Unrealistic Expectations - Women - Entitlement Mentality

[calmissile]

Doll,

Don't worry about it.  I asked the question of OlgaH and I am pretty sure she understood the question.

If your going to quote me, please read and include the whole sentence:
How long did I take you to develop a pleasant personality in your speech and English writing.

[2tallbill]

Olga has ALWAYS been a sweet heart.

I know because neither tigers nor sweet hearts change their stripes

[calmissile]

Quote from 2tallbill
Olga has ALWAYS been a sweet heart.
I know because neither tigers nor sweet hearts change their stripes

+1

[2tallbill]

Doll,

Don't worry about it.  I asked the question of OlgaH and I am pretty sure she understood the question.

If your going to quote me, please read and include the whole sentence:
How long did I take you to develop a pleasant personality in your speech and English writing.

Doug the wording is still clunky, how about this


"Your English is every good! and shows your charming personality. How long
did it take for you to learn English at such a high level?"


[Bills example is a little bit clunky too]

[calmissile]

Very good modification Bill.

Now, where on the site can I find the instructions on how to use the quotes feature?

[LAman]

Doll,

Don't worry about it.  I asked the question of OlgaH and I am pretty sure she understood the question.

If your going to quote me, please read and include the whole sentence:
How long did I take you to develop a pleasant personality in your speech and English writing.

Its getting worse Doug!!!! Maybe Olga can help with your 'speech and english writing'? 
BTW....there is no such thing as 'always' and 'never'.........

[Daveman]

Newbies, here is a lesson in RW antics... now, surely you currently think to yourself "nay, Daveman, there canst be lesson here... thou art in error!"


To which I say... bwahahahahah!



Look how rapidly we get from "develop a pleasant personality and nice English" to "wicked woman before America" ..  this is classic..  and I do mean C L A S S I C 


Now imagine the exponential magnification of this dramatic effect if they were really angry over something... got milk?


 


GO RW GO!!!
Kick his ass! 


The moral of this story is... heal your RW of her evil, wicked, reprobate pre America ways or you must SUFFER!

[Doll]

Doll,

Don't worry about it.  I asked the question of OlgaH and I am pretty sure she understood the question.

If your going to quote me, please read and include the whole sentence:
How long did I take you to develop a pleasant personality in your speech and English writing.

FYI, speech and English writing are same things.
I remember you asked Olga.
 

[Doll]

 
GO RW GO!!!
Kick his ass! 

Not a problem!

[OlgaH]

Thanks, guys, I had a good laugh 

Olga has ALWAYS been a sweet heart.

I know because neither tigers nor sweet hearts change their stripes

Bill, I think sweet heart tiger would be more correct - "I catch charmingly,  play gently and than kill softly or let it go"  and  I have different kind of stripes too... OK maybe not a tiger, better to say a 110 lbs cat with stripes 

Agree!
 
Olga, please tell us the truth!!! Were you a wicked woman before America?

 depends on a translation, there are different meanings in English-Russian dictionary 
 I choose "озорной, хулиганский"  a naughty bundle of mischief 

and I'm not a human being in the morning until I have my cup of coffee 

[missAmeno]

If God forbid something happens to my husband I have two options: to sell our business or continue to run it. Of course I can not counsel lawyers, I don't have my husband's expertise and experience, but I can do what I do now.

I didnt want to comment at first but it doesn't go away from my mind. Оль, true is when something like that happens you wont be able to deal with either of those options. I know.

In the beginning it seems impossible to decide what is right to do: sell or keep running it. When for years all decisions (specially regarding business) have been taken together its hard to accept that from now on it must be different. When you have to learn to live a life without your loved one it will be impossible to keep your head clear and do what is right for business. Every new day will show you how much he use to contribute to that business, his skills, knowledge and how much you have to learn to keep business survival day by day. If you decide to keep it running every day will remind you how hard it is without him.

My point is if you are involved/working in your partner's/husband's business you must learn every aspect of that business. Take it as extra insurance for your family (specially if you have kids).

[OlgaH]

My point is if you are involved/working in your partner's/husband's business you must learn every aspect of that business.

and that what I have been doing, I'm an owner of our business as well. But being realistic, I doubt I can make up for his knowledge in personal injury, catastrophic death, defective products and so on, case and  trial strategy, jury consultanting      But I still will be able to offer the services that I offer today.

If you decide to keep it running every day will remind you how hard it is without him.

psychological aspect is also understandable.

[Eduard]

So, Legal, you better stay alive and well ) we don't want our Olechka to go through all those changes!

[OlgaH]

So, Legal, you better stay alive and well ) we don't want our Olechka to go through all those changes!

Ed, my husband is in good hands, as my Russia friends say "Ольга и мертвого поднимет"  He and I as well worry more if something happens to me even temporarily, that will be a shocker and a shaker for our business

[Eduard]

Ed, my husband is in good hands, as my Russia friends say "Ольга и мертвого поднимет"  He and I as well worry more if something happens to me even temporarily, that will be a shocker and a shaker for our business

I hope nothing happens to either one of you!

[Kuna]

I didn't read all 22 pages of this thread - the first few posts was enough.

My comment to the OP is that I thought it was extraordinary that he was discussing these decisions in such detail before (it seems) even meeting and during what was 3 weeks of correspondence.

Moving too fast???  How about going to meet the lady to see if there was any spark first?

Goodness only knows what goes on with some wife-hunters.  I'm waiting for someone to complain one day that a woman rejected his pre-nup so he's decided not to go meet her - or has that already happened???   


The other thing, and this is important...  this is an expensive journey. If you're thinking about how to make the money stretch to include a wife and two daughters forget it...  I know some people (Yes Misha) can get by on a frugal lifestyle but I think that is very unusual.

Are you sure you're not looking for a retirement income rather than a wife?

All the best in your search (if it's still going), but really...  you should reject all contact with women who are more than 10 years younger than you. If you're looking for companionship in your later years good on you...  if you're looking for excitement be careful - sounds like you'll be left behind.

[mies]

I found an interesting (in my view) blog which would fit nicely into the discussion of entitlement mentality.
There is a girl.
I found her blog while browsing semi-mindlessly on the web. And somehow it caught my attention. Because everyone heard of girls who receive apartments and cars as "gifts" from men, but participants of this thread are mostly leaning towards the conclusion that such stories are made up and some women want too much and never get it.

So, here is this girl. Her blog entries lead me thinking that several of her recent lovers, and her current lover too - are married, wealthy, and significantly older than her. She is now 27. She wants to have a child. From a wealthy man. She would agree to have a child from a married man, if the man will give her 2-bedroom apartment in downtown Kiev and generous allowance. She checked the prices in local primary schools - the "tuition" in cheapest ones is 600/mo. (I assume she was only checking "private/elite" schools). She is sad that this year no man greeted her with women's day, only female friend did. She is lonely, lives with her cat. On holidays she watches old Soviet movies and cartoons. She says that several years ago she had many couture clothes and shoes, and fun social life (paid by her suitors/lovers). But was living in a crappy rented apartment and was dreaming of her own apartment and her own car, she wanted to settle down and have a child. Now she finally has her own apartment and car, but significantly less financial support from men, and she is sad that she cannot buy 2 pairs of new brand-name shoes this season, and barely can afford one pair. She writes that she had many illusions when she was young that she would find the man who would want to take care of her, but all men keep extra apartments "for sluts" (her own words) and are not interested in changing their current wife for new one. At the same time she still believes that nobody should marry and bear children with guys who aren't wealthy, because poor guys cannot provide for their family. She also disapproves the women who are "too easy to get" and would sleep with a guy/date a guy who spent on them 200-300$ for restaurant or present. She says that such women are cheap, that this isn't real money and men throw them to women as a bait without even noticing because it's such a small amoung, and women should have some pride. She is also sharing some very deep thoughts about achieving her dream, and that it took her almost 10 years to get only few items from her dream list, she asks herself how many more years will it take to achieve the rest, and whether it would be possible at all, and soon she will be 30 and no one wants a woman after 30. And so on.
Overall, she seems very nice, and I feel sorry for her situation, in a way.

So, what do you think? Is this an entitlement mentality?
In a way, yes, but she did get what she wanted - not a family with children, but she does have her own apartment, and a car, which most of women (or men) in Ukraine cannot afford to buy (without help of parents or somebody else) by the age of 27.

Question to men who are seeking for wife, and can afford to provide the lifestyle this girl desires (I presume that would be at least $5-10K/mo). Would you marry a woman like her? She looks like she genuinely wants to have family and children. She also likes to cook
P.S. on the photo she is without any makeup. In her "dolled-up" version she looks really pretty (imho)

[Muzh]

She would agree to have a child from a married man, if the man will give her 2-bedroom apartment in downtown Kiev and generous allowance.
 

 

Question to men who are seeking for wife, and can afford to provide the lifestyle this girl desires (I presume that would be at least $5-10K/mo). Would you marry a woman like her? She looks like she genuinely wants to have family and children.

P.S. on the photo she is without any makeup. In her "dolled-up" version she looks really pretty - slim, young, nice face/body etc.

LOL
 
Sounds what my exwife demanded from me on our second year of marriage. A flat in Manhattan with a maid.
 
I believe she got the idea after 30 minutes of me laughing hysterically on the floor.
 
My ex was prettier.

[mies]

LOL
 
Sounds what my exwife demanded from me on our second year of marriage. A flat in Manhattan with a maid.
 
I believe she got the idea after 30 minutes of me laughing hysterically on the floor.
 
My ex was prettier.

Muzh, thank you for your reply and sharing your story.

the difference between your ex-wife and this girl in the fact that this girl did actually get a flat. Not in Manhattan nor downtown Kyiv, but still - she did.

[Gator]

Mies,
 
Which one in the photo is the woman?   One looks like a female Shadow in fine clothing, and the other is nondescript.   
 
 

Overall, she seems very nice, and I feel sorry for her situation, in a way.

She is indeed sad.  Nice?

So, what do you think? Is this an entitlement mentality?

Yes, a prime example.
 

Question to men who are seeking for wife, and can afford to provide the lifestyle this girl desires (I presume that would be at least $5-10K/mo). Would you marry a woman like her? She looks like she genuinely wants to have family and children. She also likes to cook

Why?  Because she is honest about her unrealistic demands?   
 
Women such as this are never satisfied.  That is why their expectations are unrealistic.  Question:  where is the man who bought her the apartment and car?  he is GONE because he got tired of her taking her crap!
 
She is young and hopefully will mature in time to have a baby. 

[mies]

Mies,
 
Which one in the photo is the woman?   One looks like a female Shadow in fine clothing, and the other is nondescript.   
 
 Question:  where is the man who bought her the apartment and car?  he is GONE because he got tired of her taking her crap!
 
She is young and hopefully will mature in time to have a baby.

in my understanding, she is dating the same men who got her apartment and a car. He isn't gone, but he is married and naturally he doesn't want to have children with her - he has his own children in marriage. But he doesn't mind her in the role of lover. She is thinking of dumping him if she finds a man who can give her same lifestyle and a child. Ideally, also a good-looking and not much older than herself.

For the record - she has a regular full-time job too, started working when she was in college and works ever since. Only her salary is not high enough for luxury lifestyle.

[Gator]

in my understanding, she is dating the same men who got her apartment and a car. He isn't gone, but he is married and naturally he doesn't want to have children with her - he has his own children in marriage. She is thinking of dumping him if she finds a man who can give her same lifestyle and a child.

And she writes such indiscretions in a public form with her photo.  Stupid and no class. 
 

I missed her dolled up photo.  She is thin, approaching anorexic.  Hence, she would qualify for Eduard's stable of boney assed women.    Yes, most AW are fat compared to her.  Not my taste in body style.  Too bad because  she is perfect otherwise!  Seriously, even if I were crazy enough to want a woman so young, I would avoid her.   
 
 

[mies]

And she writes such indiscretions in a public form with her photo.  Stupid and no class. 
 

I missed her dolled up photo.  She is thin, approaching anorexic.  Hence, she would qualify for Eduard's stable of boney assed women.    Yes, most AW are fat compared to her.  Not my taste in body style.  Too bad because  she is perfect otherwise!  Seriously, even if I were crazy enough to want a woman so young, I would avoid her.

Gator, thank you for your opinion.

[happyandstable]

Would you marry a woman like her?

I hope this is not a serious question!

[Anotherkiwi]

...I missed her dolled up photo.  She is thin, approaching anorexic...Not my taste in body style...Seriously, even if I were crazy enough to want a woman so young, I would avoid her.

...and these are her good points!
 
No, not for me either!