RW: Do you want men to push the sexual envelope on a first meet?

[Boethius]

I have always had a great aversion to overweight persons, even as a pre-teenager.  I will go to great lengths to avoid even being in their close proximity; and would never invite such into my home or accept an invitation to go to their home.

Why?  As a child, did a Macy's Santa dump you from his lap, or some such thing?

[SANDRO43]

So you either have instant attraction or none, ever?

I don't think so, I'd say there are at least 2 types of attraction: one that strikes you at once ('irrational'), and the other that builds up over a longer time ('rational') - more inclusive of 'social' aspects like character, manners, values, education, profession, etc. etc.

The first type is more 'animal' and usually more powerful than the second: you probably know of some couples that suddenly and unexpectedly blew up because one member 'lost his/her mind' over and ran off with someone else, the social consensus being "How could he/she do it with that... ?"

The optimal situation is when one feels BOTH types of attraction to the SAME person and is reciprocated , which can explain the myth of 'twin souls'. After all, if it has been touted to exist for centuries, someone somewhere MUST have experienced it .

[LiveFromUkraine]

However, if you scroll back through time and consider whom you found attractive in your life, I bet you'll discover some consistent pattern in your past choices . At least I do, with only a few exceptions.   

That's true, I have always been attracted to females.

[mies]

So you either have instant attraction or none, ever?

For me, personally, - pretty much yes. Instant attraction to a person can develop into something deeper - say friendship, or love, if we are compatible on "social aspects" and there is a mutual interest. On the other hand, all people I felt instant attraction to already had these "social aspect," these details I found out later through conversations and continuous interactions. 

The optimal situation is when one feels BOTH types of attraction to the SAME person and is reciprocated , which can explain the myth of 'twin souls'. After all, if it has been touted to exist for centuries, someone somewhere MUST have experienced it .

It's not a myth, I found mine, or the closest approximation to it 

[Anotherkiwi]

My apologies :-)

"-Mike, what do you think about sex?
- Abraam, do not waste my time with useless questions, I have 16 children and do not have time for theory."


and second one:
"- Darling, our son will be a violinist.
- But he doesn't have an ear/hearing for music!
- What does an ear for music have to do with it? He will play. Other people will listen."

Thank you 

[Anotherkiwi]

Exactly what defines 'overweight' anyway?

My wife thinks she's overweight but in my eyes, she's slim. If anything, she can use to gain a few more pounds.

The women I most attracted to can well be defined as 'overweight' by other people. I think there's sexiness in this. When I say overweight, I'm thinking the likes of Katherine Heigl, Jennifer Aniston, Virginia Madsen, etc...

The "other people" are truly weird    if they consider any of these women to be overweight!

[Anotherkiwi]

That's true, I have always been attracted to females.

 
 
Yup - me too!

[Globetrotter]

For the women I had met in 3 countries....Russia, Belarus, Ukraine, I has a written history with them for a couple of months.  By the time we met in their country or other countries, we were lovers within hours...which set the stage for the week to come.  Preparation is the key.

[gemini]

Two pennies from a Russian woman. We Venusians know that men want sex all the time, especially if they are attracted to a woman.  We EXPECT a man in that situation at least try to get sexual and show his desires. If he didn't, it would look very suspicious. It's up to a woman proceed with intimacy, NOT UP TO A MAN.
The real life example. I met Irina at the embassy in Moscow when was getting my visa, her American husband to be (age 35) was a virgin. He told her that he was waiting for the right woman to have sex with. It was VERY strange and sounded suspicious. She contacted me a year or so later. Guess what, her husband was still a virgin. Turns out he was mentally ill. Irina's marriage had very sad ending for her and her 2 teenage daughters. 

[Daveman]

... It's up to a woman proceed with intimacy, NOT UP TO A MAN.

In the spirit of modern progress and freedom of women everywhere... that rule should definitely be changed! 

[gemini]

In the spirit of modern progress and freedom of women everywhere... that rule should definitely be changed! 

It would decrease the work productivity and completely destroyed our economy hahaha

[Ooooops]

However, if you scroll back through time and consider whom you found attractive in your life, I bet you'll discover some consistent pattern in your past choices .

Just did.   Nope.   I'm an omnivore.   

[Ooooops]

We Venusians know that men want sex all the time, especially if they are attracted to a woman.

So, is it all the time or only when they are around women?   Thanks industry for tight Speedos, they control those involuntary tents in pants! 

[gemini]

One more thought. If you are afraid she may think you are a sex tourist, there is 6 magic words you can use. You have to tell this 6 words after you have sex or at least before you leave Russia. They will make her happy and tell her that you are not a sex tourist but a serious man in search of a life partner.
 This 6 magic words are: WHEN CAN I SEE YOU AGAIN? Then you need a follow up, start planning your next visit or her visit. 

[TomT]

The real life example. I met Irina at the embassy in Moscow when was getting my visa, her American husband to be (age 35) was a virgin. He told her that he was waiting for the right woman to have sex with. It was VERY strange and sounded suspicious. She contacted me a year or so later. Guess what, her husband was still a virgin. Turns out he was mentally ill. Irina's marriage had very sad ending for her and her 2 teenage daughters.

It's not uncommon for men to seek an international relationship as a panacea for their dysfunction and the plan is rarely successful.

[ML]

I met Irina at the embassy in Moscow when was getting my visa, her American husband to be (age 35) was a virgin. He told her that he was waiting for the right woman to have sex with. It was VERY strange and sounded suspicious. She contacted me a year or so later. Guess what, her husband was still a virgin. Turns out he was mentally ill. Irina's marriage had very sad ending for her and her 2 teenage daughters.

I had a lunch with an interpreter in Odesa once.  She was interpreting for the Ukrainians at our business meetings. (I never meet with women who need an interpreter).

She was telling me of some of her experiences with women she was helping who were romancing with English speaking men.

Said that two men she knew of were still virgins in their mid to late 30s when they came to Ukraine looking for a mate.

But, she proudly announced, the Ukrainian women took care of that situation before the men left Ukraine.

[GQBlues]

Two pennies from a Russian woman. We Venusians know that men want sex all the time, especially if they are attracted to a woman.  We EXPECT a man in that situation at least try to get sexual and show his desires. If he didn't, it would look very suspicious. It's up to a woman proceed with intimacy, NOT UP TO A MAN.

The real life example. I met Irina at the embassy in Moscow when was getting my visa, her American husband to be (age 35) was a virgin. He told her that he was waiting for the right woman to have sex with. It was VERY strange and sounded suspicious. She contacted me a year or so later. Guess what, her husband was still a virgin. Turns out he was mentally ill. Irina's marriage had very sad ending for her and her 2 teenage daughters.

Did the husband at least had divine power, or did Irina went to Vegas more than twice during her marriage to the typical MOBer? Assuming of course the two kids were born during their marriage life.

[ML]

The teenagers were from the woman's previous marriage, as she had only been married to  the AM for a  year or so . . . as I read it.

[GQBlues]

Yes ML, my bad. I re-read the post and agree with you.

[Daveman]

I'm glad that was sorted out.  The last thing the tin foil hat brigade needs is a couple of new Immaculate Conceptulettes running around...

[ML]

Old Joke:

Woman is visiting with physician.

He says:  You  can congratulate your husband.

She:  I have no husband.

He:  OK, you can congratulate your boyfriend.

She:   I have no boyfriend.

He goes over to window and raises blinds and looks out.

She:   What are you doing?

He:  The last time this happened, a star appeared in the East;  I don't want to miss anything this time.

[gemini]

I had a lunch with an interpreter in Odesa once.  She was interpreting for the Ukrainians at our business meetings. (I never meet with women who need an interpreter).

She was telling me of some of her experiences with women she was helping who were romancing with English speaking men.

Said that two men she knew of were still virgins in their mid to late 30s when they came to Ukraine looking for a mate.

But, she proudly announced, the Ukrainian women took care of that situation before the men left Ukraine.

I lived most of my life in Russia, but my 3 boys grew up and became the young men in US. There is not so much difference in both countries. Boys generally have their first sex around age 16-19 and by their mid to late 20s they are married or have a serious relationship. If a man never had sex by his mid to late 30s, could be couple reasons


First, he has a serious mental or psychological problem (as with Irina"s husband)


Second, it is very common in Russia with the homosexual men. I know 2 guys in Russia who never dated any women by their late 30s, then both married and had children. Their marriages seems OK but they have "the best family friend" who is always close.   


I've heard about the same in US. One guy never married and  "became gay" at his 50s when his mother died. A woman "became lesbian" after her divorce. I think a social and family pressure sometimes force people to hide their homosexuality, also it is probably much more common in Russia.

[GQBlues]

Brings to mind Cher's son/daughter or whatever the person deems she/he is today...Chaz/Chastity/Chasm. I suppose it's good in a way that for many of these folks, global acceptance of their orientation is widely acceptable these days...


There supposedly was a study done in the UK where they surveyed kids under 18 year old, that if they are able to get a sex change operation, will they? The survey revealed that half of those answered 'yes'. 

Imagine the impact of that on the MOB...

[GQBlues]

The "other people" are truly weird    if they consider any of these women to be overweight!

Well, the basis to a sampled counter to define gals as slim' are the likes of Angelina Jolie, Gwen Paltrow, etc...

[Gator]

Some senior golfing friends and I were discussing the pop culture myth whether Marilyn Monroe was fat.   Incidentally, the discussion started with JFK's assassination.  It was no myth that JFK was boinking her.
 
Although ahead of my time, I do recall her film Some Like it Hot.   Her suicide upset my father who thought she was fabulously sexy.
I found this myth buster. 
 

So what size was Marilyn Monroe actually?  Luckily, many of her dresses, carefully preserved, are still around to measure off of.  Further, one of her dress makers also chimed in with exact measurements he took.  Those measurements were 5 ft. 5.5 inches tall; 35 inch bust; 22 inch waist (approximately 2-3 inches less than the average American woman in the 1950s and 12 inches less than average today); and 35 inch hips, with a bra size of 36D.  Her weight fluctuated a bit through her career, usually rising in times of depression and falling back to her normal thereafter, but her dressmaker listed her as 118 pounds and the Hollywood studios tended to list her between 115-120 lbs.

Did anyone catch that her waist at 22 inches is approximately 2-3 inches less than the average American woman in the 1950s and 12 inches less than average today?   That's a huge increase.
 
Back then I do not recall seeing obese people.  We were a kinder nation then and referred to overweight people as "heavy set" for men and "full figured" for women.      Maybe if we had as much obesity as today,  "lard ass" would have been used more frequently