compare and contrast--HRB/AWEB versus two legitimate agencies

[Faux Pas]

I have never used HRB so I can’t comment on them with my own experiences.    If I had I would already posted something about them.  Yes my experiences are before the chat feature all of that is already stated.  About the 400 I have already stated my experiences it wasn’t current.  I had left that site a couple of years ago. But yes I did find 400 a week to be an exaggeration. Nowhere did I say I was well informed.  I am only stating my experiences and correctly Rubiconne.  A 350 difference a week is too much an exaggeration.  One person’s profile will have more qualities then another person but that seems too large for me.  About the flowers if you are going to post something post it correctly.  I might at as well say that Belarus is in South America or there have been a total of 59899 presidents in the USA.  Besides the 400 all the other statements I had said you can’t argue with it which he made many mistakes on. 

I have never joined Aweb. I "believe" I visited the site once early in my interest East. I can't say what goes on there or what doesn't. Prior to a recent thread on this forum I had never visited HRB. As a result of that thread I was compelled to go to HRB and join.

 I am married to a RW and was not looking to find another, just to see for myself what HRB was about. I posted a fictitious profile with no picture. I set up a email account specifically to monitor the number of emails. I had over 100 emails within the first 24 hours and slightly less than 800 10 days later. I never opened or answered a single one. So yes, it's not only possible, its highly likely. Why I had that many I have no idea. I can only assume they use some software detections where they may find a fish.

I spent my initial 50 credits which cost me $30 bucks within one hour on web cam chats. As soon as I logged in the chat requests came and never stopped. I do not recall one second where there was not some young hottie requesting chat. Again, I am relatively sure there is a software to send chat request to anyone who happens to be online. I have no proof of this  just a feeling. There is/was no reasonable explanation for all these young gals wanting to chat with me other than using my credits. I purposely left the profile vague and stating my real age of 49.

Why am I stating this here? Because I understand Aweb and HRB is very much the same business model. It's not actually there to find a wife or does not facilitate finding a wife. It facilitates removing one from their money. If you happen to find a wife there, you turned an inside straight. Go to Vegas. It can happen but the house is against it

FWIW

[knighta]

Reading these replies it seems the 400+ is more normal for some than others.  Perhaps the people who I know and I are an ugly duckling. 

[Faux Pas]

Reading these replies it seems the 400+ is more normal for some than others.  Perhaps the people who I know and I are an ugly duckling. 

I really don't know why I received that many. There was nothing I did to or intended to do to justify it. If I were looking I would have been very suspicious. Seemed like a classic case of overkill to me  

[Jumper]

Reading these replies it seems the 400+ is more normal for some than others.  Perhaps the people who I know and I are an ugly duckling. 

As i already stated,your info might simply be old?
don't make it personal?  or claim others are exaggerating?
he did seem to intend  it was letters and chat requests.. but simply 400 letters is pretty normal for a week.If anything low.It really is nothing to get anywhere from a  100 to 350 replies there in a day..initally
and just as many or more chat requests.This may taper off over time ..

Regardless a BLANK profile would pull that many letters and chat requests now, and routinely does.
It has been tried, and I just told you how many chat request by simply opening my browser to there,
so  do the math .1440 minutes in a day 7 requests in just over 3 minutes ,not at a peak time. and NO profile.
So even VERY conservative  estimates puts you over  1,000 chat requests in 24 hours.
the amount of letters is less ,but not much.
You seem adamant your experince is routine  ,while most everyone elses that has reported in here,is different
and has been consistant.If you are interested sign up, post no photo at all,  and see?
Otherwise it's relatively  safe to assume few here have any reason to state anything other than thier actual experience ,just like you?

 I believe the bulk of their customers are men that are simply there to chat ,never intend to travel ,certianly don't intend to marry ,as many already are, and for the most part are open about that with the women.
 Overall you are taking rubicon to task over some details, yet he is  reporting his experiences, which are fairly typical and accurate for a man signing up there now.

Stating these type big agencies are a second middleman in the scenario, and the experience is quite different in dealing with them verses directly with a decent local agency, 
is in no way the same as saying belarus is in south america..?
 
if he was comparing Charles Manson, to someone who was caught jaywalking ,but spelled helter skelter incorrectly , pointing out he was wrong in some minor detail ,
wouldn't  change the basics that there is a big difference.
 

[Rubicon]

No I was asking a legitimate question.  I have used Aweb before and I haven't had an account for a couple and yes I met a couple of these girls and they do exist.  I met my fiance here.

Here Kuna this is for you. You need it more than I do.  

Wanted to add I believe it was Kievstar who used Aweb website to meet his now wife and he didn't pay a dime.
Here is a trip report from Muckraker http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=1976.0

She had written to me six months earlier via Anastasiaweb, and we had been corresponding and speaking on the telephone consistently since that time (she speaks English).  Later on in the thread Oxana went to the Naturalization oath ceremony today, and traded in her green card for her Certificate of Naturalization on the spot so now she is a US citizen.

knighta--you don't have a clue who Muckraker is??  than why did you post a link to his trip report here.  and why do you speak about Oxana as if she is your girlfriend??  she is married and has children with Muckraker.  what kind of a nutjob are you??  you have a fiance, in your deluded fantasy??

[knighta]

knighta--you don't have a clue who Muckraker is??  than why did you post a link to his trip report here.  and why do you speak about Oxana as if she is your girlfriend??  she is married and has children with Muckraker.  what kind of a nutjob are you??  you have a fiance, in your deluded fantasy??

Here this is for you  You seriously need it.

When did I ever say Oxana is my girlfriend?  Quote me.  This is was all what Muckraker had written if you had actually read the thread. 

She had written to me six months earlier via Anastasiaweb, and we had been corresponding and speaking on the telephone consistently since that time (she speaks English).  Later on in the thread Oxana went to the Naturalization oath ceremony today, and traded in her green card for her Certificate of Naturalization on the spot so now she is a US citizen.
Why don't you also ask me about Kievstar?  Maybe you think I am him to?  I posted Muckrakers trip report to prove you to Kuna these girls do exist.  I even quoted his post. 

He had written –

Happy paying $190 for sending flowers to a girl who probably doesn't exist???

No wonder so many guys fail to find an honest compatible partner!

The real nutjob is around here is you. 

[Rubicon]

I do not have a clue who Muckraker nor did I know he used Brad Pitt.

You stated you are bombarded with 400 letters and chat requests ea. wk .  I and other people who I know received nowhere near this.  So once again damn you must make Brad Pitt look like the hunchback of Notre Dame.  I also was never part of the chat requests as I left this agency before this happened.  Additionally my amount per week was maybe 50 with the exception of when I first joined then it was a tad higher.   My fiancé prefers me to not be clean shaven.  She has seen me in person with and without being shaved. Actually I did my research what I have stated is all true. 

You weren’t elegant, you were rude.  Sounds to me like you pull facts out your ass especially when I have to correct you. 
You stated in your first post - cost of 11 flowers $200.00 or more.  Aweb is cheaper than this.  There was no mention of anything related to chocolate whatsoever about chocolate for Aweb.  If you are going to post something post it correctly.  If you had posted something like cost of 11 flowers plus chocolates $200.00 or more you would be right but you didn’t so you were wrong.  I guess you can’t admit when you are wrong.   
You stated large middlemen agencies they are located in USA.  Yes , however Aweb also has offices in Russia.  14/10 Tatarskaya Ulitsa, Moscow, Russia. 
You stated cannot obtain owners names of the agencies.  Actually their names are David and Elena Besuden.  I guess you missed this to.  You seem to miss a lot of things.  Here it is from their website - Our owners, David and Elena Besuden met in 1992 through an introduction service and were married that same year.  http://www.anastasiaweb.com/Default.aspx?page=About But you actually got something right you can’t obtain their contact info.  Would you like a cookie or maybe a gold star?
You stated  agencies in Ukraine come and go and stated on the other side of the column  in business for many yrs and there to stay.  For Aweb has existed since 1993 looks like they have been in business for many years and are they are here to stay to. 
You should follow your advice - do a little bit of research before acting incredulous.  I did my research yet you seem to not to. 

I received 548 unsolicited letters, and over 280 unsolicited requests for chat, all within a week (7 days).  others here have had similar results.

you only received 50 letters??  you must be uglier than the backside of the world's ugliest hairless dog--yeah that one.

knighta, you are not only extremely rude, you are ignorant stubborn and stupid.  

the universal standard for comparisons is apple to apple.  if you think you are qualified to adopt a new universal standard, good luck with that.  the prices I quoted about Aweb versus the other agencies are correct.

the office you list in Moscow is an operations center, it is not a feeder agency.  probably 90 percent of Awebs women come from Ukraine.  do you really think that 10,000 plus women are going to travel from Ukraine to go to register at the office in Moscow??  (what a moron you are).  the primary purpose of the office in Moscow is for the staff to photoshop girls photos, and for the large staff of interpreters, who are there 24/7.  

Aweb states on their website they have over 1,000.00 feeder agencies, and no, you cannot have their names, addresses or owners names.  most of these feeder agencies are in Ukraine.

David and Elena Besuden were divorced many years ago.  she left him for a much younger man (big surprise).  her name is now Elena Sykes.  they do NOT live in Moscow near the operations center there.  Elena Sykes lives in Maine.  David Besuden is from Kentucky, where Aweb was originally started.  by the way, the Maine better business bureau rates Anastasia Web ENTIRELY UNSATISFACTORY, based on high quantity of complaints.  

if you want to read a report about their "romance" tour in Odessa Ukraine (more likely should be called the "prostitution" tour) read--"from Russia without love--Odessa Globe"

now, I am getting tired of correcting you and pointing out your many errors.  since you seem to miss the point of the comparison entirely, just go ahead and continue to do business with Aweb.  a fool and his money are soon parted!!

[Daveman]

Before we traverse this path farther (or further, depending upon perspective), why don't we take the time to define "nutjob"?  Sounds like it could be fairly kinky...  :evil:  just want to eliminate potential ambiguity from the thread before you collective "nutjobs" really get outta hand.  

[Rubicon]

Reading these replies it seems the 400+ is more normal for some than others.  Perhaps the people who I know and I are an ugly duckling. 

yeah, just maybe. as well as stubborn and ignorant.

[Rubicon]

Before we traverse this path farther (or further, depending upon perspective), why don't we take the time to define "nutjob"?  Sounds like it could be fairly kinky...  :evil:  just want to eliminate potential ambiguity from the thread before you collective "nutjobs" really get outta hand.  

psyche case.  he refers to Oxana as if she is his girlfriend, when in fact Oxana is married and has children with Muckraker.

[Daveman]

psyche case.  he refers to Oxana as if she is his girlfriend, when in fact Oxana is married and has children with Muckraker.

Well, I didn't go back and read the quoted thread again, but I took that as him quoting the words of Muckraker, who was actually doing the writing as if it were his girlfriend.

That being said, I certainly cannot agree that A-web should be a first choice for someone seriously seeking a partner.  Sure, anything is possible, but as AJ stated (and Faux Pas verified), there are simpler mazes to navigate.

[knighta]

psyche case.  he refers to Oxana as if she is his girlfriend, when in fact Oxana is married and has children with Muckraker.

Can't read can you?  Read post 30 again.  When did I ever say Oxana is my girlfriend?  Quote me.

[Rubicon]

by the way, Aweb now claims to be processing 600,000 letters EACH DAY!!  at their cut of let's say $2 or $3 each letter, do you think they really care that the letters are not usually written by the women themselves, but by the local feeder agencies in Ukraine and Russia??  do the math, that is A LOT of money.  600k times 30 for a month.  plus fees for phone conversations, chat, and extremely expensive gifts.

has anyone here seen a photo of a women who was photoshoped by Aweb, but not by another agency.  very scary.  the girl I found on Aweb had flawless skin, whereas in real life she had very bad acne.  recommend contacting Kevin the owner of Kherson girls for a report of his trip to their Moscow office.

and read the fine print.  Aweb admits in the fine print that the first letters are sent by the feeder agencies, and not by the girl herself.  they do not however admit that the letters are form letters, when in fact most of them are.

[knighta]

I created a new Aweb account to test your theory of 400 letters and chat requests three days ago and I received six letters and zero chat requests so it baffles me what AJ had written he did seem to intend  it was letters and chat requests.. but simply 400 letters is pretty normal for a week.If anything low.It really is nothing to get anywhere from a  100 to 350 replies there in a day..initally and
Regardless a BLANK profile would pull that many letters and chat requests now, and routinely does.  So by using his method of a blank profile I get quite different results.  So again six letters and zero chat requests in three days.  Maybe the next four days I will have 400.  Yeah right. 
You stated in your first post - cost of 11 flowers $200.00 or more It is $190 and you are calling me stupid?  $200 does not equal $190.  $190 = $190.  I might as well say 50 cents = one billion dollars with your logic.
You are talking me still be in business with Aweb?  Learn to read post #21 - I also was never part of the chat requests as I left this agency before this happened.   So how can am I doing business this with them?
So once again I have to correct your sorry ass. 

[knighta]

yeah, just maybe. as well as stubborn and ignorant.

Quit looking in the mirror you are going to crack it.

[Rubicon]

Can't read can you?  Read post 30 again.  When did I ever say Oxana is my girlfriend?  Quote me.

you did not put the qoute in quotation marks, therefore the qoute looks as if you are making it for yourself.  be more careful with these things to avoid confusion!!

[knighta]

you did not put the qoute in quotation marks, therefore the qoute looks as if you are making it for yourself.  be more careful with these things to avoid confusion!!

Not my problem you didn't read his thread.

[Daveman]

The thread is temporarily locked...while this back and forth is exceedingly amusing, and does have high entertainment value, let's get it back on the topic, discuss the posts (not the poster) and see if we can have an actual Civil Discourse, click me to find out how... it's a decent topic.



Topic unlocked again... Welcome back to the discussion.

[facetrock]

What the hell??   A pissing match and I'm not part of it!!!

[knighta]

The thread is temporarily locked...while this back and forth is exceedingly amusing, and does have high entertainment value, let's get it back on the topic, discuss the posts (not the poster) and see if we can have an actual Civil Discourse, click me to find out how... it's a decent topic.



Topic unlocked again... Welcome back to the discussion.

You might as well lock it permanently. 

[Vaughn]

On Aweb I did 11 red roses $15 each came up to $165 then the delivery with the photo was $25 for a total of $190.  Where is the extra $10 coming from?

knighta, before it's locked for posterity - care to explain the point of your question? Was it not simply asked to incite?

[knighta]

knighta, before it's locked for posterity - care to explain the point of your question? Was it not simply asked to incite?

Not at all as I said previously I was asking a legitimate question and also inciting was never my intention.  I wanted to know how he came up with the wrong price.  It was just a simple question.

[Vaughn]

I wanted to know how he came up with the wrong price.

Therein lies the problem that you seemingly felt justified to accuse Rubicon of pulling numbers out of his "ass"....

The price was never wrong - he actually understated his expenditure of $210. OK, OK - apples and oranges.
The point was Mordinson's - or whoever - charged less. The fact that you met your fiance through the higher
priced entity - well, dude, it appears you are taking his insinuation as a personal affront, and will nitpick to make
some profound point that few care about. What I would care about is your own positive experience with  A-Web or whomever.

[knighta]

Therein lies the problem that you seemingly felt justified to accuse Rubicon of pulling numbers out of his "ass"....

The price was never wrong - he actually understated his expenditure of $210. OK, OK - apples and oranges.
The point was Mordinson's - or whoever - charged less. The fact that you met your fiance through the higher
priced entity - well, dude, it appears you are taking his insinuation as a personal affront, and will nitpick to make
some profound point that few care about. What I would care about is your own positive experience with  A-Web or whomever.

Besides the point he should have put in the correct price.  Also he incited all of this. 


Look at #18 of my past posts.

[facetrock]

  I thought I argued about some silly stuff here. Wern't you guys only a few bucks apart on your prices? Does it really matter what the price of tea is in China?