Sex with FSU women

[solomon]

Useless discussion Good luck for you boys to find exactly what you are looking for


( BTw how many of you are able to get sex from American women at 4th date ?  )

Hello Elen. Always good to see you chatting. For me, the answer is almost always. Not because I am some kind of Casanova or just pick sluts. For whatever reason it just has worked out that way. I think in the relationships, even if short ones, things have just flowed nicely. I would also add that in a few cases with AW's not intercourse but significant intimacy.

[solomon]

Soloman... What is your priority... SEX or the women?   Are you looking to make a "BEST FRIEND", for life or a good lay?

If a long time relationship is your goal... STOP and think what you really want and need....

Do you expect to just spend all your time making SEX?

I recommend, that you will need to spend at least 90% of your time interacting an many other levels and if that isn't possable.... forget it. You will be miserable!

Mamma D (married 57 years to the same man!)

My priority is the woman, but sex is a very important part of the relationship. If you look at Maslow's pyramid, it is difficult for us as humans to function well at higher levels without a good sex life. Without it, we focus on it.

[jb]

LOL,,, Maslow's pyramid of needs did not include recreational sex as a necessity, as far as I remember.  If it did, it was waaaaaay down on the list.

That's too funny.

[BC]

Well, sex landed me a job changin' diapers.. isn't that high level stuff?

[jb]

Yes, but that was "procreational" sex, not "recreational" sex.  There is a huge difference between what these guys go over for in a week and what happens to a married couple in a year.

Gawd, this cracks me up.

[solomon]

LOL,,, Maslow's pyramid of needs did not include recreational sex as a necessity, as far as I remember.  If it did, it was waaaaaay down on the list.

That's too funny.

Who said anything about recreational sex?

[solomon]

Yes, but that was "procreational" sex, not "recreational" sex.  There is a huge difference between what these guys go over for in a week and what happens to a married couple in a year.

Gawd, this cracks me up.

Were you there JB? Tell us about it.

[jb]

I'll admit, I have heard of a girl or two who took seriously what was poked at them in fun, but I'm sure that was simply a misunderstanding.

[wiz]

Hello everybody

I have been larking around for sometime and today I had a good laugh reading some comments on this thread because of the diversity in opinions to human relations between the posters.

Having visited Ukraine for about 10 times, in the past 3 years, I have met several women and of course I had different experience with each one of them.

I am 61 years old and of course I am not a fool to go looking for a young woman below 40 yrs of age and that is pushing my luck!

I have never used an agency or a translator and always communicated directly with the women. I have created my own profile, in 2-3 FREE dating sites, with clear requirements in it and believe it or not I get letters on a daily basis. I have come to recognise the scammers from the first sentence and I do not reply.

In my profile I state that I don't speak Russian or Ukrainian and will not reply to any messages if they are not written in English! I will never contemplate starting any correspondence with any woman who is using an online translator.

I have never send any money to any woman there but of course, after our meeting I have paid for their transport, when they came to Kyiv to meet me.

Before I organise to meet any woman I make sure that I have correspondence and telephone calls for sometime, to make sure that communication is adequate between us. As PeeWee said you can find out a lot about their character through their replies in her messages. Ukrainian women are very secretive about their personal life but with a little of provocation in my messages I get enough information out. Of course I am fully aware that they keep their options open and talk to many other men at the same time, as I do also, so it is fair for them to do the same. Then when I travel to Ukraine I always allow 4-5 days for each meeting and never in the same town.

When I meet a woman for first time I know in a few minutes if I like her or not and act accordingly but if I have my doubts about her character then I just have fun. No woman will ever change the fact that men are visual creatures. It simply will never happen. Some like them slender and some like their women to be on the large side. As for me, I prefer an average woman who enjoy her femininity.

Many Russian and Ukrainian women do not pretend about their sexuality and if they happen to like you, for whatever reason they will not hesitate to have sex with you. How soon, it all depends on each woman. If they are serious about starting a relationship, they know the time scale and of course they will have sex with you very soon. Don't forget that they probably want to find out also how you behave in bed and if you are a match! Nothing is wrong with that, works both ways!

Once I met a woman at Kyiv airport who could not wait to go to the hotel and she was all over me so by the time we went to our room we were at it like rabbits. Of course she was not wife material for me but I enjoyed my next 3 days with her and in a month's time she was engaged and then married to another man from Scotland!

When I met another woman in Crimea, with whom I was talking to for nearly 6 months, the first night I went to sleep in the living room of the apartment but she came out and ask me to join her in bed. She told me that we have spoken about everything and I like you, so why not have sex too!
Unfortunately our characters did not match but we are still good friends and speak to each other often.

Others varied in their approach to sex. Some waited 1-2 days before having sex but all of them, except one, they were prepared to have sex, for their own reasons.

I think Turbo is near to the truth with his comments. 

[KenC]

Wiz,
Wecome to the board.  It sounds as if you have your act together and with all of your experience, I hope to see your input in the future.  With all of your experience, why is it you have not married yet?  Are you looking for a wife?  Or just enjoying yourself? Is your experience solely in Ukraine?
KenC

[jb]

Welcome, Wiz;

Very solid 1st post.  Hope to read more from you.

BTW, your profile lists your gender as "female", you might want to attend to that.

[wiz]

Hello Ken

Thanks for your comments:

The reason I have not been successful in finding the right woman, again, is because I have certain requirements and at my age 61 yrs, I am not prepared to make a huge mistake.

1. I will not start a relationship with any woman who I have not good communication. I think good communication is paramount for a successful marriage.

2. I travelled once in St. Peters burg to meet a woman, who happen to speak excellent English and we had a good f....g time, but nothing came out of it because she was still married, but never told me that before! I had a good holiday there though and she thanked me for the holiday romance!

Thanks JB and I will try to become a man again...LOL

Sorry not used to the software yet!

3. I try to avoid talking to too many Russian women, based in Russia, but I talk and met a few here in UK. Several of them travel here to visit. Travelling to Russia is difficult in comparison with Ukraine and I don't see why I should pay the Russians for a visa just to go to their country to spent my money! I can travel to Ukraine without any VISA requirement and if necessary I can book a flight last minute. It is only 3 hours away!

4. I am not looking for an arm candy but for a person to share the rest of my life, so I do not waste my time with women under 40. I also look for women without young children commitment. I am semi retired so I have plenty of free time in my hands to enjoy life  and I do not want anymore responsibility in raising another child. The problem is that NOT many women over 40 speak English so the number of women I get to meet is not large! To my surprise the last 2 years that I have been looking I have met several older women speaking good English but most of them are desperate to get out from there, so they do not give enough time to develop any relationship.

5. When I travel in Ukraine I make sure I have spoken to the women for long time (2-3 months) so when we meet is like meeting an old friend. I do not go to Ukraine to INTERVIEW, as everybody says here, women, (which sounds like interviewing for a job) But to meet them on equal base and continue our acquaintance and hopefully start a relationship!

I just follow the same pattern as we do in our countries when we meet somebody and want to start a relationship.

6. I have become very cynical about their photos so I don't get disappointed at the end. At the beginning they all post excellent photos taken in a studio but after talking to them for long period soon a real photo arrives and you notice that they are not looking as a 35-40 yrs woman but more likely their actual age of 45-60 yrs.

I hope that explains why I have not found the right woman yet. She is somewhere out there and soon or later I will come across to her!

[BC]

I hope that explains why I have not found the right woman yet. She is somewhere out there and soon or later I will come across to her!

Wiz, you live up to your board handle.

Is refreshing to see someone come in here with a good bit of experience, working with the Commandments or Tablets (however you want to call them) instead of against.

I'm quite sure you will find your match out there.  If not, she probably does not exist and you will have given it your best shot with no regrets at having 'whizzed' your time and resources away for nothing.

My only (partial) disagreement with your post is that it's too much of a hassle to try visiting RU.  A few extra bucks and minor hassle can get you a 1 yr business visa and you can travel at will.  It was well worth it for my wife and I.  Of course this is a personal preference of mine.. sorta like the Coke/Pepsi discourse.. to me RU women are the 'real thing'

You're not counting on pure luck alone and that's really positive, but I do wish you the best of luck anyway!

[BC]

BTW it's easy to overlook that you have received messages in 'My Messages'.. this is one feature of the site that nags me a bit.. LOL

[Jet]

Welcome to the board Wiz. Beyond what the others have expressed in their "welcome" posts, it's always refreshing to meet a new member who can actually articulate!
:angel:
Good luck in your search, and I look forward to your further participation here.

[Admin]

BTW it's easy to overlook that you have received messages in 'My Messages'.. this is one feature of the site that nags me a bit.. LOL

BC (and others) - you can set a flag that will send you a pop-up when you receive a new PM. And if you don't like that, I will go find the hack that enables the flashing neon sign to take over your screen when a new PM arrives.   

- Dan

[wiz]

Welcome to the board Wiz. Beyond what the others have expressed in their "welcome" posts, it's always refreshing to meet a new member who can actually articulate!
:angel:
Good luck in your search, and I look forward to your further participation here.

Thanks Jet for your welcome and wish you all the best with your lovely wife!

Yesterday I spent quite a long time reading various posts and I found many comments very naive!

It is amazing how many men from your part of the world have no idea how to treat women and also how to go about finding a prospective wife from FSU, without been scammed.

Having been many times to USA I know that most people over there have kind hearts and are extremely helpful but they are also brash and loud! No finesse as they say!

Women in every country have different cultures and attitudes and you have to learn and adjust accordingly, if you want to succeed!

In January 2005 I was in Prague for my 60 birthday and there at the hotel I met an American chap from Colorado who was spending a week with a Ukrainian woman from Crimea.

The first night in the bar he came over and offered to buy me a drink because he had found the love of his life!!!!

It transpired that he was only spoke, by e-mail, to the very attractive woman and paid for her to travel to Prague. When I was introduced to her it was obvious to me that the woman was a good escort and nothing more. In the next 3 days he spent his time, shopping for her gold presents, clothes and other things and she was like a Christmas tree! Not a bad job for her 3 nights work in bed! He was really showing off his money.

Finally I spoke to the woman and guess what? She hardly could say Yes and No.... but of course our American friend had found the best looking woman and sex partner. When my Ukrainian friend Viktor started translating our conversation you could see the panic in her face....... Of course I told her not to worry and enjoy your holiday and I god a friendly kiss from her for understanding! 

I don't think I will be very popular with the Dating agencies who look for clients over here with my comments, because I do not use their services!

[PeeWee]

Thanks Jet for your welcome and wish you all the best with your lovely wife!

Yesterday I spent quite a long time reading various posts and I found many comments very naive!

It is amazing how many men from your part of the world have no idea how to treat women and also how to go about finding a prospective wife from FSU, without been scammed.

Having been many times to USA I know that most people over there have kind hearts and are extremely helpful but they are also brash and loud! No finesse as they say!

Women in every country have different cultures and attitudes and you have to learn and adjust accordingly, if you want to succeed!

In January 2005 I was in Prague for my 60 birthday and there at the hotel I met an American chap from Colorado who was spending a week with a Ukrainian woman from Crimea.

The first night in the bar he came over and offered to buy me a drink because he had found the love of his life!!!!

It transpired that he was only spoke, by e-mail, to the very attractive woman and paid for her to travel to Prague. When I was introduced to her it was obvious to me that the woman was a good escort and nothing more. In the next 3 days he spent his time, shopping for her gold presents, clothes and other things and she was like a Christmas tree! Not a bad job for her 3 nights work in bed! He was really showing off his money.

Finally I spoke to the woman and guess what? She hardly could say Yes and No.... but of course our American friend had found the best looking woman and sex partner. When my Ukrainian friend Viktor started translating our conversation you could see the panic in her face....... Of course I told her not to worry and enjoy your holiday and I god a friendly kiss from her for understanding! 

I don't think I will be very popular with the Dating agencies who look for clients over here with my comments, because I do not use their services!

Wiz, it goes without saying that age and experience with women should eventually negate naivetivity. Our approach to this, yours and mine, are somewhat the same. I am now thinking that age and experience has something to do with it. I had entered a period of semi retirement. That was until I realized that for me to get my son through university and if I hope to be able to afford both the care and feeding of one RW then I better turn it up a few notches, incomewise.

On my past two trips to meet with RW I have taken my son with me. Its a matter of practicality. He has but one break from university each year and we do need to spend time together before he grads and begins a family of his own. Time for father and son will disappers, althought I don't think we are anywhere near one of those "Cats in a Cradle" relationships. I want to aviod it often and always.

When we visited Moscow last year he met a lady who was a waitress working in one of the cafes in the hotel we stayed in. He took a liking to her and the exchanged addresses. He did not hear from her until several weeks ago. She emailed him.

Now they have a correspondence going on and it looks like a doubleheader might occur. I am thinking of flying everyone to either Hong Kong or Bangkok, if I can afford it, for a 10 day visits. If I can't financially swing it then I'll opt for either Moscow or Istanbul as both ladies, and this is a huge coincidence, live not more than 250 miles apart in Southern Russia, near the Caspian. He met her in Moscow but later she moved back to her native city.

I hope to see more posts from you in the future wizzer. Your sage advice might just work some magic on our Padawan members.

Peewee

[BC]

Wiz,
PeeWee,

I don't think just being American makes a better 'mark' for scammers.  Scamming is universal.

I think it has more to do with differing mentalities, cultures and 'worldliness' of the visitor.  I find my fellow Americans quite trusting, even to strangers in the US. Here in IT on the other hand when wheeling and dealing you learn to really watch out for yourself rather quickly as 'scams' in all forms abound.

When I visited Ukraine and RU I found it quite European in many ways, even the people and felt quite comfortable.  An American leaving his country maybe for the first time to visit RU might not feel the same and be at considerable disadvantage.

When it comes to women though, read the thread 'Power of the Bush'.  I've seen men from many nationalities on their knees..


 

[wiz]

BC

Italians and Greeks are UNA FATSA UNA RATSA....

I am sorry but our American friends are not used to travel abroad as we do in Europe and mix with other cultures. A high percentage of Americans have no passport.

I had the same experience when travelled in ukraine and Russia and i can smell a scammer from miles..... and there are plenty around!

Goinf to read about the power of the bush!

Chiao

[wiz]

When it comes to women though, read the thread 'Power of the Bush'.  I've seen men from many nationalities on their knees..

I can not find the Power of the Bush.

Can you help?

[PeeWee]

Wiz,
PeeWee,

I don't think just being American makes a better 'mark' for scammers.  Scamming is universal.

I think it has more to do with differing mentalities, cultures and 'worldliness' of the visitor.  I find my fellow Americans quite trusting, even to strangers in the US. Here in IT on the other hand when wheeling and dealing you learn to really watch out for yourself rather quickly as 'scams' in all forms abound.

When I visited Ukraine and RU I found it quite European in many ways, even the people and felt quite comfortable.  An American leaving his country maybe for the first time to visit RU might not feel the same and be at considerable disadvantage.

When it comes to women though, read the thread 'Power of the Bush'.  I've seen men from many nationalities on their knees..


 

I don't know, BC. We are Americans and as a result we are as a whole a lot dumber than the rest of the world.

Peewee

[Sohkay]

Ignorance knows no borders.

[jb]

Wiz;

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=1706.0

[chivo]

BC

Italians and Greeks are UNA FATSA UNA RATSA....

I am sorry but our American friends are not used to travel abroad as we do in Europe and mix with other cultures. A high percentage of Americans have no passport.

I had the same experience when travelled in ukraine and Russia and i can smell a scammer from miles..... and there are plenty around!

This is just "anti-american" BS thats often comes from the British. While there is a touch of truth to what you say, you need to compare apples to apples. First America is a land full of diverse cultures (is England?). It also is bigger in comparison to Europe. Take into account that no passport is required to many countries within a close distance to America

I get tired hearing about how Americans do this, arent this, blah blah blah. I cant tell you the number of Brits ive met in Russia who tell me how "superior" they are, not just to Americans, but to the world. Usually its a guy drunk on his ass with a smile that would only make a dentist happy. Cut me a break already.

If you think that travelling abroad somehow makes you more sophisticated and worldly just because you have done this, then you are naive at best.

Also, one other thing. Just what "hassle" is there to get a visa to Russia? You virtually cut your playing field in half by excluding Russia, for what? A few measley dollars. I will say, and its just an observation from my time here, that you will find more true scammers in Ukraine than in Russia because its a bigger *snip*hole with much less money and opportunity floating around.

Now to the matter at hand. I agree totally with the woman who said that a woman knows within the first few moments whether she is going to sleep with you or not. Your job is to pick up on this and not blow it should these thoughts be in your favor. With a FSUW, it should be more difficult "not" to pick up on this. But, there is no time limit, but youll know, and should act upon this quickly. She will let you know and she will expect you to be a real man. the rest is up to you.

Chivo

http://www.gyford.com/phil/writing/2003/01/31/how_many_america.php