Women with Children - more strongly worded advice

[LiveFromUkraine]

BTW Gator, notice the pattern?

I think most of us have seen the pattern for quite some time.

[Muzh]

Oh sweetheart, you are making me blush. 

[LiveFromUkraine]

Oh sweetheart, you are making me blush. 

Right, because all men are sweethearts.  Misogynist!

[Muzh]

Right, because all men are sweethearts.  Misogynist!

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[dogspot]

I'm not discussing my personal life here anymore, it was a mistake to do so in the first place.  There are a few people on here that can offer good advice, but they are washed out by all the idiots who just want to stir up crap, and the ones who have their minds made up before they even hear a side of a story based on the gender and nationality of the person posting the comments.

I don't blame you. I think that's for the best. But of the good advice that was given, were you able to benefit from any of it and apply it to your current situation?

[Gator]

BTW Gator, notice the pattern?

Of course, I had already noticed and mentioned your kneejerk defense of women, pardon me ...... the "weak" using your explanation (see, I listen). 


So did LiveFromUkraine, who posted a witty funny for us. 


BTW, congratulations on your forthcoming retirement.  What's on your "to do" list other than annoying the rational thinkers here?   

 

[GQBlues]

Yes, there MAY be room for 5 people in a civic, but not when there are 2 full size child car seats in the back.  I didn't prod him for anything, he complained to me because he said it was very uncomfortable to not even be able to sit flat in the seat, and to me that doesn't seem safe at all.  I don't think a lap belt is as safe as a shoulder belt either.  What's this about sitting in jail?  If I interfere with her visitations?  She doesn't have visitations, that's what I was saying in the first place.  According to NC law, I decide when and how much she sees him.  She's never had scheduled visits, and so I don't have to let her see him at all.  I've graciously allowed her to see him because I feel it's important for him to have some kind of relationship with his mother, even if she does constantly screw things up.  And I've never called CPS on her, despite having MANY reasons to do so.  For example the youtube vids of her going 90mph in the rain.  I've never wanted to stir up any crap with her, I've always tried to be the better person but she always brings up crap from the past and makes it seem like it has some kind of relevance to the present.

This from a guy who didn't have qualms about taking a woman and her child in a 10-12 hour interstate trek, post a 10 hour international flight - in arguably the worst winter driving condition seen in the eastern highway system in years if not ever, just to save a few bucks. It is revelations like this that cast the hypocrite in you to light. Based on all your previous posts, you aren't exactly the poster boy for common sense when dealing with people's lives who rely in your decision making abilities.

I'm not discussing my personal life here anymore, it was a mistake to do so in the first place.  There are a few people on here that can offer good advice, but they are washed out by all the idiots who just want to stir up crap, and the ones who have their minds made up before they even hear a side of a story based on the gender and nationality of the person posting the comments.

When you decide to subscribe to people's feeble mentality, know this. This perspective largely came from someone (or people) who, at the very twilight of his living years, measures a nice pair of shoes to be the worth of a woman's companionship. These are your example of the dirty barrel dippers - career MOBers. Like you, lifelong reliant to the barrel roll.

Case in point - I: One old man who got royally shafted by his last RW wife of 2 years, GC period. Ask him what happened and he'd likely not tell you, instead he'll try and convince you, and anyone stupid enough to believe him, he's got life all figured out despite already being a multiple loser even prior to getting shafted through the MOB. But what does he do immediately after? He goes back to the dirty barrel and roll that dice again with a woman who paid more attention to a pair of shoes than him. You keep subscribing to his idealogue, or the likes of him, you'll likely to be snorting soap up your nose soon, too.

You're in a total phocked up mentality and stage in your life. Your life is akin to a Brady Bunch family life where Mr. Brady is doing Alice and Greg humping Marsha & Jan. That seem to describe your All-American family lifestyle. You're a portable short of a trailer park trash. You were in trouble with the law before, a pot head with some seriously dark-side addiction to gore. Your sister strip for drugs, money and one night stands. All of these even before you decided to import SouthPaw to be your wife. So it isn't surprising that you would marry her and allow her to strip to help supplement the family income.

So none of these are lost in the way you're shed in this spotlight. It isn't about people taking sides of women in these affairs. It is simply about spotting losers like you. I know that is difficult for anyone to understand much less admit, but hey, birds of feathers.

Your problem today isn't your ex-wife. Never was. She may well have been the worst evil woman to ever walked the face of this earth, but you're the one who married her. Your problem isn't even that newly imported ready-made family who obviously is restarting your sorry life's drama all over again. Your problem had always been you. Until you recognize that, you'll find yourself in that same square hole you've dug yourself into all your miserable life. In some sinister coincidence, your MOB story/experience seem to have the same flavor like that particular MOBer.

Change. Both of you. Your son will greatly appreciate and benefit from it. If not, he'll be in his 30s and still wandering and waffling through life without a freaking idea what to do with himself.

FWIW: The Case in point - II was the best part! Too bad some of you will miss it.

Mod Edit: If you feel attacking another members family,is the best part.
Your post was edited for that reason ,and since you couldn't just drop it at that ,and had to edit your post to comment on moderation,it will be made more clear. Drop it.


 
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[Southpaw1982]

This from a guy who didn't have qualms about taking a woman and her child in a 10-12 hour interstate trek, post a 10 hour international flight - in arguably the worst winter driving condition seen in the eastern highway system in years if not ever, just to save a few bucks. It is revelations like this that cast the hypocrite in you to light. Based on all your previous posts, you aren't exactly the poster boy for common sense when dealing with people's lives who rely in your decision making abilities.


When you decide to subscribe to people's feeble mentality, know this. This perspective largely came from someone (or people) who, at the very twilight of his living years, measures a nice pair of shoes to be the worth of a woman's companionship. These are your example of the dirty barrel dippers - career MOBers. Like you, lifelong reliant to the barrel roll.

Case in point - I: One old man who got royally shafted by his last RW wife of 2 years, GC period. Ask him what happened and he'd likely not tell you, instead he'll try and convince you, and anyone stupid enough to believe him, he's got life all figured out despite already being a multiple loser even prior to getting shafted through the MOB. But what does he do immediately after? He goes back to the dirty barrel and roll that dice again with a woman who paid more attention to a pair of shoes than him. You keep subscribing to his idealogue, or the likes of him, you'll likely to be snorting soap up your nose soon, too.

You're in a total phocked up mentality and stage in your life. Your life is akin to a Brady Bunch family life where Mr. Brady is doing Alice and Greg humping Marsha & Jan. That seem to describe your All-American family lifestyle. You're a portable short of a trailer park trash. You were in trouble with the law before, a pot head with some seriously dark-side addiction to gore. Your sister strip for drugs, money and one night stands. All of these even before you decided to import SouthPaw to be your wife. So it isn't surprising that you would marry her and allow her to strip to help supplement the family income.

So none of these are lost in the way you're shed in this spotlight. It isn't about people taking sides of women in these affairs. It is simply about spotting losers like you. I know that is difficult for anyone to understand much less admit, but hey, birds of feathers.

Your problem today isn't your ex-wife. Never was. She may well have been the worst evil woman to ever walked the face of this earth, but you're the one who married her. Your problem isn't even that newly imported ready-made family who obviously is restarting your sorry life's drama all over again. Your problem had always been you. Until you recognize that, you'll find yourself in that same square hole you've dug yourself into all your miserable life. In some sinister coincidence, your MOB story/experience seem to have the same flavor like that particular MOBer.

Change. Both of you. Your son will greatly appreciate and benefit from it. If not, he'll be in his 30s and still wandering and waffling through life without a freaking idea what to do with himself.

FWIW: The Case in point - II was the best part! Too bad some of you will miss it.

 

[Muzh]

Of course, I had already noticed and mentioned your kneejerk defense of women, pardon me ...... the "weak" using your explanation (see, I listen). 


So did LiveFromUkraine, who posted a witty funny for us. 


BTW, congratulations on your forthcoming retirement.  What's on your "to do" list other than annoying the rational thinkers here? 

Oh you are too funny. I really didn't expect you to see "anything" but such is life.
 
Actually, you'll be estatic to hear that you'll see me a lot less when I retire. I'm building a house.

[Muzh]

Change. Both of you. Your son will greatly appreciate and benefit from it. If not, he'll be in his 30s and still wandering and waffling through life without a freaking idea what to do with himself.

FWIW: The Case in point - II was the best part! Too bad some of you will miss it.

I know very well your message transcended Mr. Intellectual so I will agree with your italics.

[Gator]

Oh you are too funny. I really didn't expect you to see "anything" but such is life.

Oh, you believe I missed your pattern.    Let me try again. 

-   You do not post at home because you are very busy doing many things in the realm of enjoying life, especially happy family life.  Check.  I would too except my wife is busy half the time studying English and electricity (and I still am recovering from TKR). 

-  You arrive at your place of employment, say hello to the troops, discuss who will get your window office, pour another cup of coffee, open your computer, and see what's happening.  Today there are no episodes of toxic exposures.  There is no new paperwork from HR.  So you turn to RWD thinking you still have work to do,  particularly educating BillyB, jmana, and Gator.   Knowing Gator is up there in reptilian years, you even drop clues for him.  It saddens you that in your mind Gator misses your clues.  Maybe Gator has a different opinion and meanwhile is doing his morning basking, allowing the sun to elevate his blood temperature, and does not want to expend energy in a hopeless argument.   So Gator just grunts at you this morning, meanwhile feeling his blood temperature rise so he has the physical capability to chase a white ball, and perhaps find a Florida softshell turtle for lunch.   


 

Actually, you'll be estatic to hear that you'll see me a lot less when I retire. I'm building a house.

Fantastic!  I hope it goes well.  Let me guess, a retirement home, perhaps in the Adirondacks on a lake.   Because you need to have it roughed in by winter, you will not have time for educating the loathsome men of RWD.  Where ever you are building, I hope it progresses well for you.  Do you have help, as setting trusses can be tricky? 

Sincerely, I will miss you.  Meanwhile we still have a few weeks to irritate each other. 

[Muzh]

Oh, you believe I missed your pattern.    Let me try again. 

-   You do not post at home because you are very busy doing many things in the realm of enjoying life, especially happy family life.  Check.  I would too except my wife is busy half the time studying English and electricity (and I still am recovering from TKR). 

-  You arrive at your place of employment, say hello to the troops, discuss who will get your window office, pour another cup of coffee, open your computer, and see what's happening.  Today there are no episodes of toxic exposures.  There is no new paperwork from HR.  So you turn to RWD thinking you still have work to do,  particularly educating BillyB, jmana, and Gator.   Knowing Gator is up there in reptilian years, you even drop clues for him.  It saddens you that in your mind Gator misses your clues.  Maybe Gator has a different opinion and meanwhile is doing his morning basking, allowing the sun to elevate his blood temperature, and does not want to expend energy in a hopeless argument.   So Gator just grunts at you this morning, meanwhile feeling his blood temperature rise so he has the physical capability to chase a white ball, and perhaps find a Florida softshell turtle for lunch.   


 
Fantastic!  I hope it goes well.  Let me guess, a retirement home, perhaps in the Adirondacks on a lake.   Because you need to have it roughed in by winter, you will not have time for educating the loathsome men of RWD.  Where ever you are building, I hope it progresses well for you.  Do you have help, as setting trusses can be tricky? 

Sincerely, I will miss you.  Meanwhile we still have a few weeks to irritate each other.

LMAO
 
You are still funny.
 
And blind.
 
Before I answered any posts, I was dealing with DOT since they have some clients who want a blanket statement from us on the use of flocculants at their site. I spent enought time to explain to the DOT field engineers why we couldn't do that but offered a case-by-case basis for the review of the use of this material.
 
Normally, this would be a $75,000 job. I believe you are the consultant who would squeeze the money out of this contractor, right? Is that figure acceptable? Remember this is the Vampire State.
 
In just half an hour. How long would it take you to do the same so you could charge them that much?
 
Now, where's my coffee mug?
 
Continue.

[Gator]

Before I answered any posts, I was dealing with DOT since they have some clients who want a blanket statement from us on the use of flocculants at their site. I spent enought time to explain to the DOT field engineers why we couldn't do that but offered a case-by-case basis for the review of the use of this material.
 
Normally, this would be a $75,000 job. I believe you are the consultant who would squeeze the money out of this contractor, right? Is that figure acceptable? Remember this is the Vampire State.
 
In just half an hour. How long would it take you to do the same so you could charge them that much?

I will dust off my risk assessment hat.


A case-by-case review with site specific field data would cost far more than $75,000 in total, assuming there are many cases.  Thus, it seems reasonable to determine if a blanket statement can be issued to preclude analysis for numerous cases.

If I had the project, I would float a worst case scenario and determine if its risk exceeded guidelines.   A worst case analysis is something done quickly, say a few hours assuming it must be in a short report that would pass  the lawyers' inspection.   If the worst case is acceptable risk, blanket approval.  I am not a state official who would feel responsible if the unforeseen happened, something more remote than the worst case.   

Speaking of that, I still wake up every now and then regretting work done under my direction 30 years ago when the unforeseen  actually happened.  We did a spill prevention project for a complex, large testing facility.   Two years later, a spill occurred.  The engineer who did the analysis at the site of the spill had missed something, and our QC did not pick it up at the time.  Shit happens and that is why we must do a thorough analysis with peer review, even though it may seem like overkill. 

Did I say overkill!  If the average person has a 25% lifetime risk of getting cancer, why does a person need protection from something that increases the risk from 25% to 25.0001%?   Got an answer?    I am not talking about something that results in exposure of millions of people, as that changes everything.   

[Gator]

When you decide to subscribe to people's feeble mentality, know this. This perspective largely came from someone (or people) who, at the very twilight of his living years, measures a nice pair of shoes to be the worth of a woman's companionship. These are your example of the dirty barrel dippers - career MOBers. Like you, lifelong reliant to the barrel roll.

Case in point - I: One old man who got royally shafted by his last RW wife of 2 years, GC period. Ask him what happened and he'd likely not tell you, instead he'll try and convince you, and anyone stupid enough to believe him, he's got life all figured out despite already being a multiple loser even prior to getting shafted through the MOB. But what does he do immediately after? He goes back to the dirty barrel and roll that dice again with a woman who paid more attention to a pair of shoes than him.

I was busy yesterday (went to a hockey game), and missed this. 


GQ, you and I both know this is about me even though you do not use my name.   Why so shy?  With the new RWD style, I try to ignore how you tend to make stuff up and twist the facts.  I also try to ignore your crass insults of me; after all, you just never learned how to act properly and don't care.   You can't help it. 


We have a different situation when you insult my wonderful wife.  I feel compelled to call you for it.    Specifically, you say I went to the "dirty barrel" to find my wife. 

Instead of the "dirty barrel" (a term that seems befitting of you),   I consider her the epitome of refined aspects of Russian life, i. e., Russia's finest traditions.    Anyone respecting Russian culture and its women as something special if not dear will understand.  I realize this is not for you as you are hopeless.  No, it is for anyone who reads your lies and thinks "dirty barrel."   And most of all, it is for my wife's honor. 

Some highlights of my wife's life:

-  At age 12, she was selected by the Russian equivalent of the "National Academy of Ballet" for fulltime study at its highest school.    This would require her to live away from home for three years.  Her loving parents said "nyet"   (broke her heart as she is really good at making ballet movements).

-  She turned to sport.  She excelled at gymnastics and was asked to train for the Olympic team, but turned it down to work.  Unlike the typically short height of most gymnasts, she is tall and this made her an attraction.  So starting at the age of 17 she worked for a couple of years in a circus as a gymnast.  Her value during those days of Soviet controlled economy?  She was paid 3x what a starting engineer received.  That says something about how Soviet Russia was a patron of the arts and sport. 

-  At age 18, she was asked to study acting for films.  She said "nyet spasibo"  because she missed home, so she returned to her provincial city.

-  At home she caught the eye of a woman who trained women for modeling.  Quickly she was modeling in Moscow and St. Petersburg.  Then came Europe.  13 years of fashion modeling on a runway.  Coddled with limos, finest hotels, etc. (when I first met her in Moscow she did not know how to enter the Metro gates).   She made TV news for returning to modeling two weeks after giving birth to her daughter. 

-  Time and a second child caught up with her modeling; her last assignment, posing in front of kitchen cabinets. 

Because it went over your head  before,  I did not explain her winning the Pushkin recitation contest . 


There is more.  Suffice it to say she is not from the "dirty barrel" with the likes of you.  Look up crème de la crème.   

Andrewfi was correct about there being a "dirty barrel."  I recall him applying the term to agencies and all that surrounded them to include the women and the men who pursued them.  When encountering the dirty barrel, I choose to look away and avoid it.  You OTOH seem fascinated by it. 


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While I am correcting you, please look at this sentence you wrote:  "You keep subscribing to his idealogue, or the likes of him, you'll likely to be snorting soap up your nose soon, too."

First, your sentence structure is incorrect for "idealogue."   Idealogue is a person, so to say "his ideologue person" makes no sense.  Perhaps you meant idealogy, except idealogy is not a word.   I assume you meant ideology and just did not know the difference. 

Second, is "snorting soap up your nose" an idiom.  If so, what is the meaning?

[GQBlues]

----GQ-----

LOL. Talk to someone who gives a rat's arse. 

[jone]

I kinda thought we were leaving wives and significant others out of the posts we made.  Even alluding to their character (or lack thereof).

[Muzh]

I will dust off my risk assessment hat.


A case-by-case review with site specific field data would cost far more than $75,000 in total, assuming there are many cases.  Thus, it seems reasonable to determine if a blanket statement can be issued to preclude analysis for numerous cases.

If I had the project, I would float a worst case scenario and determine if its risk exceeded guidelines.   A worst case analysis is something done quickly, say a few hours assuming it must be in a short report that would pass  the lawyers' inspection.   If the worst case is acceptable risk, blanket approval.  I am not a state official who would feel responsible if the unforeseen happened, something more remote than the worst case. 
 

 
I'd suggest first you look at 15 NYCRR so you can determine that you CANNOT do a "blanket statement" on flocculants. I hope you know what they are so you can understand why.

Speaking of that, I still wake up every now and then regretting work done under my direction 30 years ago when the unforeseen  actually happened.  We did a spill prevention project for a complex, large testing facility.   Two years later, a spill occurred.  The engineer who did the analysis at the site of the spill had missed something, and our QC did not pick it up at the time.  Shit happens and that is why we must do a thorough analysis with peer review, even though it may seem like overkill. 

You just stated WHY there are regulatory agencies. Shit happens.
 

Did I say overkill!  If the average person has a 25% lifetime risk of getting cancer, why does a person need protection from something that increases the risk from 25% to 25.0001%?   Got an answer?    I am not talking about something that results in exposure of millions of people, as that changes everything.

Riiiiiiight.
 
First, apples. The feds through OSHA will determine what is the appropriate protection for an employee. This will result in the appropriate protection of a company from lawsuits. I don't think I have to explain that further.
 
Oranges. Chemicals that can elicit a health insult are highly regulated and the probability of affecting the population at large is taken into consideration. The carcinogens and potential carcinogens are regulated on the exposure of such chemical to have a risk of one in a million. I remember my director (long gone) once telling me that Gov Cuomo the 1st was not happy with our calculations for methylene chloride and wanted more permissive levels. Big donors those guys in Rochesster. Well, not anymore. Anyway, I told my director that the paper holds anything you write on it so I gave him a choice of risks from one in a million to one in ten thousand and the Gov could choose from that. Now, he would have to explain to the citizens in Rochester that increasing the risk to the company's acceptable levels was not going to STOP the paint from peeling from the houses a few miles away from the facility. And, BTW, to tell them that virtually everyone in the city would be exposed to er..., "adverse" levels. Of course, we were heading to a public hearing. Them pesky citizens wanted some answers.
 
You know how this works.
 

[GQBlues]

I kinda thought we were leaving wives and significant others out of the posts we made.  Even alluding to their character (or lack thereof).

...and you thought right. But you are much tooooo slooooow on the uptake unless you're accusing me I actually *named* a specific handle/person in my post. In absence of that, you're simply blowing hot air which you seem to be REALLY good at.

Keep trying...maybe someday you can actually make a valid point, or even *any* point.

The irony in this particular thread is, which have nothing to do with the pouting between SP and jmana, *I* was being accused of lip service by the lot of them for an alleged *accusation* that *I* labeled jmana as a human trafficker despite the fact the string of threads, which I even attempted to spell out - but was inadvertently removed - proves there never was an accusation of such from my part towards jmana.

*This only gets tricky for the obvious biased observer and those slow of comprehension in what is written and what they read*.

 

BTW SouthPaw, thanks for the ovation and recognition. Yes indeedy, that was a brilliant post, if I may say so myself, in more ways than one. A masterpiece in fact.
 

[jone]

Your self appreciation, GQ, always present, is noted by all.  No one needs to be quick on the uptake to realize that you are your biggest fan.   

[Gator]

...you are much tooooo slooooow on the uptake unless you're accusing me I actually *named* a specific handle/person in my post.....*I* was being accused of lip service by the lot of them for an alleged *accusation* that *I* labeled jmana as a human trafficker despite the fact there never was an accusation of such from my part towards jmana.

So nonattribution is your defense for these two cases.  These are your new clothes?  Just like the emperor in the famous fairy tale, those who can not see the clothes must be "slow on the uptake, biased, or slow of comprehension."   Yet a child can see that you are not wearing anything at all.  It is the same GQ. 

BTW SouthPaw, thanks for the ovation and recognition. Yes indeedy, that was a brilliant post, if I may say so myself, in more ways than one. A masterpiece in fact.

Look at you.  Extreme case of self-aggrandizing. 

I will make this simple.  There is nothing to learn from you other than how not to act.

[BillyB]

I kinda thought we were leaving wives and significant others out of the posts we made.  Even alluding to their character (or lack thereof).

Yes, those are the rules for those who are not gentlemen because gentlemen would never stoop so low to begin with. Some people who want to break the rules think they can be sneaky and talk about others without mentioning their name. What's the purpose? To do a public service by educating others about the dirty barrel violators? More likely it's to bait someone into a fight and then claim the other guy started it.

[treadmilldude]

I just discovered this thread about 20 minutes ago. This might be THE definitive thread to answer the biggest source of confusion and self doubt (and I have a lot of self doubt right now) I have right now about my pursuit of a FSU Woman.... the question of whether I should pursue a woman in Minsk in August who has a child or does not have a child. I have only read the first 3 pages, out of 50 pages, so far. But so far, there has been a plethora of great advice and past experiences shared by a number of very smart men and women. And so far in this thread, the overwhelming consensus seems to me to be DO NOT seek a woman in the FSU who has a child.

I love Children with all of my heart. Goodness knows every night when I go to sleep, I dream about becoming a wonderful, loving Father very soon. But there are so many negatives talked about in this thread, so far, with pursuing a woman in the FSU who does have a child......that I am absolutely scared to death right now at just thinking about winning the heart of a wonderful woman in Belarus who does have a child.

Oh well, only 47 more pages to go.    I wonder if the general consensus will remain to avoid FSU women with children or if possibly the tide of opinion will shift towards pursuing a FSU woman with a child being a workable, viable option? Hmmm, we will see. I am so glad I found this thread 20 minute ago, however. This thread might end up saving me years of fruitless searching, and $50K or more of my own money.

[treadmilldude]

One thing I might suggest to the mods here on RWD...I do not think this thread should be in the " RWD No-Holds Barred » Anything Goes (Members Only)" Forum. No. The information and advice presented in this thread is incredibly important to every member of RWD, not just the registered members. Yet, because all of this important advice being doled out is in a Forum that only registered members can view, that means 90% of the members of RWD - all of the "guests" - cannot read this thread. I think this is a mistake and I wish a mod would move this thread to a different forum where even the guests can read it. 

[Faux Pas]

I just discovered this thread about 20 minutes ago. This might be THE definitive thread to answer the biggest source of confusion and self doubt (and I have a lot of self doubt right now) I have right now about my pursuit of a FSU Woman.... the question of whether I should pursue a woman in Minsk in August who has a child or does not have a child. I have only read the first 3 pages, out of 50 pages, so far. But so far, there has been a plethora of great advice and past experiences shared by a number of very smart men and women. And so far in this thread, the overwhelming consensus seems to me to be DO NOT seek a woman in the FSU who has a child.

I love Children with all of my heart. Goodness knows every night when I go to sleep, I dream about becoming a wonderful, loving Father very soon. But there are so many negatives talked about in this thread, so far, with pursuing a woman in the FSU who does have a child......that I am absolutely scared to death right now at just thinking about winning the heart of a wonderful woman in Belarus who does have a child.

Oh well, only 47 more pages to go.    I wonder if the general consensus will remain to avoid FSU women with children or if possibly the tide of opinion will shift towards pursuing a FSU woman with a child being a workable, viable option? Hmmm, we will see. I am so glad I found this thread 20 minute ago, however. This thread might end up saving me years of fruitless searching, and $50K or more of my own money.

Dude I am trying really hard to not be to critical of you or your motives but I have to tell you when I read posts like this one, it really creeps me out. I've read several of these type posts over the years where an MOB'er was much more focused on the child of a possible mate than he was the mate. It's down right creepy. Starting a relationship with a woman with the driver being a father to her child is creepy

Forget all this shit. Find you a women you like. A women you find attractive and whom you'd like to date. Discover and learn about each other. After that has been accomplished then and only then discuss a possible future together. Decide if you can live with or without this woman and THEN and only then do you weigh the child in the relationship's future. You seem to have a penchant of putting the cart in front of the horse. When a child is involved, it's creepy.

[treadmilldude]

Faux Pass do you mind briefly telling me your own personal story again? I read your personal story a long time ago, but I get you mixed up with many of the other posters here - everyone's own personal search for their FSU female companion gets blurry for me when I have to remember 50-60 different members' unique search for a FSU woman. A few days ago, I got Jumper's and HunddaddyLee's stories completely mixed up with each other.

How old were you and your Wife when ya'll met, how old when ya'll married? Did she already have children, or was she a FSU woman without children? Did you have any children, FP, before ya'll met? What city is your Wife from? Thank you Faux Pass.