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Re: First timer headed to Ukraine
« Reply #350 on: March 04, 2013, 01:27:38 PM »
I agree, although I feel mine is more than a friendship.   :thumbsup:


R, I was referring to developing friendships inter-couples, not intra-couple. I know you and I are way beyond friendship with our respective UW soulmates (although N is now my best friend). I hope S is on the same path with Eva so that we can develop an ongoing empathetic support network here in Luhansk. 

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Re: First timer headed to Ukraine
« Reply #351 on: March 11, 2013, 05:38:39 AM »
 I am starting this trip report near the end. At least I hope I am close to the end.

 Made it into Kiev this morning. My flight to Amsterdam was at 9:40am.  But things did not go well here. After all the transfers from the buses and terminals I made it to check -in at 8:45. Why it took 25 minutes to print my tickets is a mystery to me. So I ran upstairs and got into the green line. I knew I had a half hour...but would be cutting it close. In fact....I missed my flight. Got to the gate at 9:45.

 So then the gate lady starts telling me its all my fault. "I was paging you"  Yea....on a paging system that is a piece of shit and you cant hear anyways. So she acts all concerned and drops me off at Ukraine International. "they will take care of you" Yea right...they said' You have to go to gate D".  Anyways even though I was there in plenty of time and their machine didn't work to print tickets... I get hosed. No flights to Amsterdam till wed through UI. Earliest flight was at 5pm through KLM....but still to late to catch flight to Detroit.

 I realize now I should just have budged in line...as that would have worked.  Anyways I purchased a flight to Amsterdam for 500.00 and another to Chicago for 900.00. Should be able to get a flight from Chicago to Duluth fairly easily. Looks like I will be spending an additional 1,700.00    and even more aggravating is the 20 additional hours to get home.

The good news is I should have plenty of time to write a half-way decent trip report :clapping:

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Re: First timer headed to Ukraine
« Reply #352 on: March 11, 2013, 06:46:03 AM »
 So I am going to skip the logistics of getting there.

 I arrive at Donetsk airport and Eva was standing there waiting for me. More beautiful than ever. It sure was nice. After some hugs and kisses we took a taxi to apartment she had found in Donetsk. I will not go into much detail of the first couple of days. Everything was wonderful :clapping:

 Wed morning I woke up at 6am. Just one of those days I should have slept till non as we went to sleep around 4am. But I could not sleep. Today we were going to Eva's house. I was somewhat concerned as she had been reluctant to let me see her place. She had told me she was embarrassed about her place and had been working hard on it the last week. I let her sleep till 9 or so and we went to the bank to exchange  money and get something to eat. There was a pub right there so Eva suggested we go there. No problem.  One thing that concerned me was she ordered a glass of whiskey.....but not a big deal as it was kind of a vacation. I do not drink to much and am leary of women who do. Something to keep my eye on.

 It was when we got the bill that I made my first  mistake. Total bill was around 240 grivna. I just put in 300. Eva saw that and took out 40 or 50 grivna and said that is too much. Ok.

We ended up taking a taxi to her place and the total was 580 grivna. I gave the guy 700. Eva asked me how much I gave him....so I told her. I knew right then this was a problem. "Why you give him so much? He would kiss you for 20 grivna. Why do I look for good taxi prices for you and you just pay 120 grivnas extra? Why do I even bother?"

 So my advice for those wondering about tipping. If you think a woman will be impressed by you giving a big tip.....think again. They will just think you are stupid! ( i realize there are exceptions)

 This did come back to haunt me :wallbash:

 

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Re: First timer headed to Ukraine
« Reply #353 on: March 11, 2013, 09:29:05 AM »
I am starting this trip report near the end. At least I hope I am close to the end.

 Made it into Kiev this morning. My flight to Amsterdam was at 9:40am.  But things did not go well here. After all the transfers from the buses and terminals I made it to check -in at 8:45. Why it took 25 minutes to print my tickets is a mystery to me. So I ran upstairs and got into the green line. I knew I had a half hour...but would be cutting it close. In fact....I missed my flight. Got to the gate at 9:45.

 So then the gate lady starts telling me its all my fault. "I was paging you"  Yea....on a paging system that is a piece of shit and you cant hear anyways. So she acts all concerned and drops me off at Ukraine International. "they will take care of you" Yea right...they said' You have to go to gate D".  Anyways even though I was there in plenty of time and their machine didn't work to print tickets... I get hosed. No flights to Amsterdam till wed through UI. Earliest flight was at 5pm through KLM....but still to late to catch flight to Detroit.

 I realize now I should just have budged in line...as that would have worked.  Anyways I purchased a flight to Amsterdam for 500.00 and another to Chicago for 900.00. Should be able to get a flight from Chicago to Duluth fairly easily. Looks like I will be spending an additional 1,700.00    and even more aggravating is the 20 additional hours to get home.

The good news is I should have plenty of time to write a half-way decent trip report :clapping:

Sorry to hear about the extra $1700 to get home.  Same thing happened to me with SwissAir when my luggage ended up in Moscow.  I had to change my departure date and of course there were no seats available at the original price.  My trip home was almost the same amount as yours.   I good lesson for newbies....... Be sure you have access to a few thousand $$$ in case of emergency.

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Re: First timer headed to Ukraine
« Reply #354 on: March 11, 2013, 09:36:11 AM »
So I am going to skip the logistics of getting there.

 I arrive at Donetsk airport and Eva was standing there waiting for me. More beautiful than ever. It sure was nice. After some hugs and kisses we took a taxi to apartment she had found in Donetsk. I will not go into much detail of the first couple of days. Everything was wonderful :clapping:

 Wed morning I woke up at 6am. Just one of those days I should have slept till non as we went to sleep around 4am. But I could not sleep. Today we were going to Eva's house. I was somewhat concerned as she had been reluctant to let me see her place. She had told me she was embarrassed about her place and had been working hard on it the last week. I let her sleep till 9 or so and we went to the bank to exchange  money and get something to eat. There was a pub right there so Eva suggested we go there. No problem.  One thing that concerned me was she ordered a glass of whiskey.....but not a big deal as it was kind of a vacation. I do not drink to much and am leary of women who do. Something to keep my eye on.

 It was when we got the bill that I made my first  mistake. Total bill was around 240 grivna. I just put in 300. Eva saw that and took out 40 or 50 grivna and said that is too much. Ok.

We ended up taking a taxi to her place and the total was 580 grivna. I gave the guy 700. Eva asked me how much I gave him....so I told her. I knew right then this was a problem. "Why you give him so much? He would kiss you for 20 grivna. Why do I look for good taxi prices for you and you just pay 120 grivnas extra? Why do I even bother?"

 So my advice for those wondering about tipping. If you think a woman will be impressed by you giving a big tip.....think again. They will just think you are stupid! ( i realize there are exceptions)

 This did come back to haunt me :wallbash:

1.  I thought the tipping issue had been covered extensively on the forum.  Your lady is right.  The natives will think you are a fool to be throwing money away on large tips.   Her comment about "he would kiss you for 20 grivnas" is spot on!
2.  I have found that a good FSU woman will watch your money and act in your best interest.  That is a good sign for you.
3.  Whiskey in the morning......................That might be a red flag if it is more than once.     ;D

At any rate, sounds like you had a good time on your first trip and got your feet wet.  Waiting to hear more of the story.

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Re: First timer headed to Ukraine
« Reply #355 on: March 11, 2013, 09:36:45 AM »
I once missed my flight because I was BSing with a quite good looking gal while sitting very near my departure gate.

Just proves what a PIA gals can be, even when they are not trying!!! :o >:( ;D ::) :'( :-* :-*
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Re: First timer headed to Ukraine
« Reply #356 on: March 11, 2013, 04:02:31 PM »
 It was good to get out of Kiev. To me that airport is a mess. Poorly planned and not very visitor friendly.


 My short trip to see Eva again had everything. Romance,drama,disagreements......you name it.

 Her place was small and she does not really care about cleaning under things....but that doesn't bother me. It's better than one woman who wrote to me that she "likes to cook and clean" :rolleyes: Yea....thats what I want....someone who loves to clean :rolleyes:
 She had a nice refrigerator and washer and there were a few things that were broken that I offered to try and fix. She had been without a bathroom light for 2 years.....just three wires coming out of the wall. A doorknob that was broken,a leak under the sink, a broken switch.  We went to the market and I was able to buy everything I needed. Eventually I got everything fixed....and it even worked. But....she was so used to using the bathroom in the dark....she never used the switch. Like I joked with her....."I smash light because now we see how dirty bathroom is"

 Women Day is the day I screwed up. I had no clue how important this day is. I kind of figured it was more like Mothers Day. I would now say it is more like Christmas, Valentines Day and every woman's birthday rolled into one. All I gave her was a bouquet of yellow roses. ( I believe it was to little) She did tell me (more than once) that I gave taxi guy 700 grivnas and just roses for her.

 I don't know if she wanted me to start handing out money or what. I just said I was sorry and now I know.

 That evening was when the real drama started. We we going to go bowling with Eva's best friend and long-time boyfriend. Her friend is 44 and boyfriend is 34. Neither of them spoke a word of English. No problem....bowling should be no problem. Turns out bowling was to busy so it is restraunt  instead. I was a little nervous and I drank way to much. We all did. I think the four of us drank 4 bottles of vodka :devil: Her friends were really nice and we had a great time drinking,dancing, taking pictures etc. We all had a wonderful time. On the walk back home it was snowing and the wind was blowing. Apparently I was not qualified to run the umbrella as her hair got snowy on occasion.  I know better than to get drunk....but shit happens. Her comments about my lack of skills irritated me a little and I should have kept my mouth shut later.......but how many drunks get smarter?

 So we make it back to her place and for whatever reason we tried to go find something on internet. "Give me 20 Grivna" she says. "Need to pay for Internet" So I say "What about grivna I already gave you?"(I had given her 1,600 grivna for taxi and motel...but she only paid for taxi...so she still had 1,000 that I had given her)

My comment did not go over very well so I just said whatever and gave her 20 grivna. She has to go somewhere to pay for internet I guess. I lay down on couch and 10 minutes later she returns......but she is really fired up. She goes on about giving everyone money but I make her pay for internet. Then she gets mad I have my pants on. She starts trying to rip them off...and I just grab my belt and tell her  "I will take my pants off when I am good and ready to" This made her even more mad. So then....she kicks me out. " You must go"

 I am drunk...but this is way out of hand. So I put my coat on and start to gather my stuff. This must have pissed her off even more as she comes over and claws my face and shoves me on the bed. " You are not leaving" she screams!

 Talk about drama!! This is to much. So I just lay back down...and its weird as she calms down pretty quickly.  So we get to talking and I apologize for my actions and try to figure out what happened. We resolve most issues...at least talk and agree on them......but what I am most troubled by is she denies attacking me. She never caused my face to bleed because there are only 2 scratches. If she had done it there would be four. :wallbash:

 She finally admits to it and we "make up"

 The next day everything is all rosy again. She is all over me like nothing happened. At this point I am pretty sure she is an alcoholic....so my plan is to make sure they are always ample amounts of alcohol around.

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Re: First timer headed to Ukraine
« Reply #357 on: March 11, 2013, 04:16:56 PM »
It was good to get out of Kiev. To me that airport is a mess. Poorly planned and not very visitor friendly.


 My short trip to see Eva again had everything. Romance,drama,disagreements......you name it.

 Her place was small and she does not really care about cleaning under things....but that doesn't bother me. It's better than one woman who wrote to me that she "likes to cook and clean" :rolleyes: Yea....thats what I want....someone who loves to clean :rolleyes:
 She had a nice refrigerator and washer and there were a few things that were broken that I offered to try and fix. She had been without a bathroom light for 2 years.....just three wires coming out of the wall. A doorknob that was broken,a leak under the sink, a broken switch.  We went to the market and I was able to buy everything I needed. Eventually I got everything fixed....and it even worked. But....she was so used to using the bathroom in the dark....she never used the switch. Like I joked with her....."I smash light because now we see how dirty bathroom is"

 Women Day is the day I screwed up. I had no clue how important this day is. I kind of figured it was more like Mothers Day. I would now say it is more like Christmas, Valentines Day and every woman's birthday rolled into one. All I gave her was a bouquet of yellow roses. ( I believe it was to little) She did tell me (more than once) that I gave taxi guy 700 grivnas and just roses for her.

 I don't know if she wanted me to start handing out money or what. I just said I was sorry and now I know.

 That evening was when the real drama started. We we going to go bowling with Eva's best friend and long-time boyfriend. Her friend is 44 and boyfriend is 34. Neither of them spoke a word of English. No problem....bowling should be no problem. Turns out bowling was to busy so it is restraunt  instead. I was a little nervous and I drank way to much. We all did. I think the four of us drank 4 bottles of vodka :devil: Her friends were really nice and we had a great time drinking,dancing, taking pictures etc. We all had a wonderful time. On the walk back home it was snowing and the wind was blowing. Apparently I was not qualified to run the umbrella as her hair got snowy on occasion.  I know better than to get drunk....but shit happens. Her comments about my lack of skills irritated me a little and I should have kept my mouth shut later.......but how many drunks get smarter?

 So we make it back to her place and for whatever reason we tried to go find something on internet. "Give me 20 Grivna" she says. "Need to pay for Internet" So I say "What about grivna I already gave you?"(I had given her 1,600 grivna for taxi and motel...but she only paid for taxi...so she still had 1,000 that I had given her)

My comment did not go over very well so I just said whatever and gave her 20 grivna. She has to go somewhere to pay for internet I guess. I lay down on couch and 10 minutes later she returns......but she is really fired up. She goes on about giving everyone money but I make her pay for internet. Then she gets mad I have my pants on. She starts trying to rip them off...and I just grab my belt and tell her  "I will take my pants off when I am good and ready to" This made her even more mad. So then....she kicks me out. " You must go"

 I am drunk...but this is way out of hand. So I put my coat on and start to gather my stuff. This must have pissed her off even more as she comes over and claws my face and shoves me on the bed. " You are not leaving" she screams!

 Talk about drama!! This is to much. So I just lay back down...and its weird as she calms down pretty quickly.  So we get to talking and I apologize for my actions and try to figure out what happened. We resolve most issues...at least talk and agree on them......but what I am most troubled by is she denies attacking me. She never caused my face to bleed because there are only 2 scratches. If she had done it there would be four. :wallbash:

 She finally admits to it and we "make up"

 The next day everything is all rosy again. She is all over me like nothing happened. At this point I am pretty sure she is an alcoholic....so my plan is to make sure they are always ample amounts of alcohol around.

Your cracking me up!!!   I went through an identical situation with a former fiance in Ukraine.  Fixing everthing that was broken and telling me to leave when she was angry (and drunk).  She did not get physical, but I had packed my bags and asked her to call a taxi for me.  She refused and asked me why my bags were packed!    Go figure.      ;D

Sounds like you have your hands full with this one.  Just remember, it doesn't get any better.  In fact she is probably on 'good behavior'.         ;D

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Re: First timer headed to Ukraine
« Reply #358 on: March 11, 2013, 04:32:20 PM »
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3.  Whiskey in the morning......................That might be a red flag if it
is more than once.     ;D

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Re: First timer headed to Ukraine
« Reply #359 on: March 11, 2013, 04:39:34 PM »
Run, Forrest, run.

I have to agree, Boethius.

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Re: First timer headed to Ukraine
« Reply #360 on: March 11, 2013, 04:53:27 PM »
Lonedrake, if you follow Paulie's path and meet this woman again . . .
I will have to wonder why this forum has suddenly attracted a bunch of idoits.
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Re: First timer headed to Ukraine
« Reply #361 on: March 11, 2013, 04:53:49 PM »
...Apparently I was not qualified to run the umbrella as her hair got snowy on occasion.  I know better than to get drunk....but shit happens. Her comments about my lack of skills irritated me a little and I should have kept my mouth shut later.......but how many drunks get smarter?


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So we make it back to her place and for whatever reason we tried to go find something on internet. "Give me 20 Grivna" she says. "Need to pay for Internet" So I say "What about grivna I already gave you?"(I had given her 1,600 grivna for taxi and motel...but she only paid for taxi...so she still had 1,000 that I had given her)

My comment did not go over very well so I just said whatever and gave her 20 grivna. She has to go somewhere to pay for internet I guess. I lay down on couch and 10 minutes later she returns......but she is really fired up. She goes on about giving everyone money but I make her pay for internet. Then she gets mad I have my pants on. She starts trying to rip them off...and I just grab my belt and tell her  "I will take my pants off when I am good and ready to" This made her even more mad. So then....she kicks me out. " You must go"


 :ROFL: :ROFL:


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 I am drunk...but this is way out of hand. So I put my coat on and start to gather my stuff. This must have pissed her off even more as she comes over and claws my face and shoves me on the bed. " You are not leaving" she screams!


 :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

 Talk about drama!! This is to much. So I just lay back down...and its weird as she calms down pretty quickly.  So we get to talking and I apologize for my actions and try to figure out what happened. We resolve most issues...at least talk and agree on them......but what I am most troubled by is she denies attacking me. She never caused my face to bleed because there are only 2 scratches. If she had done it there would be four. :wallbash:

 She finally admits to it and we "make up"




 :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:


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The next day everything is all rosy again. She is all over me like nothing happened. At this point I am pretty sure she is an alcoholic....so my plan is to make sure they are always ample amounts of alcohol around.




heh... sounds like you had a personal encounter...



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Re: First timer headed to Ukraine
« Reply #362 on: March 11, 2013, 05:27:55 PM »
Lonedrake, are you seriously considering visiting this woman again?


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Re: First timer headed to Ukraine
« Reply #363 on: March 11, 2013, 05:51:15 PM »
Lonedrake, are you seriously considering visiting this woman again?


Are a glutton for punishment?

 :cluebat:

Lonedrake,

For you next trip try and filter them out beforehand if you are wife hunting.
Also, keep her number with you in case you strike out with ALL of the others and want a little entertainment and drama before you come home.    ;D

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Re: First timer headed to Ukraine
« Reply #364 on: March 11, 2013, 06:34:00 PM »
I am sure things are much smoother when LD and Eva were apart!!!! Can you imagine being together after a few months if not a couple years...yikes...
I am also sure....that first impressions are usually dead on!!
 
BTW LD....sorry to hear about the flights troubles, I am with you guy...just what you needed!!! >:(
I always recommend at least 1.5 to 2 hour leeway at KBP...just in case....
LD, did you take an overnight bus/train or early morning flight?
 
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Re: First timer headed to Ukraine
« Reply #365 on: March 11, 2013, 06:43:11 PM »
 
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Lonedrake, are you seriously considering visiting this woman again?


  Depends if I feel the need to get matching scars :)

 No..Absolutely not. I checked out mentally the morning after...but was literally to scared to leave a day early. I just played it cool and we just had fun talking and joking around. I was actually able to get inside her head a little more.....and the knowledge I gained makes me believe she has some split personality disorder or something.

 She is just the sweetest thing when you meet her or talk to her, but her temper is quick and out of control.

 I am trying to be as fair as I can. There are always two sides to the story and I am sure hers is different.

 Sunday she was showing me the rest of her photo albums. To me it was very odd. Say there was about 500 photos in total. 300 of them were of just her. Always posing. About 150 of the pics were of her and one or two friends....mostly around alcohol.

  So Sunday afternoon we went to the market and I stocked her up with alcohol. It was around 400 grivna...so not a lot...but three bottles of whatever it was she wanted.  I knew leaving was probably going to be a disaster so I choose my words carefully. She would be crying one minute,laughing the next and then maybe crying or angry. She asked if I wanted her to go to the airport with me. I really didn't but I knew what would happen if I said no.

 I put myself in a bad situation because I was leaving at 2:30am to airport and she was the one to call the taxi.  So we agreed to go to airport together. She called taxi and got a good rate and would pick us up at 2:30. At about 2:00 I packed up my bags and told her I would give her the rest of my grivnas as they do me no good in USA.  Everything was going good and I was just excited to head to the airport. She wanted to know how she was going to return home...by bus...by taxi..train. I only had about 300 extra grivna so I added 200.00 bucks extra and gave her the money and said it does not matter to me how you come home. You now have enough to go whichever way you want. You can take taxi. Or you can take bus and keep the rest of the money..Does not matter to me.

 Then....all hell broke loose. She started ripping up grivnas and yelling that she never wants to talk to me again or see me or write and on and on. I remained calm and tried to figure what I did wrong :wallbash: She was saying that I said I don't care about her...I just told her that I didn't care. I went over and over how it was just about how she was to return home. It did not make sense. I believe she was upset because she wanted more money.....but Its hard to say.

 So taxi shows up...she has calmed down....but has now started drinking straight from the bottle.

Looks like a long taxi ride :wallbash: Luckily she sat in the front and talked to the driver most of the time.

So we get into the airport. She buys more booze :rolleyes: Its like six in the morning. I sit and talk with her and know that she could explode any second. So I make my way to the checkout line....she grabs my hand and follows me along. Kissing and rubbing me. This is a 7am monday morning flight. I try to keep her from bumping into other people...but not much luck.  I swear she was going to try and follow me on plane and security would have to haul her away. Finally she lets me go and I make my way to customs  :clapping::clapping:

 I am still alive :clapping:

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Re: First timer headed to Ukraine
« Reply #366 on: March 11, 2013, 06:50:53 PM »
I am STILL cracking up that someone found someone with the same personality and behavior as my ex-fiance (but with less booze).   I met one other that was similar (including the drinking).   I am not sure if it might be bi-polar or just the personality.  I doubt that it would be much different without the drinking.

At least you had some fun moments and escaped with your life.    ;D

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Re: First timer headed to Ukraine
« Reply #367 on: March 11, 2013, 09:09:52 PM »
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She was saying that I said I don't care about her...I just told her that I didn't care. I went over and over how it was just about how she was to return home. It did not make sense. I believe she was upset because she wanted more money.....but Its hard to say.


No, she misunderstood you when you said you don't care how she gets home.  She understood it as you don't care about her.



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Re: First timer headed to Ukraine
« Reply #368 on: March 11, 2013, 09:21:27 PM »


Lonedrake, earlier in this thread when you said you weren't physically attracted to Eve and couldn't get physically aroused, that is one of the few times you should've listen to your little head. You should not be in bed with a woman you're not attracted to. Not fair to you and not fair to her. That little head of yours is not wise enough to tell you what is good for you but it can tell you what is bad and it would have save you from all this drama if you'd listen to it weeks ago.
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Re: First timer headed to Ukraine
« Reply #369 on: March 12, 2013, 12:33:16 AM »
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No, she misunderstood you when you said you don't care how she gets home.  She understood it as you don't care about her.


 Thats what I thought, but even after I explained it....many times....with many examples......something still didn't add up. I don't know exactly what it is/was but I think I sensed it before I had even said that it doesn't matter which way she gets home.

 

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Re: First timer headed to Ukraine
« Reply #370 on: March 12, 2013, 09:11:11 AM »

 Thats what I thought, but even after I explained it....many times....with many examples......something still didn't add up. I don't know exactly what it is/was but I think I sensed it before I had even said that it doesn't matter which way she gets home.

She misunderstood and then the alcohol wouldn't allow her to understand your explanation. You were a duck on the water as soon as that left your lips. You'll discover that when speaking to an FSUW, particularly when there are romantic notions that your words must be crafted carefully to the level that they clearly understand the meaning behind the words and not just the words. Alcohol only compounds the problem

 More often than not the true meaning behind is never understood. My wife has a "good" command of English but I still at almost 5 years have to pause and think before I speak and translate in my mind how it's going to be perceived by her. Nothing ever relative to what you've experienced with this woman but, in the same stream. Often your words are taken very literally, never figuratively. Take pause

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Re: First timer headed to Ukraine
« Reply #371 on: March 12, 2013, 09:26:06 AM »

 Thats what I thought, but even after I explained it....many times....with many examples......something still didn't add up. I don't know exactly what it is/was but I think I sensed it before I had even said that it doesn't matter which way she gets home.

Given any combination of stupidity, mental problems and alcohol . . . this will be like trying to reason logically with a screaming 3 year old child.
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Re: First timer headed to Ukraine
« Reply #372 on: March 12, 2013, 10:36:53 AM »
LD,

I hope that you continue your search.  You have just had some bad luck with the women so far.  Believe me, there are many great women in the FSU. Best of luck to you.

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Re: First timer headed to Ukraine
« Reply #373 on: March 12, 2013, 10:42:55 AM »
She misunderstood and then the alcohol wouldn't allow her to understand your explanation. You were a duck on the water as soon as that left your lips. You'll discover that when speaking to an FSUW, particularly when there are romantic notions that your words must be crafted carefully to the level that they clearly understand the meaning behind the words and not just the words. Alcohol only compounds the problem

 More often than not the true meaning behind is never understood. My wife has a "good" command of English but I still at almost 5 years have to pause and think before I speak and translate in my mind how it's going to be perceived by her. Nothing ever relative to what you've experienced with this woman but, in the same stream. Often your words are taken very literally, never figuratively. Take pause

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Re: First timer headed to Ukraine
« Reply #374 on: March 12, 2013, 11:45:52 AM »
LD,

I read your posts with great empathy.  Now you need to get back on the horse and find someone else.  There are many great women out there. 

The greatest amount of thought that I put into dating went into the criteria I selected that would be acceptable to me.  If a woman violated that criteria, I moved on to the next woman.  I have oft repeated that a woman who is wise and kind are of the highest priority.  Beauty fades.  But wisdom and kindness do much to enhance love. 

I do not drink alcohol.  My brother (and best friend) died an alcoholic so it is particularly objectionable to me.  Based on your description of your behavior in Ukraine, your alcohol consumption created problems for you that would have had you discarded by many women.  A hard drinking man, who does not control his liquor, is one of the stereotypes that Ukrainian women typically want to get away from.  Only you can make those choices, but what you found objectionable in this woman, others may find objectionable in you.  Remember, a woman is looking at you as a long term mate, not a good time Charlie.

I know that there is nothing that would have favorably resolved your relationship.  But looking to the future, you know you have some work cut out for you.  I believe in you.  Godspeed.
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