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Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
« Reply #200 on: November 23, 2019, 09:45:54 AM »
forget what ever silly French ideas you have about romance!!!
all women basically want is to be taken care of and be protected by a man

when YOU behave the way THEY want you to behave...
then THEY will behave the way YOU want them to behave...
c'est simple, n’est pa?

totally worth the money!!!
and then some...

sleeping with your secretary provides about 80% of the typical girlfriend experience...
but 90% less hassles....
I would have kept doing this forever, but my last girlfriend that I did this with
turned the tables on me, and the hunter became the hunted, and I married her!!!
so that game’s been over for me some 20 years now...
but all the business owner’s I know today in Russia, all have a secretary/mistress on the side...
but not me...
not any more....
just great memories of the most beautiful women I ever saw...

the average guy here on RWD, doesn’t get too far past the
“dang I saw me a purty you-crane girl on that agency web site”
and I’m a gonna write her a note....”

OTOH, I’m on the other end of that scale....
if I hadn’t married and had children
I probably would’ve ended up with a lifestyle like Epstein but with legal aged girls...
so marriage saved me from this fate!!

life is always rooted in réalité mon ami...
what is in our hearts is always less important than what is in our hands...
to DO SOMETHING, is to BE SOMETHING...

so what I DO, is I give a young simple Ukrainian girl
the “time of her life” in Istanbul...
I begin with subtly teaching her the proper table etiquette for eating at the highest Michelin rated restaurant in Istanbul...
a 5 star penthouse suite at the Four Seasons...
a private limo
shopping for her at the best boutiques....
these are the “day time” activities...

i start out slowly....
I prepare meals for her and I see that she enjoys them...
I lightly touch her arm now and then, and I gauge her reaction
then I will come out of my bedroom with my shirt off and watch if she’s watching me in the mirror...then my shirt’s off more and more... and then I sit down next to her like this....
then over a drink we’ll watch some Russian kino, and usually during the second drink is when I make my move....
and then her top comes off, I used to always have a slight struggle with Russian bra clasps, but I’m pretty good at it now and can do it in a single movement!!!!
by the time the two of you hit the hotel pool, (after you buy her a new bathing suit!)
I can guarantee you that you will have seen her naked...
and if you're lucky she will sit in your lap this way and give you a big kiss...
a naked, wet woman sitting with goosebumps and erect nipples (dang air conditioning after pool!) in your lap expressing her deep gratitude to you by kissing you, is uh, uh, a pretty good feeling...
at least that's how I remember it...

worth it!!!
thanks AMEX!!!










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Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
« Reply #201 on: November 23, 2019, 11:25:48 AM »
forget what ever silly French ideas you have about romance!!!
all women basically want is to be taken care of and be protected by a man

when YOU behave the way THEY want you to behave...
then THEY will behave the way YOU want them to behave...
c'est simple, n’est pa?

totally worth the money!!!
and then some...

sleeping with your secretary provides about 80% of the typical girlfriend experience...
but 90% less hassles....
I would have kept doing this forever, but my last girlfriend that I did this with
turned the tables on me, and the hunter became the hunted, and I married her!!!
so that game’s been over for me some 20 years now...
but all the business owner’s I know today in Russia, all have a secretary/mistress on the side...
but not me...
not any more....
just great memories of the most beautiful women I ever saw...

the average guy here on RWD, doesn’t get too far past the
“dang I saw me a purty you-crane girl on that agency web site”
and I’m a gonna write her a note....”

OTOH, I’m on the other end of that scale....
if I hadn’t married and had children
I probably would’ve ended up with a lifestyle like Epstein but with legal aged girls...
so marriage saved me from this fate!!

life is always rooted in réalité mon ami...
what is in our hearts is always less important than what is in our hands...
to DO SOMETHING, is to BE SOMETHING...

so what I DO, is I give a young simple Ukrainian girl
the “time of her life” in Istanbul...
I begin with subtly teaching her the proper table etiquette for eating at the highest Michelin rated restaurant in Istanbul...
a 5 star penthouse suite at the Four Seasons...
a private limo
shopping for her at the best boutiques....
these are the “day time” activities...

i start out slowly....
I prepare meals for her and I see that she enjoys them...
I lightly touch her arm now and then, and I gauge her reaction
then I will come out of my bedroom with my shirt off and watch if she’s watching me in the mirror...then my shirt’s off more and more... and then I sit down next to her like this....
then over a drink we’ll watch some Russian kino, and usually during the second drink is when I make my move....
and then her top comes off, I used to always have a slight struggle with Russian bra clasps, but I’m pretty good at it now and can do it in a single movement!!!!
by the time the two of you hit the hotel pool, (after you buy her a new bathing suit!)
I can guarantee you that you will have seen her naked...
and if you're lucky she will sit in your lap this way and give you a big kiss...
a naked, wet woman sitting with goosebumps and erect nipples (dang air conditioning after pool!) in your lap expressing her deep gratitude to you by kissing you, is uh, uh, a pretty good feeling...
at least that's how I remember it...

worth it!!!
thanks AMEX!!!
lol, thanks AMEX, i like to read you Krim.
« Last Edit: November 23, 2019, 11:47:12 AM by Patagonie »
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Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
« Reply #202 on: November 23, 2019, 11:46:41 AM »
merci!
merci beau coup!!!! (with an Elvis sounding voice)


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« Reply #203 on: November 23, 2019, 01:11:56 PM »
Je t'aime bien garçon, tu as une pensée unique ici, même si il y a quand même pas que des gens ordinaires chez les plus actifs membres.
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Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
« Reply #204 on: November 23, 2019, 01:40:26 PM »
je être dans le rien...
pardon moi, my french patois is a trifle out of practice!
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Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
« Reply #205 on: December 12, 2019, 12:51:33 AM »
May I request, on behalf of everybody (i think) specially new guys, a refresh, an update of the "good" sites to use?

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« Reply #206 on: December 12, 2019, 07:33:33 AM »
forget what ever silly French ideas you have about romance!!!
all women basically want is to be taken care of and be protected by a man

All women basically want is to be taken care of and be protected
by a CONFIDENT man. If you aren't confident in yourself then
why would they be? They might settle for a settle for somebody
who isn't confident, but that's what they want.

« Last Edit: December 12, 2019, 08:10:31 AM by 2tallbill »
FSUW are not for entry level daters
FSUW don't do vague
FSUW like a man of action. Be a man of action 
If you find a promising girl, get your butt on a plane.
There are a hundred ways to be successful and a thousand ways to f#ck it up
Kiss the girl, don't ask her first.

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« Reply #207 on: December 12, 2019, 07:47:38 AM »
May I request, on behalf of everybody (i think) specially new guys, a refresh, an
update of the "good" sites to use?

The problem is that only guys like yourself still in the hunt know the answer.
I can tell you to avoid pay by the letter and pay to chat sites. I can tell you
to get the woman away from any agency as soon as possible, but I can't
tell you if Sallys_match_making_service.com is any good or not without
using it recently.  I don't know if Sally sold her match making service to
Harry Boris and now it sucks. He could have stole all the photos from
Russian porn stars.

If I start checking out Russian marriage agencies my beautiful Russian
wife will Keeeel me. She won't listen to me explain that isamu wants
me to help him and that I'm doing it for him.

« Last Edit: December 12, 2019, 09:11:19 AM by 2tallbill »
FSUW are not for entry level daters
FSUW don't do vague
FSUW like a man of action. Be a man of action 
If you find a promising girl, get your butt on a plane.
There are a hundred ways to be successful and a thousand ways to f#ck it up
Kiss the girl, don't ask her first.

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Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
« Reply #208 on: December 12, 2019, 08:24:33 AM »

If I start checking out Russian marriage agencies by beautiful Russian
wife will Keeeel me. She won't listen to me explain that isamu wants
me to help him and that I'm doing it for him.
:ROFL:    Exactly!

It is an important point you are making in post --things move on and do change -- 2T exposure is not that old  compared to the guys of 20 plus years ago who persist in posting without qualification of the timing.
Over time I have made that  point regularly here .
Some things do not have an expiry date--  and some places will have changed less .As  far as Ukraine is concerned -- so  much has changed in the last decade -- and particularly so over the last 5 years .Most importantly --looking forward in Ukraine there are solid reasons for optimism ( for way of life,prospects etc) and that is a vastly different scenario from 25 years ago or so .
   A FWIW  ---Unless someone actually lives permanently in Ukraine I am confident that if I have spent more time in Ukraine than anyone else that posts here .


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« Reply #209 on: December 12, 2019, 09:43:03 AM »
:ROFL:    Exactly!

It is an important point you are making in post --things move on and do change -- 2T exposure is not that old  compared to the guys of 20 plus years ago who persist in posting without qualification of the timing.
Over time I have made that  point regularly here .
Some things do not have an expiry date--  and some places will have changed less .As  far as Ukraine is concerned -- so  much has changed in the last decade -- and particularly so over the last 5 years .Most importantly --looking forward in Ukraine there are solid reasons for optimism ( for way of life,prospects etc) and that is a vastly different scenario from 25 years ago or so .
   A FWIW  ---Unless someone actually lives permanently in Ukraine I am confident that if I have spent more time in Ukraine than anyone else that posts here .

I'm not sure if I spent more time than you, but - when the check-in personnel starting to greet me
 and welcome me back with my first name even before I presented my passport I suddenly realized I have gone over there a lot these last few years  :cheesy:
Multitasking means screwing up several things at once.

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« Reply #210 on: December 12, 2019, 10:04:38 AM »
I'm not sure if I spent more time than you, but - when the check-in personnel starting to greet me
 and welcome me back with my first name even before I presented my passport I suddenly realized I have gone over there a lot these last few years  :cheesy:
It is easier for you to make short visits -- so mine tend to be longer stays !
When I arrive - they start looking at visa's over a few years and now give up quickly to stamp etc
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Слава Украине! Слава героям слава!Слава Україні! Слава героям!
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Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
« Reply #211 on: December 20, 2019, 04:39:01 AM »
Here’s another free dating site.... It looks to have a lot of Ukrainian members. Checking out the profiles, it could have some potential. Has anyone signed up in the past?


http://www.12kisses.com/

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« Reply #212 on: December 23, 2019, 08:13:03 PM »
Good women are not cheap
Cheap women are not good
(but they can be a lot of fun)

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« Reply #213 on: July 22, 2020, 10:17:06 AM »
In a discussion with another very experienced and married
member here he explained why he didn't like the Visiting
Many strategy.

He said something (paraphrased) like this: 
He tried it and it was a pain and it wasn't pleasurable juggling
speed dating, lying about other women and needing to turn his
phone off during dates to prevent calls from other ladies.


My reply was that he didn't know how to do it correctly. He was using
visit one tactics with a visit many strategy.

He called it speed dating, but if done correctly it was really
"speed dumping". You ask yourself during every date
"Is this girl worthy to dump all the others to pursue her exclusively?"

The answer is either yes or no.
If yes then dump all others and pursue her exclusively
If no then dump her and go to next date

What screws up visit many punters is they ask a girl on another date
when the answer to the question is no. They are having second dates
with more than one girl and that's why they have to lie and/or turn off
their phones.

Second screw up? Guys will ask a girl out a second time because she
is smokin' hot and she wasn't totally against the idea.

If the smokin' hot girl was totally into you and you had mutual
chemistry and she was honest, clever and interesting then you
clear the board of all others and pursue her only.

However, that isn't what happens. They date a smokin' hot woman
and she sorta likes them while they keep dating others and then
they are in the described situation of juggling.

You don't want a woman who is sorta interested. You dump that
girl and find a girl who is totally into you and you won't get phone
calls while you are on dates because you dumped the other girls
after dating them once.

That's the secret sauce. If they aren't the one then kick them to
the curb and keep searching.

« Last Edit: July 22, 2020, 10:18:53 AM by 2tallbill »
FSUW are not for entry level daters
FSUW don't do vague
FSUW like a man of action. Be a man of action 
If you find a promising girl, get your butt on a plane.
There are a hundred ways to be successful and a thousand ways to f#ck it up
Kiss the girl, don't ask her first.

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« Reply #214 on: July 22, 2020, 10:29:43 AM »
Warning I am quoting myself to make an additional point/comment

You ask yourself during every date
"Is this girl worthy to dump all the others to pursue her exclusively?"

The answer is either yes or no.
If yes then dump all others and pursue her exclusively
If no then dump her and go to next date

You say to yourself

But Beeeel, what if I think the girl has a ton of potential but
I don't know if she is worth dumping all the others.

My answer: You probably do know the answer. Sally is nice but
you want to see if Betty is a little better while still having a shot
at Sally.

If you can honestly say that Sally is not just nice, she is amazing.
She might be the one but can't know for sure, then what the
hell are you doing here? What is the purpose of this experiment? 
You need to clear the board and find out about Sally in a very
limited amount of time.

You need to pursue AMAZING, if Sally is AMAZING then you need
to find out if she is the ONE. The way to do that is to spend all the
face time with Sally that you can. If you are not willing to clear the
board for Sally then she isn't AMAZING and she isn't the one and
you need to keep on searching.
 
Udachi!

Bill
FSUW are not for entry level daters
FSUW don't do vague
FSUW like a man of action. Be a man of action 
If you find a promising girl, get your butt on a plane.
There are a hundred ways to be successful and a thousand ways to f#ck it up
Kiss the girl, don't ask her first.

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Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the secret sauce
« Reply #215 on: July 22, 2020, 11:39:30 AM »
In a discussion with another very experienced and married
member here he explained why he didn't like the Visiting
Many strategy.

He said something (paraphrased) like this: 
He tried it and it was a pain and it wasn't pleasurable juggling
speed dating, lying about other women and needing to turn his
phone off during dates to prevent calls from other ladies.


My reply was that he didn't know how to do it correctly. He was using
visit one tactics with a visit many strategy.

He called it speed dating, but if done correctly it was really
"speed dumping". You ask yourself during every date
"Is this girl worthy to dump all the others to pursue her exclusively?"

The answer is either yes or no.
If yes then dump all others and pursue her exclusively
If no then dump her and go to next date

What screws up visit many punters is they ask a girl on another date
when the answer to the question is no. They are having second dates
with more than one girl and that's why they have to lie and/or turn off
their phones.

Second screw up? Guys will ask a girl out a second time because she
is smokin' hot and she wasn't totally against the idea.

If the smokin' hot girl was totally into you and you had mutual
chemistry and she was honest, clever and interesting then you
clear the board of all others and pursue her only.

However, that isn't what happens. They date a smokin' hot woman
and she sorta likes them while they keep dating others and then
they are in the described situation of juggling.

You don't want a woman who is sorta interested. You dump that
girl and find a girl who is totally into you and you won't get phone
calls while you are on dates because you dumped the other girls
after dating them once.

That's the secret sauce. If they aren't the one then kick them to
the curb and keep searching.

Dear Beel, rather busy, but you can be sure of a 'roasting re your paraphrasing )

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« Reply #216 on: July 22, 2020, 01:23:50 PM »
...make an additional point/comment <snip>

Yeah...Bill, must you really?

Why belabor this? Do people really have a difficult time understanding the meanings of the words 'meet', 'date, 'meeting' and 'dating'...and how different they really are from each?

" I am 'meeting' Sarah, Betty and Mary "
" I am 'dating' Sarah, Betty and Mary  "
" I'd like to 'meet' Sarah, Betty and Mary  "
" I'd like to 'date' Sarah, Betty and Mary  "

Bottom line is, in all of the above, do what's right and naturally comfortable to you.
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« Reply #217 on: July 22, 2020, 01:58:47 PM »
Yeah...Bill, must you really?

Why belabor this? Do people really have a difficult time understanding the meanings of the words 'meet', 'date, 'meeting' and 'dating'...and how different they really are from each?

" I am 'meeting' Sarah, Betty and Mary "
" I am 'dating' Sarah, Betty and Mary  "
" I'd like to 'meet' Sarah, Betty and Mary  "
" I'd like to 'date' Sarah, Betty and Mary  "

Bottom line is, in all of the above, do what's right and naturally comfortable to you.

You didn't get my point at all. It wasn't about semantics it was
about using the wrong tactics. I don't even know what you are
talking about.

If you play basketball you guard a man differently if you are playing
a zone defense vs a man to man.

If you are visiting MANY in my view you should NOT have extensive correspondence before your trip. If you are visiting ONE then you
do have extensive correspondence before your trip.

I can explain more if need be, I've reread my post and I have
no idea as to how you totally misunderstood my point(s)
FSUW are not for entry level daters
FSUW don't do vague
FSUW like a man of action. Be a man of action 
If you find a promising girl, get your butt on a plane.
There are a hundred ways to be successful and a thousand ways to f#ck it up
Kiss the girl, don't ask her first.

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« Reply #218 on: July 22, 2020, 02:21:34 PM »
Bill-

This silly VO/VM subject had been beaten to the ground so much that by now we should all be convinced enough that the only 'right' way to do this rest solely on the individual's personality. One is not 'better' than the other.

Like you said, VM, goes out for the sheer purpose of 'meeting' literally a stranger to find out if there's mutual interest to continue the pursuit after 'meeting'. If none, then no harm - no foul. There's no lying, no 'speed dating (whatever that means in this program), no tedious correspondence prior, etc...you are ONLY set to *meet* each other. To me, that isn't a *date* / *dating*. Unless the 'interest' is mutual (and you would know that upon meeting), *dating* never kicks in.

VO, I won't even attempt to explain the merits of it because to me I have never *dated* anyone I never *met*. The construct of that sentence already sounds silly as it is. But people swear by it, then more power to those folks.

BTW. in B-ball, there's more than just the two 'D' variation as you stated...there's triangleD, Box-n-1, 1-3-1, 4-corners, elbow slide, trap, full court press, etc..so not quite 'like' basketball...
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« Reply #219 on: July 23, 2020, 12:14:03 AM »
As promised my response to Beel..

As you posted your opinion on the 'benefits' of VM ( aka 'speed rejection')  in tow places, this is the same response to both:


Good morning, Beel

Time to deal with your daft excuses


VM may be for those who 'claim' :

1/ to have limited time
2/ they live further away

and other such lame excuses... the truth is ( esp. with easier comms tools ) that one can be pretty certain of who you want to meet BEFORE you get on the plane .. there's no excuse for speed dating or 'speed rejection' ( your telling words )

VM is for clueless newbies, not experienced chaps..  The newbies have an 'excuse' .. they are learning the ropes...cultural differences, expectations on how a guy behaves on a date.


Some of us ' target' the LADY, not a city, having done due diligence.

Another 'excuse' offered up by you is that you met your wife after your 'primary target' and you didn't work out ...   There's nought wrong in admitting you "came to see another and it didn't work out, and I'm here ... "  ...it worked for you.

It is complete bollox to suggest, " you don't know how to do a VM"  ....  I knew, 'thanks'.. I ( personally) found it stressful and too many conflicting emotions v balancing time and more than one lady.

Men tend to think with their little brain ( I am no exemption ) and having two or more ladies hold your hand, take you to the same place you were hours earlier and may be wanting to indulge in various degrees of seriousness 'in games for two' does my head in .. 

To me, the words, " we are adults"  are SCARY ;)  I prefer to feel I KNOW this person well enough, emotionally.. Having the 'best sex ever', isn't going to help to average guy to decide on a lady he wants to share his life with..   VM is an unnatural decision making process.

Example: Lady A kissed so divinely, B had the best arse you'd ever seen, C looked gorgeous but seemed sexulally reserved ...  Do I need to be making decisions to 'eliminate' ladies who all want to meet, but will think you're a shyte for' juggling' dates ... no 'thanks' ..  How many times have you met a lady with whom you REALLY thought you'd click, she seemed sexually reserved, until she felt you were serious and you might reject on a VM ..?

Doing a VM means you will 'fib' and probably lose the very best lady - who'll know you're doing a VM - even if you don't make it clear.. and decide NOT to meet at all, because you're a 'player' ... 


Did you ever think you had to take so many trips, because your due diligence, before hand, sucked ? .. Or may be you can be honest and simply say, I enjoyed the selection process! ;)

To me guys doing VM trips get what they deserve and spoil it for those coming after .

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Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
« Reply #220 on: July 23, 2020, 12:55:40 PM »

VM ( aka 'speed rejection')  in tow places
I ( personally) found it stressful and too many conflicting
emotions v balancing time and more than one lady.

To me, the words, " we are adults"  are SCARY ;) 

VM is an unnatural decision making process.

Doing a VM means you will 'fib'

Thankfully everyone doesn't have the same personality.
Things that are stressful, scary and unnatural for you
aren't scary, stressful and unnatural for others.

If doing VM makes you tell lies then don't do it.

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FSUW are not for entry level daters
FSUW don't do vague
FSUW like a man of action. Be a man of action 
If you find a promising girl, get your butt on a plane.
There are a hundred ways to be successful and a thousand ways to f#ck it up
Kiss the girl, don't ask her first.

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Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
« Reply #221 on: July 23, 2020, 10:09:30 PM »
More 'excuses' ..

Thankfully everyone doesn't have the same personality.
Things that are stressful, scary and unnatural for you
aren't scary, stressful and unnatural for others.

If doing VM makes you tell lies then don't do it.

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Beel,

You are trying yourself up in knots here... 

First you claim VM is better while you are speed rejecting face to face...  that's inefficient use of time on the ground.. much of that can be done in th 21C via video chat. Apart from how someone smells or halitosis what can't be 'rejected' before coming all that way poorly prepared ?

Being untruthful:

You are being disingenuous if you deny being asked if you are seeing other ladies.  If you answer YES, there is a chance you'll be 'speed rejected' .. It's a question you'll get asked...

V told me she's declined to meet loads of guys because they were on what SHE called a speed dating trip ....guys inviting her to Moscow ..a five hour plane ride away ... and wondering why they were 'rejected' - even if all expenses were offered to be paid in advance ... SUCH crass stupidity ..


VM ( esp, with all the extra aids guys have, now) is simply inefficient..



 

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« Reply #222 on: July 23, 2020, 11:43:45 PM »
More 'excuses' ..

Beel,

You are trying yourself up in knots here... 

Not me, I totally know what I did and didn't do. Remember that I
had zero contact with anyone before arriving in Voronezh for example
because I went visit one.

It didn't work out so I asked girls to go out with me. I didn't have to
make anything up. Everything happened exactly as I said it happened
in St Pete, in Kiev, in Tblisi, in Voronezh and I recorded my success and
failure(s) here on this site.

I went to Kiev because I already bought the tickets (to Kiev) to visit the
Odessa girl and that fell apart so I went to Kiev and started arranging
things on the fly.

I've done both VM and VO and I recommend that people do what they
are most comfortable with. I also highly recommend VO as a backup plan.
You don't like VM, aren't comfortable doing it so don't advocate doing it.
Telling people they are doing it wrong when so many people have done
it successfully and written about it extensively here is silly.



Being untruthful:

V told me she's declined to meet loads of guys because they were on what SHE called a speed dating trip ....guys inviting her to Moscow ..a five hour plane ride away ... and wondering why they were 'rejected' - even if all expenses were offered to be paid in advance ... SUCH crass stupidity ..

VM ( esp, with all the extra aids guys have, now) is simply inefficient..

I wouldn't advocate inviting girls from far away to visit in a different location
exactly for the reason you've mentioned. How could somebody on a days
notice be expected to drop anything and jump on a plane? It would be totally
unreasonable. Of course they were rejected.

VM ( esp, with all the extra aids guys have, now) is simply inefficient..

VM, is just meeting for tea to see if something clicks or not. If everything
clicks you pursue the girl. Pretty simple, it's not very complicated.

It's personal preference, men have been successful using both methods
my advice is to do what works best for each individual, their personality
and what they feel comfortable doing.

Your absolutist opinion flies in the face of mountains of evidence to the
contrary, real life examples posted on this very forum.
« Last Edit: July 23, 2020, 11:48:18 PM by 2tallbill »
FSUW are not for entry level daters
FSUW don't do vague
FSUW like a man of action. Be a man of action 
If you find a promising girl, get your butt on a plane.
There are a hundred ways to be successful and a thousand ways to f#ck it up
Kiss the girl, don't ask her first.

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Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
« Reply #223 on: July 23, 2020, 11:54:16 PM »
Yet more obfuscation, Beel ?

I'm not blind to the fact that some guys lined up loads of dates and managed to marry one of the ladies ... But that REALLY is taking 'winging it' to the extreme' ..

You are in denial that newbies can eliminate much of the 'speed rejection' you 'advocate' via video chat ..

Turning up, hoping you'll make a connection with a selection of ladies based on a foreign city you've chosen v choosing the lady ?....  'Yup'. that makes a lot of 'sense' ...


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Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
« Reply #224 on: July 24, 2020, 02:40:23 AM »
I met tons of women in FSU
 
I did basically 3 VO.One in Sweden didn't work and I was trapped there for three days.
An other one was a scammer from Kharkov that switched off many red flag from the taxi half hour after the airport. So I also lost few days because it was the end of the week and you need 48 hours in this cas to restart a pool (now I perform better with Tinder or Badoo because I can do this on spot). Thank God I was in Kharkov so finally it was not too difficult to restart some datings but I stopped VO therefore and never
A third worked but the relationship showed me that this woman had a serious problem with the booze. 
 
In the first part of my life I met those ladies through serious sites and coming from agencies.
None asked me if I was meeting some other women.
They often don't need this, it's just when they start to know that they are attracted to you that the matter concerns. And they are enough smart to find out without asking you using a variety  of tricks (the best being the rendez vous of the last moment). :P But you can somehow also use yours ( 8) ) that's named the game (not the pua one but the game of the life  :D ), all depends how good you are in social dynamics.
 
 
For those who are not confortable to meet several girls and "lying" (which is a just a belief inherited from your culture when it comes about meeting women, and nothing that belong to a personal quality, for this purpose) my best advice is to find a serious agency or coach and the problem is solved, for you and for the lady and everybody is getting comfortable.
Any newbie in such situation is comfortable because a pro is involved (yes you pay but you have some advantage).
 
About asking the girl to meet you, yes and no.
Generally speaking I would avoid it. If she is legitimately registered in an agency you trust, you can plan this but you should'nt make this expensive. By train, bus or for short distance a taxi. It should'nt be too expansive, maybe 30$. Simply because in her head, if you pay a plane it pushes the stake too high. 
I, myself, generally avoided it. It happened maybe two or three times with mixed results.Except if a very trustable agency is involved, in the conditions I defined, as a newbie I would avoid it definitively.
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