course love. Blah blah blah on and on and on it went. I was smitten. Plus they were all young and beautiful. But alas, I was kicked off.
 
My advice is this. If you are like the above man HRB is for you. Hundreds upon hundreds of beautiful young sweet things must be willing and ready to change your diaper at HRB and obey your commands. Otherwise why would they write to you and tell you your profile appealed to them.

CEO, I am sorry I wasnt quite truthful in my profile. I think I proved a point though. Would you please activate my acount. Pretty please.

TomT , Manny, Shadow. Get real. Enough already.
 

[Jumper]

He said "Stay tuned."  I am here.  His heart may be in the right place, yet implementation is beyond his control. Personally, I don't know what he can do given certain parameters.  If I were CEO, I would put a few patches on some holes.  However, I would focus my attention upon improving the stable of women and eliminating the titillating greeters.  However, he knows where his bread is buttered and perhaps needs them.   Just don't expect FP, Jooky, et al to endorse the sleaze element.  

exactly.

  
The naivete shown here in this  is embarrassing frankly.

Do any of you ever think how easy it is, with the almost zero transparency of FSU affiliate *cough* ownership..
to:

1. set up a business model of plausible deniablity as a core.(brilliant that)
2.have any number of FSU affliates you own ,or don't own (who is to really know )
3.have a small front end to the agency in any given  location ,and a block over have a place for lots of workers.
4.Have policies in place and to STRICTLY inforce them, removing FSU affiliates often !!
(what great marketing..   )
yet to be replaced by 800 more tomorow /different names ,same workers)
5.The ease of hiring workers and keeping the quiet in the FSU.
6.have any number of "seeminlgy " competing websites.
7.have independent scam buster sites ,as a marketing tool
8.market to the lowest common demonator (just look at the name of the sites ,and the profile names of the women)  and market specifically to men who will not travel ,man who are  married,men from culture they could not reasonably bring a RW, but would love to chat with one. etc etc etc.
 

I'm not in this business ,but if you don't think i could run something easily like this, and for a very decent profit you are nuts. My big question is what is the the average local *roof* an FSU affiliate typically pays t othier local insurer? lol?

Hey flying  a lower profile in provincial cities,and being very diversified with many very small agecnies vs combined  might be a lower *roof* - higher profit, in the FSU?
vs *here* where naturally combining into a larger agency would be more cost effective.

 just sayin'


They whole premise of this debate is silly.
Many are actually trying to debate whether the US corp offices are naive to what the FSU *cough* affiliates do.

and the irony is who discourages or encourages the scenario ,or the definition of  scam,
 wouldn't matter to a sincere guy that is looking anyway.
it's all the same ,whomever perpetuates it!!

This isn't some slam at only HRB,,all the agencies with this exact business model (and often the same frequent chatters listed) are the same IMHO. and may be co-owned or invested in,   and not be as *competing* as one might assume.


Have fun guys, as GQ alluded , i have no motive or need to prove to anyone that the earth goes around the sun ,not the opposite.

[GQBlues]

GQ, what's happening here is guys like Manny and Tom who got past the phsyt are now encouraging others to step right into it.

Jooky-

I took a position on another similar thread relating to AW. The site have various traps to separate the men from their money. From that vantage point, I use that model as a definition of scam. My opinion about AW's business model is similar to my opinion about HRB's.

But from what I gathered what TomT's contention is for as long as services are rendered as paid i.e. people do in fact get to meet sincere and marry women in the site OR men get to videochat PYTs - then what's the fuzz? To which, I can also agree...

As for CEO trying to 'clean' up the site. Maybe he is, maybe he isn't. Maybe he is except he's just not doing it fast enough according to some of you...but if he in fact did banish one, 10, 100, 1000 spammers and/or scammer despite anyone saying it isn't efficient enough - well, it doesn't negate the fact CEO is doing what he says he's doing.

Some of you recommend Eduard...well, heck, there's a video anyone can easily watch how he endorsed and validated a woman's sincerity to which his client continued to date and nearly filed a K-visa for...only to find out, for lack of a better term, she's listed and dating other men...so yes, he got scammed big time. I can only wonder how many videochats with PYTs that guy could have had at HRB for the money he spent using Eduard for that experience....Yet, folks still recommend his business.

What's the difference?

I won't defend HRB, but looking at this from another vantage point if nothing else, HRB like AW, is a darn good filtering process for sincere women. It got rid of the rift rafts, social misfits, voyeurs and processed through men who maintained a least half a wit by standing behind their convictions.

Face it, some men involved in this process, like those who need to be held by the hand to date a woman for marriage; really has no business being here in the first place. Folks get to watch the movie they got tickets for...

You don't like HRB/AW/EM/Eduard/Jack, Freepersonals, etc...don't use it.

[Jooky]

HRB like AW, is a darn good filtering process for sincere women. It got rid of the rift rafts, social misfits, voyeurs and processed through men who maintained a least half a wit by standing behind their convictions.

How does it get rid of them? They end up getting lured to Russia and Ukraine! Then you get a bunch of 'riff raff' wandering around like lost puppies or getting hooked up with the real desperate Green Card Girls. Next up: more restrictions for everyone else (which I believe is what we're supposed to 'stay tuned' for).

The other sites eliminate the 'riff raff' much better. When a man gets no attention he realizes he's better off sitting at home.

[Faux Pas]

Jooky-

I took a position on another similar thread relating to AW. The site have various traps to separate the men from their money. From that vantage point, I use that model as a definition of scam. My opinion about AW's business model is similar to my opinion about HRB's.

But from what I gathered what TomT's contention is for as long as services are rendered as paid i.e. people do in fact get to meet sincere and marry women in the site OR men get to videochat PYTs - then what's the fuzz? To which, I can also agree...

As for CEO trying to 'clean' up the site. Maybe he is, maybe he isn't. Maybe he is except he's just not doing it fast enough according to some of you...but if he in fact did banish one, 10, 100, 1000 spammers and/or scammer despite anyone saying it isn't efficient enough - well, it doesn't negate the fact CEO is doing what he says he's doing.

Some of you recommend Eduard...well, heck, there's a video anyone can easily watch how he endorsed and validated a woman's sincerity to which his client continued to date and nearly filed a K-visa for...only to find out, for lack of a better term, she's listed and dating other men...so yes, he got scammed big time. I can only wonder how many videochats with PYTs that guy could have had at HRB for the money he spent using Eduard for that experience....Yet, folks still recommend his business.

What's the difference?

I won't defend HRB, but looking at this from another vantage point if nothing else, HRB like AW, is a darn good filtering process for sincere women. It got rid of the rift rafts, social misfits, voyeurs and processed through men who maintained a least half a wit by standing behind their convictions.

Face it, some men involved in this process, like those who need to be held by the hand to date a woman for marriage; really has no business being here in the first place. Folks get to watch the movie they got tickets for...

You don't like HRB/AW/EM/Eduard/Jack, Freepersonals, etc...don't use it.

All good points and a rational position there GQ. I don't think there's much chance of us using HRB. I think (and I may be wrong) what has gotten the goat of some here is the defending of such sites and practices by Manny and TomT and as much or moreso insisting that it's normal and accepted. There's not much doubt posters here won't be using HRB but, honestly, could you look yourself in the mirror knowing you recommended someone to look at HRB to find a wife?

[GQBlues]

They end up getting lured to Russia and Ukraine! Then you get a bunch of 'riff raff' wandering around like lost puppies or getting hooked up with the real desperate Green Card Girls. Next up: more restrictions for everyone else (which I believe is what we're supposed to 'stay tuned' for).

How does anyone know with certainty the 'lured' is any different from those using Mamba, EM, or any other venue? It's all nothing but a crapshoot.

[Jooky]

How does anyone know with certainty the 'lured' is any different from those using Mamba, EM, or any other venue? It's all nothing but a crapshoot.

What would be the motivation for a woman on Mamba to lure a sucker without an agency behind her to profit?

[GQBlues]

What would be the motivation for a woman on Mamba to lure a sucker without an agency behind her to profit?

Jooky-

Your most recent inquiring post suggested 'real desperate Green Card Girls'....not least of which, 'pro' - 'serial' daters, etc...

[GQBlues]

....There's not much doubt posters here won't be using HRB but, honestly, could you look yourself in the mirror knowing you recommended someone to look at HRB to find a wife?

Not sure if this was rhetorical, FP....but in case it isn't, then this is my response....

We all have differing methodology we used that proved to be effective...EM, Mamba, freepersonals, luckylovers, AFA, Romance Tours, etc...

We do so individually simply because it yielded positive results for all of us respectively...

So as a response to your Q, I will ask, how is TomT's recommendation have any less merit than anyone else's?

[Jooky]

Your most recent inquiring post suggested 'real desperate Green Card Girls'....not least of which, 'pro' - 'serial' daters, etc...

I don't get it. What's the connection to Mamba? Mamba isn't a network where Russian women are deliberately looking for foreign dudes.

[GQBlues]

Jooky-

Mamba is part of THE social network made specifically for Ruskies...including those abroad. Some Russ folks even say it was specifically made mostly for ex-pats.

Love.Mail.ru , Love.Rambler.ru , etc...they've been around since 2000 that I am aware of.

[Jooky]

GQ, have you used the network? If some Russ folks say it was specifically for ex-pats, some Russ folks would be wrong.

From experience, the possibility of getting lured by a pro-dater on Mamba is a long long shot. There's no reason for it and I've never heard of it happening. Have you?

A pro-dater etc. is going to go where the business is, some agency.

[GQBlues]

GQ, have you used the network?

Before ever embarking to Russia, one Ukrainian woman I met here in LA told me about it because she said there's where I can find a lot of FSUW in our area. She was right. That was one of the humble beginnings of my experience in this crazy saga.

From experience, the possibility of getting lured by a pro-dater on Mamba is a long long shot.

Again, you are likely speaking from your experience and there's definitely nothing wrong with that. Even if, a big 'if', it was in fact happening to you maybe even without you knowing about it, then it becomes a matter of interpretation again, isn't it? If TomT was met with success through HRB, then....(?)

There's no reason for it and I've never heard of it happening. Have you?

All I can tell you is...this network is huge and there are 'likely' as many, if not more, ex-pats marrying folks from 'home' than there are WMs doing the same. There is an air of 'coolness' believeing that Russian women are making an exception for us, you know...

As for info beyond that, Jooky...as Lt. Shultz often say....'Herr Captain...I know nuthin', nuthin at all!'

[Manny]

Shame on you and your pal Manny for recommending them here. 

Kindly link me to any "recommendation" I made? When you cannot, I'll accept your apology with good grace, Tim.

By the way, Manny did not answer my comment and has not appeared  here since.

Manny has a a wife, two kids, forums to run, several business and a hard drive that needed replacing (again) this morning. 

You'll understand that answering your queries is in the queue Gator.

I am still wiping tears of laughter from my eyes at some of Jooky's -- and a few others -- vacuous truths masquerading as perspicacious observations and deductions.

Carry on.......

[Jooky]

Even if, a big 'if', it was in fact happening to you maybe even without you knowing about it

Trust me, when a gal in Russia offers to foot the bill after dinner, she's no pro-dater.  

If TomT was met with success through HRB, then....(?)

He never even used the site!

All I can tell you is...this network is huge and there are 'likely' as many, if not more, ex-pats marrying folks from 'home' than there are WMs doing the same.

For certain. It's a site for Russians meeting Russians. That's what I'm saying. It's not where Russians go to meet foreigners, even if they're already in a foreign land.

[GQBlues]

Trust me, when a gal in Russia offers to foot the bill after dinner, she's no pro-dater.  

No, of course not. There are other indication fit for the classification nevertheless. But having a woman foot the bill for dinner is hardly impressive these days, wouldn't you say?

For certain. It's a site for Russians meeting Russians. That's what I'm saying. It's not where Russians go to meet foreigners, even if they're already in a foreign land.

Of course 

[Faux Pas]

Not sure if this was rhetorical, FP....but in case it isn't, then this is my response....

It wasn't

We all have differing methodology we used that proved to be effective...EM, Mamba, freepersonals, luckylovers, AFA, Romance Tours, etc...

We do so individually simply because it yielded positive results for all of us respectively...

Not sure I follow you here. Say you have someone you know and are close with, that comes to you for advice. They know your wife. They are impressed with her and how seemingly she completes your life making you a happy fellow. He asks you, "GQ, you have such a wonderful wife and a good life, where could I find a wife as wonderful as her". Do you send him to HRB?

So as a response to your Q, I will ask, how is TomT's recommendation have any less merit than anyone else's?

That answer is no. TomT's has no less merit than anyone else's. I assume Tom has the jumped through the hoops, made the journey and learned some knocks. (assume as I do not know) TomT recommends sifting though a barrage of whores to find good women. If one has the time and inclination to do so, thats good advice, if TomT told him about the whores

[Manny]

TomT recommends sifting though a barrage of whores to find good women. If one has the time and inclination to do so, thats good advice, if TomT told him about the whores

Whores? Is Tom recommending sifting through whores? I must have missed that......

I know you like twisting words, adding content and making recommendations based on zero experience Faux Pas, but whores? A woman who engages in promiscuous sexual intercourse, usually for money; prostitute; harlot; strumpet?

Is it your assertion that these women on HRB are ladies of the night? Can you back up a public statement like that?

[tim 360]

Perhaps it means that HRB/RLM are not a "scam agency" as some quarters of the industry find it convenient to paint them? Perhaps the lack of evidence, and the anti-scam systems in place as discovered by those who visited, were not newsworthy enough to keep repeating. After all, who wants to go around shouting "ABC agency is not so bad after all"? Far easier to repeat a few rumours from some blokes who thought they were "scammed" video chatting with a woman thirty years their junior, which is what happens with many so called "scam" agencies.

The facts often get in the way of the rumours. Many prefer to ignore inconvenient facts and continue to perpetuate rumours. I wonder how many people who howl about "scam" agencies have actually used the agency they caution others not to use.

Some blokes think spending anything over $50 represents being scammed.

Apology?  You jest.

[Faux Pas]

Whores? Is Tom recommending sifting through whores? I must have missed that......

I know you like twisting words, adding content and making recommendations based on zero experience Faux Pas, but whores? A woman who engages in promiscuous sexual intercourse, usually for money; prostitute; harlot; strumpet?

Is it your assertion that these women on HRB are ladies of the night? Can you back up a public statement like that?

Zero experience Manny? Oh have I forgotten again? Damn it, Nobody's experience can triumph Manny's? Or is it I am not credible? Surely, nobody's credibility tops Manny? Bullsh!t.

I have an opinion Manny. Here, my experience, credibility and opinion is just as valid as yours. Kind'a pisses you off don't it?

I haven't twisted anyones words. If you wish to call the bare-breasted girls on HRB with they're shirts off "good Christian girls", wholesome and pure as the driven snow marriage material you go right ahead. Maybe you'd put your daughter to work there?

Now you are parsing words Manny. If you wish to continue to defend such practices, please go right ahead but your attempt at white washing it has failed. Selling sex chat with bare-breasted women (whores) is whoring not marriage brokering

[Gator]

Awww... I'll send you flowers.

 

That sounds as if I need to protect my tailpipe from a heat seeking missile.

[GQBlues]

Not sure I follow you here. Say you have someone you know and are close with, that comes to you for advice. They know your wife. They are impressed with her and how seemingly she completes your life making you a happy fellow. He asks you, "GQ, you have such a wonderful wife and a good life, where could I find a wife as wonderful as her". Do you send him to HRB?

FP-

If I had met my wife through HRB, then of course I'd recommend that guy to use HRB. Just like I recommend EM these days, despite my apprehension, because it is what I used and where I met my wife. That was the point I was making....