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who hate Russian people and Russian language.

That is simply untrue.
that is the most thruthful truth in the world. Stop being an ostrich.

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 My point of view is to end any bloodshed.  Plain and simple.


  But I don't support the heavy boot of a Russian led take over either.    They are the extremists.
Yes, please, stop the bloodshed in Crimea and releave us from the heavy boot of Russia))))))))) :D :D :D :D I already have hicups reading you)

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In fact there is info in Ukrainian sources about planes with armed people from american private organization this night. Not sure if it can be believed, but still.

I could imagine there are a lot of commercial interests getting involved, including western private security firms either under private or government contract.  One would have to find out who is paying them to determine possible intent.  Best case scenario is oligarchs stepping up their personal security. Worst case outside government involvement via commercial third-parties.

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I could imagine there are a lot of commercial interests getting involved, including western private security firms either under private or government contract.  One would have to find out who is paying them to determine possible intent.  Best case scenario is oligarchs stepping up their personal security. Worst case outside government involvement via commercial third-parties.
Media gives the worst case.

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« Last Edit: March 03, 2014, 04:20:54 AM by JayH »
SLAVA UKRAYINI  ! HEROYAM SLAVA!!!!
Слава Украине! Слава героям слава!Слава Україні! Слава героям!
 translated as: Glory to Ukraine! Glory to the heroes!!!  is a Ukrainian greeting slogan being used now all over Ukraine to signify support for a free independent Ukraine

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Thought I would help you out seeing you are looking to promote yourself !!  :)
Oh, thank you)I have no problems with this)


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Poor old Obama looks like all will go tits up for the "Empire' in Ukraine. Lets see how long it takes for the Russians to get the best side of things in this situation. And how long it takes the "Empire" to realise they are perfectly entitled to ensure the safety of their people in Ukraine. "Peacefully" as has been the situation.


http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/03/02/352855/coup-in-ukraine-obamas-dumbest-plan/

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Poor old Obama
Really poor are the Ukraine Navy militarymen now. I really feel sorry for these people and their families, they have very difficult times now. The choice being made by them is extremely difficult and in both cases is losing(

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I really have to wonder what has happened to Dave's new and improved rule enforcement when we have at least one known arsehole throwing personal insults at women.  :rolleyes:  I didn't think that would have been allowed even in the "bad" old days.

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This picture show perfectly well what exactly happened, why it happened and who is guilty for the state of things like this today. It shows in persentage the use of russian language on the territory of our country. so, what did Nazis the second day the came to power? They prohibited the law of previous constitution concerning russian language(the whole text of the law and its essence can be found online). So what should all these people from these territories do?and what they in Kiev expected the reaction to be? Yulia Timoshenko after several hours of her stepping out of the prison was shouting in Kiev that Ukraine will be only for Ukrinian people, and all others will be punished. What all these "people" were expecting??????????


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« Last Edit: March 03, 2014, 06:35:17 AM by calmissile »

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Yes, I;m a very manly man)))



Wow, just me, you are very beautiful!!! Expect an avalanche of PMs ;)
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I really have to wonder what has happened to Dave's new and improved rule enforcement when we have at least one known arsehole throwing personal insults at women.  :rolleyes:  I didn't think that would have been allowed even in the "bad" old days.


Yeah, I've browsed this topic and have been amazed by this.  :rules:
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Seems to me, Die_cast, you are the one calling people Nazis.  I was just using a point of reference.  And, yes, that is extremist.
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It seems to me that you are not able to have a civilized discussion, and instead of polite expression your POV about situation in Ukraine, you are trying to "insult" people you do not agree with.
Actually, I doubt you read my reply, because you keep saying same things, so I have to repeat:
I call some people Nazi because they are Nazi. But that's obvious that we are talking about different people.
Once again, please, do some research about Ukrainian Nazi, so you at least could understand what you are having an argument about. Do your homework.
I don't support any extremism. If you for some reason think that I support any bloodshed, you didn't get my POV. Plain and simple: you didn't get it. I didn't accuse anybody, I expressed my thoughts.
You are sure that no one was threatening Crimea. Ok, that's your POV. You have a right to have it, I have a right to have mine. Don't you find absolutely amazing that the only perspective that you are willing to consider is your own?  ;)
- А если я скажу какую-нибудь глупость?
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LOL,   you remind me of Tokyo Rose in WWII.  Sorry, but not all men think first with their penis.  Your latest photo does not even qualify as a penis enrichment.  LOL

If your not a man, then your fake boobs will only attract a small following of men.  Since you seem to be brain dead to the real world around you (even with apparent internet access) I suggest that there is no hope for you to learn anything about the world you live in!




Real classy man.  I can see why you had to date a woman that can't speak the same language.  I think some guys lay it on thick because they couldn't get the goods. 


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It is proof that propaganda works really well, regardless of the country of origin.  The difference between a Western Nation and Russia, is that the news media is not controlled by a state government.  We get to see all the opposing sides of an issue (including Russia) and are able to decide for ourselves what is credible and what is propaganda.  Naturally we have our own biases based on our life experiences of viewing the world politics over many years.  It creates a depository of wisdom which the younger generations seem to not respect.



I always get a kick when people think their media is telling the truth.  Shows why Americans have a sort of ignorance or shall I say stupidity reputation around the world.


The media here shows opposing sides... now that is funny stuff!


« Last Edit: March 03, 2014, 06:47:18 AM by LiveFromUkraine »

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Jay, with all due respect, I just can't read your posts. Can you make them more readable, please? (if you want me to read them, of course)  :)
- А если я скажу какую-нибудь глупость?
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LOL,   you remind me of Tokyo Rose in WWII.  Sorry, but not all men think first with their penis.  Your latest photo does not even qualify as a penis enrichment.  LOL

If your not a man, then your fake boobs will only attract a small following of men.  Since you seem to be brain dead to the real world around you (even with apparent internet access) I suggest that there is no hope for you to learn anything about the world you live in!

It is proof that propaganda works really well, regardless of the country of origin.  The difference between a Western Nation and Russia, is that the news media is not controlled by a state government.  We get to see all the opposing sides of an issue (including Russia) and are able to decide for ourselves what is credible and what is propaganda.  Naturally we have our own biases based on our life experiences of viewing the world politics over many years.  It creates a depository of wisdom which the younger generations seem to not respect.

Nevertheless, the patterns of behavior of major countries are worthy of study and analytical thinking.  It took the US, Brittan, Russia, and our other allies to overcome the aspirations of the Germans to rule the world in WWII.  Why is it that this many years later, that Russia is determined to replace Germany as the new Ruler of the World?  Why cannot Russia be content with confining itself within it's borders to make a much better place for it's citizens to peacefully live in prosperity?  Why must Russia pick on Ukraine to attempt to conquer?

Again to some critical thinking..... if Putin and Russia is interested in providing a better life for its people, why doesn't Russia stay at home and improve the standard of living for it's own people before going out on the worlds stage to attempt to conquer other territories?  Doesn't Russia have enough natural resources to support it's own population?  I think it does!  Then why is it necessary to invade a neighboring country that has no aspirations of attacking Russia?

Back to critical and logical thinking..... it is only because the current regime in Russia has an agenda to expand it's power and influence over more of Europe.  Perhaps Russia is a failure in advancing its own agenda to improve the lives of the Russian people?  With all the natural resources, industry, and all the other built in advantages, perhaps the Russian style of repressive government over the people might have something to do with the failure to meet their objectives.

The failure of Russia to provide a decent standard of living for it's citizens is no ones fault but the leadership of Russia.  They cannot blame the west or anyone else for their failures!  Russia had all the tools to stay at home and develop a robust economy on their own.  Of course, if Russian officials did similar to Yanukovch, then much of the state treasury was siphoned off to the president and his cronies; then  it is understandable why the Russian people did not benefit from the post cold war era.

Before closing, let me make it clear about my opinion about US policy and our administration.  I am terribly embarrassed about our current president.  I never thought we in America could have a dunce more incompetent than Jimmy Carter.  I was proved wrong.  Our liberals and independents voted nearly 50/50 to elect our first black president.  Many wanted to prove a point the we were not racist and voted in our hearts to reflect that we are all inclusive to race.  Unfortunately, we also voted for a president that refused to offer his birth certificate to prove that he was lawfully qualified to run for office of president.  He spent $millions to hide his birth certificate and college transcripts so that the American public could not  adequately evaluate his qualifications for president.  I understand all that and admit we made a terrible mistake.  Nevertheless, it is democracy.  We elected him and he is what we have for the time being.  We can accept the criticism for what have for a president and his administration and must accept or tolerate the cards we were dealt with.  It does not mean that the American people support his agenda or are pleased with his foreign policy.

What is does mean is that until he is replaced, we as Americans are governed by a president that is often at odds with the pulse of the American people.  Our leaders in the past have made many foreign policy mistakes.  Often these policies are in favor of special business interests (corporate) and have no reflection on what the electorate views are.  The primary problem with American politics is that those that are elected to office are beholden to the campaign donors that are constantly on their doorsteps offering money for their next reelection.  Until the public demands campaign finance reform it is not going to change.  As a democracy, we are stuck with what we have for the time being.

There is one important difference that you should understand!  We have a free press.  Our country does not control the media completely. We still have independent media networks and our government does not (now) control our access to the internet.  We still have access to the world wide internet and access to news worldwide.  We as Americans still have access to Russian state news media.  Does Russia have independent news media that is not controlled or coerced by the Russian government?  Why not?  Does Russia feel that the citizens are not adequately brainwashed to reject other schools of thought?

I suppose that you are so fully brainwashed with Russian propaganda that you are unable to  apply critical thinking for yourself in any kind of objective manner.  It's unfortunate, because whether you agree or disagree with any particular school of thought, at least you have the opportunity to read and explore different ideas in some kind of objective manner.

It's unfortunate that most of our young in all countries think they know it all, yet have experienced very little of life compared to what is ahead of them. They will have to learn it all over again like their parents and grandparents.  It is no wonder that history repeats itself.

One last little dig.  If it not were for your allies in the Great Patriotic War (WW II), you would be speaking German instead of Russian!  Give it a little thought before you continue to piss on the countries that helped save your ass from the Nazi's.     

Calmissle,

aside from your denigrating attitude and disparaging remarks you do assume quite a lot.

A few points from your post:

Standard of living - over the years I have seen dramatic change in the standard of living in RU. Yes, not quite Suisse, German or Swede, but catching up quickly with the low end EU.  A simple life without so many western frills and thrills can be quite ok.   Note I do not mention the US, but do feel free to show how the standard of living has improved in the US over the same period of time.

Propaganda / media - while one could consider western media free, I think 'more free' might be a better term.  I can choose to watch X channel or Y channel and have two different views.  The choice is left to the viewer.  In general terms I would consider 'free media' to be where a selection of opposing views are available and no restrictions accessing external / international media sources.  Obviously there is a media war going on in UA right now with opposing views and internet is not limited so to each his own IMHO.  There is very little, if any true 'independent' media concerns out there.. after all they all have bills to pay therefore controlled either by corporations, governments and/or advertising moguls.

Who is throwing stones with 'Expansionism' written all over from a glass house?...  Just look at recent history.  Is RU alone in the quest to change geopolitical borders?

Ahh yes.. Obama..  But go back a bit and ask yourself how effective Bush was during the RU Georgia conflict.. History will see no real difference as both presidents have  the same playing field with teeter totter politics on their backs and knowing well how expensive war can be (at least Obama does)... yeah 50 billion offset by future Iraq oil sales.... hahaha

In closing I think you are the one here with a closed mind filled with contempt prior to investigation.  At least justme has the advantage of personal experience and stands on her own without stooping to your level of discourse.




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justme100,

               Bad news for you I'm afraid.

The Ukrainian Navy is alive and well. :)

The new Admiral may have defected,but the rest of the Navy isn't.

BBC news has just shown the Naval fleet standing and singing for Ukraine..they are singing the Ukrainian anthem.They say they are proud to be Ukrainian and they will fight for their country if necessary.

The Simferopol army base also continues to refuse to surrender to the Russians.BBC reporters were filmed asking them if they will leave..the answer was a firm "no they are Ukraine"

Clearly the Russian troops are moved by this,and they are walking up to the closed gates and touching the defiant Ukrainian soldiers through the gates...also shown on BBC news.

The UK foreign secretary is in  Kiev today,meeting the Ukrainian government and filmed laying a wreath at Maidan as a gesture of British solidarity with Ukraine and the Ukrainian patriots who died there.

No military support from the UK being offered yet..but at this stage there is no need for that...the Russian troops are not shooting anyone .



Just saying it like it is.

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Wow, just me, you are very beautiful!!!
Thank you)

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If your not a man, then your fake boobs will only attract a small following of men.
Lol, don't you think that the fact they have chosen to steal exactly my photos proves the contrary? ;)

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Real classy man.  I can see why you had to date a woman that can't speak the same language.  I think some guys lay it on thick because they couldn't get the goods. 
Oh, I regard it as a compliment even if it comes from a man who sees his penis only in mirror now because of his fat belly ;D

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One other thing justme100..i see you are Russian..that explains many things and you are entitled to air your views as a Russian patriot.

Doesn't mean I agree with them though :)
Just saying it like it is.

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justme100,

               Bad news for you I'm afraid.

The Ukrainian Navy is alive and well. :)


No military support from the UK being offered yet..but at this stage there is no need for that...the Russian troops are not shooting anyone .
Yes, you are right. they threw away RF militarymen this morning from the territory of the headquarters.

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One other thing justme100..i see you are Russian..that explains many things and you are entitled to air your views as a Russian patriot.

Doesn't mean I agree with them though :)
What do you mean I;m Russian? I'm a Ukrainian citizen)


 

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