FSUW Should not target Americans?

[Ade]

yes, it is easily to find your match in Europe but why not US or Australia? World is too small! you can miss your PERFECT match 

Personally, if I were a FSUW, I would rule out the US and not bother there unless I became desperate. The reasons I have are many and I won't go into them, but let's just say that, IMO, most of Western Europe, Northern Europe, Canada and New Zealand/Australasia are better options and provide a better or equal quality of life. Given that has to be close to 200 million men, I don't see that should be an issue.

[Faux Pas]

Jerra, if I were you, I'd avoid men from the US (or at least don't prioritize them over others). Generally speaking, they have very little vacation time to travel so will be less likely to visit soon or often. The cost is also higher for them so they tend to be more careful before committing. Getting a tourist visa for you to go there to visit will be much more difficult than, say, Europe. Stick to European men, they have usually at least 2x the vacation time to spend, and it's easier for them to travel to you; especially if you're willing to meet halfway in Moscow or Saint Perterberg (like I did with my wife from Arkhangelsk).

 


Ade c'mon, really? I've seen make some off the wall claims as to America and Americans but seriously, this one really takes the cake. Is it jealousy or hatred you continue to project?

[Ade]

 


Ade c'mon, really? I've seen make some off the wall claims as to America and Americans but seriously, this one really takes the cake. Is it jealousy or hatred you continue to project?

Not at all.

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0922052.html

Cost of airline tickets from the US compared to Europe; let's see, I can get to Arkhangelsk from here with $600. How much will it cost you?

My wife had no problems getting 3 months Schengen tourist visas several times. The wives of my friends, the same. How many FSUW did you date that could say the same about the US?

Seriously. What you can get in the US, you can get in Europe. And it's closer to the FSU and cheaper and quicker to get there. We can go more often. How many more reasons do you need?

[Faux Pas]

Not at all.

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0922052.html

Cost of airline tickets from the US compared to Europe; let's see, I can get to Arkhangelsk from here with $600. How much will it cost you?

Vacation time or the ability to travel is pretty subjective by individual regardless of the country one resides. Perhaps your advice would have been more poignant if you had pointed that out as opposed to "just forget all Americans" type advice. If she wishes to have time to build a meaningful relationship perhaps she should chose someone (with no regard to nationality) that has the ability and means to travel and spend a significant amount of time. As opposed to the all too common "drive-by" approach.


I noted you seem to highly recommend Canadians. Travel expense from Canada is the same or often even more expensive. Canada has a much stricter visa requirement than does the US (not that the US's doesn't suck). Thats hardly a reason to discount someone. No, you seem to have other motives. Travel expense from Australia is even higher than the US and Canada and they were not even listed on your handy little reference chart. 

My wife had no problems getting 3 months Schengen tourist visas several times. The wives of my friends, the same. How many FSUW did you date that could say the same about the US?

Seriously. What you can get in the US, you can get in Europe. And it's closer to the FSU and cheaper and quicker to get there. We can go more often. How many more reasons do you need?

Schengen visa is one of the easiest to obtain for anyone, anywhere. It was designed that way. My wife, a Russian national recently got her second one. I know quite a few RW who traveled to the US very recently on a number of different visas. Was it easy? For some yes, for others no.


What can "she" get in the US or what can anyone in general "get" in the US? Excuse me but wasn't the discussion about this RW looking for a relationship? Did your wife choose you because there was more for her to "get" in Norway?


You dished out some bad advice dude. Your reasons are grossly invalid and inadequate. You should have just as well told her "stay away from America and Americans because Ade hates them".


We are talking relationships here and you seem to think she out to "get" something or save a few bucks. She is likely to have just as much or little success with Americans than any other nationality.

[Misha]

Ade, it all depends where in the USA you fly from. You can buy a ticket from NYC to Moscow for less than $750 at full price and considerably less when you find a seat sale. I flew from Seattle to Moscow for $840. A few hundred dollars difference isn't that big of a deal 

[BC]

How many more reasons do you need?

And no worries with healthcare coverage...

Visiting relatives and friends have it easier getting a visa...

Also avoided waits for work permits....  (Adjustment of Status)

And wife was able to travel back home whenever she wanted... (Advanced Parole / Travel documents)

No interview...

No health exam...

No police certificate...

In some places can get married on a tourist visa and stay...

Vacation time indeed a plus...

Takes only a couple weeks..

Easier / faster path for in laws to immigrate...

FSU foodstuffs readily available..

Travel throughout EU bez problem...

And lastly, not being called an 'Alien'

That's what I came up with in a few minutes thinking about it..

Oh... and if 'sh!t hits the fan' sometime down the road:

No real WAVA / abuse claim worries...

Realistic divorce terms...

Decent social support structures...

[Handycam72]

  Jerra
Good to see a viewpoint from your side, I hope you stay around 
Pity that your thread has been hijacked into a discussiion about Pros and Cons of America though 

[Ade]

And no worries with healthcare coverage...

Visiting relatives and friends have it easier getting a visa...

Also avoided waits for work permits....  (Adjustment of Status)

And wife was able to travel back home whenever she wanted... (Advanced Parole / Travel documents)

No interview...

No health exam...

No police certificate...

In some places can get married on a tourist visa and stay...

Vacation time indeed a plus...

Takes only a couple weeks..

Easier / faster path for in laws to immigrate...

FSU foodstuffs readily available..

Travel throughout EU bez problem...

And lastly, not being called an 'Alien'

That's what I came up with in a few minutes thinking about it..

Oh... and if 'sh!t hits the fan' sometime down the road:

No real WAVA / abuse claim worries...

Realistic divorce terms...

Decent social support structures...

Thanks BC. Yes, these are some of the other reasons all else being equal. Of course, love conquers all and location matters not one whit in those circumstances. But, if you have to filter, then the US is a good place to start filtering for sure.

Faux Pas. Please stop trolling. I don't hate you guys. But you can be a little tedious on occasion.

[Ade]

As for pro and cons, I think it is worthy of thought for any woman looking at international relationships.  After all, men are doing the same when they target women in FSU or?

Again, yes. Amazing how it's considered pretty normal for a guy here to say that they only target the FSU but, just hint that perhaps the women may want to target a country other than their own and, well...

[Ranetka]

Thanks BC. Yes, these are some of the other reasons all else being equal. Of course, love conquers all and location matters not one whit in those circumstances. But, if you have to filter, then the US is a good place to start filtering for sure.

Faux Pas. Please stop trolling. I don't hate you guys. But you can be a little tedious on occasion.

Recent thread also shown Europe feels much safier crime-wise.

[ML]

 Quote from: Ade on Today at 01:26:18 AM<blockquote>
Jerra, if I were you, I'd avoid men from the US (or at least don't prioritize them over others). Generally speaking, they have very little vacation time to travel so will be less likely to visit soon or often. The cost is also higher for them so they tend to be more careful before committing. Getting a tourist visa for you to go there to visit will be much more difficult than, say, Europe. Stick to European men, they have usually at least 2x the vacation time to spend, and it's easier for them to travel to you; especially if you're willing to meet halfway in Moscow or Saint Perterberg (like I did with my wife from Arkhangelsk).

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Ade c'mon, really? I've seen make some off the wall claims as to America and Americans but seriously, this one really takes the cake. Is it jealousy or hatred you continue to project?

This is a good place to make a point about a very bad feature of these discussion boards.

The point is that members often become so bitter toward one another that they cannot give credit to those who make very good points.

Yes, I understand that Ade has some issues toward Americans, and he has belittled me personally on numerous occasions.

However, in this instance, he is making very valid points.  I don't see anything in his words that can be refuted for the general case of USA men.

Yes, the idea of finding your mate no matter where he/she may be always sounds very romantic, but Ade is very correct from a strictly logical standpoint.

[Ade]

This is a good place to make a point about a very bad feature of these discussion boards.

The point is that members often become so bitter toward one another that they cannot give credit to those who make very good points.

Yes, I understand that Ade has some issues toward Americans, and he has belittled me personally on numerous occasions.

However, in this instance, he is making very valid points.  I don't see anything in his words that can be refuted for the general case of USA men.

Yes, the idea of finding your mate no matter where he/she may be always sounds very romantic, but Ade is very correct from a strictly logical standpoint.

Thank you.

FWIW, I don't really feel any animosity to anyone here. Yes, I think there are people with some very peculiar world views and opinions and yes, the men with control issues towards their wives/girlfriends I find somewhat repugnant, but I don't hate anyone.

Of the women that choose to look in America, I wonder how many of them are fully aware of the details of their new country before they've committed themselves to a man there...

[Vincenzo]

There are many foreigners in the USA. Even when they have heavy accents, they can easily find very good jobs. Moreover, you can ask almost anybody, "Where are you from?"; and he or she will say, "I was born in New York. But my grandmother is from Germany, my grandfather is from France."

I heard it's very difficult to be a foreigner in most European countries. He or she is always the second-class citizen. All good jobs are for natives. If you have the slightest accent, no promotion for you.

[BC]

There are many foreigners in the USA. Even when they have heavy accents, they can easily find very good jobs. Moreover, you can ask almost anybody, "Where are you from?"; and he or she will say, "I was born in New York. But my grandmother is from Germany, my grandfather is from France."

I heard it's very difficult to be a foreigner in most European countries. He or she is always the second-class citizen. All good jobs are for natives. If you have the slightest accent, no promotion for you.

I guess a lot will dependent on 'convertible' qualifications..

One of the most successful RW's I've heard about is jb's wife, IIRC worked her way up to a full university professorship.

Of the FSUW we know here, around half are housewives with children, the other half working either with/without kids but nothing near what Etna achieved..  I don't think any had anything near the qualifications jb's wife had before she immigrated.  It is also quite tough in some EU countries with at least two if not three languages (not including RU/UA) required for mid level jobs in addition to high unemployment in many areas.

What's a 'good job' in your book for a newly arrived immigrant to the US?

[Vincenzo]

What's a 'good job' in your book for a newly arrived immigrant to the US?

I mean you're usually not discriminated in the USA if your English is not perfect or you don't have a degree from an American university, etc. You can work for any company and you'll be equal to your American-born colleague.

Once I worked for a division of the Japanese company Mitsui in the USA. Sure, the CEO was American, but he was just for the show. All manager positions were only for the Japanese.


Also, if a Russian woman knows a foreign language, it's usually English.
Only few interpreters know Italian or Norwegian or French or Spanish.

[Faux Pas]

Thanks BC. Yes, these are some of the other reasons all else being equal. Of course, love conquers all and location matters not one whit in those circumstances. But, if you have to filter, then the US is a good place to start filtering for sure.

Faux Pas. Please stop trolling. I don't hate you guys. But you can be a little tedious on occasion.

Trolling? Jesus Ade, you are as bad as Billy. You made a completely obnoxious and incorrect statement, passing it off as advice and I called you on it. Nothing more, nothing less. Perhaps the OP should hook up with one of the European be cause she can get more stuff and save a couple hundred bucks per trip and the sheer convenience. As much as you and I disagree on, one thing we did agree on was work, build and foster relationships. Now it seems you'll forego that for discounted airfare and getting more stuff.

[Ade]

Trolling? Jesus Ade, you are as bad as Billy. You made a completely obnoxious and incorrect statement, passing it off as advice and I called you on it. Nothing more, nothing less. Perhaps the OP should hook up with one of the European be cause she can get more stuff and save a couple hundred bucks per trip and the sheer convenience. As much as you and I disagree on, one thing we did agree on was work, build and foster relationships. Now it seems you'll forego that for discounted airfare and getting more stuff.

  There you go again.

[Gator]

Of the women that choose to look in America, I wonder how many of them are fully aware of the details of their new country before they've committed themselves to a man there...

Details?  Based on your opinions as expressed over the years in RWD posts, I can infer much.  Maybe most RW like men who have a big, long gun!   
 
I know Europeans as friends and as business associates.  Ignoring government policies and the ethnic enrichment of a melting pot, the differences between Americans and Europeans is trifling.  I say that because individuals vary widely.  In America I can find many people who share my interests, philosophies, etc.  There are also my polar opposites and many other permutations.  I do not not have to live near them or socialize with them.
 
The qualities of the individual man are more important than where he is from.  One of the more important qualities is financial security.  I assert a financially secure American will have the money and time to travel and more importantly have the money and time to devote to helping his new wife adjust.   It says more that an American is able to travel than it does for an European.
 
     More vacation time.  More benefits.  Aren't these symptomatic of a welfare state?  Aren't welfare states facing fiscal problems.   Unless one's surname ends in -os or -i,   these benefits will continue for the immediate future.  Nevertheless,   "a change is gonna come, yes it will." 

[GQBlues]

...     More vacation time.  More benefits.  Aren't these symptomatic of a welfare state? ...

I was actually thinking somewhere along those lines. But no matter, there's absolutely nothing wrong with offering an opinion with whatever the subject may be. It is entirely up to any individual to make their own choices and decisions anyway. USA, Europe, Canada, Australia, etc....
 
(to note: the conclusion of the Presidents Cup gave wifey and me such an appetitite to visit Melbourne soon. What a beautiful city!)

[Faux Pas]

I was actually thinking somewhere along those lines. But no matter, there's absolutely nothing wrong with offering an opinion with whatever the subject may be. It is entirely up to any individual to make their own choices and decisions anyway. USA, Europe, Canada, Australia, etc....
 
(to note: the conclusion of the Presidents Cup gave wifey and me such an appetitite to visit Melbourne soon. What a beautiful city!)

Details?  Based on your opinions as expressed over the years in RWD posts, I can infer much.  Maybe most RW like men who have a big, long gun!   
 
I know Europeans as friends and as business associates.  Ignoring government policies and the ethnic enrichment of a melting pot, the differences between Americans and Europeans is trifling.  I say that because individuals vary widely.  In America I can find many people who share my interests, philosophies, etc.  There are also my polar opposites and many other permutations.  I do not not have to live near them or socialize with them.
 
The qualities of the individual man are more important than where he is from.  One of the more important qualities is financial security.  I assert a financially secure American will have the money and time to travel and more importantly have the money and time to devote to helping his new wife adjust.   It says more that an American is able to travel than it does for an European.
 
     More vacation time.  More benefits.  Aren't these symptomatic of a welfare state?  Aren't welfare states facing fiscal problems.   Unless one's surname ends in -os or -i,   these benefits will continue for the immediate future.  Nevertheless,   "a change is gonna come, yes it will." 

This has been my only contention from my first post on the matter. The advice to exclude an American for the reasons Ade stated is quite trifling and one couldn't help but to see some other agenda. Half or more of the reasons BC tossed out AFAIK do not even pertain. Maybe they do elsewhere?


I see no problem whatsoever with any FSUW who wishes to target a specific region or country or any other woman for that matter. Although, I'd hate to know I had one of those but, to each their own.


If this pursuit isn't about boy meets girl, relationships and futures, then it is a business deal with expiration dates and I would be very weary. Advising to exclude an American because he is American with no regard to the individual is bad advice IMHP

[Vincenzo]

A foreigner's imperfect English is equal to his American-born colleague?   If you were British I say you were making a clever insult of us Yanks.

Somehow, the Austrian ex-governor of California couldn't manage to pronounce the word "Kalifornia" correctly.

It seems that nobody cares about accents even in Hollywood: most skinny romantic actresses are British, Australian, etc.

[BC]

Advising to exclude an American because he is American with no regard to the individual is bad advice IMHP

FP,

Ade did provide a good bit of leeway in his statement.

Jerra, if I were you, I'd avoid men from the US (or at least don't prioritize them over others).

[Ade]

Advising to exclude an American because he is American with no regard to the individual is bad advice IMHP

In the same way I'd advise American men that it would be better to look closer to home, I'd advise a FSUW to look close to home too. The grass is greener fantasy is more often than not just that, a fantasy.

Perhaps you want to go back and read what I wrote now, but try to keep that overly sensitive nationalistic pride out of it?

[Gator]

 

FP,

Ade did provide a good bit of leeway in his statement.

   
 

Perhaps you want to go back and read what I wrote now, but try to keep that overly sensitive nationalistic pride out of it?

    
 
Why do I laugh?  If BC had read more, and if Ade had recall, maybe they would see:
 
 

Personally, if I were a FSUW, I would rule out the US and not bother there unless I became desperate. The reasons I have are many and I won't go into them, but let's just say that, IMO, most of Western Europe, Northern Europe, Canada and New Zealand/Australasia are better options and provide a better or equal quality of life. Given that has to be close to 200 million men, I don't see that should be an issue.

Please....we know Ade's true colors. 
 
 

[Vincenzo]

In the same way I'd advise American men that it would be better to look closer to home, I'd advise a FSUW to look close to home too.

Then a woman has little choice: only the UK if she knows only English.

If she knows Swedish or Norwegian, it opens new destinations, of course.