My story of Russian women with pics

[mies]

i ignored your pm in the morning, your 1st post here, but you added another post a few hours later. What is wrong with you? You are crazy.

Google calendar, is that you?
you need to find your place in the queue, there are many people who want to instruct me on when I can speak or write. 

 

[Maxx2]

Hi mies! Did you ever get my PM?


This a fascinating thread. In reading it, it reminded me of something I've given quite a bit of thought to. Namely what is the legitimate reasons to find a wife from Ukraine? And while doing so what rules should a guy live by? The subject mies brought up, sex tourism, IMO really runs counter to finding a wife from those parts. After all would your future wife be happy to know that in the quest for her you went like a butterfly spreading your pollen from flower to flower? How I was raised sex was a pretty big deal. If you did it you pretty much made the commitment to concentrate on making the relationship work towards marriage. If you weren't looking for marriage you would remain celibate until you were. I know these are 19th Century Victorian/Puritan values that you can choose to live by or not. Now you got Dragonkid and you others in the pursuit doing the WMVM (Write Many Visit Many) were do you draw the lines in regard to getting in bed with a woman that comes on to you?

[mies]

Hi mies! Did you ever get my PM?

Just found it, thank you!

[mies]

This a fascinating thread. In reading it, it reminded me of something I've given quite a bit of thought to. Namely what is the legitimate reasons to find a wife from Ukraine? And while doing so what rules should a guy live by? The subject mies brought up, sex tourism, IMO really runs counter to finding a wife from those parts.

I am not against international dating and marriage, naturally. But Ukraine is at war. This is an objective reality. In some alternative reality a foreign citizen brags about his plans of a sex tour to Ukraine.
He says he doesn't believe in marriage, and yet chooses girls who are looking for marriage. He does it so that he doesn't need to spend money, using the good old story "if I meet the right girl..."
People in Ukraine are not just financially vulnerable. They are emotionally vulnerable. To take advantage of this is a predatory behavior, not a mere financial exploitation of favorable exchange rate.

Dragonkid should travel to Donetsk or Lugansk, at their local exchange rate and economic situation, he will get the biggest bang for his pound (perhaps even literally).

The basic rule the guy should live by: don't lie. In Dragonkid's case: do not contact women who say they want serious relationship and want to get married. He should register at "Travelgirls" web site or the likes, and meet with girls who seek sex and fun, not marriage. At least their interests are compatible.

[Maxx2]

I am not against international dating and marriage, naturally. But Ukraine is at war. This is an objective reality. In some alternative reality a foreign citizen brags about his plans of a sex tour to Ukraine.
He says he doesn't believe in marriage, and yet chooses girls who are looking for marriage. He does it so that he doesn't need to spend money, using the good old story "if I meet the right girl..."
People in Ukraine are not just financially vulnerable. They are emotionally vulnerable. To take advantage of this is a predatory behavior, not a mere financial exploitation of favorable exchange rate.

Dragonkid should travel to Donetsk or Lugansk, at their local exchange rate and economic situation, he will get the biggest bang for his pound (perhaps even literally).

I've considered looking for a wife in Ukraine or in Georgia. Playing with a woman's emotions and giving false hope is something that should be avoided at all costs. That is why I think a man shouldn't even have contact with a woman especially physical contact unless he is ready for marriage and sees her as a likely choice. I see a lot of men playing fast and loose with these rules and getting pulled into situations that cause a lot of pain and suffering.

[dragonkid]

. Now you got Dragonkid and you others in the pursuit doing the WMVM (Write Many Visit Many)

Obviously you should stop lying, you never read my thread, as i met one girl not many. I had the intention to be with her , but not to get married. In response to mies, i knew about the visa laws, i was planning on getting a work permit to remain in russia. I wanted to have kids and to remain with her, just without the marriage, i found and still find marriage illogical. it offers nothing to men, just financial obligation when things go south. It looks like i will need to get married if i want to remain in UK with my future wife, so i just need to make sure i choose a good woman.

[msmobyone]

where do you draw the lines in regard to getting in bed with a woman that comes on to you?

Freudian slip, Maxx ? 

[msmobyone]

Obviously you should stop lying..

DK

Maxx and others can read - you forget you are telling 'the world' about how many girls that you are writing to ..

You are managing to bore folk - irritate, even - those  who cut you some slack - as a young, newbie .... Before, typing - THINK ... for Pete's sake...

[dragonkid]

DK

Maxx and others can read - you forget you are telling 'the world' about how many girls that you are writing to ..

You are managing to bore folk - irritate, even - those  who cut you some slack - as a young, newbie .... Before, typing - THINK ... for Pete's sake...

You obviously forgot when people have trench a hard time for not having back up plans. You lot do a lot of forgetting, must come with the old age. Just for your information i don't talk to many people, you can actually count the amount of people with your left hand. But that won't matter, as you have it in your head that i am meeting tons of women, and sleeping with them all.

[Maxx2]

You obviously forgot when people have trench a hard time for not having back up plans. You lot do a lot of forgetting, must come with the old age. Just for your information i don't talk to many people, you can actually count the amount of people with your left hand. But that won't matter, as you have it in your head that i am meeting tons of women, and sleeping with them all.

The sleeping part is a possibility and not something you confessed to. I'll take your word you haven't. However you do have on your digital rolodex the names and contact numbers a great deal of women. I seen it in the youtube you posted. Just don't become what mies is suggesting you might devolve into. There are too many of those creeps there already. BTW, welcome to RWD!

[msmobyone]

You obviously forgot when people have trench a hard time for not having back up plans. You lot do a lot of forgetting, must come with the old age. Just for your information i don't talk to many people, you can actually count the amount of people with your left hand. But that won't matter, as you have it in your head that i am meeting tons of women, and sleeping with them all.

I 'forget' nought .. I've seen folks get a hard time for having differing opinions -  I think visiting a few / many is plain daft - as is a back up - plan - if you are going to visit using the scatter gun approach - you've not done 'due diligence' and can hardly be surprised if the trip 'fails' with the original list ...

I can't see the harm in talking to a few ladies - at that stage - you aren't committing - it is your fault that we might assume differently...about the numbers and any future visits ..

[dragonkid]

However you do have on your digital rolodex the names and contact numbers a great deal of women. I seen it in the youtube you posted. !

Old contact list, i don't add many people anymore, maybe 2 a week. Most i don't talk to if they don't interest me. For example one girl says she likes partying and weed, you can guess what happened next.

I can't see the harm in talking to a few ladies - at that stage - you aren't committing

i am now spending an hour a day via skype learning russian. I am eager to go to the caucus parts of Russia and meet a virgin, somebody who wants to get married. This will take a lot of effort, first i need to learn the language, second i need to network with people in those areas, third i need to have £5k a month disposable income minimum to really iron out my future relationship, probably get a place big enough for us and her family which is not cheap in london.

I am going to russia in july, i have some people i will meet. Nothing serious really, i don't want to live in the future, more to do with living in the present. And enjoying what i can do now. Keep my head down, enjoy the process, and have my end goal insight.

[msmobyone]

 I am eager to go to the caucus parts of Russia and meet a virgin, somebody who wants to get married. This will take a lot of effort

Good luck with the search .. you DO know that the type of woman you seek - in the region you seek - will mean she'll be chaperoned and you'll never be allowed to be on your own ?

[dragonkid]

Good luck with the search .. you DO know that the type of woman you seek - in the region you seek - will mean she;ll be chaperoned and you'll never be allowed to be on your own ?

Yes that is why i will do this later on in life, first learn the language, network, improve myself financially and physically. This is a lot harder than logging onto russiancupid and getting a girl that looks beautiful. I am trying to go for women that have 0 interest in foreigners.my ex would log everyday apparently to see if i was online, but i thought she was messaging guys, i then saw her russiancupid account, pages of unopened messages, she said she really had no interest in foreign men, i think she was paid to get guys to sign up. The women i am going after will be very hard work, especially seeing that i will be meeting them in person, so my russian needs to be good. In theory i don't see this working out, but i got no other choice, if i want a quality girl i need to go the extra mile.

[Maxx2]

Good luck with the search .. you DO know that the type of woman you seek - in the region you seek - will mean she'll be chaperoned and you'll never be allowed to be on your own ?

Chaperoning is in my opinion a good thing. It could keep us out of trouble. As I recently posted on another thread it might be a good idea to avoid intimacy especially sexual at first until you narrow it down to her being the likely Mrs (insert your name here). These guys and I'm not implying this to you DK, who jump from woman to woman and have sex as their first priority to check for in a potential wife are merely fooling themselves.

[Maxx2]

Yes that is why i will do this later on in life, first learn the language, network, improve myself financially and physically. This is a lot harder than logging onto russiancupid and getting a girl...

That will take a while. What of the idea of becoming a boy toy of a much older woman until you transform yourself? Older women are beautiful lovers according to the Country song.





   

[treadmilldude]

Obviously you should stop lying, you never read my thread, as i met one girl not many. I had the intention to be with her , but not to get married. In response to mies, i knew about the visa laws, i was planning on getting a work permit to remain in russia. I wanted to have kids and to remain with her, just without the marriage, i found and still find marriage illogical. it offers nothing to men, just financial obligation when things go south. It looks like i will need to get married if i want to remain in UK with my future wife, so i just need to make sure i choose a good woman.

Maxx is a good man, a very good man. I have had a chance to get to know Maxx through PM. You should be careful whom you call a liar here on RWD. Maxx does not fall into that category.

[mies]

Good luck with the search .. you DO know that the type of woman you seek - in the region you seek - will mean she'll be chaperoned and you'll never be allowed to be on your own ?

- the man won't be allowed to be seen with the family and the girl unless he officially proposed. even the visit of the man noticed by the neighbors presents grounds for tarnishing the family honor.
- he has to work hard to make not the girl like him, but her parents like him
- the risk to be murdered if the family thinks he dishonored the girl (and "dishonoring" does not necessarily mean sex)
- usually this extreme traditionalism is tightly linked to religion = he will have to convert to either Islam or Christian Orthodox
- sex will happen only after the wedding. Oh, wait. Wasn't he concerned for his partner to be affectionate?
- Caucas region has a mix of different ethnic groups. Depending on which one he decides to pursue, the type of M-F interaction and roles in the marriage will be very different.
- Can he even show the Caucus region on the map?

- he wants kids but doesn't want financial responsibility nor marriage. (why does one need kids if one doesn't believe in marriage? what's the urge to spread own genetic material?)
- right after he talks about not wanting financial responsibility for his wife nor kids, he says he wants to bring the whole family to UK.

A dreamer and a liar, adjusting the current version of his fluid story to suit the expectations of the people he is talking to.

"No-no, you got it all wrong. I am not a sex tourist. I want to get married to a virgin from Caucas region (but not one of those Muslim traditionalist, just a normal virgin in a headscarf), and pay for all her family to come to UK {on what grounds? I thought UK prohibits polygyny}. But until I am ready to do that (become sufficiently smart, rich and handsome) I suppose I have to just travel and screw up the lives of other girls. What other possible choices are there? None. Why I am still traveling on sex tours? You know, it's very difficult to find a Caucus girl and it takes time to become worthy for one. It is a hard work."

[treadmilldude]

Chaperoning is in my opinion a good thing. It could keep us out of trouble. As I recently posted on another thread it might be a good idea to avoid intimacy especially sexual at first until you narrow it down to her being the likely Mrs (insert your name here). These guys and I'm not implying this to you DK, who jump from woman to woman and have sex as their first priority to check for in a potential wife are merely fooling themselves.

Maxx and I think alike. Interesting how members on RWD call me weird for wanting to wait until my second visit to meet a girl in the FSU, but preferably our wedding night, to have sex for the first time. Some pros to waiting, and some cons as well. But there are definitely some pros to waiting.

[sleepycat]

I am eager to go to the caucus parts of Russia and meet a virgin,

Then we look forward to reading your trip report to Chechnya/Dagestan...
Be sure to include photos of some local beauties dressed in black from head to toe with only the eye slits visible. 

[dragonkid]

- the man won't be allowed to be seen with the family and the girl unless he officially proposed. even the visit of the man noticed by the neighbors presents grounds for tarnishing the family honor.
- he has to work hard to make not the girl like him, but her parents like him
- the risk to be murdered if the family thinks he dishonored the girl (and "dishonoring" does not necessarily mean sex)
- usually this extreme traditionalism is tightly linked to religion = he will have to convert to either Islam or Christian Orthodox
- sex will happen only after the wedding. Oh, wait. Wasn't he concerned for his partner to be affectionate?
- Caucas region has a mix of different ethnic groups. Depending on which one he decides to pursue, the type of M-F interaction and roles in the marriage will be very different.
- Can he even show the Caucus region on the map?

- he wants kids but doesn't want financial responsibility nor marriage. (why does one need kids if one doesn't believe in marriage? what's the urge to spread own genetic material?)
- right after he talks about not wanting financial responsibility for his wife nor kids, he says he wants to bring the whole family to UK.

A dreamer and a liar, adjusting the current version of his fluid story to suit the expectations of the people he is talking to.

"No-no, you got it all wrong. I am not a sex tourist. I want to get married to a virgin from Caucas region (but not one of those Muslim traditionalist, just a normal virgin in a headscarf), and pay for all her family to come to UK {on what grounds? I thought UK prohibits polygyny}. But until I am ready to do that (become sufficiently smart, rich and handsome) I suppose I have to just travel and screw up the lives of other girls. What other possible choices are there? None. Why I am still traveling on sex tours? You know, it's very difficult to find a Caucus girl and it takes time to become worthy for one. It is a hard work."

When did i say i don't want to take financial responsibility of my future kids? who said anything about polygyny? You are definitely skipping your meds, you are the pure definition of a bat crazy woman. Lord help the man that married you, and puts up with you.

[dragonkid]

- the man won't be allowed to be seen with the family and the girl unless he officially proposed. even the visit of the man noticed by the neighbors presents grounds for tarnishing the family honor.
- he has to work hard to make not the girl like him, but her parents like him
- the risk to be murdered if the family thinks he dishonored the girl (and "dishonoring" does not necessarily mean sex)
- usually this extreme traditionalism is tightly linked to religion = he will have to convert to either Islam or Christian Orthodox
- sex will happen only after the wedding. Oh, wait. Wasn't he concerned for his partner to be affectionate?
- Caucas region has a mix of different ethnic groups. Depending on which one he decides to pursue, the type of M-F interaction and roles in the marriage will be very different.
- Can he even show the Caucus region on the map?

- he wants kids but doesn't want financial responsibility nor marriage. (why does one need kids if one doesn't believe in marriage? what's the urge to spread own genetic material?)
- right after he talks about not wanting financial responsibility for his wife nor kids, he says he wants to bring the whole family to UK.

A dreamer and a liar, adjusting the current version of his fluid story to suit the expectations of the people he is talking to.

"No-no, you got it all wrong. I am not a sex tourist. I want to get married to a virgin from Caucas region (but not one of those Muslim traditionalist, just a normal virgin in a headscarf), and pay for all her family to come to UK {on what grounds? I thought UK prohibits polygyny}. But until I am ready to do that (become sufficiently smart, rich and handsome) I suppose I have to just travel and screw up the lives of other girls. What other possible choices are there? None. Why I am still traveling on sex tours? You know, it's very difficult to find a Caucus girl and it takes time to become worthy for one. It is a hard work."

I didn't want to say anything before out of respect, but don't push your past problems onto me. Just because you been screwed over in the past by guys like roosh, don't put your anger onto me. Maybe if you were a better person, you wouldn't of been passed around.

[mies]

When did i say i don't want to take financial responsibility of my future kids? who said anything about polygyny? You are definitely skipping your meds, you are the pure definition of a bat crazy woman. Lord help the man that married you, and puts up with you.

please, allow me to translate to normal people's language what you have said:

on financial responsibility: "I wanted to have kids and to remain with her, just without the marriage, i found and still find marriage illogical. it offers nothing to men, just financial obligation when things go south." - when you divorce, the "financial obligations" are the child support money. The fact that you divorce doesn't mean the kids disappear.

on polygyny: "I am eager to go to the caucus parts of Russia and meet a virgin, somebody who wants to get married. This will take a lot of effort,  .. i need to ... get a place big enough for us and her family"

On what grounds can you bring someone to UK? it should be either marriage, or "re-united family members" or work or refugees.
To employ them you need to have your own business and they should qualify for labor immigration. Refugees - already many in UK, not very likely. Re-united with family members - she'll need to get her citizenship first. How many years does it take for a spouse of a UK citizen to get permanent residence and citizenship? So basically marriage is the only and quickest option to bring her family to London and live all together on 5'000 GBP/mo. That is, if polygyny were legal in UK. There is such concept as "sarcasm", you probably never heard of it before.

Like I said. A dreamer filled with unrealistic delusions/fantasies, and a liar trying to find the legend that would please the person you are talking to.

Thank you for your kind wishes to my husband. He'll be amused to hear support words from a sex tourist who hasn't achieved anything in life.

[mies]

I didn't want to say anything before out of respect, but don't push your past problems onto me. Just because you been screwed over in the past by guys like roosh, don't put your anger onto me. Maybe if you were a better person, you wouldn't of been passed around.

I'll just quote this, so it can be stored and not edited )))
(or, poor me, if only I were a better person  )

Just stay away from Ukraine and keep your body parts to yourself.

[mies]

Then we look forward to reading your trip report to Chechnya/Dagestan...
Be sure to include photos of some local beauties dressed in black from head to toe with only the eye slits visible. 

me too :-)

Here is an experiment conducted in Moscow. First part of the video how Russian men react when visually non-Russian male mistreats Russian/Slavic woman. Second part of the video, starting at 1':55" how the "Caucas men" react when phenotypically Russian male harasses the "Caucas woman". The experiment had to be ended when one of the "Caucas men" made a credible threat to kill the offender of a female. Almost every Caucas male in the video threatened the "offender" with a physical violence or death, some referred to a woman they didn't know as "she is my sister".