women with adult children

[Gator]

I am back......  No restaurant tonight, no friend to visit, no concert.....it is too cold to walk more.... Russian TV blaring in the background....I have wrestled the computer away from a boy....my chicken something is digesting....


This thread is indeed interesting.  Full of old wounds, some new wounds and attempts by some to pull at a scab.  All because no one has come up with anything new to discuss/slander.


Starting with the most recent first,

Olga, don't you know the Moscow class system? Someone born in Moscow is higher on the pecking order than someone who merely moved there, but they are nothing compared to the ones whose parents were born there, likewise they are trumped by the Muscovites who can claim that all their grandparents were Muscovites and the princes and princesses of Moscow are those who claim that their families have been there since at least the Revolution   However, any Muscovite will be entitled to look down on those provincial folk not matter when they moved there 

Misha, you have learned well.     Oh, pardon me, you were sarcastic...

[Gator]

  Ade is a DBA isn't he???  Say no more![/size][size=78%] [/size]

Actually... but no, let's not go there. 

Really.  Your highlight of the week is to watch a TV series about a fictional serial killer who has a remarkable and varied data base management system (e. g., slides of blood taken from all victims).

[Donna_Pedro]

This thread is indeed interesting.  Full of old wounds, some new wounds and attempts by some to pull at a scab. 

You have hit the nail right on the head.

[Gator]

While searching  for an older somewhat related thread,  which I've yet to find,  I ran across this by jb, circa 2005.  A decent read..


http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=176.msg1916#msg1916

I miss JB.

[possum]

To bad "Comrade Lenin" wasn't dealt with earlier in his reign of terror.
 
Maybe some of your ancestors would have lived just a little bit longer.
 
GOB

I think you're confusing ol' Grandpa Lenin with Uncle Stalin. If Lenin hadn't died, any kitchen maid would be able to run the state and there would be no need for International dating.

[Gator]

Seems like we'll need to add "money" along with religion and politics as Ubiquitous Forbidden Topics.

And class.

[Misha]

us, moscovites

This summarizes it well and explains much. Though, I have to say, you are the first person that I have encountered whether in real life or virtually who speaks admiringly of the evil stepmother in Cinderella

[Gator]

You even dress down on purpose.
 

Pat,

Make sure you still wear a good watch and good shoes, just not your Presidential Rolex and Manolo shoes.  Seriously, FSUW worship shoes and expect even an average man to have good shoes. 

[Donna_Pedro]

And class.

lets also forbid the topic of proton beams circulation in Hadron Collider while we are at it, since nobody seems to know what all these topic are all about anyways.

[Gylden]

lets also forbid the topic of proton beams circulation in Hadron Collider while we are at it, since nobody seems to know what all these topic are all about anyways.

For the first time since September 2008, the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) has circulated a beam of protons fully around its 17 mile-long ring of supercooled electromagnets.
The last time this happened was shortly before the LHC suffered a devastating "quench" that released so much energy, several of the large magnets 100 meters below the French-Swiss border were ripped from the ground. Over a ton of liquid helium was vented into the tunnel. Fortunately no one was injured, but it has taken CERN engineers (European Organization for Nuclear Research) 14 months to repair the damage.
 
Well lets hope that doesn't happen here!
 

[Donna_Pedro]

This summarizes it well and explains much.

I am sorry, I have asked a very straightforward question - What kind of beef do you have with us, moscovites and how is it related to the topic at hand.    If you could, please provide a simple answer.

[Misha]

I am sorry, I have asked a very straightforward question - What kind of beef do you have with us, moscovites and how is it related to the topic at hand.    If you could, please provide a simple answer.

Quite simple: your attitude reminds me of too many Muscovites that I have know over a decade and a half.

[Gator]

 its very interesting....
But i'm just wondering, if the western  woman  ,or FSU woman ,does not already stand in a position to routinely pull the interest of the  top ten percent of wage earners in her country ,
I'm wondering how  members feel she's suddenly qualified to in another oountry ?
 
the great accent? the additional expenses the forum  goes over so much?
hmm what a catch for the top ten guy..who already has his local picks if he isnt  socially impaired right? 
 

Is there a category that dated the top 10% RM only to be dumped later and now passed to another RM farther down the scale.  Why not an AM, she thinks.  If so, I bet they quickly learn the RM are more abundantly available.  The typical 10% AM is not interested in RW.  He has so many AW after him that he is too worn out to chase a RW.


Not sure I met any of these as I dated older RW for the most part.   I met a couple who said they voluntarily left the 10% RM ("bad man") but they certainly were too spoiled for me.


At social gatherings I have met a number of RW who seem to be doing very well in the workplace.  A number of these initially entered via student visas.  I doubt these are average RW although I have no solid information. Those RW who entered via fiancee visa or spousal visa are all over the map with regard to success in the workplace.  They have one common element however, they are determined survivors.


 

[Gator]

Obama graduated from Columbia and Harvard Law school, which set him on track in all those high-flying political circles and eventually brought him to being a president.

Not bad for a skinny man born in a shack in the African highlands.   Just kidding as I do not consider the place of birth issue as relevant to his qualifications.

[pitbull]

ah HA! Found it...


This one is circa 2006 and very interesting within a page or two(big surprise there!).  Another "money" question from a slightly different angle.


http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=1750.0

Oh, the old faces!

BTW, does anyone know how DonAz is doing? The guy with a beautiful young blond wife?

[Gator]

Although I did not use that word precisely, look up the definition of "prostitution".

It was close enough for government work or whatever you do.


Let me be frank, you are a jerk with no sense of decency.  You like saying things in an Internet forum that you could never say in public without fear of getting your jaw broken.   If you learned some social skills your IT boss would probably let you hire an assistant one day. 

I have no more to say as anything I say is met by a tenfold larger verbiage barrage.   There is not end, so good bye.  I could care less.   

[Gator]

Gator, what I said is a popular saying in Russia  I said it in general but if you tried to apply it to the daughter or whoever, you probably had a reason for it 

Lame!  You know you meant it and said it.  You remind  me of those high school girls who would start malicious rumors about a girl not in their little circle of witches.  And when called on it, denied it.  Even at my innocent age  I thought those girls were bad and low class.   

[Donna_Pedro]

Quite simple: your attitude reminds me of too many Muscovites that I have know over a decade and a half.

Yet the capital of scammers is not Moscow, its Lugansk, is it?   Yet the only two (I might be mistaken here, correct me if I  am) moscovite women on this forum (me and jb's wife) are among the few 10+ years married couples.  And yet, a lot of people from all over former USSR, who  dont like our "attitudes" keep consistently coming to live in Moscow (as you and Olga have kindly pointed out). You know this old russian joke - hedgehogs were crying of pain, but kept eating  cactus.

[Gator]

I am just going by Gator's own words in how he describes the situation in his post.

My own words were that after seeing her everyday for one year her character is good.  My opinion was not sufficient for you, so I have no credibility with you. That is okay as it is your opinion, and developing a following is not my reason for reading RWD.

Don't think I misunderstood anything due to poor English or some such.

If it was not poor English, then something else made you substitute your concept of scum bag for my concept of worthy man.  The leading option is that your mind was in the gutter. 

[Gator]

Just a little observation here. I happened to meet Gator's first russian wife. And let me tell you -  this is completely different class of girls that  he is after. Not your regular Mashas and Lenas from Lugansk or Kharkiv. And when I say class, I do not mean just beauty, or better yet, not mainly beauty. Its level, class - behavior, manners, upbringing, level of self-esteem etc. I suspect his second attempt is the same way. And I am actually very eager to see her when she arrives. Seriously, i suspect that neither you nor anybody else (me included) have any idea what we are talking about here.

Thanks Donna.  Please don't try to explain class.  You and I both know that 1) class comes in many forms (as does lack of class) and 2) it is not limited to big city residents. 


The saying about teaching a pig to sing comes to mind. 

[pitbull]

If it was not poor English, then something else made you substitute your concept of scum bag for my concept of worthy man.  The leading option is that your mind was in the gutter. 

Gator, dear, don't pretend to be dumber than you are. I understand, it sucks, you yourself described your "Daughter's" relationship with a total scumbag. You let it out. Oops. She is not a good naive "classy" little girl. It's not the end of the world, relax.
Oh, so that we cover the "worthy men" as well. The "Daughter" doesn't only lead on the married scumbag daddies and horny old goats for presents. She also does it to numerous "worthy" men. She does not discriminate on the basic of the "man's" worthiness, as long as the presents are expensive.
Okay, the whole picture is now covered, case closed

[OlgaH]

I am sorry, I have asked a very straightforward question - What kind of beef do you have with us, moscovites and how is it related to the topic at hand.    If you could, please provide a simple answer.

No beef at all, Donna_Pedro, personally I look at the Moscovites in the same way as I look at the people from another cities of Russia and other countries. They are all different and each of them with his/her own outlook.

Intentions of a young Moscovite mother with two children who marries a Western man who are 30 years older than her are not so different from the intentions of a woman, for example, from Irkutsk in the same situation. Life of a single mother with two children in Moscow, even if she is a lector and professor at the academic institution, is not really honey coated. 

I know two women from Moscow bedroom district  in their late 30s and early 40s, who were trying to make a better deal. One was, pardon my french, blowjobing a 75 y.o. Western man so he paid for her trips and presents and another, her relative, was originally from Tula, working in a district Militia, with parents alcoholics and a daughter with deviant behavior who cut mother's face with a knife. Their superior attitude towards non-Moscovites were incredibly ridiculous in their situation. But most of the Moscovites who work at the museums, theaters and academic institution, I got to know personally due to my job are wonderful people. 

[Donna_Pedro]

I know two women from Moscow bedroom district  in their late 30s and early 40s, who were trying to make a better deal.

Forgive me if I dont further participate  in these communal-kitchen style conversations.

[Misha]

Yet the capital of scammers is not Moscow, its Lugansk, is it?

Why scam when you can simply rent out grandma's old flat    But, some would say that the queen of the "scammers" was in Moscow: the ex-mayor's wife made billions with her connections...

And yet, a lot of people from all over former USSR, who  dont like our "attitudes" keep consistently coming to live in Moscow (as you and Olga have kindly pointed out). You know this old russian joke - hedgehogs were crying of pain, but kept eating  cactus.

People go to where the money and jobs are, and most of the money that makes its way to Russia stays in Moscow.

[OlgaH]

Forgive me if I dont further participate  in these communal-kitchen style conversations.

My apology if I somehow indirectly touched your feelings. I just said that in Moscow people are different and they have different outlook.     

By the way the communal-kitchen style is a still life for some Moscovites sharing an apartment with several different families.