Svetlana Osipova, Saratov, Scam

[Gator]

As to Rembrandt,  we are not kids  : in the end one pays his money and gets his thrills

I disagree.    The reason why Rembrandt is not a sex tourist is because he went to Saratov in the hope of romance and eventually marriage.   

If he went there for paid sex, he got a reasonable deal, $1930  (an extra $430 for rent + $1500 extortion) for 6 days and nights of escort service with a young hooker who gave him a girlfriend experience    If a real sex tourist  read this thread, he may now be writing Svetlana, hoping to get the same deal.

This same story has been told a million times:   

-  a lonely man not having much experience with women. 

-  believing agency hype about young FSUW liking foreign men. 

-  contacting a scam artist who had not been eliminated from the agency's profiles.

-  not researching this endeavor (e. g., not reading RWD).

-  being seduced by a young, sexy woman.   


However, this time there is a huge difference.  Usually the man is fleeced without receiving sex.  The woman does the apartment scam and taxi scam, takes him shopping at expensive stores,  asks for money for sick mother, etc.


Svelana is different.  Unlike most such scams, Svetlana actually jumps his body and gives him "wild sex."  She easily could have done the thugs and extortion trick after the first night, having his DNA specimens as evidence.  Why wait until the 6th night?



Okay, Ludmila, what is your explanation for her actually having sex on a repeated basis?     

[AC]

I disagree.    The reason why Rembrandt is not a sex tourist is because he went to Saratov in the hope of romance and eventually marriage.   

If he went there for paid sex, he got a reasonable deal, $1930  (an extra $430 for rent + $1500 extortion) for 6 days and nights of escort service with a young hooker who gave him a girlfriend experience    If a real sex tourist  read this thread, he may now be writing Svetlana, hoping to get the same deal.

This same story has been told a million times:   

-  a lonely man not having much experience with women. 

-  believing agency hype about young FSUW liking foreign men. 

-  contacting a scam artist who had not been eliminated from the agency's profiles.

-  not researching this endeavor (e. g., not reading RWD).

-  being seduced by a young, sexy woman.   


However, this time there is a huge difference.  Usually the man is fleeced without receiving sex.  The woman does the apartment scam and taxi scam, takes him shopping at expensive stores,  asks for money for sick mother, etc.


Svelana is different.  Unlike most such scams, Svetlana actually jumps his body and gives him "wild sex."  She easily could have done the thugs and extortion trick after the first night, having his DNA specimens as evidence.  Why wait until the 6th night?



Okay, Ludmila, what is your explanation for her actually having sex on a repeated basis?   

Sorry Gator but your math is wrong.  She also stole $8,500.00 which he admitted to having on his person, before stealing an additional $1,500.00 from his checking account.  On top of him being overcharged for the apartment.

Best explanation I can come up with is Svetlana is some sort of sadistic nymphomaniac.

[Ludmila]

Okay, Ludmila, what is your explanation for her actually having sex on a repeated basis?   (quote)
To be able to justify the sums he owed her  for services during all that time + cost of premises. Did he use the former and the latter ? Yes, he did.

[Ludmila]

Okay, Ludmila, what is your explanation for her actually having sex on a repeated basis?   (quote)
To be able to justify the sums he owed her  for services during all that time + cost of premises. Did he use the former and the latter ? Yes, he did.

[Ludmila]

AC, you definately have reading comprehension problems of not only my post but that of the Topic Starter. She was able to get only $1500
That's what he wrote :For some stupid reason I told her I had 8500 dollars in cash on me, which she demanded I give her. After that, she took my key card, got my pin number, and went outside as I was left in the apartment with the 2 thugs. Luckily I had a withdrawl limit of 1500, which she ended up taking out the equivalent of in Rubles.
 As to ashaming me and trying to call me unethical/immoral, save your effort for those who impose LGBT culture on kids, use taxpayers' money to pay to prostitutes and take oral sex in the Oval Office of the country's N1 House.

[AC]

AC, you definately have reading comprehension problems of not only my post but that of the Topic Starter. She was able to get only $1500
That's what he wrote :For some stupid reason I told her I had 8500 dollars in cash on me, which she demanded I give her. After that, she took my key card, got my pin number, and went outside as I was left in the apartment with the 2 thugs. Luckily I had a withdrawl limit of 1500, which she ended up taking out the equivalent of in Rubles.
 As to ashaming me and trying to call me unethical/immoral, save your effort for those who impose LGBT culture on kids, use taxpayers' money to pay to prostitutes and take oral sex in the Oval Office of the country's N1 House.

I don't have reading comprehension problems at all.  He wrote that she took the $8,500 which was on his person, and the equivalent (in Rubles) of $1,500.00 which was in his checking account.

The rest of your post is just completely absurd.  While I am a Conservative person and don't believe in Liberal culture, it doesn't change the fact that you are trying to compare a hardened career criminal to cultural disputes.

You truly are confused.  I'm sure you claim to believe in God and are a Christian as well, right?   



PS.  We can wait for Rembrandt to clarify, but he wrote that she extorted a total of 10K from him as well as extorting excessive fees on the apartment.  Extortion of this sort is a Felony and she would likely get 10 years in prison in the USA.  OTOH you also attempted to compare her actions to those of a prostitute.  Prostitution is a moral crime with a small fine.  Two entirely different actions; but you believe they are the same. 

[Ludmila]

AC, I wouldn't want to give you a class of reading comprehension in English, especially for free. But since I'm talking to you,  once again, quoting TS : "Luckily I had a withdrawl limit of 1500"
You conservative person? Conservative values no longer exist in America, and the Founding Fathers are flipping in their graves, per chance you didn't know. Kiss your O where you like and all you want.
 Churches in this country are welcoming gays and endorse their life style, gay ministers are OKed by the proverbial conservative believers like you. Churches are tax exempt, therefore their mouthes are shut. Young Americans have turned their back on the Church, and I don't blame them.
No, Sir, save your demagogary to your Wall-Mart cashier buddies .
Since you chose to  humiliate me by addressing me with "the Russian typical response from a Russian person without any normal ethics" , you're getting the response you asked for : either take off your cross or pull up your pants. And , please, stop teaching Russians and Russia how to live, how to trust in God, and what is good and what is bad .

[AC]

Then on the 7th night, I came back to my apartment with her, ordered some food, answered the door, only to be confronted with 2 angry thugs. Svetlana started screaming at me hysterically, saying that I raped her over the last several days. For some stupid reason I told her I had 8500 dollars in cash on me, which she demanded I give her. After that, she took my key card, got my pin number, and went outside as I was left in the apartment with the 2 thugs. Luckily I had a withdrawl limit of 1500, which she ended up taking out the equivalent of in Rubles.

She left that night saying that if I informed the police of what happened, she’d get the thugs to give her bruises on her body, and counter claim that I raped her.

I realize you're Russian Ludmila, which means that you are extremely stubborn; so I will break it down for you, and of course it's for free.

See there where he admits to her that he has $8,500.00 on his person?  See there where she demands the money from him?  Now go to the preceding sentences where he writes that 2 angry thugs are in the room with them.

Are you finally able to comprehend that this is a major crime being committed, and that she demanded the $8,500.00, and that he gave it to her?  Then she demanded his ATM card and his PIN, which he also gave to her, because there still were 2 angry thugs waiting to beat the crap out of him or kill him?

Now let's go to the church issues.  Perhaps you would like Americans to beat up gay people like they do back in your Rodina, but we don't do that here.  And yes there are still Conservative churches that do not have gay pastors.

[Rembrandt]

I just came back from a bike ride and wasn't expecting this.

I joined this forum hoping to get to know like minded guys pursuing an FSU spouse. Not start some flame war, without pointing fingers at who's right or wrong, let me just clarify things.

She ended up taking the equivalent of 8 500 USDs off me in Rubles, and withdrew 1 500 USDs from my checking account. In total, she took the equivalent of 10 000 USDs off me. It's probably more like 11 500 considering the rent for the apartment and some of the things I ended up buying her.

Why did I have 8 500 USDs in Rubles on me some of you may ask? I spent two days in Moscow before traveling to Saratov. Near my hotel there was a store that sold boutique watches. My father is from Switzerland originally, and he raved about the quality of Breitling watches when I was younger. There was a watch I was sure he'd like for sale at just under 10 000 USDs (it retailed for 11 000 in SanFran when I checked). The guy at the store wouldn't sell it for 8k when I tried to haggle, so I went to the bank next door and withdrew 8.5ks out in Rubles. I thought showing him the money in real life would sway him to sell it cheaper, it didn't, instead he tried to sell me another watch.

On the 5th day with Svetlana, I asked her if there were any boutique watch stores in Saratov, and then proceeded to tell her about what happened in Moscow (I can see the readers in my mind's-eye sighing over the stupidity of what I did).

If she only took 1.5k off me, I probably would have let it go as a learning experience and not post this scam up.

I'll let everyone else figure out how things unfolded after that.

[AC]

I just came back from a bike ride and wasn't expecting this.

I joined this forum hoping to get to know like minded guys pursuing an FSU spouse. Not start some flame war, without pointing fingers at who's right or wrong, let me just clarify things.

She ended up taking the equivalent of 8 500 USDs off me in Rubles, and withdrew 1 500 USDs from my checking account. In total, she took the equivalent of 10 000 USDs off me. It's probably more like 11 500 considering the rent for the apartment and some of the things I ended up buying her.

Why did I have 8 500 USDs in Rubles on me some of you may ask? I spent two days in Moscow before traveling to Saratov. Near my hotel there was a store that sold boutique watches. My father is from Switzerland originally, and he raved about the quality of Breitling watches when I was younger. There was a watch I was sure he'd like for sale at just under 10 000 USDs (it retailed for 11 000 in America). The guy at the store wouldn't sell it for 8k when I tried to haggle, so I went to the bank next door and withdrew 8.5ks out in Rubles. I thought showing him the money in real life would sway him to sell it cheaper, it didn't.

On the 5th day with Svetlana, I asked her if there were any boutique watch stores in Saratov, and then proceeded to tell her about what happened in Moscow (I can see the readers in my mind's-eye sighing over the stupidity of what I did).

If she only took 1.5k off me, I probably would have let it go as a learning experience and not post this scam up.

I'll let everyone else figure out how things unfolded after that.

Whether it was 10K or 1.5K or like you just wrote about about 11.5K, NOBODY deserves this.  I know you did not want to start a flame war, but it is what it is. 

Ludmila if your car breaks down in a very bad neighborhood, do you deserve to get robbed?  End of story.

[Ludmila]

quote :I  realize you're Russian Ludmila, which means that you are extremely stubborn;
SINCE YOU'RE ATTACKING ME AGAIN AND ARE DISCUSSING MY PERSONALITY, YOU WILL GET A SYMMETRICAL ANSWER : AC, I REALIZE, YOU'RE AN AMERICAN REDNECK, WHICH MEANS THAT YOU ARE HARDLY LITTERATE, YOUR ENGLISH GRAMMAR IS POOR, AS WELL AS YOUR READING SKILLS, TRAVELLED NO FURTHER THAN YOUR LOCAL WALL-MART, AND BELIEVE THAT CHRIST WAS BORN IN 'MERICA ( ACCORDING TO "EAGLES" YOU'RE BLOATED WITH ENTITLEMENT, LOADED ON PROPAGANDA AND YOUR CULTURAL JUNK....)
 I SO LIKE THIS GROUP...
I will break it down for you, and of course it's for free.

See there where he admits to her that he has $8,500.00 on his person?  See there where she demands the money from him? 
I SEE SHE DEMANDED IT BUT DON'T SEE  THAT "HE GAVE IT TO HER" WRITTEN IN THE ORIGINAL TEXT.
 
Now go to the preceding sentences where he writes that 2 angry thugs are in the room with them.


Are you finally able to comprehend that this is a major crime being committed, and that she demanded the $8,500.00, and that he gave it to her? 
WHERE IS HE SAYING IN THE ORIGINAL TEXT HE GAVE IT TO HER ?Then she demanded his ATM card and his PIN, which he also gave to her, because there still were 2 angry thugs waiting to beat the crap out of him or kill him?

Now let's go to the church issues.  Perhaps you would like Americans to beat up gay people like they do back in your Rodina,
FYI,I LOVE MY RODINA AND I LOVE AMERICA, BUT NOT THE AMERICA YOU LOVE WHERE THEY SPY ON THEIR CITIZENS AS THEY DID IN THE SOVIET UNION, WHICH WAS CALLED THE EMPIRE OF EVIL BY YOUR COUNTRY. NOBODY BEATS GAYS IN RUSSIA. IT'S ONLY IN YOUR INFLAMED REDNECK MIND ... BECAUSE   FOXNEWS TELLS YOU SO. GAYS IN RUSSIA WORK, OCCUPY HIGH POSITIONS, HAVE THEIR OWN CLUBS ETC, ETC 
 AS A TYPICAL REDNECK WITH READING COMPREHENSION PROBLEMS YOU NEVER FIGURED OUT WHAT I WROTE
but we don't do that here.
  And yes there are still Conservative churches that do not have gay pastors.
I LIKED YOUR "STILL".

[Ludmila]

AC, here are the words to the song by "The Eagles" LONG ROAD OUT OF EDEN. It is about you and those like you .
"Long Road Out Of Eden"

Moon shining down through the palms
Shadows moving on the sand
Somebody whispering the twenty-third psalm
Dusty rifle in his trembling hands

Somebody trying just to stay alive
He got promises to keep
Over the ocean in america
Far away and fast asleep

Silent stars blinking in the blackness of an endless sky
Cold silver satellites, ghostly caravans passing by
Galaxies unfolding, new worlds being born
Pilgrims and prodigals creeping toward the dawn
But it's a long road out of eden

Music blasting from an suv
On a bright and sunny day
Rolling down the interstate
In the good ol' usa

Having lunch at the petroleum club
Smokin' fine cigars and swappin' lives
He said: "gimme 'nother slice o' that barbecued brisket!"
"gimme 'nother piece o' that pecan pie!"

Freeways flickering, cell phones chiming a tune
We're riding to utopia, road map says we'll be arriving soon
Captains of the old order clinging to the reins
Assuring us these aches inside are only growing pains
But it's a long road out of eden

Back home i was so certain
The path was very clear
But now i have to wonder: "what are we doing here?"
I'm not counting on tomorrow
And i can't tell wrong from right
But i'd give anything to be there in your arms tonight

Weaving down the american highway
Through the litter and the wreckage and the cultural junk
Bloated with entitlement, loaded on propaganda
And now we're driving dazed and drunk

Been down the road to damascus,
The road to mandalay
Met the ghost of caesar on the appian way
He said, "it's hard to stop this bingeing, once you get a taste."
"but the road to empire is a bloody stupid waste."

Behold the bitten apple - the power of the tools
But all the knowledge in the world is of no use to fools
And it's a long road out of eden....

 

[Ludmila]

And now the song and the legendary Don Henley. Enjoy! It's about you and people like you.

[Rembrandt]

quote :I  realize you're Russian Ludmila, which means that you are extremely stubborn;
SINCE YOU'RE ATTACKING ME AGAIN AND ARE DISCUSSING MY PERSONALITY, YOU WILL GET A SYMMETRICAL ANSWER : AC, I REALIZE, YOU'RE AN AMERICAN REDNECK, WHICH MEANS THAT YOU ARE HARDLY LITTERATE, YOUR ENGLISH GRAMMAR IS POOR, AS WELL AS YOUR READING SKILLS, TRAVELLED NO FURTHER THAN YOUR LOCAL WALL-MART, AND BELIEVE THAT CHRIST WAS BORN IN 'MERICA ( ACCORDING TO "EAGLES" YOU'RE BLOATED WITH ENTITLEMENT, LOADED ON PROPAGANDA AND YOUR CULTURAL JUNK....)
 I SO LIKE THIS GROUP...
I will break it down for you, and of course it's for free.

See there where he admits to her that he has $8,500.00 on his person?  See there where she demands the money from him? 
I SEE SHE DEMANDED IT BUT DON'T SEE  THAT "HE GAVE IT TO HER" WRITTEN IN THE ORIGINAL TEXT.
 
Now go to the preceding sentences where he writes that 2 angry thugs are in the room with them.


Are you finally able to comprehend that this is a major crime being committed, and that she demanded the $8,500.00, and that he gave it to her? 
WHERE IS HE SAYING IN THE ORIGINAL TEXT HE GAVE IT TO HER ?Then she demanded his ATM card and his PIN, which he also gave to her, because there still were 2 angry thugs waiting to beat the crap out of him or kill him?

Now let's go to the church issues.  Perhaps you would like Americans to beat up gay people like they do back in your Rodina,
FYI,I LOVE MY RODINA AND I LOVE AMERICA, BUT NOT THE AMERICA YOU LOVE WHERE THEY SPY ON THEIR CITIZENS AS THEY DID IN THE SOVIET UNION, WHICH WAS CALLED THE EMPIRE OF EVIL BY YOUR COUNTRY. NOBODY BEATS GAYS IN RUSSIA. IT'S ONLY IN YOUR INFLAMED REDNECK MIND ... BECAUSE   FOXNEWS TELLS YOU SO. GAYS IN RUSSIA WORK, OCCUPY HIGH POSITIONS, HAVE THEIR OWN CLUBS ETC, ETC 
 AS A TYPICAL REDNECK WITH READING COMPREHENSION PROBLEMS YOU NEVER FIGURED OUT WHAT I WROTE
but we don't do that here.
  And yes there are still Conservative churches that do not have gay pastors.
I LIKED YOUR "STILL".

A homophobic Russian, that's original!

Russia doesn't exactly stand the moral high ground in case you didn't know.

In Australia, the fact that Russian sponsored seperatists in Ukraine shot down Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 - a civilian plane filled with Dutch and Australian citizens - is all over the press and causing international controversy. The Russian government doesn't even have the courage to acknowledge this, despite the overwhelming evidence. Moral high ground.

Russian sex slaves and prostitutes are all over Europe and S.E. Asia, due to the fact that the Russian mindset treats people like inaminate objects to be sold on the market place. Are you aware that it's Russian middlemen who are respsonsible for recruiting and kidnapping such women? Moral high ground.

Not to mention the fact that Russians tend to be of lower-consciousness, who treat ethnic minorities from Central Asia, Georgia, Armenia, and the Caucasus like second-class citizens. "Не русский", I'm sure you've heard of that expression. It's disgusting the way  Georgians, Armenians, Chechens and Tajiks etc., are treated. Russia is a country that can't accept racial pluralism in a globalised world. Moral high ground.

In Australia, consulate officials don't have to pay for traffic offences. Guess which consulate officials have the highest amount of unpaid traffic offences? Russia! Maybe the criminal-extortionist mind-set is just an irrevocable part of the Russian psyche? Moral high ground.

Russia's homophoic stance! Treating people like social lepers due to their sexual orientation = Ludmila. Moral high ground.

Lastly, the fact there is an entire industry based on setting up Russian women with men from the West says something about the bleakness of Russian life. To assume that "love' is the only reason such coupling exists if foolhardy at best, and dangerous at worst. Why do FSU women want to leave so bad? Would such an industry exist if it was Russian women being set-up with poor Latin American and Asian men? Would you have married your beloved partner if he wasn't an American citizen? Moral high ground.

If you hate American politics so much, and can only see its flaws, then I suggest you leave. No one is making you stay.

Can you see you are going into damage control? You let your emotions get the better of your intellect and make these wild allegations that fly in the face of reason. Upon finding out you are wrong, instead of ignoring things or conceding your error, you start nit-picking sentences and fabircate flaws that don't exist.

At the end of the day, we are not the ones who will be losing sleep over this.

P.S. I might just be "book smart" and lack "street smarts" or "wisdom", but you are obviously envious of the title I have being an Ivy League graduate. Let me tell you one thing, if I sold my diploma on the free-market as toilet paper, I'd be lucky to get a penny for it - due its ink content and texture making for an uncomfortable wipe. But what being "book smart" and an Ivy League graduate does, is allow me to recognise that smart people write with correct grammar. Take heed in this advice if you want to come off as "intelligent" and "well-read".

P.P.S. A/C has much better grammmar and comprehension than yourself. You write with run on sentences, don't know how to use a colon properly and don't know when to start a new paragraph. These are just some of your problems.

[Patagonie]

Patagonie, I am well aware of the enormous stupidity of my mistake and just how naive I was. I consider myself "lucky" not to have been beaten up or dead.

Well, in regards to age, that depends how old the guy is. She's 19 and I was 30 at the time of meeting her. I read on most websites with FSU women, a 10-15 year age gap is common and accepted.


That is an excellent point. I actually don't know whose name it was registered in, at the risk of being berated or mocked again, I just met her at Saratov train station--took the scenic route from Pivalevsky station in Moscow, the only pleasant experience of the trip--and caught the taxi with her to the apartment. It certainly wasn't registered in my name that's for sure.

I think that you didn't get the point.
The point is not the age gap.
The point is that (unless you have seen her birth date on her passport, but as you don't know how to read cyrillic i doubt that have happened) you couldn't  know if she was an adult or not. To have sex with a minor in a country you don't know, and especially in conditions you have met, can be a real hard time. You can finish in jail.
Now what i want to tell you : this girl is under the law and her behavior don't suffer any excuse. You didn't come here to be the sex tourist guy, you suffer and are suffering from victim's troubles. You should discuss this with specialists, like police officer and also psychologist. 

For all newbies who are reading this type of story : be careful of your romantism and generosity. Don't talk about your money and any numerals.

It is possible that this girl, understanding how much money in cash you were owning, decided to talk to some "friends". Do you understand that 8500$ is something like more than 16 months of salary in Saratov ?

[I/O]

What's nice about this thread is that a highly intelligent person, if by his own admission, a little short on street smarts at the time, has told it warts and all without any sooki-la-la complaining, in an effort to warn others. What's not nice is a few arsewipe comments and some thinly veiled attempts to justify what those of us who respect Russia really hate about the place.

Rembrandt - stick around, you're a breath of fresh air IMO.

[Ade]

Rembrandt, it's probably better to ignore Ludmila - she's a bit of a stepford wife wannabe and a few conkers short of a chestnut tree as you've probably noticed.

[CDW]

 

Ludmila if your car breaks down in a very bad neighborhood, do you deserve to get robbed?  End of story.

+1   Similar thoughts exactly!!!

[CDW]

Sir Rembrandt

Ignore these readers who attacked you.  You don't deserve to get robbed!   But, thank you for sharing your story, and I do hope you made the report to Elenas Models

[vwrw]

What a truly horrible thing to write.  Nobody deserves such a thing.  But what a typical response from a Russian person without any normal ethics (yeah komrade, stick-it to those Yankees!).

That response is called "blame the victim" mentality, and is common in people in many countries, including the US.   

[vwrw]

In my opinion, the guy was definitely scammed if his  account of the event is a correct description and he definitely does not deserve it    .

[JayH]

Rembrant-
 
A torrid few days in forum-- you did a dumb thing!!  I think that was mentioned above!! You  not the first--nor the last to make mistakes like this.Dare I say it-even some of the posters have done some dumb things !!

What's nice about this thread is that a highly intelligent person, if by his own admission, a little short on street smarts at the time, has told it warts and all without any sooki-la-la complaining, in an effort to warn others. What's not nice is a few arsewipe comments and some thinly veiled attempts to justify what those of us who respect Russia really hate about the place.

Rembrandt - stick around, you're a breath of fresh air IMO.

Good post I/O--100% plus -- disliking and being critical of Russia in some areas does not make you anti-Russian as some have been intent to portray on forums.It does seem Russians do have a problem accepting being wrong--most of us learn to accept we are not always right--I can remember when that happened to me-it was 1995 !!(
Funnily enough--the views some have expressed here are eerily similar in principle to the rationalisation  by some in the FSU  of agency scamming ie--the men volunteer to spend the money!  So it is their fault for allowing themselves to be defrauded.
 

 Quote from: AC on Today at 12:26:36 AM


Ludmila if your car breaks down in a very bad neighborhood, do you deserve to get robbed?  End of story.

+1   Similar thoughts exactly!!!

[vwrw]

So how a honest man could protect himself from a situation like this one? Not having premarital sex at all is unlikely a satisfying solution in the modern society.

I would recommend mentioning to the woman that if they both would be willing to engage in sexual activities during his stay, he would ask her to provide her written consent to that activity at a notary office prior to her invitation to his room.     When this condition should be mention to her? Probably around the time as they start discussing his trip to her. I bet this conversation would stop the scammer  from pursuing the relationship any further. 

[JayH]

So how a honest man could protect himself from a situation like this one? Not having premarital sex at all is unlikely a satisfying solution in the modern society.

I would recommend mentioning to the woman that if they both would be willing to engage in sexual activities during his stay, he would ask her to provide her written consent to that activity at a notary office prior to her invitation to his room.     When this condition should be mention to her? Probably around the time as they start discussing his trip to her. I bet this conversation would stop the scammer  from pursuing the relationship any further. 

Probably stop the trip full stop!!Regardless of the girls intentions!

[BillyB]

It seems that she knew the law and was prepared to try to send him to prison if he tried to turn her in.

If Rembrandt didn't try to impress the woman with his wallet, she may not have tried to rob him. Getting robbed for 10k isn't as bad as marrying a gold digger. Many guys have done worse when trying to impress women with their wallet.