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Reply to eduards questions
« on: November 10, 2011, 07:39:58 PM »
Twisting your words!   eduard, here are your words


If you don't speak Russian you won't have as much success doing that but still might be able to line something up and you won't need to worry about her being a prodater.


I stated that I speak no Russian and I do quite well on this site Mamba that you mentioned. 

And no prodaters, WHAT eduard, are you crazy or just lying!

No prodaters on mamba!    BS!


Ohhh yea, your also the person who one time said that their were only one or two prostitutes for every couple thousand profiles on Mamba and that we could trust you on this as you spend hours on this site everyday.

Well eduard, someone here, me, was spending time on this site while you were still married to an American woman.  Someone here, me, knew again you did not know what you were talking about when it came to this site you were spending hours on each day, or you were deliberately trying to mislead.

One or two prostitutes for every couple of thousand profiles, and WE could TRUST you on this, as you spend hours a day on this site. These were you very words. They still exist today for anyone who doubts this exchange took place.

I know this was BS eduard and I called you on it.  I took an example of the ladies on mamba, and placed them on the discussion board and showed all.

To make a long story short, within 24 hours, within 24 hours you changed your story, the one we could TRUST YOU on. Now, instead of one or two prostitutes for every couple of thousand profiles, on a site you knew very well, within 24 hours you changed your figures to a couple of prostitutes for every 40 or 50 profiles!  WHAT!!!!!  What happened to one or two for every couple of thousand profiles?  Remember, we could trust you on this.

eduard, some people here know more than you and when you try to lay this type of BS on people, your going to get caught, as you did this time, and as you did when you tried to tell this membership that there were 8 single Russian women for every single Russian man.  This was the first time I knew either you did not know what you were talking about or that you were one who exaggerated greatly.   From one or two prostitutes for every couple of thousand, and now, it's one or two for every 40 or 50 profiles.  Yep, you showed us how much we could trust you eduard.




I wasn't trying to "scare people", rather stating a fact that a person who doesn't speak Russian would have a much lower rate of success on a Russian site.



yes eduard, you were trying to scare people, your words were "if you don't speak Russian you won't have as much success ".

eduard, this site is now in English.  English eduard.  Yes, I know you were really upset when this site was in English and guy's did not need you.

On this site eduard you can see which ladies say they speak English. ALL my clients know about this site and most use this site because of the great success they have in meeting English speaking ladies.   

Unlike what you have stated, they, we, do have success and most men do not speak any Russian at all.

Of course it goes without saying that any and all men who can speak Russian do not have to concentrate only on the ladies who can speak at least a little English.  But very few of our men, at best only 5%, can speak Russian.

Remember we come from two different schools here eduard.  I strongly suggest to my clients that they try to find Russian/Ukraine women who can speak at least a little English.

I think if a man has to have a person like you being their interpreter, they are hurting.  If they need a person like you to be their translator, they are hurting. If they need a person like you to be their wingman, they are in trouble.

When a man can speak and communicate directly with a woman, when he does not need an interpreter or a translator or a wingman, he will get to know this woman so much better and quicker than if he has to have an interpreter and all emails translated and you hanging around.

Sometimes men meet a lady they have interest in who speaks no English and they have to have an interpreter. I have used women interpreters and I have used men interpreters.  The difference between the two is as different as day is to night.

Most women who did not speak English who had to have an interpreter preferred a female interpreter. Most the ladies our clients were interested in could open up more to a female interpreter, could explain their feelings more in depth to a female interpreter and were just more at ease with a female interpreter. 

I used to have several male interpreters on my staff but as it became more and more apparent that these Russian and Ukraine ladies preferred female interpreters over a male interpreter I began to retain fewer and fewer male interpreters.  It was the Russian and Ukraine women's preferred choice.

As far as the difference between a man or a woman wingperson, the difference again is amazing.

We have mostly an all female support staff. We do have a male interpreter in Kharkov, Lugansk, Dnepropetrovsk, Nikolaev and Kiev. And we do ask all the clients if they would prefer a male or female interpreter. Almost all men say female. Some men will say it does not matter and rarely a man will say he prefers a male interpreter. When he does, we have one for him.  Sometimes when a man tell's us it does not matter we will give him a male interpreter. But soon that changes. 

Often times our support staff ladies will go out walking with a client. They will walk down Khershatyk or Deribaska or Sumsky or Sovietskya, Lenin Prospect, in malls and bazaars.

I tell the men that when they are out walking with one of the support ladies and they make eye contact with a lady, she smiles, he likes her looks and if he has an interest in meeting this lady he is to tell our support lady.  Our support lady will then approach this woman. She is careful to place herself so that this lady can see the client over our ladies shoulder. Often they will be about 20 feet apart and I tell the men to smile at the lady as he watch's the conversation.

Our lady will say something along the lines "Excuse me, my client from America (or Canada, Australia, Belgium, etc) could not help but to notice your beautiful smile. He would like to know if maybe you would like to meet him over some juice, coffee, lunch or dinner".

If the woman is married, engaged, not interested, she will say so right away and we tell the lady thank you for her time.  Sometimes the lady will say maybe but she is now in a hurry in which case our support lady will say "if we can exchange phone numbers I'll call you and try to arrange a good time for meeting". And sometimes the lady will decide to meet the man at that time.

On average 1 out of every 4.5 times when one of our female support staff ladies will stop a lady while out walking about the city and try to arrange a meeting, a meeting will take place or information is passed to arrange a meeting. By comparison when we have had our male interpreters who were supporting our clients while out walking about the city it's 1 out of 13 times a meeting will take place or information is exchanged.  Big difference eduard.   

When we go to clubs or disco's we always have a few support staff ladies with us.  Of course we are always at a high visible VIP table.  When one of our guy's see's a lady he is interested in he will point this lady out to Dasha, or Katya, Lena, Ella, one of our support ladies. Our lady will walk down to the dance floor, wait for an appropriate time and then approach this lady, again positioning herself so this lady can see the client over her shoulder, "Excuse me, my client from England (or America, Germany, Norway, China) could not help but to notice your beautiful smile. He would like to invite you, and a friend, to our table for drinks and to meet.  We always say "and a friend" as now the lady is more likely to come if she can bring a friend.  Over 77% of the time when we ask a lady if she and a friend would like to join us at our VIP table, the ladies accept. 

Female interpreters, female wingperson's are so much more effective and efficient than male interpreters or wingmen.




You, jack are divorced from your RW wife as far as I know. Have you remarried? For a guy who is in the marriage business seems it would be important to practice what he preaches, yes?



eduard, I will tell you now the same as I told you before.  You are either very forgetful or hoping I come up with a different answer I guess. Same answer eduard.

As I told you before eduard, yes, I am divorced and eduard I do not have the interest to be married at this time.

You think I should be married regardless of how I feel about marriage because I am in the marriage business.

eduard, again, the same answer I gave you the last time you mentioned this, I do not have interest in getting married at this time.  Did that sink into your mind this time?  I guess it didn't previously.  eduard I think for a person to marry when they do not have that interest in their heart is a mistake.  I guess you must think I should be married because I have a marriage agency.

Believe me eduard, if I wanted to have remarried, I could have done so 50 times.

And don't talk to me about family eduard, I know more about family then I think you'll ever know.

You have two wonderful children eduard. I have three. What a joy it has been to raise three wonderful children. And now eduard I have two grandchildren. And oh my eduard, a 15 year old grandson cannot tolerate, accept, his grandfather beating him in basketball.  My oldest son, he's tough to beat.  He'll take me most times. My youngest son, he's good, not as good as his older brother and I'll take him most the time, but ohh, the grandson's, and the oldest, cannot be beaten by a grandfather.

When I hear you try to tell me about family and I realize that you eduard will never be able to play with your grandchildren as I do mine.  And I realize when your youngest child graduates from high school you'll be an old man. To think you'll never be able to play with your grandchildren as I do mine, I feel sorry for you in what you will be missing. So eduard, of all people, you do not need to be telling me about family.






 there is no way to check the real numbers on your clients. Yes, I know that you claim something like 250 marriages (the number which I highly doubt and off course you won't be able to verify due to confidentiality issues)   



eduard, today I have helped 269 men to marry. 

And as far as a figure that you highly doubt, eduard let me remind you of the time when you wanted proof of some marriages from me from men on RUA and RWD.

I sent to you eduard the name, email address of 10 men from RWD and RUA who I had helped to marry.  You could now write each of these men yourself and all these men told me they would even talk to you on the phone if you wanted.

Not one of these men said you ever wrote them.

As a condition of sending you these 10 men from RUA and RWD that I had helped to get married I asked you in return to send me the name and email of three men.  I waited and waited and then realized, you did not have three men that you had helped to marry so you could not send me three. I then sent you a second email and said you could send me just the name and email address of two clients you had helped to get married.

And again eduard YOU could not even provide me with two names.  This has been a couple of years and hopefully by now you could supple me with a few more men but even today eduard, I proved to you I had 10 men from RUA and RWD, even today I would be happy to see proof from you of three men.

See eduard, I can read you like a book. You lie, lie, lie but say you don't lie.


but how many of your clients are divorced now? No need to respond since I'm confident that we will never know true numbers.


eduard of the 269 marriages that I know about, we have 57 divorces.

Up until about two years ago this figure was right around 80% and it was a figure I was proud of.  Over the last two years a few divorces have brought my percentage down to 78.8% happy marriages.

Again this was a figure I was still proud about,....until I hear your percentage.

WOW!  Again, unbelievable from you eduard.

34 or 35 marriages, or 40 soul mates, still not sure what the difference is between the 34 or 35 marriages you have claimed and the now 40 soul mates you claim, but not one of your marriages ever ended in a divorce.

As of a few months ago 100% of all your marriages had never failed, not a single divorce.

In a country where the divorce rate is a little over 50%, in two other countries where the divorce rate is around 50%, Russia and Ukraine,  50%, half of all marriages,  here you claim 100% success and not a single divorce from 40 something marriages.

This is unbelievable!   Ripley's has to talk with you!  New's agencies should be knocking your door's down for an interview.   You have to be the greatest matchmaker of all time for Russian/Ukraine.   :o   Oppps, forgot, have to make that Russia as you have NEVER been successful with helping a man to marry a Ukraine woman in Ukraine.

Now eduard, you always say I am telling lie's about you.  Is anything I have stated so far a lie?  If so would you please be so kind as to point out this lie?  Don't just say I lie about you and hope that's enough, please, point out any lie I have told about you.

I just can't get over this. Over 40 marriages and not a single divorce.  You other guy's reading this, isn't this remarkable?  And how many of you actually believe this?

So successful with these marriages, yet your not able to help one man marry a single woman in Ukraine?  You said Ukraine was difficult for you. Why?  How can this be?  If an agency or individual cannot be successful in Ukraine, he can't be successful anywhere, but this is not the case with you.  Your successful in other FSU countries but not a single marriage you have been successful with in Ukraine.

And you only introduce your men to 3 to 5 ladies.  And not a single divorce.

I used to think my 80% success rate in marriages was because my guys meet a lot of ladies. They choose the one lady they felt the best about from many ladies.  And here you are, introducing all your clients to only 3 to 5 women, the same number of ladies most my clients meet in a day, and you have never had a divorce from your 40 plus marriages and your guys only meet 3, or 4 or 5 ladies.

Just unbelievable.




And lastly how many RWD members are happily married? I remember the poll done a couple of years ago revealed that only about 30 guys here were married at that time. Even if that number doubled in the last couple of years it is still a very small percentage compared to how many men searched/searching but are still single.



Well eduard if you listen to these men they all say they are happily married






Frankly I'm amazed that you speak of your lack of Russian language skills with such pride considering the business you are in.



Don't be amazed eduard.  I have surrounded myself with a lot of wonderful people who take pride in their work and enjoy working with me.  And eduard many of these are ladies who are supporting our men.  As I have seen first hand the difference that these Russian/Ukraine women feel about a female interpreter compared to a male interpreter, a female wingperson compared to a male wingman, I am quite sure I am able to provide my clients with a much higher level of quality and efficiency than you are based on these women preference of a female over a male.





 Any intelligent person understands that communication is the key in a relationship.




Agreed eduard.  For those 5 or 10% of men who can speak Russian, they actually have so many more choices than the guy's who cannot speak Russian.

I will tell men now, have always told men, if you can learn to speak Russian or if you already know Russian you will have many more choices of women than men who cannot speak Russian.

And because being able to communicate DIRECTLY, without a middle man,without an interpreter, is so important, for the men who cannot speak Russian I encourage them to try to meet Russian/Ukraine ladies that they can communicate with directly, ladies who know English, and you know something eduard, it's really not that hard to find a great number of Rus/Ukr ladies who can speak English.




From what I've read and seen, limited communication at the beginning of the relationship will likely lead to a disaster later on.



And I would agree with this.   How could anyone marry, carry on a relationship and not be able to communicate directly.






 The fact that you speak no Russian and your English is somewhat limited doesn't minimize the importance of language barrier free communication when 2 people are seriously thinking of marriage IMO.



eduard, first of all, I don't have it in my heart at this time for marriage, not interested in marriage eduard. Secondly eduard the ladies I do see all speak English.   

Now I have made exceptions for what is now 9 ladies.  I have met 9 ladies I had interest in and taught 8 of these ladies English.  A 9th lady I would like to be able to date, and communicate with and not with an interpreter or wingman, is taking English lessons now.  I did call her a week ago and I could hear the English lessons paying off    :clapping: 





Unless off course marriage is not a high priority for your business model.



No eduard, helping men to find a good Russian or Ukraine wife is a very high priority for me and my business model has helped me to separate the players, men not so sincere, from those guys who really want to find a good Rus/Ukr lady.





Your single lifestyle, the photos of half naked girls and naked girls wearing nothing but your shirt that you post here,





eduard maybe it's my single life that is a factor for me not having interest in marriage.  The biggest mistake I, or any man could make is enter into a marriage if his heart is not into it.

eduard, are you stretching the truth again?  No, not about having 40 marriages, over 100% success rate with every marriage and not a single divorce, no not the claim you made about their being only one or two prostitutes for every couple of thousand profiles, we could trust you on that and then you changing your figure to 80 prostitutes for every couple thousand when confronted and proven wrong, are you stretching the truth about their being half naked girls posted on this site?   Man, I don't think Dan would go for that.  Can you point out any photos of these naked girls or these girls who are wearing nothing but a shirt? 





you saying things like: "often a little English is all it takes" (to do what???) suggest to me that you have very little understanding of what serious relationship and marriage is about.




eduard, I really do think you are either very forgetful, you have a hard time understanding, or God forbid, a few bricks short of a full load. 

Let me explain to you again, but I am getting a bit tired of explaining things to you over and over again. At some point one would think you would be able to retain some of this information.

I tell men when they see a Rus/Ukr lady who say's she only speaks a little English to meet this woman. Now if a woman say's she speak no English, that's another story.  But when a Rus/Ukr lady tell's you she speaks "only a little English", guy's go for it.

And why?  Because most Rus/Ukr ladies are perfectionist in most things they do.  Many Rus/Ukr ladies learned English when they were in school but because they had not practiced speaking English or had no reason to speak English, most the English they learned went to the back of their brain and lay in rest.

The only Rus/ukr ladies I see who say they speak good English are interpreters or ladies who speak English in their jobs. Other than that, ladies who speak good English but have not for many years will say "their English is not so good", "or they speak only a little English".

Most the time when I, and most clients, have met these Rus/Ukr ladies who say they speak only a little English it's amazing to see how with each passing day their English has got better and better. Being around a bunch of people speaking English, hearing all this English, beginning to speak this English, it's always a delight seeing these ladies English get better, and quite good, with each passing day.  And these ladies would not need an interpreter, I know eduard, not want you want to hear, but it is reality.




 all it takes to do what? You can't be talking about marriage here, or are you?



Only if after being able to communicate with each other, NOT with an interpreter, NOT with a wingman, only after being able to communicate directly with each other and they both feel that pure and natural chemistry that exist, then yes, were talking about marriage.






Hmmm... and what was this interest based upon if you can't even have an intelligent conversation with a woman for 5 minutes?



Well, if the two were not able to have an intelligent conversation for 5 minutes either the two just are not compatible, plain and simple, or they are not able to communicate directly and thus they would need an interpreter.

And so if this was the case, and now an interpreter is used, many times the man will learn more about his interpreter than the woman.






She may be "slow", she may be a total bitch, she may be a liar or a drug addict or a user or a psychiatric patient. 



eduard I feel most of my clients are above average in intelligence.   From what I have seen, or read from a few of your clients I get the same feeling as what I say about Anastasia's clients,  Anastasia's best clients, as our eduards, is the uneducated consumer.  I think once a guy does his homework, he would never use Anastasia, or you.  Just my opinion of course.

Most of my guys are going to know if the woman he is seeing is a nut, a drug addict, a total bitch.  Remember educard, my guys do not meet 3 to 5 women as yours do. Our guy's meet a lot of ladies and as such they can be as choosey as they want and most are.  If one of my guy's meet's a bitch, it's pakaaaa, good by.  If one of my guy's meet's a nut, it's pakaaa, good by.  They have a lot of ladies to choose from eduard, they don't have to accept such behavior.  Now if my guy's were meeting only 3 to 5 ladies, they might accept this one thing they don't like about a women, or this one thing they don't like, because they don't have as many women to choose from.






You will have some client of yours pay for her lessons for how long? No need to answer, it's a rhetorical question.




Why not answer, no it's not a rhetorical question.

Three months.   Either three lessons a week two hours each lesson, or two lessons a week, three hours a lesson.

I'll pay for the first two months in advance, as I suggest to all clients, and after two months of English lessons I will now place a telephone call, I will talk to this woman. If I can hear the excitement in her voice, if I can hear her replying to my simple English questions, yes sir, check for the third month is coming.

But if I do not hear enough good things, a lot of silence, little English, I can tell when a woman is serious to learn English and if that is the case I invested two months worth of English and their will not be a third month.

Of course I know most the English teachers and I ask if they are making all their classes or maybe only making a few.  Those ladies who you can hear the excitement, laughter in their voice, they seem to make all the lessons.   






The poor chap still will be just gambling with his life and find out who she really is only after she is in his country, married to him and learned English to the point where he can finally understand who he married.




Only a fool would marry such a woman eduard.  If one cannot communicate directly with the woman he has interest in, if one does not know the true feelings of the lady he is interested in, he should not be bringing her to his country.

But on the other hand, if he used an interpreter, he would probably know a lot about the interpreter.






He may get lucky if she just happens to be a decent person, and then he can also get taken for a ride. So again, what is "such interest" is based upon? I have a feeling that I know the answer...



Well, from a man with over 40 marriages and not a single divorce, if anyone believes that, you must know the answer.







As usual, jack, you twist my words around and misquote me in a malicious manner. I did not say that a man "will not be successful if he doesn't speak Russian". Here is exactly what I did say: "If you don't speak Russian you won't have as much success doing that but still might be able to line something up".





And here was my reply eduard,   

"I speak no Russian, 95% of my clients speak no Russian, 90% of the men on this site who ARE HAPPILY married speak NO Russian, and most of us do quite well."







 There is a big difference, jack.




You see a big difference eduard?  hell yea theirs a big difference!!

Duhhhhhhh


"If you don't speak Russian you won't have as much success"


"I speak no Russian, 95% of my clients speak no Russian, 90% of the men on this site who ARE HAPPILY married speak NO Russian, and most of us do quite well."






All your "quotes" that you attribute to me should be taken with a grain of salt because you change what I say to fit your agenda. It's dishonest IMO.



I have asked you to please show me all the lie's I have said about you.  Please, proceed, what are these lie's?






Now let's examine closer who you call "a typical MOB type"
1.jack: owns a MOB agency, offers tours with socials in different cities in Ukraine.




eduard, again, I'm beginning to think your actually a little slow, you know, like not all there.

We do not have or offer socials.  Our parties are very respectful of the women attending, we do not have a 12 to 1 ratio of women to men, all the women meet all the men and none of the women are paid to attend our parties.

Again eduard, for someone in this business it's amazing how many things have to be repeated to you over and over and over again.

Also eduard for many years we did tours in Russia, I would still being doing tours in Russia if enough guys wanted. Their are just not enough men today who want to go to Russia for me to offer tours.

In addition to our group and individual tours you neglected to say I also help educate the men as to the culture and history of Ukraine and Russia, I help educate these men as to many things about Ukraine and Russian women, and most my clients consider me as a relationship advisor.





2.Ed: cultural consultant, interpreter, guide, relationship adviser who helps WM connect and develop a relationship with women who are OUTSIDE of the mail order bride industry




Well eduard this is not exactly 100% truthful.

Their are a lot of women who are on Mamba who are with marriage agencies, who are part of the mail order bride industry.

And eduard, have you seen some of the bad things my clients have said about me?   No, I don't mean unknown individuals who can go on the internet and say whatever they want about anyone and I do not mean posters on RWD or RUA who I do not mind telling them they do not know what they are talking about and get upset, I'm talking men, clients who have actually used my services. Have you seen the bad things they have said about me?

For sure I'm not perfect and the first thousand clients I don't think I had many, if any complaints. By the time I got through my second thousand clients eduard I learned I will never be able to please everyone.  Now having almost 3000 clients have you seen anything negative any current or former client has had to say about my services?  Most of my clients can feel my sincerity in helping them finding a good woman. Most of my clients see the 110% percent I give in helping them to meet many good and sincere women. Almost all my clients can see the great expertise and knowledge I have in this field, and not being able to speak Russian edurd, can you believe that? 

Many of my clients end up as friends, some sadly disappear after marriage and I never hear from again.  But eduard, can you recall any person who was an actual client who had bad things to say about the service he was provided?   I think the answer to that is no.  I'm sure you'll correct me if I am mistaken.

Now let's look at what a client of yours had to say about you and the services you provided him.



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Sometimes I think that Ed is delusional.

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Well, I can certainly see why one of your clients would say that, I think the same thing and was never a client.





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He was such a rotten communicator
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You eduard!  But you speak such good Russian remember.  Why, how, could a client consider you such a rotten communicator?






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If he feels you are there and can't speak the language, and he wants to rap with your babe, he has food he wants to eat, he feels you are insulting Russia, annoying him or not acting as he wants  or goodness knows what else, you will get the shaft.

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Oh man, that's bad.  I would hope I would never have a single client who could say such about me or the services I provided him.






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I was left very unhappy. God knows with maybe 10 or 20 K on the trip I wanted a war with a dang interpreter. It was a total waste.

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Oh my, a client spent 10 to 20 thousand on you and it was a total waste?    Man, this is terrible.  10 to 20 thousand and it was a total waste.






****************************************************************Just make sure he knows who is boss in Russia and who picks restaurants, who is to charm the babes,

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who is to charm the babes?  You eduard, a happily married man?






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In my humble opinion, he is a bad cross between Woody Allen, Hugh Hefner and Josef Stalin. 

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Hugh Hefner?   Why would a former client say this about you?
eduard, your a married man, you shouldn't be acting like Hugh Hefner.





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Are you buying anyone panties lately?

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Oh, my gosh.   "Who" is suppose to charm the babes?  Who acts like Hugh Heftner?     eduard, I don't even want to know why you are buying panties.





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To refuse to observe even a modicum of civility.

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You eduard?     Well, I actually can see this in you.






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To treat me like a pig while I paid for overpriced show tickets or limos.


have phone numbers of replacements handy and don't disagree with him about anything.

I think blue collar or thick skinned guys will love him.

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Oh, my eduard, I hope I never have a client who could say such things about the service I provided him.






 Sorry jack, but it looks like you are a typical MOB type...




I'm a typical MOB type?   :o

eduard, I encourage men to NOT have to use interpreters, do NOT have to have letters translated, to NOT do business with any agency where you cannot get the ladies direct contact information. 

Can you tell me any other agency whose practice this is?   Well, can you?

I help men to meet ladies from many sources, not just from marriage agencies.

I was the first, uhhh, you reading this eduard, I was the first agency to my knowledge to put profiles of our clients on Mamba, I was doing this while you were still married to an America woman.

I have been offering men the chance to meet hundreds of thousands of ladies outside the normal MOB scene for a long time eduard, long before you arrived.

At last years Kiev party 60% of the women at the party were NON-AGENCY women.  This year I hope the percentage will be more.  Every year with every party in every city we have more and more ladies who are not with agencies.

I know many ladies, have many friends, they have many friends, I know many ladies from Russian personal sites, like Mamba, who come to our parties eduard.

So if you think I'm a typical MOB type it shows to me, and it shows to everyone else, just how much you know.   Which by the way I have been trying to tell people since you first showed up here claiming 8 Russian women to every single Russian man.

You are a master bull schiter eduard and their are many people more knowledgeable than you and these type bust you all the time.






and as far as BS, I think intelligent people can see who is doing all the BS-ing here.




Yes, for about the third time during this reply we are in agreement, I think most intelligent people can see who is doing all the BS-ing around here.






 Right! jack, look in the mirror, that some one is YOU! I




Well, speaking for myself I will have to respectfully disagree, the bull schiter is you and I'm quite sure the intelligent guy's around here will also know.






I remember a couple of years back when I stated that most RW in their early to mid 20s wouldn't be looking for a guy 50 yo and up. Just because I said that, you immediately had to prove me "wrong" and came up with a bunch of profiles on Mamba of the girls who put in their profile the age of desired man to up to 50 or 60 yo. Because of your lack of Russian language skills you failed to notice that all of those girl's profiles you found were either spam, prostitutes or sponsor seekers.



No eduard, I NEVER recall ever saying that most Rus/Ukr ladies in their early 20's would be looking or considering men in their 50's. I have ALWAYS stated just the opposite.  It's easy enough to go back thru 10 years of post's and see where I have constantly stated this.  But you eduard, you can now present to everyone here where I have stated that many Rus/Ukr women in their early 20's would have interest in men in their 50's.  In fact I think many guy's here would like to see this.  Might help to separate who is bullschiting and who is not, right eduard?   

Please, show us such a statement by me. Please.

eduard, mamba has always had it's prostitutes in pink outline. It would not be possible for me to not know the women in the pink outlines were prostitutes.

As far as sponsor seekers I would say about 70% of the sponsor seekers come right out and say this on their profile.  30% will hide this on their profile and you learn about this after a little communicating.

I do remember you writing, it's still on rua today, that there were only one or two prostitutes for every one or two thousand profiles.  And we could trust you on that, as you spent hours on this site daily.  Do you remember that eduard?  Or maybe this is one of those lie's I'm telling.   Is this a lie or the truth eduard?

Well I knew that was a bunch of BS and within 24 hours eduard, if we could trust you on that, WHY did you change your figure to one or two prostitutes for every 40 or 50 profiles?    If we could trust you on your first figure, why did you change it 24 hours later?


And the answer is,.....  some one is the master bullschiter.

40 plus marriages and not a single divorce,....amazing.  And your men only meet 3 to 5 ladies, they pick their wife from 3 to 5 ladies.  But your client from above, why would he advise any of your clients to have plenty of phone numbers available?    I thought 3 to 5 women was all they would meet, or this is what you have been telling us for years.







 If you missed something so obvious one can only imagine how many subtle, less visible clues you miss when it comes to FSU women.
This is one of the very important differences that sets you and I apart, jack. Being a native Russian speaker gives me a distinct advantage over you when it comes to helping WM find Russian speaking women for marriage.



eduard their are a LOT of things that set us apart and I am very grateful for this.

When it comes to helping my clients find a good Russian/Ukraine wife,  opps, forgot, you have NEVER been successful in helping a single client find a Ukraine wife in Ukraine, let me rephrase this, when it comes to helping my clients find a good Russian wife I will rely on my expertise and knowledge of Russian women and provided with my support staff of good and knowledge Russian women we will always be able to do a better job than you.


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« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2011, 07:50:45 PM »
ooops, one of you mod's, I see I posted this in non commercial instead of commercial.  Can one of you take care of this and put it in the Commercial section, or I can repost it there.

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« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2011, 10:02:00 AM »
Honestly, can we just get rid of the thread all together?


Jack, IMHO, this does NOT look good on either of you.
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I would prefer the thread to stay.

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« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2011, 05:54:50 PM »
jack, first I'd like to say that IMHO only a very "unique" person would spend so much time and effort writing such a humongous post wich incidently is full of crap. I've said pretty much all I had to say to you in another post in the other thread which addressed your questions. Apparently that wasn't satisfactory to you and you want to continue this none sense that makes both you and I look bad. I realise that you do not comprehend that but I do, therefor this will be my last post here unless I feel absolutely compelled to say something else.



I guess you are trying to quote one and only "problem client" that I had in the 5.5 years in the business. Are you referring to the client who also wrote in the same post: "Would I recommend Eduard to other people? Yes! Most definitely!!!"? The one who also wrote to me: "Ed, I want to send you $8,000 because I want you to continue working for me". I turned him down and didn't take the money, jack. Because I have ethics and don't take advantage of people with serious problems. I wish I knew about those problems before I started working for him, but there were circumstances that I can't disclose here that prevented me from recognizing that the man had serious issues. I should have never accepted him as a client and I accept responsibility, but again there was a huge reason why I fealt compassion toward him and wanted to help him to find love and go on with his life. I can't say any more here.


It is unethical to take a few quotes out of context of the whole post and the whole thread, jack. You should have provided the link to the thread on RUA so people could read it in context and make up their mind. I actually thought that providing the link was mandatory? Was it not? But off course you'd rather misinform people, jack.

Ethics is probably an infamiliar term to you, jack. Google it when you have a minute, it's an interesting concept!


Maybe you should also quote Clave - my other client who shared the cost of my air ticket with the guy you are quoting, who had interractions with him and who wrote that "the man was acting in a strange and irrational manner". But no, off course it's not your style to tell the whole truth. You'd rather quote out of context and even misquote.


You even stoop so low as to attack my client on the forum calling him an idiot for working with me and his wife a scammer. Yes, I'm talking about Catman, the Canadian man I helped find his wife who's been happily married for a while now but doesn't want to participate on these fora any longer because of guys like you.


Have you heard of a saying: "Don't throw stones at somebody when you, yourself live in a glass house"? I can find some quotes of your clients as well. Like this one: :

"The girl I had lunch with was quite gorgeous and spoke excellent english. For some reason we could only meet at this "certain" place. It was also quite convenient that the restaurant she wanted to go to was "right there". We went up the elevator to a very posh restaurant and had lunch. We chatted and talked for almost 2 hours. She was interesting but full of crap. She gave me some slop about not being able to get married legally for two years because of her fathers job with the government. However, we could get married in Ukraine and I could support her for the two years until she could apply for american visa. What a joke. Total scammer and YES she was off of jack's beloved site. Lesson here is that scammers are everywhere, including firstdream.com. No offense Jack but it is true."

"i was supposed to go to Dnepropetrovsk that night on the train but decided not to go. I only had 6 days in country and didn't want to spend nights on a train. So, I cancelled this portion of the trip. I had already sent prepaid deposits to jack's people in dnepropetrovsk and did not ask for the money back. jack blew a gasket because I didn't go. Caught me by surprise but whatever."

"I decided to post this for the new guys as much as the old. jack's company will take great care of you regarding transportation, accomodations, etc... I think the agency contacts are very weak. The second agency I went to consisted of a lady who met me in a pub with some books. I went out with 2 of her girls, both professional daters. You see, it costs you $15 bucks to meet one of the girls. They got a good thing going in that a guy spends the $15 bucks, the girls get a great lunch or dinner and the guy is left in the end with nothing. jack, you need to realize that the second agency is a scam. Sorry but it is. The girls are not serious at all. The first lady Tamara was good but her pickens were too slim for a city the size of Kiev. To be honest, this is why I didn't go to dnepropetrovsk. I didn't need to travel two days by train to sit on another couch and meet girls who aren't serious."

"Jack paints a pretty picture speaking about this beautiful apartment, many girls, and Galina working her tail off......NOT. I'm sorry to inform the board that this was not the case. I wrote Jack for TWO months asking about my trip to Dnepropetrovsk. Each time he had nothing to say. I STILL have all the emails and will make them available to anyone who wishes to see them. They are dated and timed. Repeated inquiries BY ME to jack about Dnep. There were no ladies lined up, I kept trying to ask Jack about lining up ladies and he said don't worry about it. He suggested I go to pay sites and get some addresses. I asked if Galina had a website, I was told it would be up by mid december...I was leaving 23 december so I would at least get a look. Never happened. I found an agency in Dnep that had alot of beautiful ladies and a couple that I had written to. Unfortunately, they HATE jack and Galina in that city and that agency is off limits. Before you rebuke this Jack, I have the emails from you to support everything I have posted. I didn't want to get into it this way but you leave me no choice."

"My flat. When I decided to stay in Kiev, Jacks landlady told me that I "must move out of that apartment and into a more expensive one". I had to move because "another guy was coming that night and had to have the flat". I said no problem and called my friend in Kiev, she said I could use her flat. Interesting how Jacks people changed their minds when I had my own flat. Suddenly, the flat I was in was instantly available again for the same price. I said okay and stayed another night. I was upset with this and felt I was being lied to about some guy coming. Either way, I stayed. The next day I went to my friends flat. I stayed there one night and new years needed another flat, they gouged me for almost double the price. Thanks jack."

"As for 15 or 20 girls from Tamara's agency, no way. There were only 2 or 3 girls between the ages of 26 and 31. The rest were under 23 or over 35. No thanks. Nice spin on Milena but she was very interested. I have her emails to prove it also. She had many photos of me, I have those emails also. Alot of sweet words and sweet letters. Nice try jack but it won't work. As you always say to trolls.....I have the emails for proof. I figured you to try to spin things so I kept EVERY email we ever exchanged. Now, who got who? As I said, your company is a good company, i never slammed your company. You trying to spin me into some monster who doesn't care about people was your mistake. Now, I don't support you or your company."

"I don't dislike Jack, I just think he's a used car salesman.
Mark H. "


These quotes are taken from the post that can be found here: http://www.network54.com/Forum/48258/thread/1010854898/last-1010855121/Are+you+thinking+of+using+Jack's+agency+First+Dream+--




Or this:


"Jack "The Whale" Bragg of firstdream.com is at it again spreading his fear and doom messages about scammers on Planet Love.Chicken Chomping Jack (he likes to wine and dine his RW at KFC), and his stable of shills are harvesting new clients on Planet Love as we speak.For those of you that don't know how the scamming works here's inside information on his technique.1. Shill (and Jack has many because he exchanges ladies emails for free in exchange for working as a shill for him) posts a message with the topic "Scammer Agency" or something like that.2. The sheep on Planet Love all start jumping on the bandwagon.3. Jack "out of nowhere" appears and starts his tales of why this Agency/Girl is scamming men and so forth. According to Jack there is no honest agency except his, yet he gets many of his girls from these supposed scam agencies. Now that makes sense.4. Jack NEVER mentions his own Agency firstdream.com in these discussions, but he IMPLIES by fear tactics that his girls are honest and scam free.Look at ML0201http://firstdream.com/frameset1.htmLooking for a man up to 60yo?Sure. She's not a scammer. She looks like Pippi Longstocking playing "Jacks".Watch out for this Jack "The Whale" Bragg because he appears on all the boards under various different names shilling his business.BarryM is his current alias although there have been about 25 others including SHerlock/Watson/Fred Walters and others.Some are on this board as well and show Jack replying to himself with the exact same IP address.Jack isn't too bright.Happy hunting and do yourself a favor and find an honest agency to help find your dream lady.Belzak"
Can be found here: http://www.network54.com/Forum/48258/thread/1020884186/last-1020888772/Jack+%26quot%3BThe+Whale%26quot%3B+Bragg+is+spreading+Fear+Again


this is a real interesting one: http://www.mofeel.net/1114-comp-os-linux-advocacy/14205.aspx


I will note that any service provider will have unhappy customers.  Another service provider was accused of hitting on a client's date, and as I know that service provider and how UM interact with UW, I doubt happened.  A poster here who was on your tour claimed it was a travelling brothel.  I assume you would dispute that?

We all have clients who, in the end, help us to improve, and, if we have been in the business for some time, we will have at least one client who criticizes our services.  I can't speak for you, but I view such criticism as an opportunity to improve what I am doing rather than a failure.
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Re: Reply to eduards questions
« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2011, 06:08:35 PM »
eduard, you have said over and over I have told a lie or untruths about you, can you show us any of those lie's?

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« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2011, 06:08:51 PM »
 :popcorn:
 
Actually, in some twisted capitalistic way, if these two give this a closer look, they actually have the potential to partner up and compliment both their services. Their biz/service don't exactly directly compete as they offer completely different service models.
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« Reply #7 on: November 11, 2011, 06:14:45 PM »
GQ, thanks for trying but I could not partner with someone as deceptive as eduard.

Now he has said several times I have told lie's about him, untruths, let's see what some of those are.

eduard, can you show us some of these lie's I have told about you?   If not we have to believe everything is the truth.

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« Reply #8 on: November 11, 2011, 06:31:02 PM »
GQ, thanks for trying but I could not partner with someone as deceptive as eduard.

Now he has said several times I have told lie's about him, untruths, let's see what some of those are.

eduard, can you show us some of these lie's I have told about you?   If not we have to believe everything is the truth.
just yesterday, you misquoted me, jack and I addressed it here: http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=14113.msg281718#msg281718
and I am deceptive? jack, look in the mirror. I can dig up more stuff on RUA but I've got better things to do with my time. Have a nice evening.


PS. I'm curious, jack, do you believe that this thread is beneficial to your business and personal credibility or does it actually hurt it?
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« Reply #9 on: November 11, 2011, 07:27:52 PM »
just yesterday, you misquoted me,

eduard, please show me where you were misquoted.  Try to make it real simple, show me where I quoted you incorrectly.



I can dig up more stuff on RUA but I've got better things to do with my time.


Of course you can eduard.   To try to discredit me you have to look and look and wow, what did you find, something from 2002, 2002 eduard,  that's the best you could do, where someone, have no idea who, makes all types of claims.  Who is this person, what is his name or email?   Many years ago, it's harder today, but many years ago eduard it was easy to post anything about anyone without having to provide a name or verifiable email address.


In your case eduard it was not something from 10 years ago, it was something stated a few months ago by someone who you have said was a real client of yours.   




jack, do you have some medical condition that prevents you from telling the truth



eduard, can you please indicate what I wrote that was not truthful?






I just responded to your post where you attacked me and as usual told untruths.




And again eduard, you say I tell lie's about you, untruth's, BUT you are NEVER able to show these lie's or what these untruths are!   Here you write I have told untruths about you, WHAT are they eduard? 

Why can you never back up your claim of someone telling lie's and untruths about you?  Why is this eduard?  Both discusssion boards you say the same but are NEVER able to show any lie's.    Maybe it's because their were no lie's or untruths, or else you would be able to back up your statement.

Any way, glad to see you decided to post again and I'll wait, with my fingers crossed, that you can show me these lie's  and untruths I have said about you.






The only people I see exposed are the young girls on your photos who look to me  like 20 year old party girls that you are selling as "marriage minded brides",



Here we go again, MORE lie's by eduard.   Please eduard, show me, show the membership, any photo of a 20 year old I am selling as a marriage minded bride.  You can't do it eduard. Again, time after time, lie after lie, eduard, don't you know more and more people are going to see you making untrue statements? 






PS. I'm curious, jack, do you believe that this thread is beneficial to your business and personal credibility or does it actually hurt it?

eduard ever notice how I do not have a problem answering your questions?   But you never answer mine.  This is going to have to stop at some point eduard and your going to have to be accountable for the statements you make and answer questions I ask you, as I answer your questions.

Now would you please tell me the untruths I have told about you, as you claim I have done.  What are these untruths?


Ok, back to your question.

No need to be curious eduard, I don't know about this thread, I know I'm very happy to say things in this thread that were previously deleted by a certain mod.  As to if this thread will be beneficial to business, don't know.  Business is good considering the economy.  Basically I always look at the coming tour and the one following.  Our Christmas/New Years in Kiev trip looks good and already have three deposit's for the spring 2012 tour. 

I understand from previous things written elsewhere that your having a very difficult time staying in business eduard. Has to be expected eduard with many things you say which prove to be incorrect.

Ok, hope not to get you side tracked.  You have said I have told untruths about you.  eduard, what are some of these untruths?


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Re: Reply to eduards questions
« Reply #10 on: November 11, 2011, 07:45:21 PM »
:popcorn:
 
Actually, in some twisted capitalistic way, if these two give this a closer look, they actually have the potential to partner up and compliment both their services.
 

 
I don't think they'll partner up but their competitive nature is good for customers.
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« Reply #11 on: November 11, 2011, 09:23:48 PM »
OK jack,
kids in bed, wife in the shower so one more time I will waste my time on you. You wanted me to point out where did you lie about me? Here is one: http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=13646.msg271005#msg271005


You wrote:
"Hey, if he is considering between going on one of my tours or Edwards service, even though Edward's service will be more expensive and he wouldn't meet nearly as many women, theirs no comparison.        Van, you would want to sign-up with Edwards service.  He will introduce you to up to five women, usually three to five women, these are his words. "
This is a lie, jack. As usual you twist my words and try to use the distorted meaning to your advantage. These are not my words, and actually I don't "introduce my clients to women", I help my clients  introduce themselves to the women. Get the difference, jack?

What I actually did say was that my clients talk to many women (sometimes 40, sometimes a 100 or more). Then, in the course of a language barrier free correspondence they will eventually make a good mental/emotional connection with a few women. Normally once a client feels a strong connection with 4 or 5 women we start planning a trip to meet them. We usually also have a couple of women that they like but don't feel as strong of a connection with, as a back up plan to meet with in case we have any open days or if something changes once we are in the FSU which does happen sometimes.

So you see jack, to say that I only "introduce my clients to up to 5 women" is a 100% lie, capisce?
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« Reply #12 on: November 11, 2011, 10:04:04 PM »
uhhhh edurd, better read my reply from the other thread you posted on.  I don't think your going to like it.


For those who would like to read the comments on the other thread.


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« Reply #13 on: November 12, 2011, 12:07:39 AM »
Jack,
 
I have been on record saying that I like you. I also respect Ed as well.
 
I'm not going to spend a lot of time dealing with all the issues you seem to have with Ed but I disagree more with what you say than what Ed does when it comes to the FSU, especially the mentality. Again don't misunderstand as I think both of you have much to offer.
 
It's the same issues I've had with some of Ed's other detractors on this board whom have had a few hand held trips to Russia/Ukraine and all of a sudden think they're experts on things here because they've talk to a few Russians, maybe have strolled around a few cities and now think they can operate here on their own like a native or someone who has been here for years even though they don't speak a lick of Russian  :rolleyes2: .   
 
As far as the language sorry but in my experience with RW that spoke moderate English it was much more difficult to deal (communicate without misunderstandings) with them especially as time went on. And getting a "feel" for them to see if they were nutjobs or druggies, etc. was extremely hard for me until the relationship was months down the road.
 
I've also lost potential lovers simply because they didn't want to always be in English mode which they had to be during my first 4 years here. IOW it was very fatiguing for them mentally and well, just plain uncomfortable. Yes, I've had women whom have struggled with the language and continued to date me for whatever reason. I know now that it wasn't from our communication.
 
Everyone has to remember that a RW may still like you, like to be around you, even though they only understand about half of what you're saying, at times even less, unless you understand how to talk to them in a manner which will help them understand you better.
 
I have also notice that at bars and clubs it matters little whether your wingman (or men) were men or women. Russians are very social people. I've seen groups of women, 2-6 in numbers join a table of equal men on many occasions, too many to count.
 
I'm going to end this post by saying that you also like to get on Ed about him quoting crazy numbers as far as the ratio of men to women here. Well in real numbers there isn't much difference. But in actual quality to quality numbers he not that far off. I can personally tell you this just with the number of available RW that I'm able to date here. it's actually higher than the numbers Ed quotes. And the reasons for this disparity are exactly the same reasons Ed talks about.
 
Yes, Ed does embellish a few things at times, you know like any other business I can think of BTW does. It happens. Watch any commercial on TV.
 
Lastly, it seems it doesn't matter to you that you've been having this discussion with Ed going on for ages. Maybe it doesn't hurt business, maybe it does, I don't know or care. One thing I do know is it compromises you as a person. You're better than this, or I'd like to think so. 
 
Let it go brother. 

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Re: Reply to eduards questions
« Reply #14 on: November 12, 2011, 12:39:57 AM »

I'm going to end this post by saying that you also like to get on Ed about him quoting crazy numbers as far as the ratio of men to women here. Well in real numbers there isn't much difference. But in actual quality to quality numbers he not that far off. I can personally tell you this just with the number of available RW that I'm able to date here. it's actually higher than the numbers Ed quotes. And the reasons for this disparity are exactly the same reasons Ed talks about.
 

 
I can agree with this. In America quality women get taken quick and thus not available in large numbers. In the FSU there are a lot of quality women that won't dedicate themselves to a man so quick. From the RW I've dated in America and in the FSU many tell me a similiar story when it comes to why it's not easy for them to find a man in the FSU. 90% of the men are drunks, jobless, have commitment problems, lazy, and/or stupid. They prefer to wait as long as it takes for a real man to enter into their lives than put up with a relationship full of drama.
 
 
If a western man can present himself well, he should find plenty of opportunities to date women. He may not find a compatible woman right away to marry but at least he has a higher percentage quality women available than at home.
 
 
When single, I was able to get 1 phone number out of every three FSU women I talked to whether I met them on the street, airport, or restaurant. It's that easy. I may have had better success but some women didn't speak English and a few were married.
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