Do Average Guy stand a chance in MOB

[Eduard]

WOW . . . is this word really used in this context in Australia?

I didn't know that the process of interacting with women was supposed to produce nitroglycerin or trinitrotoluene, etc.

And here you thought that you were one of the best lovers this planet have produced  Hope you are learning!

[ML]

And here you thought that you were one of the best lovers this planet have produced  Hope you are learning!

I know this board is never the place to try to set the record straight . . . but I never claimed any great prowess as a lover.

What I do state . . . is that I am very, very interested in the sexual pleasures that my female partners achieve, and try my best to maximize these pleasures for them.

I think of great lovers as those men who can pick up any woman they want in any setting they want and have these women swoon over them.  That definitely doesn't describe me.  I have to work at it very hard.

[Eduard]

I know this board is never the place to try to set the record straight . . . but I never claimed any great prowess as a lover.

What I do state . . . is that I am very, very interested in the sexual pleasures that my female partners achieve...

collectively or individually? 

[Gator]

viny1984   
 
Pardon me, but you need more dating experience before tackling RW.  Two reasons:  you may not detect the RW sharks who will eat you alive, and sincere RW appreciate strong men (decisive, confident, attitude).
 
You can write a few RW at a respectable agency such as Elena's models, but get some help.

[viny1984]

Ok Guys,

Thanks for such an overwhelming response. It seems the consensus says that RW is not for people like me(well not yet for sure). However, then let me ask another question I know this may not be the right forum but I guess you are all guys here so am going to roll the dice. 

Given at 29 I way too old to ask this question how to attract women I mean given world had 1:1 ratio for men to women what exactly I am doing wrong to do worse than 99.99% of men. Is their school for intellectually challenged people like me?

I have tried online dating no avail so I know that doesn’t seem to work. 
Regards,
Viny

[Ade]

Ok Guys,

Thanks for such an overwhelming response. It seems the consensus says that RW is not for people like me(well not yet for sure). However, then let me ask another question I know this may not be the right forum but I guess you are all guys here so am going to roll the dice. 

Given at 29 I way too old to ask this question how to attract women I mean given world had 1:1 ratio for men to women what exactly I am doing wrong to do worse than 99.99% of men. Is their school for intellectually challenged people like me?

I have tried online dating no avail so I know that doesn’t seem to work. 
Regards,
Viny

The absolute #1 thing you need is confidence. Or at least, you need to appear confident.


Don't fear rejection either. You can't be all things to all women but if you try to meet enough you will eventually find someone that likes you for you no matter how weird you may be.


Go out there and just try.

[Shadow]

Let me take a guess here. When you give online dating a try, you make a profile and wait for reactions, emulating a spider willing to catch a fly.
If you send a reaction, it is to a perfect 10.

This way, it is going to take forever to get a reaction. The most beautiful pictures still get hundreds of reactions, so unless you stand out in a very positive way, nobody is going to look at you.

Start reading every profile, and writing every woman that even half interests you. Take the initiative instead of waiting.

[Globetrotter]

Try harder.  Find someone with your same interests.  Kind of like the tourist who asked the New Yorker...."Excuse me please, but how do I get to Carnagie Hall?"  Practice, practice, practice!!!

[newjason]

Ok Guys,

Thanks for such an overwhelming response. It seems the consensus says that RW is not for people like me(well not yet for sure). However, then let me ask another question I know this may not be the right forum but I guess you are all guys here so am going to roll the dice. 

Given at 29 I way too old to ask this question how to attract women I mean given world had 1:1 ratio for men to women what exactly I am doing wrong to do worse than 99.99% of men. Is their school for intellectually challenged people like me?

I have tried online dating no avail so I know that doesn’t seem to work. 
Regards,
Viny

hey Viny.
You gave up way too easily  lol.

Are you intellectually challenged? or are you meaning socially challenged? and why are you making me type politically correct terms?
You need to tell more about what you mean.  We can't know about you from the few sentences that you have posted. Go to the introductions thread, introduce yourself, and tell somethings about yourself and what has led you to this point in life.

want an example? click the link below here that says Hi, Im Jason.

[Patagonie]

Ok Guys,

Thanks for such an overwhelming response. It seems the consensus says that RW is not for people like me(well not yet for sure). However, then let me ask another question I know this may not be the right forum but I guess you are all guys here so am going to roll the dice. 

Given at 29 I way too old to ask this question how to attract women I mean given world had 1:1 ratio for men to women what exactly I am doing wrong to do worse than 99.99% of men. Is their school for intellectually challenged people like me?

I have tried online dating no avail so I know that doesn’t seem to work. 
Regards,
Viny

I know that you have a lot to read here, it seems that you don't have read my previous post. The answer of your question is here :

"I would advice you to enter in the PUA world and make a workshop as soon as possible.

If you don't know how to drive a car, why do you want to have one ? This is not very elegant but it gives you a clue."

Your question is too general to answer you, we don't know you. If you meet me and we go in a crowded party pub with many girls in one hour i can tell you all. But on the web it is shit to discuss this type of detail. See a master, a professional. Type Pick up artist on google.

[Patagonie]

If it can give you a clue, watch this video. What to not do, with a woman.

[Patagonie]

This one is better :

[Eduard]

This one is better :

Excellent film! So much is happening on a subconscious level.

[Shadow]

For guys new at this, while it may give a clue, its better not to try learning from over-acted situations. Real life is much more subtle.

[Patagonie]

The first video is an ordinary movie commented..

The second is like a laboratory but after half an hour it is impossible to hide yourself and who you are. The explanations given are instant shoot, and so it is real life. I find it one of the most subtle i ever seen. Especially when in the same second three of the four girls are jiggled their hair, it is incredible. When guys or women are in dating, you need to be highly skilled to take care of the camera. In this third video the guy is highly skilled (pua) and he is capable to take half second to stare the camera. This third video happens in a very challenged place. And they have only few timesto perform, nothing is faked (as the second).

[Slumba]

I found the second video Patagonie posted to be quite interesting.  Thanks Patagonie!

[Patagonie]

I never adviced a woman as personal coach, but this one is DAMNED good for what i heard from her video. I validate every clue she explains here. And she said at the end : THE FIRST DATE is the most CRUCIAL, remember guys.

[Manny]

Hi Guys,

I am a newbie who wishes to test the water of MOB. Now as most of newbie’s have some concerns so let me give you some brief about self.

I am 29 Year old guy from Australia who was born and brought up in strict and conservative environment in India due to which I could never develop skill to attract women. Situation is so bad that in 29 years I have dated just once despite being highly educated and financially well-off.

Now for obvious reasons I want to try the MOB, I would like to given my history with women and I not being from Caucasian (being India) do I stand a chance.  Also, how does Australia rank is Eastern European women’s priorities via-a-via US, UK and Canada.

Also, do you recommend I directly take a tour (as recommended by few) or create an online profile and start nitrating with girls online?

All replies shall be appreciated.
Regards,
Viny1984

The FSU isn't for you. They will eat you alive.

These women are quite racist.
You lack dating experience.
You are too young.
You are culturally very different to them having been brought up in India.
Your English isn't clean enough to translate well.
At your age, you likely do not have the money to do this - it is VERY expensive.

This simply isn't for you. Others may sugar coat it, or tell you otherwise if they want to sell you something, but it ain't happening for you in the FSU.

In my opinion.

[Vasilisa]

I wouldn't call the OP an "average" guy. And from what I've heard so far I wouldn't recommend going. Would be a waste of time and money.

[Eduard]

My real life experience tells me that you have a pretty good chance of finding love in the FSU.
29 is a good age so you shouldn't have to deal with older women with kids at all and just focus on women in their 20s. Be prepaired that it is going to take more time because you are not Caucasian, but still very realistic in my experience. There is a number of Caucasian FSU women who wouldn't mind marrying outside of their race plus there are plenty of FSU women who are Asian and racially mixed. All you really have to do is focus on girls who are more average looking. Many of them have very limited options when it comes to local FSU men so some of them will give you a chance because the alternative would be to settle for a local guy who drinks too much, cheats too often and may be physically abusive. These girls are not local men's first choice so it goes with the territory.


A lot depends on how you approach them and what you say to them in your letters. You can make a girl fall in love with you just for the way you write and she will be patient and caring to you when you meet and date in real life. She will teach you everything you have the lack of experience in and she will love you and take care of you and you will do the same for her. Many of these average looking girls would love to have a man who they can trust and call their own. And many of the average looking girls make a much better wife and partner in life than beautiful women.
You wrote that you are well off financially so money shouldn't be an issue, just don't be stingy with RW they despise cheap men. Money is good to have, but money only buys things, it can't buy happiness. But you can use money to find the person who will bring love and happiness into your life.
Some here will try to discourage you, but I KNOW that it can be done. It is really up to you. Good luck.
Ed

[Vasilisa]

My real life experience tells me that you have a pretty good chance of finding love in the FSU.
29 is a good age so you shouldn't have to deal with older women with kids at all and just focus on women in their 20s. Be prepaired that it is going to take more time because you are not Caucasian, but still very realistic in my experience. There is a number of Caucasian FSU women who wouldn't mind marrying outside of their race plus there are plenty of FSU women who are Asian and racially mixed. All you really have to do is focus on girls who are more average looking. Many of them have very limited options when it comes to local FSU men so some of them will give you a chance because the alternative would be to settle for a local guy who drinks too much, cheats too often and may be physically abusive. These girls are not local men's first choice so it goes with the territory.


A lot depends on how you approach them and what you say to them in your letters. You can make a girl fall in love with you just for the way you write and she will be patient and caring to you when you meet and date in real life. She will teach you everything you have the lack of experience in and she will love you and take care of you and you will do the same for her. Many of these average looking girls would love to have a man who they can trust and call their own. And many of the average looking girls make a much better wife and partner in life than beautiful women.
You wrote that you are well off financially so money shouldn't be an issue, just don't be stingy with RW they despise cheap men. Money is good to have, but money only buys things, it can't buy happiness. But you can use money to find the person who will bring love and happiness into your life.
Some here will try to discourage you, but I KNOW that it can be done. It is really up to you. Good luck.
Ed

The problem is not in the girls he is going to date, the problem is in him.
India is full of nice not bossy girls and India is closer, Thailand is closer, China is closer, but he wants to go to Russia or Ukraine  and the reason is because....///

[Eduard]

The problem is not in the girls he is going to date, the problem is in him.
India is full of nice not bossy girls and India is closer, Thailand is closer, China is closer, but he wants to go to Russia or Ukraine  and the reason is because....///

let's ask him! 

[Vasilisa]

let's ask him! 

I don't have to ask as I have dated an Indian guy, a Pakistanian guy and a guy from Dubai and I know the answer.

[Eduard]

I don't have to ask as I have dated an Indian guy, a Pakistanian guy and a guy from Dubai and I know the answer.

Do tell!

[viny1984]

Dear Ed,

I guess Vasilisa has raised some genuine concerns. However, I never thought about India, China or South East Asia for the simple reason these parts of the world do not have an established MOB industry(at least to my knowledge).

Vasilisa, since you have dated guys from the subcontinent what are the problems you would term as major limiting factors.

I guess moral of story is I should concentrate on things I am good at and maybe give dating a miss.