scammed by yeva4u

[Eduard]

umyishlenno opuskaiy Vashe imya, tak kak Vy prekrasno poimete k komy ia obrashchaiys', uvazhaemiy byivshiy sootechestvennik.  Mne kazhetsiy, i ia ne raz eto zamechala, chto Vy ne vsegda ispol'zyete dostoinye metodiy dlia reklamy svoego biznesa. I eshche,  ne dostoino dlia russkogo myzhchiny obshchat'sia s zhenshinami (tem bolee svoimi sootechestvennistami ) tak, kak Vy eto sebe inogda pozvolyete na saite.  Nadeiys', Vy poimete menia pravil'no.

Sorry for my weird spelling

kak naprimer?

[ghost of moon goddess]

nailychshii sposob - poprosit' svoiy suprugu predstavit' sebia odnoi iz teh, kto vyskazivaet svoi mnenia ns etom saite na osnove polychennogo opita.

[Eduard]

nailychshii sposob - poprosit' svoiy suprugu predstavit' sebia odnoi iz teh, kto vyskazivaet svoi mnenia ns etom saite na osnove polychennogo opita.

Vi ne otvetili na moj vopros.

[ghost of moon goddess]

neyzheli?
Ia predlozhila Vam predostavit' vozmozhnost Vashei supruge pochitat', naprimer,  etot forum, ona Vam skazhet.
Dymaiy, ona obratit vnimanie na Vashi posti  ot 11.49 i 12.14.

Tolko ne nado govorit', chto Vash angliiskiy ne pozvolil Vam poniat', chto tam napisano - vse predel'no chetko i yasno

Ia prekrashchaiy etu polemiky, poschitala vozmoznym skazat' Vam to, chto dumala, Vashe delo - prinimat' eto ili net.
Horoshego dnia 

[Doll]

  Vashi posti  ot 11.49 i 12.14.

 

What do these numbers mean?

[Eduard]

neyzheli?
Ia predlozhila Vam predostavit' vozmozhnost Vashei supruge pochitat', naprimer,  etot forum, ona Vam skazhet.
Dymaiy, ona obratit vnimanie na Vashi posti  ot 11.49 i 12.14.

Tolko ne nado govorit', chto Vash angliiskiy ne pozvolil Vam poniat', chto tam napisano - vse predel'no chetko i yasno

Ia prekrashchaiy etu polemiky, poschitala vozmoznym skazat' Vam to, chto dumala, Vashe delo - prinimat' eto ili net.
Horoshego dnia 

Moya supriga ingda chitaet etot forum i ni kakih problem s moimi postgami u nee ne bilo. Ochen stranno chto u Vas oni est'.

[ghost of moon goddess]

What do these numbers mean?

time

Moya supriga ingda chitaet etot forum i ni kakih problem s moimi postgami u nee ne bilo. Ochen stranno chto u Vas oni est'.

[Vasilisa]

Eduard, wow, so you made  up the story with bruttus to promote your agency?!

[Eduard]

Eduard, wow, so you made  up the story with bruttus to promote your agency?!

now I'm completely lost! What are you two talking about?

[Gator]

Gator...were you there to know what was said? His ' fantasy' was to find a women interested in him, unfortunately, he had to pay for this 'fantasy'. I do not see what was illegal.......was it the amount spent?

My response was addressed to some at RWD who believe that Brutus is the bad person, and the girls are doing nothing that is wrong, just making some money by tricking Brutus into believing his fantasy.  Are you in the camp who believes being stupid  makes the victim a bad person?   And do you condone a clever person who deceives a stupid person? 
 
Is this a case of fraud?   Proof of fraud requires a rigorous examination with convincing proof of nine different elements of a representation (e. g., the speaker's knowledge of its falsity).  IMO it would be near impossible to prove fraud.   It might be easier to prove temporary insanity.   

[Gator]

Nothing wrong.

You said this before, and I rephrased the question to be specific.  Again, you answer the same.
 
Now we know your values.   
 
Is it "right" to ask for travel money to meet a man and then go to Italy instead?   Is it "right" to encourage a man who is looking for a wife to visit you, and you hide from him that you have a boyfriend?   Is it "right" to not be attracted to a man but convince him to take you to party spots and pay for your friends as well.
 
Personally I would have trouble sleeping at night if I operated this agency or if I were one of the dyevs fueling the fantasy and profiting from it.      I do not want to hear that these UW probably are economically disadvantaged.  My folks were dirt poor as Appalachia farm kids in the Great Depression.   They somehow retained their belief in the good side of human nature and imprinted those values into me.   

Thousands of commercials on TV or Internet "encourage" you to spend your money, so it is up to you to do it or not.

Yes, but we have laws about truth in advertising.   

 

For 20,000 I will go to Russia 2 times and then buy a new car for myself. Skype is free, to call from the US to the Russian province is 8-9 cents per minute.

Yes, you are smarter than Brutus.   Most of us are because we read RWD.

[Vasilisa]

Nothing wrong.
Thousands of commercials on TV or Internet "encourage" you to spend your money, so it is up to you to do it or not.
For 20,000 I will go to Russia 2 times and then buy a new car for myself. Skype is free, to call from the US to the Russian province is 8-9 cents per minute.

I agree I have also seen the following thing: automatic renewal, it mean that if you become a member of something and pay for a month or 2 they renew your membership and take the money from your card without asking. I've seen that so many times, on quite reliable websites, people complain but nothing is done, they just keep doing this. That's why I prefer paying for diffrent  memberships using a prepaid giftcard with a little sum of money on it and I can see messages like " the renewal of your membership failed" in my mailbox on a regular basis.
Yeah, right, because I didn't ask for it, why did you try to renew it without my permission.
Also when you read reviews many things don't work te way they are supposed to work according to the commercial.

What kind of warranties are we talking about when it is about relationship and feelings?! How can one put a warranty on a feeling?! If you pay this sum 100% the girl you picked up from our catalogue will fall in love with you and wants to marry you in 6 month' time and if you pay that sum she will love you and want to marry you after the first date?!
If you call right now you will also get a cat and a dog and a box of baby diapers for free.

[Vasilisa]

Did bruttus read the contract with the agency? what does it say?
From what we know he has had a lot of romantic videocalls and was introduced to a lot of girls ( the girls he was writing to and their friends, too), the sum for the apartment was not very big for a big city.

Maybe the girls had serious intentions about him, the expensive video calls is not their fault, then he mentioned something when was having conversations with them, so they backed up.They don't have to keep on writing to him and make promises if he said them something that dissapointed them. Then he called to the agency and started asking for money he spent on the girls back and they laughed at him.  We don't know the whole story.
It may just be an expensive agency that charges a lot for everything, but mentions this in the contract and in return promises to introduce the man to a lot of girls, it doesn't mean they are scammers. If he was sitting looking at them thinking how much the dinner would cost it was his problem.
Did Bruttus read the contract?

[Vasilisa]

I want to the website of the agency, it doesn't make any promises that all women will want to marry you no matter what you write. It says that the service fee for the calls and the rest will be gven to you according to the nformation you will provide them with (it was your right to step away and or get involved), here is also the interesting part:(it's about Russia though, but it's the same agency)
"You choice has never been so wide ! You can invite your friend, a Lady with whom You have been corresponding via our site in order to learn more about each other and feel each other in a relaxing and pleasant atmosphere!

Our company represents not only marriage agency, but also an authorised tourist agency. For this reason we offer You and Your Lady a genuine cultural tour!

In case if You have not met a Lady of Your dreams yet, don't miss a chance to meet Slavic Ladies, who are beautiful, young, intelligent, affectionate, have sense of humour and desire to be happy in marriage!

During our parties You will, by all means, meet a Lady of Your heart, who would like to be your spouse! We want to make Your dreams come true and offer You wide range of services, which will make this trip unforgettable!

It is worth visit one of the most wonderful cities in the world, pearl of Russia, and to accompany Your Ladies during this creative and romantic trip!
As for the terms of participation, please read the following information:

- All the Ladies, taking part in this program, are invited personally by men.
- We strongly support the "Violence against women Act of 2005".
- Our tour Romantic Rendez-Vous 2008 promises to be very interesting: We will offer You number of various Parties aimed to facilitate communication and lasting relationship with Your Lady.
- You will also have an opportunity to invite Ladies from the list, who live outside Saint-Petersburg and whom you would like to see during this trip. In this case you will have to take care about all the expenses for the Lady's trip to Saint-Petersburg.
- You will be able to submit a list of Ladies, who live in Saint-Petersburg, and our employees will invite them to our parties. This list should be submitted 15 to 30 days prior to the trip.  In case if these changes cause some additional expenses, they will be paid by You.
- You will have a chance to invite new lady for every day and every cultural event of this romantic Tour. Naturally ladies should be invited in advance and their consent should be obtained prior to the Tour.
- The price of tour Romantic Rendez-Vous 2008 in a group (20 persons) is 1920 euros, excluding tickets and consular taxes. This price includes: single room with a air-conditioner in a 4* hotel, which you can see on the following website: www.hotel-moscow.ru/
"
From which it sounds to me that you ordered some tour , clicked on a bunch of girls' pictures and paid for their invitation to the restaurants.
It does sound like the agency that charges a lot for everything, but it warns you about everything, too, so it's your right not to sign it and move back
lol ahahahaha
I'd recommend to learn English better.

[Daveman]

...
Maybe the girls had serious intentions about him...

 


sure they did, as did their boyfriends too..    

[Vasilisa]

Here is the warning about scammers given by the agency itself:
"Please, DO NOT SEND MONEY TO WOMEN IN ANY CASE! BE AWARE OF SCAMMERS! . Asking for money is forbidden on www.yeva-4u.com.ua. To prevent any fraud we offer all our services to women FREE OF CHARGE, so there is no need for woman to ask for money to pay for correspondence, for translating letters or to pay for any other services provided on the site. FOR WOMEN ALL THESE ARE FREE.."

Are you curious why they didn't want to pay the money spent on the girls back?!
I just see them as an over priced agency, but again, it's upto you to join it or not.
It's not their fault that men are sending the money to the girls and that the girls are not perfect.

It's not their fault also that you can't find the woman of your dream where you live and go to the country which language you don't know and sign a lot of papers you don't understand, and don't read the warnings.

[bruttus]

they didn't asked money at yeva
only the last time, with elizaveta, but that was because i still trusted them

so even they held themselves on the rules of the agency
but still, i have a small impression that you work there vasilisa

[Vasilisa]

and that was here answer
""Our agency is located in Saint Petersburg and I carry no responsibility for the girls from Zaporozhye agencies""

From what I have read on their website this sounds about right as Ukraine is a different country, they probably have their own office there.

[Vasilisa]

they didn't asked money at yeva
only the last time, with elizaveta, but that was because i still trusted them

so even they held themselves on the rules of the agency
but still, i have a small impression that you work there vasilisa

Yeah, my office in in the US. I am offering tours with American ladies, 
They LOVE  guys from Belgian bakeries.
Don't forget to bring the money for the diamond rings as American ladies will not accept the proposal without them.

PS: we got that yeva didn't ask you for the money, those were the girls who did and the agency had warned you not to send money to the girls.

[Daveman]

they didn't asked money at yeva
only the last time, with elizaveta, but that was because i still trusted them

so even they held themselves on the rules of the agency
but still, i have a small impression that you work there vasilisa

And there it is.. you placed trust in someone who had not yet had opportunity to prove worthy of it.  No need to be paranoid, but don't throw trust at a stranger. It'll grow naturally as a relationship develops. 

[Vasilisa]

And yes, if you care to open their agreement and read what the agency writes before paying you work there.

I am not the only one who mentioned that, many women did the same, but you are ignoring our words for some reason, and I have already given you a lot of opinions of what you should do: start with a psychologyst because you seem to be  really naive and  immature for your age, then start dating in your contry. International dating process takes too much money, energy, optimism, you don't look like the one who is ready to give a lot and  to be ready for the loss.

[bruttus]

look, i just wanted to post mine story in the hope that some naive guy, like me, can recognise himself in that story
and that he's warned about it, because how you look, everywhere you see that agency is a scam, and that is a scam, etc....
but i made it true, and how many men had the same experience that i have, but are to ashamed to tell it
did i kill someone with this story, thankgod no, but those thoughts i have now when i see one of them back in real
do i look like a fool when i posted this story, maybe, that's up to you to decide
am i humiliated, in mine eyes, yes
I'm not going to say that i was an angel in all of this, but common, how i was treated, and when the money runs up, I'm good for the dirt
if i was a sextourist, you be wright, they deserve this, but i came just to meet that girl, and she made mine head go crazy, and as a stupid moron, i believed here
at that time, before i met them in real, i was working mine butt of, no time for games of relationships, only work, so yes, i was inexperienced with girls, because it was to long ago when i made some time for it
and there was 9y difference, witch i thought that it wasn't that bad, even when i see that there are men from 70y old, running around with a girl, barley mine age

[BdHvA]

I'd recommend to learn English better.

   

[bruttus]

And yes, if you care to open their agreement and read what the agency writes before paying you work there.

I am not the only one who mentioned that, many women did the same, but you are ignoring our words for some reason, and I have already given you a lot of opinions of what you should do: start with a psychologyst because you seem to be  really naive and  immature for your age, then start dating in your contry. International dating process takes too much money, energy, optimism, you don't look like the one who is ready to give a lot and  to be ready for the loss.

really
I'm naive, and maybe immature for mine age, but about energy, optimism and money, that you tell me that, i don't think that no1 has lost so much money by the same girls like me, so there is the money, and with the money, mine optimism and mine energy went away
so don't you dare to judge me about that
and if you have to know me in real life, you would see what kind of person i am, maybe a immature person, but i admit that i was foolish enough to believe them.
and for the record, i don't have no problems to get local girls, but the difference with, what i have seen BTW, is that local girls from mine country, when they are series dating, they don't look anymore at themselves, while the UW, even at older age, but that is only from what i have seen there, so don't judge me if I'm wrong, that they still look at themselves

[Vasilisa]

I'm not going to say that i was an angel in all of this, but common, how i was treated, and when the money runs up, I'm good for the dirt
if i was a sextourist, you be wright, they deserve this, but i came just to meet that girl, and she made mine head go crazy, and as a stupid moron, i believed here

Which girl exactly?!  You dated 2 girls who knew each other!!! and is upset and that they were not serious! What is wrong with you?