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Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
« Reply #175 on: November 10, 2018, 04:39:44 PM »
"What do you mean the same pick up lines still work??? You mean you took them for coffee, then dinner and back to your apt?? What did Mrs Krimster have to say?"

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« Reply #176 on: November 10, 2018, 04:44:16 PM »
Instead of guys with yesteryear exposure getting cut when it is pointed out --
they should learn from it an adapt a principle of "their" time on the ground .

I have you on ignore but I can see your post, I am commenting against
my better judgement. There was a section in this forum called OMB for
"Old married bastards"

If the OMB stopped posting the forum would die and nobody could read
your posts (or ignore them). How would a guy who pursued FSUW 10 years
ago, know what parts of his advice are out of date or not? He wouldn't.
You won't know what parts of your advice which becomes stale by the
hour are outdated either will you?

Supposedly you are in a LTR, I don't know the details because you and
I don't exchange Christmas cards anymore.

The newbies should read everybody's advice and decide for themselves what
works best for them, their goals, their personality and their situation.

The only purpose of the tenor of your post is to make yourself feel better
and more special than others. It's always been boy meets girl since the
horse and buggy days, analog worked back in the day and it works now.

If somebody has something that they think is relevant or better let them
post it and let those who are still in the game decide it's value, not guys
who are only slightly less stale than others.



« Last Edit: November 10, 2018, 04:52:44 PM by 2tallbill »
FSUW are not for entry level daters
FSUW don't do vague
FSUW like a man of action. Be a man of action 
If you find a promising girl, get your butt on a plane.
There are a hundred ways to be successful and a thousand ways to f#ck it up
Kiss the girl, don't ask her first.

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Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
« Reply #177 on: November 10, 2018, 04:54:41 PM »
As far as online sites go, I'd put dmnotify at the top. There is a steady flow of new women and they aren't afraid to make first contact, especially in the 35-45 year range. I've received 52 messages to date and only found two to be scammers (although I didn't reply to all)

The site is very proactive regarding non - genuine women and often suspend accounts while they are under review. Site support is great and so is the forum.

It costs 40 pounds a month which is quite modest and really you only need a month to meet a lot of genuine / interested women. I've been spending one month on and then one month off the site.

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« Reply #178 on: November 10, 2018, 05:01:57 PM »
Can I suggest that mamba.ru is removed ?

You can make all the suggestions you want based on what others
have told you. Hopefully, they leave everything up and let people
still in the game sort things out for themselves.

This forum is not a step by step guide, it's a learn how to do things
yourself resource. Turbo and others used snail mail back in the olden
days. Doesn't mean he can't post or explain how he did something
or that he should have a disclaimer under every post.

If somebody gets onto an old site and can't figure it out then they
have no business pursuing FSUW. Most people have updated their
profiles when they got married and Newbies can look at that and
decide what level of weight to give each post.

FSUW are not for entry level daters
FSUW don't do vague
FSUW like a man of action. Be a man of action 
If you find a promising girl, get your butt on a plane.
There are a hundred ways to be successful and a thousand ways to f#ck it up
Kiss the girl, don't ask her first.

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Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
« Reply #179 on: November 10, 2018, 06:24:47 PM »
I have you on ignore but I can see your post, I am commenting against
my better judgement. There was a section in this forum called OMB for
"Old married bastards"

If the OMB stopped posting the forum would die and nobody could read
your posts (or ignore them). How would a guy who pursued FSUW 10 years
ago, know what parts of his advice are out of date or not? He wouldn't.
You won't know what parts of your advice which becomes stale by the
hour are outdated either will you?

.

The newbies should read everybody's advice and decide for themselves what
works best for them, their goals, their personality and their situation.



Amazing what you read on ignore !

Given that you know full well that you are a major offender in the "past use by" date of info.
Despite numerous people pointing out that to you the blundering on continues .

Funnily enough -earlier today you made a generalise post of common sense without harking back to outdated info. Some things do not change that much -- which I pointed out in the post you have commented on -- HOWEVER -- there has been considerable change that has been quite rapid in the practical and logistics of the whole exercise .
As an example -- how long ago were you actually in Dnipro ? Note-it even has a new name for those that have respect for Ukraine -- and you were there when? 10 years ago?How many days were you actually there? It is relevant because there has been a lot of change --in particular changes that can make a big difference for a guy visiting .
That has been pointed out to you repeatedly --yet -- you ignore that and hark back to outdated info. That is a very clear example .

It is one thing having a different opinion-- but another thing altogether when handing out factually incorrect information.

FWIW -I mentioned the Donholio TR earlier-- it is an example of how so much has changed -- and is easier now -- but-- on the human interaction it is as relevant as when it was written and is both interesting and entertaining.
SLAVA UKRAYINI  ! HEROYAM SLAVA!!!!
Слава Украине! Слава героям слава!Слава Україні! Слава героям!
 translated as: Glory to Ukraine! Glory to the heroes!!!  is a Ukrainian greeting slogan being used now all over Ukraine to signify support for a free independent Ukraine

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Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
« Reply #180 on: November 10, 2018, 08:50:45 PM »

This forum is not a step by step guide, it's a learn how to do things
yourself resource. Turbo and others used snail mail back in the olden
days. Doesn't mean he can't post or explain how he did something
or that he should have a disclaimer under every post. 
Break the process into 2 parts:
a) introductory phase, arranging a meetup
    snail mail, email, skype, etc.
    yes, this changes much.
    but bottom line,  if you're the right person, almost anything will work,
          and if you're the wrong person, almost nothing will work.
b) meeting phase, 1st date, etc.
     this part never changes much.
     yes, sometimes more competition, sometimes less.
Some guys may master part a, then not so good at part b....
Others are not the planning/strategy type, but may be very good at part b.
Succeed with the wrong ladies, fail with the right ladies.
Successive approximation eventually finds the light at the end of the tunnel.
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Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
« Reply #181 on: November 10, 2018, 09:06:12 PM »
Now -here is Silly Billy at it again- his response is to attempt to claim so higher knowledge based on his "success" as he wants us to believe. Silly is an example of a guy who persists in rationalising what amounts to BS-even when it was current-- which was a long time ago.
Only a fool would take his "advice"


You've been here over 6 years and had zero success and you want people to take your advice? "Silly Billy" is what I used to hear in elementary school. Women prefer men, not kids.


For one thing 'successful' can have many meanings and interpreted many ways. It is an individual assessment. To me, a 'successful' marriage lasts 40-50 years until one passes. To others it is a 'good' 5- 10 years. I catch women all the time, big deal. I don't settle like some, it takes time to find someone you feel is right. Sometimes you never find that person, sometimes you do and it ends up a LTR only. To me marriage is a BIG thing, not taken lightly.


I cringe when I hear the word 'success' here. When dealing with relationships, emotions, feelings, thoughts... what is success or failure? How is it measured? It either works out or not. In relationships, two people decide what will be.

It doesn't matter if you're single, in a relationship, or married, if you're beating your competition and are happy, you're successful.

It takes time to find someone right you say? You've been on this forum 9 years. How much more time do you need? While some of the single guys here are bragging they have a 50% success rate with women responding to them on dating sites and apps, other men are dating 50 women in real life right now. You guys get upset when someone else recommends a site different than what you'd recommend. Those sites and apps are simply a tool to introduce yourself. It doesn't matter if we recommend the BEST tool, if a guy is a loser, no woman is going to claim him.

The real difference between the winners and losers come during the dating phase. It seems like I, ML, and Krimster got plenty of dates before we got married. The single guys who are upset about "old dating sites" seem to have one thing in common, you rarely or never talk about any real life meetings with women. You should be able to catch the women anywhere, whether she's on a new or old site. As long as the site doesn't have agency employees writing the letters, you are writing to a real woman and it's up to you to win her over. If you find your competition is getting all the action, you have only yourself to blame. I don't care if Mamba.ru is 1 yo or 101 yo, it has the most women on it and there's no reason not to catch one. And just because a woman responded to your message doesn't mean you caught her or worth bragging your response rate is great and the site or app is worth recommending because a few women talked to you.
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« Reply #182 on: November 10, 2018, 10:38:46 PM »
defining success is simple!
“the accomplishment of an aim or purpose”

Ukraine to me was once upon a time, a land of fairy tales “maya babooshka” told me about
with stories of the hungry wolf vrs the farmer’s clever son

when I discovered Ukraine for myself
I discovered that it WAS I WHO WAS THE HUNGRY WOLF


girlfriend #2 in Ukraine - a 19 yr old Education major at Taras Shevchenko National University of Kyiv
she was the epitome of the perfect female physical form, incredible almost superhuman beauty
totally unspoiled, didn't wear any makeup, wore simple clothes, walked EVERYWHERE

seriously, there is NO WAY a 40 yr old guy could tap this in the USA, no way....
and by Ukrainian standards, she's basically average...

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Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
« Reply #183 on: November 11, 2018, 02:18:15 AM »
.

More and more girls are on Facebook and Instagram. I don't bother with vk anymore.

Girls being the appropriate adjective ?

It seems there may be a generation gap re use of dating sites / apps ? ;)

Anyway,

mamba.ru is now ranked 81st in Russia and 955th in the world

http://www.similarweb.com/website/mamba.ru#overview

I did not find this source - but seems to demonstrate some of us ( myself included ? )  are out of touch re the dating scene :)

Mamba.ua is 346th  in Ukraine - same source.





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« Reply #184 on: November 11, 2018, 02:25:56 AM »


Supposedly you are in a LTR,

Nah!  I suspect he is an expert on dating sites, again, Beel
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Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
« Reply #185 on: November 11, 2018, 07:29:19 AM »
As usual, I agree with ML and his rational logic,,,,
when it comes to dating in the FSU..

and also with the following statements below:

GQ:
Dating FSUWs is no different than dating western women.
If anything, considering favourable MOB advantages afforded WM, it is (or should be) much, much easier.
Some had even pegged this pursuit *fishing in a barrel* before.
If some of you are having a tough time at this juncture, dare I say the real challenge then is being true to yourself. 

(I think the correct wording is “shooting fish in a barrel”)

Billy:
Those sites and apps are simply a tool to introduce yourself.
It doesn't matter if we recommend the BEST tool, if a guy is a loser, no woman is going to claim him.

John Dear Green:
if you're the right person, almost anything will work,
and if you're the wrong person, almost nothing will work.

Krimster:
the more things change
THE MORE THEY REMAIN THE SAME

I have done this twice,,,
Marrying with a beautiful Ukraine woman more than 20 years younger….
First time 20 years ago, second time 5 years ago,,
Everything worked the same way, only so much easier 5 years ago.

Read my story here:
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=15509.0

And today, it looks to be even easier.

In my search for some business opportunities, early this year, I met with a small business owner.
When I called him first time, he told me that he was busy, as he was on his way to Kiev.
I asked what for, and he said women,,,,,,, thats how it started.
These days we are doing some business together, and he has become almost like a friend to me.
He is my age, went through a costly divorce 10 years ago, after a 25 year marriage.
Very good condition, a true fitness fanatic that is swimming, bicycling or running every afternoon.
Even though he had a couple of years dating experience in Moscow and Kiev,
he was very interested in my advice for how to find the “right one”

At the moment, he has 2/3 women that he is dating regularly, meeting with each of them, one or two times a month.
Going to Kiev or inviting one here for the weekend, and sometimes going on a week vacation together.
He sent me photos in the morning today, from Thailand, where he is spending a week together with one of them.
A beautiful Ukraine dentist, 20+ years younger than him.

He is afraid of marrying again and worried about choosing a future failure.
I told him to meet more women “for coffee” and then choose,,,
instead of getting emotionally connected with one lady before meeting.

Getting tired of writing, he is now paying a private female matchmaker in Kiev for finding  women.
Slim, beautiful, good english, educated, no children (at home), 20+ younger.
Every month now, he goes for a weekend  in Kiev, to meet with 3-4 new prospects.

Jan

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« Reply #186 on: November 11, 2018, 09:41:19 AM »
Break the process into 2 parts:
a) introductory phase, arranging a meetup
    snail mail, email, skype, etc.
    yes, this changes much.
    but bottom line,  if you're the right person, almost anything will work,
          and if you're the wrong person, almost nothing will work.


The important part of process one that is that it's usually a numbers game. You contact
many girls with a wide net using whatever technology interface best leverages your
effectiveness then you sift it down to find your gold nugget in all that sand.

Your bottom line is essentially true barring luck. I've seen luck work when a
guy had a .0000000001% chance.

b) meeting phase, 1st date, etc.
     this part never changes much.
     yes, sometimes more competition, sometimes less.
Some guys may master part a, then not so good at part b....
Others are not the planning/strategy type, but may be very good at part b.
Succeed with the wrong ladies, fail with the right ladies.
Successive approximation eventually finds the light at the end of the tunnel.

This is the analog part, the boy meets girl part. This has been going on since
the day men stopped dragging a girl by the hair back to their caves. Once the
girl walked to the cave on her own steam and her own volition this part follows
a romantic path.

HOWEVER, this is the part where a mistake(s) can lead to the biggest disaster.
There have been guys who married girls they barely knew. There have been
guys who married a girl with a child and NEVER had a conversation about
raising that child or discipline of that child.

b) meeting phase, 1st date, etc.
     this part never changes much.
     yes, sometimes more competition, sometimes less.

When a guy goes on the first date, either they have chemistry or they don't.
If they don't some guys (we will call them Joe's) move on. Joe's will meet other
girls and give themselves a chance to finding the right girl while they are in
country with boots on the ground.

The guys who don't move on (Delbert's)will cling to any possibility that things
might work out. They will misinterpret and sign of the girl being nice to him as
a sign of her changing her mind towards him. Delbert has watched every Hollywood
movie of the guy outside the girls bedroom window playing a song on his boom box.

Even if you find a girl and things are great, you have a ton of work still to do.
These overseas relationships are fragile and can fall apart. These relationships
are like gardens, they need tending. You gotta get back on a plane and see that
girl again and again or risk that things fall apart.

It has happened to me, it has happened to others.
 
FSUW are not for entry level daters
FSUW don't do vague
FSUW like a man of action. Be a man of action 
If you find a promising girl, get your butt on a plane.
There are a hundred ways to be successful and a thousand ways to f#ck it up
Kiss the girl, don't ask her first.

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« Reply #187 on: November 11, 2018, 10:00:48 AM »
Those sites and apps are simply a tool to introduce yourself.
It doesn't matter if we recommend the BEST tool,
if a guy is a loser, no woman is going to claim him.

If you added good girl then it would be accurate.

"If a guy is a loser, no good woman is going to claim him.

If a loser get's claimed it will be by a girl with questionable goals and motives.
The mule drivers pick losers, the green card girls pick out the most gullible losers.

There are girls on this Earth who will harvest your organs for a nice set of boots
or would happily ruin your life for any small benefit to herself but most of us spot
that girl coming and step aside letting her pass by without a glance back, but the
losers out there will see that girl coming and can't help but getting sucked into
their vortex.

FSUW are not for entry level daters
FSUW don't do vague
FSUW like a man of action. Be a man of action 
If you find a promising girl, get your butt on a plane.
There are a hundred ways to be successful and a thousand ways to f#ck it up
Kiss the girl, don't ask her first.

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Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
« Reply #188 on: November 11, 2018, 10:06:31 AM »
danke for your post Jan!

refreshing to read of success, instead of all the failures that get posted here
I can tell by your attitudes that you and your friend will continue to do well with UW
I would doubt that there would be anything I could teach either of you
that you don't already know, based on your own experience

I still have a business connection in Kyiv as well
a long time ago I developed some properties in Crimea
but I HATE this business and will never do it again!!!


it's sad that guys who are miserable in their home country dating scene
don't know the kind of results that they can get in Ukraine
you DON'T HAVE TO BE A RICH SUPER STUD to succeed in Ukraine
just be at least "average" across most categories
that's all it takes, seriously

until I read of all the guys posting here who failed in Ukraine
I would have thought that it would have been impossible to fail in Ukraine!
amazing to me that there have been those who have figured out how to do it
I just don't understand why
when you consider the nature of the reward for success

please tell me something that's better than making love to a beautiful Ukrainian woman
I mean other than fishing of course...
and you guys passed it by....






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« Reply #189 on: November 23, 2018, 03:33:28 PM »
I posted this elsewhere but thought that I would post it here too so that it won't get lost.

This is about gifts for a first trip, the person was from Chicago so I slightly personalized
the advice to that area. Obviously you don't buy her a Chicago Bears tee shirt if you are
a Seahawks fan in Seattle. You can find something locally grown and canned or bottled.


If you haven't met her in person, my advice would be to buy her

1. Table top style picture books of the area surrounding where you live: You can find them at
Barnes and Noble or Amazon. These books show her some of the interesting things near where
you live. Go through the book so that you can have a little story or anecdote about each page.
Doing this highly personalizes the gift and gets her thinking of life with you, where you live.


2. Chocolate: She likes either dark or light so find out which and bring some high quality truffles
with you.   http://www.yelp.com/search?cflt=chocolate&find_loc=Chicago%2C+IL


3. Some Real Maple syrup: It's still fairly uncommon in Russia, tell her it's for blini. Ask her to
make some for you. They have Marshmallows in the FSU, but they are rare. So bring some Swiss
Miss cocoa and drop a couple marshmallows in the cup to melt on top. It's just a little something
different from home and it's always easy to find an excuse to drink hot cocoa.


4. Something local: a Black Hawks Tee or one of the local sports team (remember she is smaller than
American girls), probably a Small or extra small. Pear Tree preserves make local jams in Chicago. Maybe
some strawberry rhubarb (I made it this year)
http://voyagechicago.com/interview/meet-susie-kirkwood-pear-tree-preserves-humboldt-park-chicago/


5. Something handmade: If you can make something better than a paperclip necklace or a pirate hat
from a newspaper. Although those are GREAT Gifts to be made on the spot for nieces and nephews.
Hand made gifts are the best.


These are excellent things to give an FSUW, they are personal, unique to you and the area you
live and don't cost much so they are easy for her to accept (and to cherish).


Udachi!

Bill
FSUW are not for entry level daters
FSUW don't do vague
FSUW like a man of action. Be a man of action 
If you find a promising girl, get your butt on a plane.
There are a hundred ways to be successful and a thousand ways to f#ck it up
Kiss the girl, don't ask her first.

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Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
« Reply #190 on: November 23, 2018, 03:46:40 PM »
I posted this elsewhere but thought that I would post it here too so that it won't get lost.

This is about gifts for a first trip, the person was from Chicago so I slightly personalized
the advice to that area. Obviously you don't buy her a Chicago Bears tee shirt if you are
a Seahawks fan in Seattle. You can find something locally grown and canned or bottled.


If you haven't met her in person, my advice would be to buy her

1. Table top style picture books of the area surrounding where you live: You can find them at
Barnes and Noble or Amazon. These books show her some of the interesting things near where
you live. Go through the book so that you can have a little story or anecdote about each page.
Doing this highly personalizes the gift and gets her thinking of life with you, where you live.


2. Chocolate: She likes either dark or light so find out which and bring some high quality truffles
with you.   http://www.yelp.com/search?cflt=chocolate&find_loc=Chicago%2C+IL


3. Some Real Maple syrup: It's still fairly uncommon in Russia, tell her it's for blini. Ask her to
make some for you. They have Marshmallows in the FSU, but they are rare. So bring some Swiss
Miss cocoa and drop a couple marshmallows in the cup to melt on top. It's just a little something
different from home and it's always easy to find an excuse to drink hot cocoa.


4. Something local: a Black Hawks Tee or one of the local sports team (remember she is smaller than
American girls), probably a Small or extra small. Pear Tree preserves make local jams in Chicago. Maybe
some strawberry rhubarb (I made it this year)
http://voyagechicago.com/interview/meet-susie-kirkwood-pear-tree-preserves-humboldt-park-chicago/


5. Something handmade: If you can make something better than a paperclip necklace or a pirate hat
from a newspaper. Although those are GREAT Gifts to be made on the spot for nieces and nephews.
Hand made gifts are the best.


These are excellent things to give an FSUW, they are personal, unique to you and the area you
live and don't cost much so they are easy for her to accept (and to cherish).


Udachi!

Bill

Great, common sense ideas. When I was dating my now wife and living in London I bought her things from London. Souvenir books, mugs, shirts, etc. Maps that we'd use to plot trips we'd take around the city when she came to visit. I also took photos of some of her favorite places in London. She had been in London about 5 years earlier so knew something about the city.

When I was transferred back to NYC I bought her souvenirs from NYC. She knew nothing about American football or baseball but because she had played basketball I bought her tshirts, caps, etc from the local NYC teams. Again photos of local landmarks and even photos of my home and job. By this time we were in a committed relationship. I wouldn't advise taking photos of your home, car, job etc for a first time trip.

One thing I would recommend checking is if you're taking food overseas make sure it will be allowed into the country. Don't know about the rules for food entering the FSU but I know the US has very strict rules about what types of food is allowed into the US.

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Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures
« Reply #191 on: August 26, 2019, 06:36:47 AM »
Six common mistakes in the search phase

1. Large age differential search parameters. 
What is your age and what are the ages of these women? These
are the type of results one would expect when pushing the age
difference too far.

An example: A 50 year old writes one hundred 25 year old hotties.
95 of the hotties reject him or never reply. The 95 rejections were
from the good girls and the 5 who answer his emails have dubious
motives and/or character.

2. The same can be found with huge differences in looks. 5 foot tall fat
man with 5 teeth contacts only 6 foot tall runway models so very few
respond, those that do have questionable motives.

3. Failure to reject. A guy keeps communicating a girl who has displayed a
few caution flags or doesn't seem to have the same interest intensity. Usually
the girl is hot. You want a girl who is at least as interested in you as you are
in her AND you want a girl who doesn't have any yellow flags or character
concerns.

4. Failure to clear the board. You initiated contact with 25 girls and the ones
who responded positively have all seemed nice, but none of them stand out.
You want a standout. You want a number one girl. You are spinning your
wheels wasting your time and their time, you need to clear the board
and start over.

5. Failure to dump everyone else when you have a clear winner. Once you've
determined that Sally is the best girl then you kick Betty, Brenda and Bernette
to the curb. Otherwise Sally doesn't think you have the same interest intensity
and you get the boot. Women can sense things. They need to sense that you
are really into them.

6. Repeating the same mistakes/failure to review. I started over too many
times to count, but I would review what I did and how I did it. What could
I have done better each step of the way. I didn't want to make the same
mistake again.

FSUW are not for entry level daters
FSUW don't do vague
FSUW like a man of action. Be a man of action 
If you find a promising girl, get your butt on a plane.
There are a hundred ways to be successful and a thousand ways to f#ck it up
Kiss the girl, don't ask her first.

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Pursuing FSUW 101: Due Diligence
« Reply #192 on: November 22, 2019, 02:40:44 PM »
You meet a girl and generally have a few questions and she will
generally ask a few of you and you start having a conversation.
At first you are trying to find out if this girl needs to be rejected
or not. Second you are trying to find out if this girl is interesting
or not. Third you are trying to find out if this girl and you are a
match.

Guys have said "I don't know what to say" and I've posted suggestions
and/or a list of things to go over in different places here on the forum.
Now I thought I would explain in more detail.

My advice is to make a list of subjects and organize it
into an outline that you need to go over first before you
marry a woman.

If you spend a few hours at this, you will be surprised at how
fast your outline grows and how many subjects that you need
to talk about before you get on a plane, before you get engaged,
before you get married.

99% of Good girls will want to have these conversations. These
are true insights about how things might work out between you.
If a girl doesn't want to have these conversations, dump her
because she's not a good girl.

I also recommend putting the list in some sort of order. When you
get to item number 7 or item X that's when you are ready to get on
a plane. When you finish the list that's when you ask the girl to
marry you or dump her because you aren't a good match.

Example of something that I spent less than 3 minutes writing.

I. Expectations and roles in a family
   A. What tasks are expected of the husband
     1.
     2.
     3.
   B. What tasks are expected of the wife
   C. What tasks are expected of the children
   D. What tasks Exwife, Mother in law, creepy uncle etc.

II. Conflict Resolution
   A. What is off limits for you in an argument
     1. Gun fights,
     2. Calling my mother a  _____________
     3. Etc.
   B. What is off limits for me in an argument
   C. What to do when we disagree
   D. Something else.   

III. Sex stuff
   A. Frequency
   B. What's freaky good
   C. What's freaky bad
   D. Something else
   E. What happens in the unlikely event that Angelina Jolie wants
   to have sex with me (one time only).
   F. Blowjobs vs __________ list something else

IV. Kids
  A. Do we want to make any of our own
  B. What if we make one by accident
  C. Who disciplines your child/my child
  D. What happens if child acts out
  E. One million other things here.
  F. What if they get into a fight at school

V.  Exwife/ExHusband


VI. Inlaws/Outlaws

VII.  Education, learning English, Driving a car, insurance,

VIII. Pet Peeves, hobbies, how much sports is too much. 

IX.  Jobs and work.

X.   Goals

XI.  Retirement

XII. This list can go on and on and on and it should
this is your due diligence phase.

Make a list prioritize it, make it into an outline, adding content,
add to it as things come to you. Then pick a subject and you
are off to the races. Do no more than one subject at a time,
don't send the entire outline to a girl.

« Last Edit: November 22, 2019, 02:48:32 PM by 2tallbill »
FSUW are not for entry level daters
FSUW don't do vague
FSUW like a man of action. Be a man of action 
If you find a promising girl, get your butt on a plane.
There are a hundred ways to be successful and a thousand ways to f#ck it up
Kiss the girl, don't ask her first.

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Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
« Reply #193 on: November 22, 2019, 03:13:03 PM »
Bill,

I would run like hell if Angelina Jolie wanted to have sex with me.
Kissing girls is a goodness.  It beats the hell out of card games.  - Robert Heinlein

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Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
« Reply #194 on: November 22, 2019, 04:23:43 PM »
Big Bill, I have found that FSU gals don't like lists of anything.
They find them boring.
So never have a visible sheet of paper with these questions.
Winston Churchill.  “The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.”

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Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
« Reply #195 on: November 22, 2019, 04:54:19 PM »
Bill,

I would run like hell if Angelina Jolie wanted to have sex with me.

I picked a name to add some potential humor to the post.
I was going to ask which days can I spend with my
mistress but decided to go with a movie star instead.


Big Bill, I have found that FSU gals don't like lists of anything.
They find them boring.
So never have a visible sheet of paper with these questions.


I agree. I think making the list and organizing it has many uses as
well. It helps guys understand the immensity of what the end game
is.

List everything that annoyed you about your ex, list everything
that drives you nuts. Wouldn't it be cool if your new wife didn't
do most of those things?

There are some guys that marry women without discussing what
happens if the teenage stepson crashes your car, or if he refuses
to get out of bed before 3 pm. I know guys from the forums who
got divorced because they never spent the time asking their Fiancée
what happens if her son talks back to them.

The lesson is to organize your thoughts and your goals. Once you're
organized it's much easier to talk about. Don't assume that your
Fiancée will be cool with your exwife stopping by to drop off your
kids. You need to talk about this. It might be good to know if your
hot Russian wife will stab your exwife in the eye with a knitting
needle if she sets foot in your house.



« Last Edit: November 22, 2019, 05:38:39 PM by 2tallbill »
FSUW are not for entry level daters
FSUW don't do vague
FSUW like a man of action. Be a man of action 
If you find a promising girl, get your butt on a plane.
There are a hundred ways to be successful and a thousand ways to f#ck it up
Kiss the girl, don't ask her first.

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Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
« Reply #196 on: November 22, 2019, 05:04:28 PM »
I SWEAR by the 3-date rule...
TRY not to do sex until the third date...
BUT, if you haven’t done it by the 3rd date, then it ain’t gonna happen, so move on...

with personal assistants from Ukraine, I just kept constantly moving the intimacy dial
I would love to take innocent young Ukrainian girls to Istanbul to the women’s clothing stores....
when they had this wide eyed shocked look, then I knew they were mine...
and they were...

I can’t begin to express the level of erotic perfection that these young women possessed...
just stunning.....

and they had a different mentality when they went to Istanbul
everything just clicked in their minds, I didn’t need to apply ANY coercion....
they KNEW what to do....
they wanted to please “their boss”
and so they did...

the first time you pay your Ukrainian assistant in cash...
they get a look I call “the money rush”
combine this with a clothing allowance and you take her shopping and try out in the fitting room...

no smart Ukrainian girl will say no, if you pay them enough...
just negotiate...

it is one of the sweetest relationships you can have
without all the "complications" of marriage
just a mistress curled up naked in your lap under a blanked while you read Keats to her in candle light...
but...
when it's time to go, you hand her an envelope with her severance package
and you head back home...

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Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
« Reply #197 on: November 22, 2019, 05:52:56 PM »
I SWEAR by the 3-date rule...
TRY not to do sex until the third date...
BUT, if you haven’t done it by the 3rd date, then it ain’t gonna happen, so move on...

with personal assistants from Ukraine, I just kept constantly moving the intimacy dial
I would love to take innocent young Ukrainian girls to Istanbul to the women’s clothing stores....
when they had this wide eyed shocked look, then I knew they were mine...
and they were...

I can’t begin to express the level of erotic perfection that these young women possessed...
just stunning.....

and they had a different mentality when they went to Istanbul
everything just clicked in their minds, I didn’t need to apply ANY coercion....
they KNEW what to do....
they wanted to please “their boss”
and so they did...

the first time you pay your Ukrainian assistant in cash...
they get a look I call “the money rush”
combine this with a clothing allowance and you take her shopping and try out in the fitting room...

no smart Ukrainian girl will say no, if you pay them enough...
just negotiate...

it is one of the sweetest relationships you can have
without all the "complications" of marriage
just a mistress curled up naked in your lap under a blanked while you read Keats to her in candle light...
but...
when it's time to go, you hand her an envelope with her severance package
and you head back home...
Considering the total price of the expedition, i would prefer use several pro in any ukrainian city, where i could also meet normal girls and create a clear line between buying a girl and my normal dating life.
Money has never been the major factor to date me in my life, in the worst case only a parameter i had to manage to achieve a normal life because my partner was economically not capable to follow, generally occasionnaly.

Read : "Operation white panther"
"Je glissais through the paper wall, an angel in the hand, s taboy. I lay on the floor, surgi des chants de Maldoror, je mix l'intégrale de mes nuits de crystal, i belong to the festival.

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Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
« Reply #198 on: November 22, 2019, 07:24:31 PM »
that’s a COMPLETELY different level of experience....
I’ve had experience with different types of Odessa escorts “back in the day”
I would never under any circumstance have unprotected sex with one
so it makes it a VERY different experience than a more intimate relationship with a young personal assistant...
for example, I have NEVER given oral sex to an escort
but I did with ALL my personal assistants...
and it was the first time for each of them...
oh my goodness!!!

I’ve always been able to hustle in both Ukraine and Russia...
in Ukraine, I could make a little bit of money in real estate
enough to allow me to hire a personal assistant who “fronted” for me for handling transactions
and for document filing, etc
if I paid her a much higher salary than normal, then she becomes a “secretary with benefits”
this goes on in EVERY big office in Ukraine....
it’s what’s NORMAL there...
I just knew how to capitalize on it and how to actually DO IT!!

even though my Russian hustles are much bigger
it's unfortunate for me, but this knowledge no longer matters....
because I have an agreement with my wife NOT to cheat in our relationship!
in exchange, my wife who is STRONGLY bi-sexual lets me sleep with her blond Russian girlfriend and we have 3-somes
and there’s no freakin way I’m gonna do something to mess this sweet deal up!
geezzz what an idiot I’d be!!!

PS,
it's not about the money itself...
it's about the EMOTION that surrounds the money...
you use that...

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Re: Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
« Reply #199 on: November 23, 2019, 08:09:20 AM »
Thank you for those precious informations, that are enlightening the topic.
I doubt that a lot of people are matching the same life circumstances.
I understand the pros and cons and the global benefit of your approach, technically speaking.

I have personaly never been impressed by money, and money is an unhealthy emotion for me when it comes about relationships, i appreciate the freedom it gives you and the level comfort associated with it however. 

I also know that can be a part of the attraction for a man, considering the nature of women. 

 But a strategy of conquest based on the solely power of money IMHO is only a distorted, an unreal life that has nothing to do with your personality, because money is to own and not to be. So you get emotions based on a faked contract, full of vacuity at the end.   


I have nothing against cynism, many philosophies can come along when you want to lead your life, i have no morale judgment but money being the prime reason of her move (lady opening her to you), is blewing up the whole human experience. Except a pure sex satisfaction, i don't see anything worth in it.
Read : "Operation white panther"
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