Difficulty to get a hot young Russian / Eastern European woman?

[SFandEE]

Most girls whom you can see in clubs will speak at least some English, some will speak moderate to fluent English. so no worries about that. He will have fun (if he is capable to loosen up a bit), he will see women who are delighted about his background, and his accent, and the fact that he is "visiting Ukraine to explore it, to travel, to meet new friends" (if I were Viking, I would not mention I come to meet a wife, it might sound wrong).  and i see no problem in having good time, traveling, meeting new people, and being very popular among local girls
If such trip is too expensive for him - he'll need to look for other ways.

Attractive young Ukrainian women are interested in meeting attractive and young men, especially if they came to the club without a boyfriend. Don't you think so? The fact that Viking is Swedish will make girls delighted, I can guarantee you that. He is looking for a type of girl who is more like an equal partner, the one who will work, and who will adapt well to the country. He will have much better chances while looking among regular girls, than when looking among girls who register on dating sites. Girls who register on dating sites usually have certain level of expectations, and very often it goes without saying for them that a man has to provide them with:
- relocation to his country
- adjustment in his country
- take care of them.

While if people meet in a more "independent" way, there are no frigid rules or expectations on what should he do for her. So they will be able to develop together a common vision on what steps to take next (and whether to take any steps at all). 

I do not want to disagree with anything you have posted.  I am in listening mode with you Renatka, Lily, and likely Aloe.  If you are going to give him some advice on places to go and places to avoid (I would imagine steering him away from the pros) perhaps he will do just fine.  I think your response to him has been very positive, because of this I do not want to think it will be any different in a night club in Kyiv.

[Jumper]

I suspect men here have trouble accepting someone young and "normal looking" (and OP is good-looking actually) is in a different league :-)

Not me, I'd say he is certainly younger, and is good looking.
 
 
As mentioned i could introduce him to many RW that would be interested.



 I do have a friend at work that is a very attractive man, but struggles a bit in meeting women, some of it is confidence, other bit is he simply isnt very outgoing,.
once he meets someone and is in a relationship he is charismatic with them and interesting, but initially crippled a bit by what i suppose  would be known  simply as shyness.Left to his own devices, he often settles because he cant bring himself to reach out for something, but luckily for him he is good enough looking women will take the time to get past that  initially shyness and
 slightly boring initial vibe he tends to put out.


I dont know Viking, but i see a little of this in him..
and think out in an enviroment where the odds are higher that  he gets initial smiles and interaction, would be an easy boost in his romantic life.

Can't see how it would hurt.

He's 28 and should be out there having a blast.

[pitbull]

Of course they are not - I'm one!  It's a spectrum within the profession like others.  And it is changing in the US too.  A good litmus is how a group is perceived is how they are portrayed in movies.  A big shock for me was to encounter for the first time, that old film by Rohmer titled "My night at maud's" where an engineer was portrayed as being sexy, albeit in a responsible way.   At best, an engineer gets the anti-hero status, as a Spok.

Agree with Mies...

I'm working for the best Department of Mechanical Engineering in the US (and probably in the world), mostly with Professors and graduate students. Absolute majority of male grad students are either dating or married to girls ranging (in looks) from very pretty to smoking hot. And they guys are not boring at all either.

[tim 360]

You're doing Ok Viking.  Look you are 28, good looking and it seems a pretty smart guy who is able to take an honest look at yourself--both your strength's and weaknesses.  Make a list and start making a positive change.  Work on what you think are your weak points.  Do it every day.  Keep a positive outlook and you'll soon find that you are conquering your weak points a little at a time.  Self-improvement time.

Go out locally and check out the local girls and do some flirting and have a good time.  Be positive.  You are not going out to get married--you're going out to have a good time.  Most girls like a positive guy and it rubs off on them.  Most women like a guy who makes them feel good about themselves so first--you got to make sure you feel good about yourself and then pass on some good feelings to them.

Get to know some of the local girls before you go the FSU.  If you are doing fine with local girls you'll do just fine with FSU girls.  Pretty simple.  Good luck.

[pitbull]

Most girls whom you can see in clubs will speak at least some English, some will speak moderate to fluent English. so no worries about that. He will have fun (if he is capable to loosen up a bit), he will see women who are delighted about his background, and his accent, and the fact that he is "visiting Ukraine to explore it, to travel, to meet new friends" (if I were Viking, I would not mention I come to meet a wife, it might sound wrong).  and i see no problem in having good time, traveling, meeting new people, and being very popular among local girls
If such trip is too expensive for him - he'll need to look for other ways.

Attractive young Ukrainian women are interested in meeting attractive and young men, especially if they came to the club without a boyfriend. Don't you think so? The fact that Viking is Swedish will make girls delighted, I can guarantee you that. He is looking for a type of girl who is more like an equal partner, the one who will work, and who will adapt well to the country. He will have much better chances while looking among regular girls, than when looking among girls who register on dating sites. Girls who register on dating sites usually have certain level of expectations, and very often it goes without saying for them that a man has to provide them with:
- relocation to his country
- adjustment in his country
- take care of them.

While if people meet in a more "independent" way, there are no frigid rules or expectations on what should he do for her. So they will be able to develop together a common vision on what steps to take next (and whether to take any steps at all). 

Viking,

I recommend you listen to what Mies says and do what she advises. you are young, quite good looking, and have an exotic flare for Russian girls. Most girls in their 20s will know some English. Also, there is nothing like a boost of confidence to help with one's dating life. And what is a better boost of confidence than attention from many young hot girls, for a guy? You should go to Ukraine if only for that.
Don't lose any weight, but certainly start working out. You'll be fine.

[Daveman]

Just as long as you manage to light up the woman in your new profile photo, all the other women don't matter 

Yep, that's exactly why god gave us alcohol...  :evil:  my handsomeness and appeal (and the ensuing luminescent energy) are directly proportional to the rate and volume of consumption!

But THIS guy can probably get 'em without resorting to tranquilizer darts and subliminal messaging.  Lucky devil.  

[Jumper]

SF-

Just curious, do you have experience in a European  club or disco?

I do not see why would it be difficult for him?

He's certainly better looking and younger then me and my experience is its quite easy to meet RW in most any situation.
You do have to open your mouth and try and interact though?
 
If he went to a park there he could do well !! or hit on some shop or cafe girls in Globus..  a smile and a few words is all it takes to get things started?
Sure not every women will be approachable,but certainly plenty would.
In fact if he has any situational awareness he should notice some women trying to interact with him,just in a day spent there doing routine sightseeing or buying some shaslik..
If he is just looking for a date, as silly as it siounds he likely  could get a date in the busy Mcdonalds in 15 minutes.
I just dont see the problem for a young man there...

and *if* he is lacking confidence .. then it might be a big boost..

[mies]

I do not want to disagree with anything you have posted.  I am in listening mode with you Renatka, Lily, and likely Aloe.  If you are going to give him some advice on places to go and places to avoid (I would imagine steering him away from the pros) perhaps he will do just fine.  I think your response to him has been very positive, because of this I do not want to think it will be any different in a night club in Kyiv.

If he will decide to come to Kyiv, and if he will be interested in such option, I'll contact my friends there, ask for help to show a Viking local nightlife in Kyiv, and will give them instructions to treat him gently (not to get him shocked or scared).

SFandEE, my personal classification of places for going out are "fun" and "boring". My general recommendation for a foreigner of the age of 28yo visiting Kyiv is to avoid places with:
- hookers and golddiggers (unless he just wants to view his nightclub experience as a visit to an art gallery: can look but can't interact).
- clubs for simple working crowd -because they drink and can get into fights, and overall girls there aren't too pretty, and those places are boring.
- places that are too underground.- even though in my opinion these places are most fun, for a person who isn't keen on nightlife it might be a bit too much/too unusual.

So if he picks any of 4-5 clubs in Kiev that have a moderate mix of everything, it can be a good and safe experience.

I don't think it makes sense to go to restaurants with the plan to meet a girl.

[GoodOlBoy]

When it comes to men, I believe I have unique preferences,....

That is an understatement.
You are married to an AM almost 75 years old. :evil:

GOB

[SFandEE]

SF-

Just curious, do you have experience in a European  club or disco?

I do not see why would it be difficult for him?

He's certainly better looking and younger then me and my experience is its quite easy to meet RW in most any situation.
You do have to open your mouth and try and interact though?
 
If he went to a park there he could do well !! or hit on some shop or cafe girls in Globus..  I smile and a few words is al it takes to get things started?
sure not every women will be approachable,but certainly plenty would.
In fact if he has any situational awareness he should notice some women trying to interact with him,just in a day spent there doing routine sightseeing or buying some shaslik..
If he is just looking for a date, as silly as it siounds he likely  could get a date in the busy Mcdonalds in 15 minutes.
I just dont see the problem for a young man there...

and *if* he is lacking confidence .. then it migh be a big boost..

Yes, I have multiple experiences throughout Europe, FSU, including Kyiv.  Several months.  Not only that, I do well in meeting women in life situations here in USA, including FSUW here in USA.  I do not think I said it will be difficult for him.  I also have mentioned that the endorsement of the women from RWD is huge and that he should listen to them.

As far as my impressions of nightclubs in Kyiv--I don't want to detract in any way from their enthusiasm.  I have had a great time in the Kyiv clubs and if they have some hot spots for him great.  I can post the ones I know, but I would prefer to wait and see what they offer and their impressions.  One of my favorites is no more.  I most definitely hope and expect they will steer him away from the nightclubs with pros.  Might I ask though, if he doesn't go to hot nightclubs in Sweden by age 28, why would Kyiv be better, because they are more friendly, because he is more attractive or exotic than the options they currently have?

I also think you are correct that parks, shops, and cafes are good spots--do you think he is up for it?  Maybe we should get him in touch with that poster who had control of his frame.

[Shostakovich]

Agree with Mies...

I'm working for the best Department of Mechanical Engineering in the US (and probably in the world), mostly with Professors and graduate students. Absolute majority of male grad students are either dating or married to girls ranging (in looks) from very pretty to smoking hot. And they guys are not boring at all either.

Precisely - at the upper end of any spectrum it is totally different, as it is in all fields.  In any event the situation is totally different on the college campus then it is in the workplace.  In college the horizon is wide open, once in work you begin to settle out a a certain position that defines you.  I'm speaking of the situation as you find it at the broad part of the bell curve. 

[Ranetka]

I actually think why would someone who does not do nightclubs enjoy Kiev nightclubs?

I think if OP just writes to the girls he fancies on a free dating site he will have a very good response.

[mies]

I actually think why would someone who does not do nightclubs enjoy Kiev nightclubs?

I think if OP just writes to the girls he fancies on a free dating site he will have a very good response.

also true.  Even though the first of his photos is apparently taken at some sort of pub or party, and they look like they are having FUN. ))

maybe he can start with facebook.  


As a side note: I do not really believe that the OP will act upon my suggestion, nor will use my offer but i enjoy making provocative suggestions occasionally... and i realize that I am probably more adventurous than population average, so what looks perfectly acceptable for me might be not acceptable for other people. and it's ok.

We can also ask Brian (he should be back home by now, or will be in the nearest days) about his experience of going to clubs in Dnepropetrovsk

[Misha]

I actually think why would someone who does not do nightclubs enjoy Kiev nightclubs?

I think if OP just writes to the girls he fancies on a free dating site he will have a very good response.

+1

[I/O]

western people have a lot lower standards than russians for beauty.

That comment is almost as silly as the thread itself, I did say..............almost.

[Jumper]

SF-
Ok-I see what you meant and agree.


as for this

Might I ask though, if he doesn't go to hot nightclubs in Sweden by age 28, why would Kyiv be better, because they are more friendly, because he is more attractive or exotic than the options they currently have?

yes

going someplace new ,being *new* or *different*, gives a few more opportunities for interaction, especuially foer some man who isnt naturally out going.
As some RW said in this thread, him being swedish would go over well.


example:
if he is a bit reserved-
A local girl likely isn't going to ask him where he's from as he buys something from the shop shes working at..or  the waitress at the cafe ask this when he orders, even if she does like how he looks ..

While if he was in another culture this possibilty occuers more often and sparks that inital smile or words from him, he might not always venture himself?
I see it in my area all the time when some Aussie or New Zealand friend of mine is here.. because of the accent.. the girls will ask where he's from, its that slight foot in the door for some men that are maybe a bit shy.

I'm not saying the FSU is some magic door for him..at all.
Was just pointing out *any* change in his current pattern , (including trips to most anywhere) is likely to have better  results and ultimately help his mood and confidence.
And honestly he isnt likely to break this pattern in his locale, even though it is possible.




 

[SFandEE]

We'll see--it is his life.  He has been given some great options.  What will he do?

[JohnDearGreen]

Here is link to 25 Russian  men who were chosen as handsome through voting.
 http://www.trud.ru/article/15-12-2010/255901_vybiraem_samogo_krasivogo_muzhchinu_rossii.html
You can judge for yourself if you are in the same league.

Same league? Which of the 2 leagues?  
Only 3 of them got more than 1% of the vote.  
How much of a bribe did the other 22 guys pay to get on the list?
- Timothy (Timur Yunusov), singer (52%, 705,181 votes)
- Dima Bilan, singer (31%, 428,282 votes)
- Sergey Lazarev, singer (14%, 196,693 votes)
...
- Vladimir Putin, Prime Minister (0%, 200 votes)
- Zlatopolskiy Anton, director general of TV channel "Russia" (0%, 4 votes)

[Misha]

maybe he can start with facebook.  

Or, better yet, vkontakte.ru and join a group such as Швеция. The one I am looking at has over 6,000 members and quite a few attractive women. I don't think he would have any problems finding a few women to give him a tour of their home cities should he travel to them 

[mies]

Or, better yet, vkontakte.ru and join a group such as Швеция. The one I am looking at has over 6,000 members and quite a few attractive women. I don't think he would have any problems finding a few women to give him a tour of their home cities should he travel to them 

agree good brainstorming session

[GQBlues]

GQBlues, we're kinda having an open discussion here where nobody is shy, for example, Viking456 was kind enough to share his photos with us after he asked questions, so it'd be logical for you to support your essential tips on how a man on a photo should look with your own right photos

Yey Nat...you're too late. I had my pics posted all over the message forums before and judging from the overall consensus, I have the distinction of being the ugliest mofo ever to step off the Russian tarmac.

....And as a personal opinion (not that it matters in this case) - for me too much of "masculinity" and machismo is a clear turn off in men. I think that a bit of feminine side in men is very attractive and charming....

mies-

If you read my post again, you'll find that I actually used the words 'too much' and 'a bit' to describe feminine and masculinity respectively. In the end, I pretty much agree that too much of either is not necessarily good. Moreover, If you once again look at the photos the OP made available, I believe he actually is better looking than his blonde posse, but I can guarantee you that his posse gets all the chicks. Why? once again because, IMO, his posse projects a stronger presence.

Case in point: Pierce Brosnan vs. Daniel Craig and/or Sean Connery. Put these 3 James Bond characters in the same room and the latter 2 will definitely captivate more than the first.

Hollywood lost a ton of money for ignoring this very simple concept when they casted Orlando Bloom for the lead role in Kingdom of the Heavens. Orlando seriously lack the strenght in his presence to support such a strong role. He was even overwhelmed in his role as Deiphobus, next to Eric Bana, who played Hector, and of course Pitt, who played Troy. The latter two, FWIW, is not necessarily 'better looking' than Orlando but they simply exude much more strenght in their presence. Period. You couldn't mix those 3 roles and get the same response in the manner they had it in the film.

Tom Cruise got popular from a boyish persona in Risky business, but not until he got 'buffed' in his roles on Topgun all the way to Mission Impossible, did he earn the notoriety of a heartthrob. Matt Damon...the dude is 'hot' according to many women I know. He's not necessarily a great looking dude. Vin Diesel is another one. Care to wonder why?

Everytime we have this kind of discussion, folks get lost too much in physical appearances. Sure there are many out there who relies heavily in being good looking. But it isn't in how you look, it is in how you project yourself in any given social situation that will captivate most people. Attitudes and confidence are fed not only by physical attribute. Fame, fortune, athletes, smarts, etc..also exude attitudes and confidence.

The OP is a darn good example of this point. Good looking guy but a whimper in terms of presence because he's lacking in those two things I mentioned above. Consequently, his present social status sux.

I will submit, he can go to FSU and date many women, but why settle for just 'women' when he has the untapped tools to be able to date the very best of them? Ugly folks, like yours truly, can date and marry FSUWs. But chances are, those women will be equal to their ugliness. If they are much better looking than the men they marry - 100% guarantee, like LAMan said, it's just a matter of time before hunky BBD drives up her driveway.

No women wants to be married with ugly men. Trust me. Ugly women are happy to be married to ugly men because without either, no one else will date them. Unless these ugly men have uncanny abilities, abundance of skills, and cat-like reflexes like I do. Then it's cool to be ugly...and date/marry really hot chicks.  

[SANDRO43]

Orlando seriously lack the strenght in his presence to support such a strong role. He was even overwhelmed in his role as Deiphobus, next to Eric Bana, who played Hector, and of course Pitt, who played Troy.

Aren't you mixing up some of those roles/actors ?

- Brad Pitt (wrong side) = Achilles
- Orlando Bloom (wrong brother) = Paris

See http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0332452/fullcredits.

[mies]

mies-

If you read my post again,

thank you, I might have chosen wrong wording for my ideas in previous post. To rephrase:
OP in my view does not have any excessive femininity in him. If he tries to get more "masculine", for my eye it would look too much and will be a turn-off. Maybe other women will disagree.

I like Pierce Brosnan and Daniel Craig. I like Pierce Brosnan's appearance, and I like Daniel Craig as an actor for his other movie Layer Cake, not for his James Bond movie. In that other movie he actually acted as a softer and nicer person, and it was quite attractive. I do not find Daniel Craig's appearance attractive: he looks like a person who've been drinking and having fun and working way too much. Plus, he is a bit too "miniature". I don't find Sean Connery very attractive. Though i do like the type of faces that show "old and pure breed" - with eagle noses, predator eyes, and strong angular faces. Beautiful phenotype, pity they are rare to see, and you never see them in movies.

But all of this is rather a speculation. OP isn't trying to do anything unreasonable, or aims at anything unachievable, nor tries to date someone "out of his leagues" in FSU given that "his league" can easily include majority of girls in russia or ukraine. If he is shy or introverted - it's unlikely he is going to change, and he should not try to change it. Because there is a great demand for introverted men too. He just needs to meet a girl with complementary personality.

[Jumper]

Yey Nat...you're too late. I had my pics posted all over the message forums before and judging from the overall consensus, I have the distinction of being the ugliest mofo ever to step off the Russian tarmac.

Matt,  I've been around waaaaay too long,on most of the forums,
 but don't remember the photos, or the consesus..  

Plus i missed the tv show you as a couple were on .?
Would like to see it as i heard it presented well.


 Anyway  I do agree it's not looks,  and certainly it's more often a persona/personality that is key.
Some degree of that is developed by having continued success?
 one way to do so is put yourself in a better position to interact more often..


You know some of my buddies used to marvel if/when i dated some  person they had seen on TV, or a magazine. I certainly wasn't better looking or have more of the fabled  "game" than they did, I was simply in a position because of my career at the time  to interact with those women( more often than they would ,as they never meet them in a daily situartion)
and hey even a blind chicken finds some corn!
  sometimes it really is that simple?
Similarly perhaps,  I used  play in a band as a hobbie for some time,
and despite its very very limited and only local success, have  had women tear my clothes off on stage, and other much crazier things..lol
A certain level of confidence is bound to insue if you put yourself in that position.Scarily enough I only did it for the nookie (what an awful song lol) and told the band when i auditioned that was all i was there for. take it or leave it. ( i was arse in my youth it seems ,hopefully i've matured! but not too much lol)

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 So in his shoes i'd put myself in some target rich enviroment, particularly  taking mies up on her nice offer.
Why abroad instead of doing so at home?
Because he is simply more likely to break his routine, and bound to gain some experiences , and likely a bit more confidence..and at the very least a nice little adventure.

Not saying there arn't plenty of pretty swedish girls, i'm absolutely sure there are,,
and certainly not taking anything away from  a man striving for self improvement, confidence etc.


any small spark *could* cause a transformation in ones *success*?

So i advise putting  oneself  in places it might happen,, take a few  chances , study somethinfg interesting, get more experiences,
 and the confidence naturally follows.
Perhaps it takes some to take that first step..?
but this really isn't  chicken or the edd first theory, as most do build confidence by repeated exposer and success , regardless how much you start out with?  First jump out of a perfectly good airplane, most people are not so
*completely* confident, 150th jump its pretty routine.
No matter their initial level of confidence, it went up from exposer and experience.


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[Misha]

If they are much better looking than the men they marry - 100% guarantee, like LAMan said, it's just a matter of time before hunky BBD drives up her driveway.

Unless, the woman actually loves her man....