My story of Russian women with pics

[Maxx2]

Mies, I sent you a PM about a question I have on the cost of living in Ukraine as would apply to me specifically. I am living in Georgia now and I know the cost of living is 1/3 of that of the US except on certain things. It is either near the same (imports and electronics) or a lot less (dentistry).

[Maxx2]

AT LEAST 100K a year, or don't even bother?  That is a rather restrictive statement.  What qualifies you to make such a blanket statement?


  Outside of ritzy areas of big cities here in the states, 100k can go a very long way.  Why would getting married REQUIRE 100K OR MORE?  Obviously a certain amount of money is normally necessary to go through the process, but many men don't need a salary of 100k or more, to attract, and create happiness/family for their lady. You make it sound like all Eastern European ladies need to be pampered like princesses.  I'm sure that isn't the case. 


Fathertime!   

A $100K is really $60K after taxes.

[jone]

AT LEAST 100K a year, or don't even bother?  That is a rather restrictive statement.  What qualifies you to make such a blanket statement?


  Outside of ritzy areas of big cities here in the states, 100k can go a very long way.  Why would getting married REQUIRE 100K OR MORE?  Obviously a certain amount of money is normally necessary to go through the process, but many men don't need a salary of 100k or more, to attract, and create happiness/family for their lady. You make it sound like all Eastern European ladies need to be pampered like princesses.  I'm sure that isn't the case. 


Fathertime!   

Did you open your mouth again?   

[fathertime]

A $100K is really $60K after taxes.

100k is less than 100k after taxes...BUT not usually near 60K....Here is a conservative example with a fictional family of 4, including such things as real estate and sales taxes...still higher than 60k after taxes.  I'm not seeing why a man would need a salary of at least 100k to even consider an Eastern European woman. 


http://www.richmondsavers.com/how-a-family-of-four-with-a-100000-yearly-income-pays-only-6400-in-federal-income-tax/

[fathertime]

Did you open your mouth again?   

No I didn't open my mouth...I moved my fingers and typed.  It was YOU that typed out silliness.  Of course you are unable to support your earlier statement!   


Fathertime! 

[Trenchcoat]

I know that. Some/many FSU women may not know it. Judging by their expectations. I loosely quoted the dialogue which actually took place, fairly recently.

One FSU woman new the benefits you could get in the UK I was communicating with a while back, she was Chinese in origin and probably not typical of what FSU know. She wanted a guy from UK because of the social security to raise kids, well at least she was honest, lol. I see her point but I didn't want a girl that would be with me with that such a high priority on her list so I stopped communication with her. Money wise an odd few girls probably stopped communication with me once they saw I was not at the top in my career, did me a favour of course as I want one focused on wanting family not on materialism. I see what you are saying though perhaps as long as the man handles the finances the woman need not be concerned as long as she is being provided for.

[Trenchcoat]

Muzh,

I know that Mies means well with that wouldn't , but, the type of guys she's targeting should not even dream of going over to Eastern Europe to look for a woman.  Unless you are making at least over $100,000 a year, this endeavor is not for you.  Go look at the Walmarts of America, instead.

I hate to be so rude, but the idea of raising a family and providing for an Eastern European wife on an income of less than that is not being fair to yourself or your future spouse and dooms you to failure even before you get on a plane.

US system my be different to UK, not as much social security, etc but that still sounds like a lot. What's to say you wouldn't attract a woman that would just take you for a ride with you earning so much. If the girl is family focused then a high earner will not be her priority. If it's a case of finding a girl to pamper it may not be a marriage that lasts long. I see showing a girl over excessive money as more of a hindrance than a help, there not that wealthy out there, it's a needless concern I think.

[jone]

Trenchcoat, that was a reasoned response.  Unlike the drivel we get from FatherTime.  As such I will be happy to defend my opinion, which is all it is.  I realize some on this forum do not make that much money and would like to believe themsevles active in the market.  But ultimately it comes down to the provider issue.
 
In the US, assuming you are making around a little over 8K monthly.  You offer your prospects to a woman you meet.  If you are lucky, your house payment is around 2k a month with taxes.  Your car payment / car insurance is now for two cars, not just one.  Let's go a grand for cars.  Now another mouth to feed, assume around 1000 a month in food bills.  Utilities and phones will cost another five hundred.  Insurance for the two of you, close to another six hundred.

You're at $5100 a month and that leaves you with $2900 of discretionary income.  Congratulations.  You have just met basic standards of living.    And you haven't paid SS or taxes yet. 

For most men here, they are looking to step up from the average AW in looks and age.  To do that, they have to realize that the women are also looking to step up in affluence and lifestyle.  And, most want a family.  Have you looked lately at how much it costs in the US to raise a child and get him through to college and beyond? In merry old England, I can tell you it is much cheaper to put one of yours through three years of undergrad.  I know.  One of mine went there.

So, yes.  I would put the benchmark for active participation in seeking an FSU woman at 100k if you live in US society.   There are exceptions to every rule.  But keep in mind, she will NOT be making income for the first year or two.  She will be totally dependent on you to provide.  And you better be a provider or you will find out what FSU 'tude can look like.

Again, this is my opinion.  I would welcome reasoned opinions from others.  But if I am talking to a guy just starting to look, I would tell him that he better bring home the bacon.

[Slumba]

woman living in FSU may not consider certain hobbies as "luxury" because in FSU they are not luxury. Here is an example (real life story). I spoke to a woman in Ukraine. She is in her late 30s, lives in the capital, wants to get married and have children (never been married before), bought apartment through mortgage, has a stable, non-stressful job with average income and good vacation schedule. She says she doesn't target rich men, she wants to find a stable good man, average income is fine. She doesn't plan to work if marries to a Westerner, because she wants to have children. She says she is low-maintenance and likes simple healthy things in life: gym, swimming pool, horse-riding classes, she has some health issues (not serious) and needs regular massages, she likes cafes, dining out at least once a week, she likes symphonic music, museums, also romantic walks in the parks, reading books and all that classic "good girl"'s list. I tell her: here are the cities in which you can live this sort of life, and this is how much the man must be making in order to afford all of that. She didn't believe me!! She said that's not true. She said she makes less than $1'000/mo, and she can afford all of that plus 2 vacations abroad per year. She is not rich, her income is not high, and she lives in a poor country. If the man lives in a developed Western country, and has average income, he should be able to afford all of that too. Especially if he lives in EU, because EU countries are socialistic and everything is affordable for people (or something along those lines).

The logic of an FSU woman is "I can afford it from my salary, I make much less than a WM, he can easily afford it as well, and more than that, I will not be a financial burden to him, my needs are very modest."

My reaction to the above:

1. warning flag: never married and past 35 . Something is not quite right about this girl.

2. Over 35, wants kids, never had a kid before.  Chances of conception: very low. She should have been looking 8 years ago.

3. Gym and swimming pool: not expensive. Horse-riding: sometimes expensive (depends really on what it means). Regular massage: not expensive.

4. What is expensive: ballet, theater. If living near a University or city > 1 million, classical music won't be expensive. But then again, cities of > 1 million are more expensive to live in.

5. If she is willing to work part-time, it may help with her adjustment to USA and should let her afford many small comforts/little luxuries.

6. Vacations abroad : if just "somewhere warm for 10 days during the winter, by some water" easy. If "2 weeks in Italy including Madrid and listening to opera" more difficult.

I would say at a minimum to satisfy this, you are talking $75K in a "less expensive" city and $100K in a "more expensive city".  If in California, New Jersey, or Miami, $125K - which puts the man in the "top 5% of earners" across the USA.

Unless the man is 55+ he will look for younger than late 30s IMHO.

[BillyB]

Most FSU women in America are married to FSU men. I doubt most FSU men are making $100k so why would the FSU women stay with them? Why don't those FSU people return home? It's because they still have a better life here after all expenses are paid.


Certainly the worse a man's attitude, personality, and character is, the more he's going to have to spend on his wife to keep her happy for putting up with his BS and flaws. But if the guy is great to live with, the majority of FSU women would enjoy an average American life with him. The important thing is choosing the right woman.


My wife is good with fashion and knows how to look good. She won't buy used clothes but she shops at Goodwill sometimes and buys new designer stuff that others donated. She won't buy a $1500 Gucci handbag but she will pay $12 for that Gucci handbag at Goodwill. I'm impressed she's trying to take care of our money. But if she was the type of woman that likes to pay full price for Gucci and designer clothes, I would definitely need to make 100k a year. Life is good for me right now but I have comfort knowing that if I hit hard times, my wife will stick with me as long as I make an effort to work hard for the family.

[fathertime]

Trenchcoat, that was a reasoned response.  Unlike the drivel we get from FatherTime.  As such I will be happy to defend my opinion, which is all it is.  I realize some on this forum do not make that much money and would like to believe themsevles active in the market.  But ultimately it comes down to the provider issue.
 

Actually my original inquiry was completely levelheaded.  I questioned your drivel politely, it twas your reaction that was all upset, and predictably so!

  If you are lucky, your house payment is around 2k a month with taxes.  Your car payment / car insurance is now for two cars, not just one.  Let's go a grand for cars.  Now another mouth to feed, assume around 1000 a month in food bills.  Utilities and phones will cost another five hundred.  Insurance for the two of you, close to another six hundred.

If this is how you came up with your numbers you are mathematically challenged..and you bloated all your numbers to make your ridiculous assertion work.   


Median home price in the USA is around 300K ....at current mortgage interest rates the payment with taxes would be around....$1250...assuming an 10% down payment. 


Who says you need two 500 dollar a month cars that you are paying on simultaneously?   


Utilities and phones $500 a month...possible...I have 5 phones at around $200...most won't have that many...Utilities, depends on where you live...I spend much less, others more I'm sure. 

1000 A month on food?  What a whopper that one is!   1000 a month on meals isn't a necessary amount of money in 2016.   


Maybe you feel you have to lead with your wallet to make up for something else....but it sure isn't necessary to make 100K minimum salary to be qualified to give it a go with a woman from E. Europe.  There are lots guys that can make less, and be just fine. 


Your numbers are way off, and are just an indirect way to let people know you are 'wealthy' and others aren't worthy of travelling to 'your' Eastern Europe.  Straight hogwash!   


Fathertime! 

[alex330]

I'd have to agree with Jone and Slumba's number crunching.

A couple can of course get by with less but sacrifices will have to be made in one or more areas.

A smaller home, a used car that is paid off, less vacation time, or the woman having to work would need to be options.

[alex330]

Where do you live FT?

Most of Jones numbers seem on the low side even... and he left out the cosmetics and clothing bills.

The one exception would be food. We can spend $500 a month maybe and eat ribeye, lobster, etc.

[fathertime]

Where do you live FT?

Most of Jones numbers seem on the low side even...

The one exception would be food. We can spend $500 a month maybe and eat ribeye, lobster, etc.

I'm in Southern California.  Housing is more expensive here than most of the country, so I wouldn't use our median home price as a barometer for the nation's populace.  Yeah, 500 a month for food maybe close, or even high number for some, but Jone said 1000 a month...presumably for a couple...of course that can be easily done...but isn't necessary. 


Cars...why is it necessary to be paying 500 a month on two cars at the same time for 1000 a month? That isn't a requirement.  It is a luxury!  I don't even have a payment on my car, and I'm sure many others don't either!   


Much of the populous doesn't live in an expensive city.  I don't see 100K as a 'requirement' to even pursue the E. European ladies. It is a ridiculous assertion to lump all the ladies as having requirements like that! 


Fathertime! 

[alex330]

Yeah, 500 a month for food maybe close, or even high number for some, but Jone said 1000 a month...presumably for a couple...of course that can be easily done...but isn't necessary. 

Agreed that $500 is normal for many if you eat at home.

Most women like to go out to dinner every now and then. Sushi for $60, Pho for $25, a few lunches here and there and a $100 dinner once a month and you come close.

When she arrives she will want to meet you for lunch in the middle of the day since she sits home alone for long hours. Hopefully a guy lucks out and his wife packs a picnic to meet you at a park by work like mine did.

Cars...why is it necessary to be paying 500 a month on two cars at the same time for 1000 a month? That isn't a requirement.  It is a luxury!  I don't even have a payment on my car, and I'm sure many others don't either!

You could obviously cut down on this one. But what about maintenance?  Tires, a blown tranny, or the front bumper ripped off while wife learns to drive (true story).  Add gas to the equation and you are at 1k.

I don't see 100K as a 'requirement' to even pursue the E. European ladies.

I read a study and the average income for men filing K1 was around 60k or so? No idea if that was for FSUW or all K1 VISA filings. It is not a "requirement" but I think many men may be setting themselves up for problems if they are not up there somewhat close.

Guys need to think about all these things when going into this.

[msmobyone]

My reaction to the above:

1. warning flag: never married and past 35 . Something is not quite right about this girl.

OMG - You are describing SC..

2. Over 35, wants kids, never had a kid before.  Chances of conception: very low. She should have been looking 8 years ago.

Still describing SC .. her child died at birth - may be some ladies are fussy [ some might say not too wise ]  with whom they wish to breed ? 


The trouble with sensible advice, is .. it suddenly doesn't seem sensible - if you are in that situation...

I know plenty of 35 years - and older - woman here - who choose to remain single - dating - but they have grown to like their own space.

I've been married two times - Isn't that some sort of 'red flag', too ?

[Slumba]

OMG - You are describing SC..


Still describing SC .. her child died at birth - may be some ladies are fussy [ some might say not too wise ]  with whom they wish to breed ? 


The trouble with sensible advice, is .. it suddenly doesn't seem sensible - if you are in that situation...

I know plenty of 35 years - and older - woman here - who choose to remain single - dating - but they have grown to like their own space.

I've been married two times - Isn't that some sort of 'red flag', too ?

I said warning flag, not red flag, about not being married before; what I mean is, it is unusual. For a guy coming from a completely different culture and language, something to understand before he makes a big commitment.

I am sorry to hear that she lost a child, I won't pry further about that. One of my sisters had 2 ectopic pregnancies before going on to have 2 healthy boys. Those failed pregnancies were emotionally painful for my sister.

[Maxx2]

I've been married two times - Isn't that some sort of 'red flag', too ?

In some places you ARE the red flag     


I've been married twice also. My previous wife was Russian, an import by me. So that is REALLY considered a red flag in this endeavor. Red flags should attract some attention but should not be the source for an automatic rejection. Red flags just mean look a little closer that's all.

[msmobyone]

I said warning flag, not red flag, about not being married before; what I mean is, it is unusual. For a guy coming from a completely different culture and language, something to understand before he makes a big commitment.

I am sorry to hear that she lost a child, I won't pry further about that. One of my sisters had 2 ectopic pregnancies before going on to have 2 healthy boys. Those failed pregnancies were emotionally painful for my sister.

Thanks for your clarification and understanding

[msmobyone]

In some places you ARE the red flag 

    

[cc3]

My reaction to the above:

 6. Vacations abroad : if just "somewhere warm for 10 days during the winter, by some water" easy. If "2 weeks in Italy including Madrid and listening to opera" more difficult.

A refresher on geography may be necessary before venturing abroad. 

[Slumba]

A refresher on geography may be necessary before venturing abroad. 

A finger fumble... I meant Milan of course. Then again, maybe they will connect via Madrid 

[dragonkid]

What I learnt from when I was over there (in the Ukraine) is that it is a very poor country, sure a few our richer than others there but most are pretty poor. 1k a month in British Pound would be wealthy compared to many Ukrainians income never mind 5k. The good exchange rate obviously skews the perception, but I think most stuff is generally cheaper out there at any rate - a meal for two is about £4 where outside the 1980s could you get that in the UK, lol. Coming back here of course a reasonable salary is helpful as we wouldn't be getting stuff at Ukraine prices yet even here there is the welfare state as a safety net/financial aid to supplement income in worse case scenario. 5k per month is nice but probably no real need to head for the stars on that one, moderate income, i.e able to support a family will do, though of course London is not cheap.

Language wise many know English from the six years they spent learning it at school, plus emphasis is put on learning it out there. Still handy to learn Ukrainian/Russian but not essential in the early days I think. Best just to get out there and jump in look for someone perhaps by which ever method suits. My own personal preference is to not talk about money too much with a girl, such as the one I met. I think few decent girls ask that much and letting on how wealthy you may be has the danger of attracting girls after you for your money rather than wanting to be with you whatever. Money talk or displays of wealth, expensive gifts etc is just a mistake I feel.

first thing is it doesn't matter how much you make really, all that matters is your disposable income. The house i live in is worth £2.5k a month, and that is the cheapest in London. No point for me staying in London if my expenses out weighs what i bring to the table. Minimum I need is £5k a month, after taxes I am looking at £4k a month.Leaves me £1.5k for food, and expenses, savings for holidays.

This is why I was contemplating on leaving London and living abroad, if I am not earning £5k a month from a business outside renting properties, which has no need of me to stay here. i might as well live abroad, take my rental income and live like a king in a cheaper country. Save my money, reinvest it,read rich dad poor dad, some people earn a lot, but their expenses eats all that money up. People believe it or not like living in london, i don't like or dislike anything, all it is for me is numbers, i see what i bring to the table by remaining in london.

Don't shy away from talking about money when you meet someone and get to know them. I eliminated all expectations on how my ex perceived life is like for Londoners. I told her all the expenses, property prices, she hated London after i gave her a clear view of what life is really like. I told her all the horror stories, how people spend their whole lives paying off a mortgage, and then die. If she is still with you after you scare the shit out of her, then she is a keeper. I made it out like living in Russia is better, and i think i told her this a few times, at least Russians who have a little bit of money, live better than an average brit. I told her the philosophy of how some people with a little bit of money live better than some people who make a lot and just pay landlords.At the end she was stressed out and saw no need in leaving russia, she had a good life in russia, she liked clothes and watches, and i told her if she was expecting rolex's from me or designer bags, she had the wrong guy. She told me her expectations, i rather know both of us were on the same page, than live in a false fantasy. Her coming over to UK, expecting to live the high life, and being let down, stressing me out etc.

[msmobyone]

first thing is it doesn't matter how much you make really, all that matters is your disposable income. The house i live in is worth £2.5k a month, and that is the cheapest in London.

DK you are busted for fibbing

'cheapest' - 2.5k GBP/ month
http://tinyurl.com/dk-is-lying

Searching 3-4 beds, detached houses 2.25-2.5 k GBP / month

[dragonkid]

DK you are busted for fibbing

'cheapest' - 2.5k GBP/ month

http://tinyurl.com/dk-is-fibbing

My house has a garden, you need a front and back garden, not everyone wants to live in a prison. Plus room sizes need to be adequate, depends. Anyways i wouldn't want to raise my family in enfield.

Edit
I should if specified, detached houses.


This is a good house in london, which is in a nice area. Looking at around £3.25k a month in mortgage repayments.

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-41082090.html

This is the middle class area of london.