Realistic Expectations

[Donna_Pedro]

Interesting how things turn out:  calculating women call out "throw a man from his pedestal, we don't give a sh!t what he thinks" but "first we need him to give us a better and secure life" 

unfair, right?    You are so surprised like its the first unfair thing you have ever encountered in life. Really, at first this "how do you go to bed with a person whom you dont love", now this "unfair" thing.. whats next?

[OlgaH]

unfair, right?     

Honestly, I'm surprised  the word "unfair" popped up under your fingers 

[Donna_Pedro]

Honestly, I'm surprised  the word "unfair" popped up under your fingers 

If my answers frighten you, Vincent, you should cease asking scary questions (c)

[OlgaH]

If my answers frighten you, Vincent, you should cease asking scary questions (c)

"Snakes on a plane"  I'm not a fan of  "Best Worst" movies 

Oh no, it was "Pulp fiction" 



 

[jeff9556]

So forgive me, I dont give a flying f..k about what you or other people think about my "obsessive needs". My opinion matters by default.

Sure you don't, that must be why you keep repeating yourself, over and over... 

I mean seriously, are you so lacking in intelligence that you cannot understand live and let live?

Or maybe you think its your god given right to ram your opinion down everyone's throat, tell them they are fools and that you are not, because everyone else is wrong and your right?

That's usually how things work isn't it Donna, everyone else is wrong and you are right?

[BC]

Sure you don't, that must be why you keep repeating yourself, over and over... 

I mean seriously, are you so lacking in intelligence that you cannot understand live and let live?

Or maybe you think its your god given right to ram your opinion down everyone's throat, tell them they are fools and that you are not, because everyone else is wrong and your right?

That's usually how things work isn't it Donna, everyone else is wrong and you are right?

Jeff,

debate never ceases until one party or the other ceases, meet in the middle or move on to another topic.  That's the 'nature of the beast'.

Donna seems to share what seems to be a more pragmatic, practical point of view. Maybe a bit extreme but also not far from 'true life'.

I say 'carry on..' as the topic still has educational and entertainment value.

Or should it just die out for lack of breath by a few?

[Faux Pas]

Sure you don't, that must be why you keep repeating yourself, over and over... 

I mean seriously, are you so lacking in intelligence that you cannot understand live and let live?

Or maybe you think its your god given right to ram your opinion down everyone's throat, tell them they are fools and that you are not, because everyone else is wrong and your right?

That's usually how things work isn't it Donna, everyone else is wrong and you are right?

DP stated her opinion on various subjects in this thread and it has been met with much opposition. I can only guess because it doesn't dovetail with the pervasive thought processes here and quite frankly her line of thought can be a bit threatening to the male psyche in this pursuit. Why shouldn't she continue to defend her opinion especially in the face of repeated assault?

I say listen, remain objective. She is stating a very basic truth. All men need to hear it, whether they believe it or not.

DP, please continue. You are forcing some guys to turn on a light to some darkness many deny might exist. 

[Donna_Pedro]

Sure you don't, that must be why you keep repeating yourself, over and over... 

and you (not just you, but you too) keep reacting to my posts over and over.. I was not the only one who created 13 pages worth of posts in this thread, was I? Its as simple here as it is in real life - if a person's opinion bothers you, step aside and dont listen. But if you do listen and react, take it like an adult, do not complain when it hurts "down your throat".

[TheTraveler]

Interesting how things turn out:  calculating women call out "throw a man from his pedestal, we don't give a sh!t what he thinks" but "first we need him to give us a better and secure life" 

LOL!

+1

[JR]

DP stated her opinion on various subjects in this thread and it has been met with much opposition. I can only guess because it doesn't dovetail with the pervasive thought processes here and quite frankly her line of thought can be a bit threatening to the male psyche in this pursuit. Why shouldn't she continue to defend her opinion especially in the face of repeated assault?

I say listen, remain objective. She is stating a very basic truth. All men need to hear it, whether they believe it or not.

DP, please continue. You are forcing some guys to turn on a light to some darkness many deny might exist. 

+1

[GQBlues]

....I mean seriously, are you so lacking in intelligence that you cannot understand live and let live?

Or maybe you think its your god given right to ram your opinion down everyone's throat, tell them they are fools and that you are not, because everyone else is wrong and your right?
.....

 
Was that really intended for DP, or were you speaking to yourself...about yourself?

[Misha]

She is stating a very basic truth.

A basic truth that applies to some women, not all. If you are implying that all RW share D_P's view, then I would disagree.

[Eduard]

A basic truth that applies to some women, not all. If you are implying that all RW share D_P's view, then I would disagree.

+1

[Simoni]

A basic truth that applies to some women, not all. If you are implying that all RW share D_P's view, then I would disagree.

Same for me, Misha.  All these sad negative people with an ugly view of life makes me happy that I don't live in this virtual world of RWD.


Yes, I'm snowed in today in New England, but that is a good thing.  Life with my intelligent, kind, thoughtful and yes beautiful FSU wife is amazing.  I'm signing off here and going to retreat to our basement for popcorn and movies with my real family.  Life is good when you get away from the opinions of those who want to think everyone shares their misery...

[Jumper]

Interesting how things turn out:  calculating women call out "throw a man from his pedestal, we don't give a sh!t what he thinks" but "first we need him to give us a better and secure life"

LOL, yes thats usually how it is,
and
yes certanly life is unfair, it's the first rule of life afterall.
 
I completely understand the FSU woman looking west being pragmatic about their approach..
It's kind of a given considering economic disparity drives the whole scene in the first place?
 
There is some balance to this, that's not being completely represented?
There are plenty of FSU woman, that have realistic expectations and no entitlement attitude.They are quite well adjusted adults in any country, and can function normally
like most people do each day. All Live! without a (safety) net.
They are neither irresponcible for doing so, nor are they overly romantic.They happen to behave the same in international marriages as they would in a domestic one.
Some men and women, even relocate here on their very own, sometimes with children, and make decent lives for themselves ,all without a *sponsor*.
I know it might be hard to believe,but it exists.
 
While I can emphathize better than most on the difficulties of relocating..
 
The *relocation card* is being over played here,big time.
but shes relocating!!!!!!and she has a child in some cases....
 so everything must guaranteed ahead of time to be bigger, better !
 
then she can decide to love..
lololololol
 
Wait, what was that saying ? lifes not fair?
 
what about this one-
if you want a guarantee , buy a toaster..?
or my personal favorite-
western men are shopping in the trash dump?
 
any number of fun DP quotes and ideals from the past !!
(most of which i completely agree with)
 
Lets be blunt DP, as thats the way you like it
 
 The *trash heap* you refered to really only has one thing to offer?
 love, or the illusion of it.
Anytme the dump gets generally, or primarly  pragmatic , (which is understandable enough)
it loses much of that primary  appeal,now granted,  thats not fair at all!!
 but it is reality.
 
Both sides of the equation are mostly unrealistic.
 
 

[Misha]

Life is good when you get away from the opinions of those who want to think everyone shares their misery...

I am really happy to see that you are doing well Simoni!

[Donna_Pedro]

 
Was that really intended for DP, or were you speaking to yourself...about yourself?

exactly! here is another  example of someone who creates his own reality in his head and then arues with it.
 

those who want to think everyone shares their misery...

People do tend to do it when their brain can not comprehend a new concept. It does not sit right, so they try to "create" additional details ("sad", "negative", "misery") which  allows them to fit un-known concepts in to their mentality.  I dont blame them. Its a subconscious process, they can not control. But its funny to watch.
 
To Simoni - Since "sad", "negative", and "misery" do not quite cut it, let me give you a juicy one to chew on -   I drink blood of Christian babies for breakfast.
 

[Simoni]

I am really happy to see that you are doing well Simoni!

Ditto to you guys, Misha!

[Donna_Pedro]

LOL, yes thats usually how it is,
but shes relocating!!!!!!and she has a child in some cases....
 so everything must guaranteed ahead of time to be bigger, better !
then she can decide to love..
lololololol

I have read your post three times and I have failed to understand it. Its your second big one that I had to leave without an answer because I simply can not grasp - what is it you are trying to say? But both  posts are very emotional.  Could you possibly fit it  in one sentance.. or two?

[Maxx2]

I've been lurking about this thread trying to figure who's got what right and to what degree.


It seems what we have a tendency to take a person's position on an issue that we disagree with and radicalize it. Then of course put it down. Take Donna's position of making sure the man is financially well off before starting a relationship with. That a RW should not put herself into a position that love could develop with a person who does not have the assets and income to give her a comfortable and dignified life. Should not us men do something similar? That is if we know a 20-30-40 age difference is going to be a problem we should not contact hot 20-30-40 year old Russian women (If we are in our 40's, 50's, 60's and beyond)? In regards to finances and RW. A friend of mine happily married 10 years to a RW thinks we men should vet our women as far as their finances. That is they, the RW, should have a higher education, a stable career, come from a loving family, have a decent paid for apartment and drive their own paid for car.


As far as Donna coming off as a cold hearted mercenary gold digger. I have no doubt if Danny her husband hit the skids in the coming "Greater Depression" (it's going to affect all of you) she would be the Decembrist bride of legend.

[jeff9556]

DP stated her opinion on various subjects in this thread and it has been met with much opposition. I can only guess because it doesn't dovetail with the pervasive thought processes here and quite frankly her line of thought can be a bit threatening to the male psyche in this pursuit. Why shouldn't she continue to defend her opinion especially in the face of repeated assault?

I say listen, remain objective. She is stating a very basic truth. All men need to hear it, whether they believe it or not.

DP, please continue. You are forcing some guys to turn on a light to some darkness many deny might exist. 

I did not disagree with DP or in fact anyone here. Each to their own. Its just extremely boring to hear the same opinion over and over. For goodness sake let everyone share their opinion. DP has shared hers, I do not seek to object to it - its her opinion, so be it. But does everyone who shares a different opinion need to be subjected to her ridicule? Is that also fair? Just giving it back Faux Pas.

If some people feel threatened by DP's ideas, well that's their problem. Frankly I think there's an element of truth and some value in all the opinions shared here.

[jeff9556]

Was that really intended for DP, or were you speaking to yourself...about yourself?

LOL, yes, you are correct, its both. I know precisely what it means, doesn't always mean I practice it.

[Donna_Pedro]

she would be the Decembrist bride of legend.

 
Hold on a second, and what do you call  3 years in Auburn, AL? following by 3 in Panama City, FL??? Pleasure trips?   

[sniper]

 
Hold on a second, and what do you call  3 years in Auburn, AL? following by 3 in Panama City, FL??? Pleasure trips? 

Just a side note, I absolutely agree with you and share your point of view on the issue.
Just wanted to ask - whats so wrong with Panama City(was considering moving there)

[Jumper]

I have read your post three times and I have failed to understand it. Its your second big one that I had to leave without an answer because I simply can not grasp - what is it you are trying to say? But both  posts are very emotional.  Could you possibly fit it  in one sentance.. or two?

I think most people grasp them,
and don't be modest, your English comprehension is just fine.
 
Two sentences?
 
1. I recognize the pragmatic fundamentals in the MOB *scene* you refer to and defend.
2. I feel you ignore both opinions and facts,  if they don't fit your black/white perceptions.