Calling All Old Posters-- ie Those missing on Forum for some time

[pitbull]

I'm not a moderator, but if I were, I'd be VERY tempted to simply lock this thread until people learn to be civil to one another, because it seems every 3rd or 4th poster insists on berating others.

We are ALL entitled to our opinions, but there is a big difference between.. "YOU STUPID IDIOT YOU ARE WRONG!" and "In my opinion / experience, the results were / are different than what you describe"

Seems simple to me, if you wouldn't say it to your grandmother, don't type it here. It doesn't help anyone and hurts all of us. It's called diplomacy, or rational debate. It's not sugar coating, it's respecting we are all human, and entitled to our own opinions. 

Seem reasonable?.. and I'll remind everyone, there is a nifty IGNORE feature for those that find it difficult to restrain themselves.

Here it comes! I told ya! 

[pitbull]

I'm not sure how old KenC was when he began his relationship with a much younger woman....but based on all I have read through the years...as a man, I probably wouldn't be thinking in terms of a long term relationship myself...I think I would assume the marriage is not going to be permanent...assuming ages of say 55-21 or anything in that range... 

Now if i were to make the assumption that it is not going to be long long term, then, I would take whatever precautions I felt necessary to make certain that i've done all i can to protect myself and kids financially. 

Fathertime![size=78%][/size][size=78%]  [/size]

Exactly!


That's why the young girl in these relationships HAS TO take care of herself and reap the benefits of being married to a grandpa for  while, otherwise she sells her youth for pennies 

[pitbull]

Whatever Ken writes now will never ever suffice certain people here. I on the other hand having lived with a UW/RW for a number of years know all full well exactly where he is coming from with his sentiments. I echo them and have for a long time. Will that stop me from getting back on the horse? Of course not because I now have all this shiat figured out. I have all the answers and those questions that might arise well I have this place for solving those.

Greg,


Are you seriously thinking of getting you one of them russian womin again????? 

[GregfromGa]

Greg,


Are you seriously thinking of getting you one of them russian womin again????? 

I'm an idiot I know but she is just so damned nice. I had a free trip. I needed to use it. It was holiday for her. I have the time. I get to witness a revolution within meters of my apartment. My favorite bar is now non-smoking. The dollar isn't so weak there. Basically I had no choice but to go. I might do a trip report but will probably just message my closest friends here. You know the ones that doesn't draw negatives from everything I write and who actually lend credibility to this endeavor.

[pitbull]

I'm an idiot I know but she is just so damned nice. I had a free trip. I needed to use it. It was holiday for her. I have the time. I get to witness a revolution within meters of my apartment. My favorite bar is now non-smoking. The dollar isn't so weak there. Basically I had no choice but to go. I might do a trip report but will probably just message my closest friends here. You know the ones that doesn't draw negatives from everything I write and who actually lend credibility to this endeavor.

I thought you won't touch one of those RW with a 6-foot pole after your experience! what is that?  Addiction? Why not one of the AW - same language, not "white and black tunnel vision thinking" (you do believe all RW are like that, don't you?), gladly let dads participate in raising kids, WORK - and bring home money.




you are crazy, Greg 

[GregfromGa]

I thought you won't touch one of those RW with a 6-foot pole after your experience! what is that?  Addiction? Why not one of the AW - same language, not "white and black tunnel vision thinking" (you do believe all RW are like that, don't you?), gladly let dads participate in raising kids, WORK - and bring home money.




you are crazy, Greg 

Well she does have an ass that would make a bishop kick in a stained glass window

[fathertime]

Exactly!


That's why the young girl in these relationships HAS TO take care of herself and reap the benefits of being married to a grandpa for  while, otherwise she sells her youth for pennies 

Well Pitbull...I would say most men don't think in those terms you agree with me on...it just after reading all these years, especially lately that I would perhaps show a great deal of caution if I had a marriage with a very large age disparity. 


As KenC said earlier, his life has just as much value as a lady's life.  Although I do tend to agree that the age period 20-35 for a woman is particularly valuable to her, and her future.  From what I've read, KenC did a lot to help forward his former wife's potential while  he was married.  She did not use her time/opportunity that well.  A lot of younger people do that, but it really isn't a catastrophe though...she is probably has a life like a regular person. 


Fathertime!   

[fathertime]

Fathertime,
I was a 45 yo studmuffin when I began communicating with Lena.

Hey KenC, people are talking about a HUGE age disparity...if you were only 45, and your wife was even 18, that would be 27 years MAX...very large, but not nearly as large a gap as it could be. 


Yeah at 45 you were still bright eyed and bushy tailed!  haha I'm 45 currently..not that bad an age to be actually..


Fathertime!   

[Gator]

      Pitbull please answer my basic question of why the woman accepted the marriage proposal.   

There may be a multitude of answers for one woman or a number of different women - desperation, wants to leave the country, thinks he will take good care of her, will not look at other women, the old dude will treat her like a princess, infatuation with his experience and intelligenece, unresolved daddy issues... etc.et.etc. 

Pitbull, you are being unreasonable by ignoring what you know.       

You have been at RWD for almost 10 years.  You read KenC's T/R and you know why Lena said "yes."   Desperation, wanting to leave Russia, etc. were not the reasons.  Her mama and papa were still happily married, she had mama's approval, etc. - so no dysfunctional family issues.

Also, Lena's decision to marry was not made in a compressed time period.  She first came to America on a student visa and lived with KenC before deciding to marry.   Infatuation would have dissipated.

Your remark about her possibly wanting to be a princess suggests Lena is incompetent.   If she were this way, she did better with Ken than with a RM who could have provided the same lifestyle and based on the reputation of such RM would quite possibly have dumped her when she turned 30.

I dunno. You better ask the woman 

Of course, no one knows. 

Nor do you know about other parts of ken's life, yet it does not constrain some of your remarks.  Ken knows far better than the rest of us, so it is unreasonable to suggest he is wrong and you are right. 

[Faux Pas]

Exactly!


That's why the young girl in these relationships HAS TO take care of herself and reap the benefits of being married to a grandpa for  while, otherwise she sells her youth for pennies 

Well Pitbull...I would say most men don't think in those terms you agree with me on...it just after reading all these years, especially lately that I would perhaps show a great deal of caution if I had a marriage with a very large age disparity. 


As KenC said earlier, his life has just as much value as a lady's life. Although I do tend to agree that the age period 20-35 for a woman is particularly valuable to her, and her future.  From what I've read, KenC did a lot to help forward his former wife's potential while  he was married.  She did not use her time/opportunity that well.  A lot of younger people do that, but it really isn't a catastrophe though...she is probably has a life like a regular person. 


Fathertime!

The insinuation or idea that the younger partner in an age gap marriage's years are more valuable than the older partner is one of the most asinine things I have ever encountered on these boards. You lost that debate before it ever started.

pitbull, you are assuming that the woman/girl would/could have made other choices that would have benefited her more monetarily. (That's crazy  ) You couldn't possibly know that nor, could you place a monetary value to it. It is a choice (in this vein) that "she" made and one would have to assume that she knew what was better for her at that point in time than you do.

Sold her youth for pennies because she married an older man? Would you some how feel better about her if she had never married him, stayed in Russia and became the neighborhood street whore and crackhead? Would her youth then be more valuable?

[pitbull]

The insinuation or idea that the younger partner in an age gap marriage's years are more valuable than the older partner is one of the most asinine things I have ever encountered on these boards. You lost that debate before it ever started.

Yes, the young girl's youth years are much more valuable in such a marriage, no matter how the RWD old farts want to pretend otherwise. Period. End of story.

[pitbull]

There may be a multitude of answers for one woman or a number of different women - desperation, wants to leave the country, thinks he will take good care of her, will not look at other women, the old dude will treat her like a princess, infatuation with his experience and intelligenece, unresolved daddy issues... etc.et.etc. 


Pitbull, you are being unreasonable by ignoring what you know.       

You have been at RWD for almost 10 years.  You read KenC's T/R and you know why Lena said "yes."   Desperation, wanting to leave Russia, etc. were not the reasons.  Her mama and papa were still happily married, she had mama's approval, etc. - so no dysfunctional family issues.

Also, Lena's decision to marry was not made in a compressed time period.  She first came to America on a student visa and lived with KenC before deciding to marry.   Infatuation would have dissipated.

Your remark about her possibly wanting to be a princess suggests Lena is incompetent.   If she were this way, she did better with Ken than with a RM who could have provided the same lifestyle and based on the reputation of such RM would quite possibly have dumped her when she turned 30.



Of course, no one knows. 

Nor do you know about other parts of ken's life, yet it does not constrain some of your remarks.  Ken knows far better than the rest of us, so it is unreasonable to suggest he is wrong and you are right.

None of what you wrote rules out any reasons I've named.


Anyway, I don't care why she did it, we are talking about the way she used her time in that marriage and the outcome for both parties. They pitiful outcome for Lena is described in this very thread by KenC himself. It's even more pitiful because I believe Lena was the most beautiful of the MOB wives I've seen pictures of on these forums through   the years. What a waste of youth and stunning beauty.


And yes, I've been following the story for years and remember some details and issues most newbies have no idea about. Therefore I am certain in my evaluation.

[Faux Pas]

Yes, the young girl's youth years are much more valuable in such a marriage, no matter how the RWD old farts want to pretend otherwise. Period. End of story.

Well if that is the case, certainly you can explain how?

[GregfromGa]

None of what you wrote rules out any reasons I've named.


Anyway, I don't care why she did it, we are talking about the way she used her time in that marriage and the outcome for both parties. They pitiful outcome for Lena is described in this very thread by KenC himself. It's even more pitiful because I believe Lena was the most beautiful of the MOB wives I've seen pictures of on these forums through   the years. What a waste of youth and stunning beauty.


And yes, I've been following the story for years and remember some details and issues most newbies have no idea about. Therefore I am certain in my evaluation.

With that being said Pitbull, I'm quite sure that there isn't the slightest thought that you might be a little wrong since you were not living under their roof correct? People that meet my ex a couple of times or briefly will say she is just the sweetest thing. People that have grown to know her and understand her over the years see another side. A side I never saw coming. I'd like to thin k I'm a pretty outgoing guy with a sense of humor. I know no strangers. My ex had a good sense of humor with a great dry sharp wit about her. She changed. Her very one sided opinions on people here and life here and the way our kids were to be raised absolutely destroyed everything. Her patterns continue. Her unwillingness to try and adapt socially here and continue sucking at the teet of her mother will yet again cause problems with her marriage #2. My ex was pretty hot and still is. Her attitude changes all that in a hurry. I'm just saying that unless you live with a RW then you really really cant form a plausible opinion on said matter. Pitbull you might be a sweetheart but there is nothing you can write here today that will make you any more credible on this. You are so far out of your league in even weighing in that it is laughable. Do the noble thing dear and just walk away.

[Gator]

Pitbull,  I enjoy reading your perspective, yet some of your comments are way off the mark.

What a waste of youth and stunning beauty.

I missed the news that Lena had died.   When did that happen?

Now you sound like a RM.  You know, the RM that say women are too old once they turn 30.   

What does Lena want in her life?   We do not know.  Thus, you can not state that she wasted her youth.  You assert she has only because you believe she should be like you. 


Lena divorced at what age, 31, 32?  Without seeing a photo I am 99% certain that in her 30s she is still a gorgeous woman who will have no trouble getting dates with men her age.    She is not dead.

The mother of my sons was 31 when we married.  She entered our marriage with no assets.  Pitbull, you would probably say that she wasted her youth and beauty.    Class valedictorian with just a teacher's degree.  Dated pro athletes, older executives, Supreme Court lawyers, etc. but never married (her choice). 

My assets were minimal.  All we had were love, our friendship and our dreams, one dream being children.

We stayed married for 25 years.  Two sons, and she enthusiastically was a stay at home mom.  She had an active social life with many interests including travel.  And enough money that she would never have to work, could get periodic nips and tucks, etc. 



Pitbull, all we can say about Lena is that time is getting shorter if she would like to be a mother.  However, maybe she does not want to be a mother.   Lena could be very contented today.  And I am sure she does not socialize with people who say she has wasted her youth and beauty.

[Gator]

And Whose marriage was that? Can the lucky guy and gal stand up please because I don't see anyone in the quoted posted matching that description. Lol

Speculation, unless you know something not posted at RWD, other than mindless gossip from people whose TV is broken and can not watch their favorite soap box drama.

[pitbull]

With that being said Pitbull, I'm quite sure that there isn't the slightest thought that you might be a little wrong since you were not living under their roof correct? People that meet my ex a couple of times or briefly will say she is just the sweetest thing. People that have grown to know her and understand her over the years see another side. A side I never saw coming. I'd like to thin k I'm a pretty outgoing guy with a sense of humor. I know no strangers. My ex had a good sense of humor with a great dry sharp wit about her. She changed. Her very one sided opinions on people here and life here and the way our kids were to be raised absolutely destroyed everything. Her patterns continue. Her unwillingness to try and adapt socially here and continue sucking at the teet of her mother will yet again cause problems with her marriage #2. My ex was pretty hot and still is. Her attitude changes all that in a hurry. I'm just saying that unless you live with a RW then you really really cant form a plausible opinion on said matter. Pitbull you might be a sweetheart but there is nothing you can write here today that will make you any more credible on this. You are so far out of your league in even weighing in that it is laughable. Do the noble thing dear and just walk away.

 You are right, I've expressed my opinion on the matter and I think most RW (except those currently in huge age gap relationships) will agree with me. I am 100% sure my assessment is correct.


Good luck with the new piece of hot Russian arse 

[vwrw]

   What does Lena want in her life?   We do not know.  Thus, you can not state that she wasted her youth.  You assert she has only because you believe she should be like you. 

+1.


She envies Lena's beauty, imagining how much she (pitbull) could have achieved if she was given Lena's look, but Lena chose a different way  which is described as stupid and led pitbull to believe that Lena is a loser.

[GregfromGa]

 You are right, I've expressed my opinion on the matter and I think most RW (except those currently in huge age gap relationships) will agree with me. I am 100% sure my assessment is correct.


Good luck with the new piece of hot Russian arse 

Thanks Pitbull. She is hotter than the police bus I saw burning near Dynamo Stadium on a video I saw yesterday. Since we're all friends here, what say we take a look at that little arse of yours. It might lend more credibility to you posts but I cant speak for every male here but I too am 100% sure in my assessment that we would all like to see how you shape up.

[pitbull]

+1.


She envies Lena's beauty, imagining how much she (pitbull) could have achieved if she was given Lena's look, but Lena chose a different way  which is described as stupid and led pitbull to believe that Lena is a loser.

I guess I also envy those young RW who go to bed with old saggy grandpas every night. Though for frigid ones that might be an option of course 

[pokerintherear]

Oh no, Greg

As good as friends you think are here, you will see they are not. Many thin skinned people in this Russian dating game.

[vwrw]

Pitbull, there are studies showing that a person's beauty helps him/her to get a certain level of success and then it becomes a barrier to success. You see many people  have a preconceived notion that very beautiful people are stupid. In the light of this notion, they often undervalue the outputs coming from beautiful people. So having Lane's look might complicate your path to huge "success". Had you have her look, you husband might be scared to marry you, preferring someone from his league, and your boss might not give you a chance, assuming that you are likely stupid.

[pitbull]

Thanks Pitbull. She is hotter than the police bus I saw burning near Dynamo Stadium on a video I saw yesterday. Since we're all friends here, what say we take a look at that little arse of yours. It might lend more credibility to you posts but I cant speak for every male here but I too am 100% sure in my assessment that we would all like to see how you shape up.
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Well if your experience hasn't taught you anything and all you still care about in a woman is her arse - don't be surprised if you get same s.hit as an outcome 

[vwrw]

I guess I also envy those young RW who go to bed with old saggy grandpas every night.

No I am rather sure you don't ....which proves that some of your guess may be wrong.

[KenC]

I have become uncomfortable with this thread and will request the MOD to close it.  I do not need to justify Lena's or my actions in the past.  I especially uncomfortable with the attempts to disparage her past, present and future.  She was a good woman then and now I am sure.  Her "success" or "failure" is a matter of opinion which is only gaged by her current happiness.  I wish her only the best.