It has begun

[GatoMoon]

Hi Gatomoon



http://www.ukrainiandatingstories.com/interest-on-ua-dreams-no-interest-on-vk-com/

My 1st contact - found her in VK, and denied ever knowing me.  In the end, it was her - not from fake photos.   By the way, good job I had found her there, because when I looked at her photos, I knew she wasn't the right woman for me.  All of her photos, all over about her son and her with her son - 99 %.   She won't have time for me anyway

[freddykreuger]

Hi GatoMoon.

Thanks feels good that some people gets awake and help themselves out not falling for the many scams and scams sites that exist et.

This will help many of you avoid fake live video scams, this sometimes is connected to Nigeria scams, but they are usually more easy to detect.
As a generally advice applies always in any site or on Skype et always ask the girl in live video do something to prove she is real and not some fake video recorded feed scammers use to trick you trying to cheat money from you, for a long period or short period of time. Never send money to anyone you not meet in real life ever for whatever reason. Scam date sites also sometimes uses fake recorded videos and victims only talking with staff member of scam date sites and not any real girl.
To not fall victim of scam fake recorded videos ask her to stand up so you see her height. If she or anyone refuses or come up with alot of excuses and like video goes offline or freeze its a scam and a recorded video and you are talking to a scammer and not the girl or person in video.
Wave is not enough why see this warning:


Generally speaking.
Short of Nigeria scams as Nigeria lottery scams emails or inheritance scams easy to detect. You cannot win money without played on a lottery, so its a scam.
And if it sounds to good to be true it usually is.
No inherit millions or much money from famous person or unknown relative on email is true, it is Nigerian scams.

Another warning I must give is most pro date scam girls from Ukraine or Russia from those scam sites, usually hides their Vk status. They usually hide their boyfriends and huspands so you know, some of the pro date girls if not all of them has not even their boyfriends or huspands in their Vk friend list, so men using scam sites cannot see that info or truth about them and think they are singel when they are not.

They are only on scam sites like Uadreams to earn money from its agency nothing else, getting paid talking to western men under false pretense of "seeking huspand or marriage abroad" .

Yeah the girls online chatting and video chatting all times like 24/7 every day at Uadreams and similar scam sites when do they have time to work?
As they, many pro date girls, says they have high educations and jobs, well guess what Uadreams and similar scam sites is their work/job...
And you also see their pro date girls lying many excuses and lying customer service thats want you to exchange letters chats and video chats more everyday...

If you went over to Ukraine and meet them all your meetings would only go through the agency and you would be sucked dry of all your money by scam sites translation services also in real life meeting through their many scam translators and gifts and all other things they offer, as meeting the girl without agency or exchange real contact details even after first meeting is nearly impossible, as the pro date girls in there only wants your money communicating through the scam site and get you buy them gifts and stuff.

Best advice stay away from sites with no online reputation and you will not be scammed.
Get out of Uadreams agency scam with all their prodate scam girls and you will not be scammed more best advice I can give, if you still are in there get out leave them, ignore all mails and chat request and video chat request you get from them if you still have an online account with them, before you get really burned and sucked in.

Some also get invitations from that scam Uadreams when they are on serious honest date sites, to join the Uadreams scam company, see:
http://www.romancescam.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=25345

Hope you did not lost to much money in correspondence with the girls at Uadreams scam agency with its scam pro date girls and scam sites alike et.

I am truly sorry for what happend to you GatoMoon and other people. Its all the blame and fault on the scammers, you as victim totally innocent and has no blame, same applies all victims of the many scams out there.
Exactly how the many scam sites works see previous answers in this thread.

Thank you.

[GatoMoon]

Do you know what is worse?  I signed up my 2nd Uadreams account as part of my experiment.   The 2nd account - no photos, not even description.  I get many pop up chat requests the second I logged in! 

[freddykreuger]

Do you know what is worse?  I signed up my 2nd Uadreams account as part of my experiment.   The 2nd account - no photos, not even description.  I get many pop up chat requests the second I logged in!

GatoMoon excellent experiment by the way, as it shows what they are all about scamming.

Whoa thats really terrible.... Do the scam Uadreams and its all scam pro date girls also say you so hot or beautiful or that they like you and your personality so much haha et even when you have no photos and no description?

If they do I will not be surprised its a total con, huge scam Uadreams with all is pro date scam girls and scam sites alike.

In some senses Uadreams is clever to hide their scamming operation if only look by their website appearance and customer clever lying support and fake positive testimonials compensated by agency or made by agency fake testimonials, but when it really comes to hide their scamming operation on a deeper level, they are really stupied and naive, as your experiment shows. Also they hide their collection of scam money on Cyprus and that also shows a big red flag, a really stupied and naive move done by them, as it exposes them more as a scam then it hides their scammy operation. This also causes them have problem with tax authorities or at least raise tax authorities suspicion.

Good test or experiment to expose the many types of date site scams.
Heard about people who exposed other scam sites as Anastasiadate in same manner. By Ian M:
http://www.sitejabber.com/reviews/www.anastasiadate.com#878

This scam company Uadreams well their owners cannot decide who do the worst scamming in cheat people of money or who shall keep most of the money so they split their scam company haha...

"Around the start of 2008, this company split in a melodramatic feud between supposed owners in Ukraine! It became 2 identities, Ualadys.com and Uadreams.com.
You will see from the above addresses, the parent company is in USA.
Essentially, these companies continue to operate in a similar fashion.
Clients, either find the site OR are enticed to join the site by ladies (as I was from Ukrainedate.com!) and then you begin writing to ladies in their gallery.

YOU PAY!!!
ALL letters are translated, at a cost TO YOU, regardless if the lady speaks YOUR language! Services for the ladies are FREE!
You cannot have personal contact details or be in direct contact with ladies, apart from through the agency!
You pay for letters, photos and videos and they try to get you to send gifts as well, which they supply from their SHOP on the internet site, at 3 times the cost you can buy over the counter!

On the surface, one can feel protected and ensured that the ladies exist! After all, its through an agency!!!
BUYER BEWARE!!!"

http://www.delphifaq.com/faq/russian_marriage_scams/f5332.shtml

GatoMoon nice done your experiment and nice done by Ian M with Anastasiadate exposing them at Sitejabber link above.

A good way to expose and test them and warn others about the many scam sites out there, well done.

Thank you very much, this helps many see through the many date site scams and similar site scams.

[ML]

This continuing thread is so ridiculous.

It has been repeated in the thread many times the way to avoid scams, and that it is a waste of time to cry about being a victim.

To avoid scams:
1) Never deal with any agency or website that requires payment for individual contact info or exchanging of messages.
2) Only participate with agencies or websites that will sell you a monthly subscription (or have free subscriptions) for unlimited contact with all who are listed.
3) Write a ton of messages to every gal on the websites that meet your minimum criteria.
4) As the answers start to come in, filter out all those who give you any concerns about ANYTHING.
5) Repeat the process with the second set of messages, and filter out.
6) Repeat again multiple times within the 2 month period before you are ready to make your trip.
7) If you rigorously filter out all who give you any concern . . . you will NEVER again have to come here whining about scammers.

GROW UP, BE A MAN !!

[freddykreuger]

Hi ML

Just wanted to say this.

Agree with you all is shown about how to avoid scams, and the list you provided is excellent good summery for all.

However the victims of the many scams have all right to share their story and warn others always, it makes a huge difference and is not a waste of time nor is it whining.
Just because the victims of scams here and elsewhere warn about the scams does it not mean they are not a man or grown ups. Do agree however this thread is finished talking about this subject with scams.

Think GatoMoon and others provided good info also.

If all should be silent when crimes happens well then the World would be really bad place.

As some people say:

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."

Personally I do think if people follow the advices here and the list you provided ML the problems with scams will be alot less.

I end with this on my part on this subject:

A honest free site to find your Ukrainian or Russian girl.

Just a suggestion:

Site Admin romancescam.com Marisas free Ukrainian date Site and or Russian, I believe is very honest and secure, but remember never send any money to anyone you never meet:

http://www.datingnmore.com/

Some quastions answered about completely free honest seamingly date site:

http://datingnmore.com/site/faq

And:

"LIST OF SINGLE UKRAINIAN WOMEN
Ever wondered where to find a real Ukrainian girl? Your search ends here! Sign up with our free site, and you can contact any of these nice REAL Ukrainian girls FOR FREE. They are all waiting for your messages, so what are you waiting for?! Stop taking chances with scammers on sites that cannot care less about scams, stop wasting your time and money, and signup with us TODAY. The real girls from Ukraine are here.
"
http://www.datingnmore.com/ukrainian_girls.php

This I try to keep this as my last post about this subject as ML said all has been addressed on this topic. Agreed.

Thank you.

[ML]

A honest free site to find your Ukrainian or Russian girl.

Site Admin romancescam.com Marisas free Ukrainian date Site and or Russian, I believe is very honest and secure, but remember never send any money to anyone you never meet:

http://www.datingnmore.com/

Some questions answered about completely free honest seemingly date site:

http://datingnmore.com/site/faq

And:

 The real girls from Ukraine are here.

http://www.datingnmore.com/ukrainian_girls.php

OK, so we may have some useful info here.

Those of you 'in the know,'   Check out these websites.

Do they meet the criteria of free or monthly pay flat fee for unlimited contact with all gals listed?

If yes, I can add them to my listing in Starting Out.

[2tallbill]

Thanks feels good that some people gets awake and help themselves out not falling for the many scams and scams sites that exist et.

In your profile you've traveled zero times to the FSU?

I'm sorry you've fallen for a girl on a pay per view site. Now you need to do
either move on or educate yourself.

1. Realize that you are a newbie and probably shouldn't try to dispense too much
advice until you have some more experience under your belt. Let's compare my
experience for a moment. I've written several thousand FSUW. I've dated over
a hundred FSUW, traveled to the FSU ten times and married an FSUW. I don't
pass out much FSUW marriage advice because I've only been married for a year.

2. You've spent 3 years as a keyboard Romeo without making a single trip.
Are you going to stay a keyboard Romeo or graduate to the next level?
If yes then why not stay on the pay sites instead of bothering real girls? if
no then go on to step 3

3. You need to do your research here so you know what to expect in future steps.

4. Don't write girls if you can't or won't get on a plane within 3-4 months.

5. You've posted plenty of posts about UA dreams, now it's time to move on.

Udachi!

Bill

[freddykreuger]

Hi Bill.

Yes some things about the scam sites mentioned had been mentioned by me and others yes, in warning people, and thats done now as said in previous post.

If you read previous posts between me and ML I said enough talk about this with scams all been addressed.

Just because I do not list all things in my profile does it not mean my experience is less then yours the opposite in the whole picture.

The quote means nothing I were talking in general sense. The site I had most problem with in my personally life is not Uadreams, but Dream Marriage in a long past many years ago. But my disquast for all types of scams and compassion for the many victims is the same as I know what they gone through and just because they tell their story they need no more hardness because of it. They went through enough by the scams. I know this as many of the victims. But as said previously enough with this with scams now all has been addressed.

I am no newbie on the contrary and I will continue give advices as I seem fit.

Whats now it is all about if anyone has any more input to validate the free date site shown, as ML asked before about. The free date site I gave advice about think its very honest and true, but more input from people regarding that would be great, as also ML said.

Thank you.

[JayH]

This continuing thread is so ridiculous.



GROW UP, BE A MAN !!

What he said !!   

[Noch1]

I read half of this and my head hurts. Can't fix stupid
I agree with ML also.
be a man, stop the whining already.

[2tallbill]

Hi Bill.

Just because I do not list all things in my profile does it not mean my experience is less then yours the opposite in the whole picture.

This is slow cookers thread, not yours. You've hijacked it. honestytruth and you are
actually the same guy, therefore you have zero experience and you don't know Kung
Fu or Ninja Turtle etc. You aren't a secret agent or a pop star

You both write in the same broken English and you both make the same claims and
appeals and have much the same style.

Don't come here and make things up. You have the opportunity to learn something
here.
 
If you want to write about something then start your own thread, don't hijack somebody
else's thread. I'm not the boss around here and I have no authority to tell you what to
do, however I know what the rules are and what common courtesy is.


Udachi!


Bill

[freddykreuger]

Hi Bill.

I have not hijacked anything. Only responded to things regarding scam sites that were mentioned by others in this thread.

Neither have I made anything up. The claims I said is true.

Again I am no newbie and I have experience in the whole picture more then you, no doubt about it.

I am who I am. My issues in past is most with Dream Marriage not Uadreams.

Enough with the scam talk. Most in here wants this thread to stop. All is shown about the scams and how to avoid them.

Believe what you want.

Getting tired of your abusive responses Bill, will not respond to you anymore.

Hope that this thread takes another turn soon.

Also hope some have some good input about the free date site recommended before.

Thank you.

[2tallbill]

Getting tired of your abusive responses Bill, will not respond to you anymore.

No worries,



Good luck

[cc3]

Again I am no newbie and I have experience in the whole picture more then you, no doubt about it.

My advice to you:

(1) If you have so much experience, change your profile to reflect your greater-than-Bill's experience.

(2) Improve your defective English.

[LAman]

No worries,



Good luck

Bill, that is a very weak post, positive, yes but very weak......so much so that you need a jump!!!!

[russellarnold]

Hi ML

Just wanted to say this.

Agree with you all is shown about how to avoid scams, and the list you provided is excellent good summery for all.

However the victims of the many scams have all right to share their story and warn others always, it makes a huge difference and is not a waste of time nor is it whining.
Just because the victims of scams here and elsewhere warn about the scams does it not mean they are not a man or grown ups. Do agree however this thread is finished talking about this subject with scams.

Think GatoMoon and others provided good info also.

If all should be silent when crimes happens well then the World would be really bad place.

As some people say:

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."

Personally I do think if people follow the advices here and the list you provided ML the problems with scams will be alot less.

I end with this on my part on this subject:

A honest free site to find your Ukrainian or Russian girl.

Just a suggestion:

Site Admin romancescam.com Marisas free Ukrainian date Site and or Russian, I believe is very honest and secure, but remember never send any money to anyone you never meet:

http://www.datingnmore.com/

Some quastions answered about completely free honest seamingly date site:

http://datingnmore.com/site/faq

And:

"LIST OF SINGLE UKRAINIAN WOMEN
Ever wondered where to find a real Ukrainian girl? Your search ends here! Sign up with our free site, and you can contact any of these nice REAL Ukrainian girls FOR FREE. They are all waiting for your messages, so what are you waiting for?! Stop taking chances with scammers on sites that cannot care less about scams, stop wasting your time and money, and signup with us TODAY. The real girls from Ukraine are here.
"
http://www.datingnmore.com/ukrainian_girls.php

This I try to keep this as my last post about this subject as ML said all has been addressed on this topic. Agreed.

Thank you.

In a way both Ml and freddy are right.

ML summed up everything in a few lines to avoid getting scammed.

At the same time, as freddy mentioned it is  important for people who have bad experiences to post their stories too.

All of us have different backgrounds, cultures, life experiences and belong to different age groups. So our reaction to the same situation will be different.

[TomT]

Freddy is from Norway.

[GatoMoon]

Hi Bill.

Freddy, what you had was

NIGHTMARE ON THE KHRESHCHATYK STREET..........

now it is time to wake  up......