Advice for The Natural

[Kapitanleutnant]

Here is a letter I received from an "Olya" I had written to a few days ago.    Apparently, what the scammers do is get you to send your private email and then they scatter that email about to all their other "Fat Yuri's" and this was the result.....

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Hello XXXXXX;)

Do  not be surprised that stranger wrote this letter to you!
Well,  not a stranger since we talked a little on the dating
site.    As you already know my name is Olya And I hope
to know each other better.

I  will  not write a long letter to you... But I want you to
know... I believe in love... I just know that it exists! And
I sincerely hope to find it...

When  I  meet  you... I felt that something changed in me...
And  I  told  my  mom  about  you    She  told  me that my
grandmother  had the gift of the predictions... And she told
my  mom  that  her  daughter will find happiness outside her
home  country!  What  I  will  marry with a man from another
country   and  he  will  show  me  world  and  I'll  be  his
princess...  He  will  be real man and present me real love!
And this marriage will be strong and happy... My mom did not
think  about  this serious but after I told her about you...
She believed in the gift of my grandmother...

And  I'm looking for my soul mate... I'm looking for my man!
And  I  know  that  it goes somewhere... to communicate with
others  people...  but  he is not happy as I am... And he is
looking for his soul mate... he is looking for me!

If you understand me... And if the word "LOVE" is not just a
word for you... I'm waiting for your letter... Maybe you are
my  other  half... Maybe that's me you're looking for during
all  your  life...  Please tell me more about yourself. Your
likes,  dislikes,  interests  and  hobbies. Of course I also
want to know your views on life!

I  send  you  my  photos.  I hope you like it My favorite
season   is  summer  But it is winter now... and I really
want  warmth and sun... So, I want to present you a piece of
summer... and I send you my summer photos

Love makes miracles... Remember about this...

Waiting for your reply!
Olya

[The Natural]

Ai ai Kapitan, you have it made, congratulations on your new love 

[Faux Pas]

Kapitan

That is an excellent example of a first one of course the next ten are just rinse and repeat 

Roy thats what some of us OMBs do. Dispense advice like candy. Doesn't mean we're right but we always have a 50% chance  of being right  . Actually, helping just one sincere guy make his way and find a sincere woman is akin to finding a speck of gold in a raging river. And we do it for the same reasons, because you are there.

[Kapitanleutnant]

Wow......

As I traverse the whole process of this RW dating, it has become a stark realization that it's a complete and total "Minefield" out there.     

I do think there are some women who are genuinely looking for a nice guy as I've seen from this  forum, but the more I dig down into this.... it almost seems insurmountable.     

I've come to yet another conclusion....  Emails are probably 6% effective from all the ones you might send... and certainly if you receive one from an unsolicitied woman, chances are even greater it's a scam, as referenced by my letter a few posts above.   

Seems the only real way to do this whole thing is to just go to a city or two, have an agency in mind knowing they will try to swindle you....some more than others.... but it's the only real way without just simply showing up on the streets of a FSU city and trying to pick up a woman.   

Kinda sounds like I'm becoming cynical here.     I've found so many websites but all are just too good to be true.   

K

[Patagonie]

you are not cynical Kapitan
you met the logical finding.
The rate of answer is for example of 5% for 200 letters sent.
How do you manage the four on ten you prefer ? Knowing one is living ŕ Kiev, one another at Moscow, and other at Tomsk and the last at Barnaul ?
And knowing that the chance of chemistry is no more than 20 % ? Hoping on those four none are scammer or prodater.
With people who send you letters it's worse. A lot of course are scammers, in particular on EM those who send you an private email at first letter and don't come again on EM. And if you find the traditionnal "Yours Tatyana" "Yours Olga" Yours XXXX" you can be pretty sure it's a scammer.
But with little exercise you detect them easily.
And here we don't speak about the MOB business, wich is the worst to communicate and the best to loose your time and your money.
Kapitan is right the field is hardly a minefield. And it's a minefield before you go to the east and when you are in the country. (pro-dater, dishonest agencies).
So Kapitan i'm really not fo far from you are say :
"Seems the only real way to do this whole thing is to just go to a city or two,"
I agree. No letter, no time wasted, no disappointement before the travel. No fantasy. No risk. Money saved for the travel.
Patagonie

[The Natural]

I got the web-camera today, installed it and Skype. So now I'm ready to talk with the woman in the Crimea. Now, what to wear in front of the camera? A suit (or is that going overboard a bit?), black pants and a t-shirt? Or just go with my traditional topless look?

What do you think Aloe 

No problem with this camera in a dark room though.

[Aloe]

I got the web-camera today, installed it and Skype. So now I'm ready to talk with the woman in the Crimea. Now, what to wear in front of the camera? A suit (or is that going overboard a bit?), black pants and a t-shirt? Or just go with my traditional topless look?

What do you think Aloe 

No problem with this camera in a dark room though.

Wear what you wear normally. The idea after all is for you to get to know the real each other But if you normally go topless, then definitely wear something Something you wear.. normally.. and not something that you only wear once a year :PPP

[Aloe]

Of course i'm assuming that what you wear normally isn't a 10 yr old t-shirt with holes in it.. Needs to be something that looks clean and neat

[The Natural]

Hehe, I will have black pants and a clean, undamaged t-shirt.

[Muzh]

What if she shows up topless?

[The Natural]

Then I'll come back to you with a "Houston, we have a problem".

[Muzh]

LMAO

Ever considered "Meet me at five?"

[Daveman]

Wow......

As I traverse the whole process of this RW dating, it has become a stark realization that it's a complete and total "Minefield" out there. 

Not really.  I think, and this is only my opinion, that while yes, there are certain aspects of which to be aware, it's more like a minefield where the explosives give major clues as to location. They're easily avoided if one doesn't run around wearing a blindfold.    

I do think there are some women who are genuinely looking for a nice guy as I've seen from this  forum, but the more I dig down into this.... it almost seems insurmountable. 

I've come to yet another conclusion....  Emails are probably 6% effective from all the ones you might send... and certainly if you receive one from an unsolicitied woman, chances are even greater it's a scam, as referenced by my letter a few posts above.   

Seems the only real way to do this whole thing is to just go to a city or two, have an agency in mind knowing they will try to swindle you....some more than others.... but it's the only real way without just simply showing up on the streets of a FSU city and trying to pick up a woman.   

Kinda sounds like I'm becoming cynical here.     I've found so many websites but all are just too good to be true.   

K

What you wrote above would really depend on the sites you're fishing.  I have had zero problems with response rates or finding sincere ladies.  Try fishing a different pond.  Again, if not wearing a blindfold, your more realistic problem will be that two sincere people will meet and not like each other, or initially like each other but over time realize they cannot live with each other.  Typical normal meeting and dating only more time consuming and expensive (though be forewarned, there is a certain pressure to get on a marriage fast track in this - do so at your own risk/reward peril).

None of this is rocket science nor new laws of dating physics.  If you meet/encounter say 10 ladies here, only one of them (maybe) will be a great mutual match.  It always has been a numbers game... the more you encounter, the more likely you are to find that match.  Since most are looking for younger, prettier women, the number ratio of meet to potential *real* match (ass opposed to angel face, nice arse, good to go match) changes to a little less in our favor.

Most guys who do this will not wind up marrying a RW - but not because of any lack of sincerity in most of the women.  They have a relationship or two blow up in their faces and give up on RW when in reality those numbers just didn't pan out on that/those bet(s).  Keep at it long enough, make changes where necessary, and anyone will find the woman he wants. 

[Faux Pas]

Then I'll come back to you with a "Houston, we have a problem".

That might be her cry when you show up topless. 


Just be decent and presentable. No wife beater Tees and make sure you have on your least holiest, clean shirt. You're not taking her to the Ballet, you are going to Skype. Act Naturally 

[The Natural]

Just be decent and presentable. No wife beater Tees and make sure you have on your least holiest, clean shirt. You're not taking her to the Ballet, you are going to Skype. Act Naturally 

Yes, uncle Faux, will do!

[SFandEE]

What if she shows up topless?

I have never heard of that happening.  Now that would be quite the story to post.

[AsH]

Join in prehaps?

[Kuna]

Just be decent and presentable. No wife beater Tees and make sure you have on your least holiest, clean shirt. You're not taking her to the Ballet, you are going to Skype. Act Naturally 

... and clean underwear... never forget clean underwear!

 

[chivo]

you wear underwear?

[The Natural]

Time elapsed from when I got the first letter on EM from one gal, until we were talking on Skype message: 3 minutes! Must be a record or close to it.

[Kapitanleutnant]

Silly question....

EM stands for Elena's Models?   I thought they had a good rep but from what I'm reading on this and even a few other posts.... maybe not so much?   

Kapitan

[Muzh]

Silly question....

EM stands for Elena's Models?   I thought they had a good rep but from what I'm reading on this and even a few other posts.... maybe not so much?   

Kapitan

Mon Kapitan:

It is like anything else. If you use your common sense, even AnastasiaWeb can be a great place to find your mate.

[The Natural]

I had a very nice morning. The woman in question, the one from the Crimea that were the first to contact me and that we have shared many e-mails together, did give me her Skype name a couple of days ago. Problem was, there were two that have the same handle, one listed in Russia, the other in Ukraine. I added both of them but didn't know who of them "my" girl is, I figured the one listed as from Ukraine.

Then, all of a sudden this morning, she was online and sent me a message, it was the one listed in Russia. Just a good morning from her and then she rang and we were on Skype live video. I was a little surprised because I figured she was at work, but she didn't start work until noon today. Ukrainian time is just one hour ahead of my time, so that's great.

So we got to talk to each other and it was natural and nice. She talked even better English than she write and is very easy to understand. I found her to be natural and relaxed and asked me questions and answered mine very intelligently, but straightforward. She's also a great looking woman and it was so nice to hear her voice and her laughter.

It's my first live video conversation, but there's one thing that pops up in my mind here. We have exchanged many e-mails and even though she answered all my questions and asked me questions back, it was a little short and, how can I put it, not very specific and that left room for some misunderstanding. Talking with her live was totally different. She was loose in her style and a very easy person to talk to. Her movements, facial expression, her smile and doing a thing like showing me the hot smoke from her cup of coffee was very nice to see. Something that no amount of e-mails can ever do. We talked for an hour and I got to know things I didn’t know from our e-mail correspondence and vice versa.
 
She said something very interesting (well, she said many interesting things), when I asked her in my usual direct way if she has many contacts with other men. She replied yes, but not on Skype. She didn’t quite know why the guys didn’t want to talk live on Skype but figured it was because they are shy.

If I may give some advise to a newbie who is writing e-mails to women they find interesting, then I would say take the next step fairly quickly and go on Skype. Earlier I asked “my” woman if she would like to meet me and she answered that we should talk live on Skype first, to see if we connect. When you talk live you can get to know each other on a new level and if there is chemistry, you can agree to meet in real life which is step 3 and the most important of course.

[Aloe]

The Natural, that's great
I must caution you (and everyone else) against confusing skype chemistry with real life chemistry though. I had chemistry with someone on skype and then no chemistry whatsoever in real life. I think the sense of smell plays a big role in real life chemistry, so just a word of caution

[The Natural]

The Natural, that's great
I must caution you (and everyone else) against confusing skype chemistry with real life chemistry though. I had chemistry with someone on skype and then no chemistry whatsoever in real life. I think the sense of smell plays a big role in real life chemistry, so just a word of caution

No, of course talking live on Skype isn't the same as meeting. But it is a big step up from just exchanging e-mails. The next step then would be to meet.

It's funny you mentioned the sense of smell. I was just thinking about that the other day and thought about asking people here their opinion on the matter as I haven't seen it discussed. But I suppose that theme has also been discussed at one time or another.