RW Women's jobs

[andrewfi]

michelangelo, the point I was making was that most guys would not know the difference when importing their woman, or making a selection. It was not mentioned in this thread until I raised it.

So, in general, I know that if a woman from the FSU states on a MOB profile that she is a 'doctor' that she probably is not, at least not as I would recognise one. That her training would not allow her to practice as a doctor in the US and that full retraining would be required, if indeed she had the intellectual cpacity to be a doctor, the language skills to keep up, was young enough to be considered a good bet for an internship and young enough to be even offered a place for study - many schools do not take students will be approaching retirement age before they are fully qualified.

So, between the realities of preparing to be a doctor in the US, if a 'real' doctor in Russia and the retraining required to become a proper doctor if not previously one, I think we can safely agree that a sensible time scale for most women who have medical qualifications in Russia might well be 7-8 years. The only point in dispute is whether the AMA have a hand in shaping the requirements for foreign doctors to qualify. As a trade guild this is a fundamental part of their raison d'etre and so, whether overtly or by more covert means, I am sure that they DO influence the process by which foreigners are able to practice as doctors in areas where Americans want to practice.

It used to be suggested that 'doctors' marrying American guys might be well served to get requalified as support staff or lab staff, or even back crackers.

[PeeWee]

Boy, what a bickering match.. glad I watched the soccer match instead.

Bad hair day anyone?  :hairraising:

I think anyone evaluating their prospective mates work potential has a nut loose anyway.  I understand that coming from somewhat related professional fields can increase common discussion topics but that's about as far as it should go.  Every time I hear someone mention dating a doctor I shake my head.. funny.. I never ran across a doctor chasing a doctor hanging around RW related fora.

I really didn't care what profession my wife had.  Sure I enjoy her field of expertise immensely but it's a non-issue as far as our marriage goes.  My wife can and does give injections around here when needed (the doctors here usually don't) so that's as much doctor as I feel comfortable with.  I was much more interested in her qualities as a woman and not her profession.

Whatever profession your future bride or fiance has, when they immigrate they will just have to deal with whatever is necessary to carry on their profession if they so desire. No discussion here will change that.

Seems the intent in this thread is skewed more towards evaluating and justifying whether or not it is a good choice to marry women of a particular profession or not.. like the recent bad teeth thread it's something that the individuals involved will have to learn to accept and deal with.  As far as choice goes it's all about money.  Marrying a woman requiring dental work will be expensive as is marrying a doctor or other professional that wants to continue in their field but requires a long certification process. 

He: My 'main squeeze' is a doctor that wants to practice in the US.
We: That's a long, tough process buddy and could be quite expensive.
He: ahh.. :brightidea: gotcha~






 

The thread is taking different directions. I agree with you in that it should not make a difference what it is that she does but what it is that she will do might be good for a conversation before she arrives. I have said it, I'd like to find out what her dream job is and then help her figure out how she will realize it.

Peewee

[Michelangelo]

michelangelo, the point I was making was that most guys would not know the difference when importing their woman, or making a selection. It was not mentioned in this thread until I raised it.

So, in general, I know that if a woman from the FSU states on a MOB profile that she is a 'doctor' that she probably is not, at least not as I would recognise one. That her training would not allow her to practice as a doctor in the US and that full retraining would be required, if indeed she had the intellectual capacity to be a doctor, the language skills to keep up, was young enough to be considered a good bet for an internship and young enough to be even offered a place for study - many schools do not take students will be approaching retirement age before they are fully qualified.

So, between the realities of preparing to be a doctor in the US, if a 'real' doctor in Russia and the retraining required to become a proper doctor if not previously one, I think we can safely agree that a sensible time scale for most women who have medical qualifications in Russia might well be 7-8 years. The only point in dispute is whether the AMA have a hand in shaping the requirements for foreign doctors to qualify. As a trade guild this is a fundamental part of their raison d'etre and so, whether overtly or by more covert means, I am sure that they DO influence the process by which foreigners are able to practice as doctors in areas where Americans want to practice.

It used to be suggested that 'doctors' marrying American guys might be well served to get requalified as support staff or lab staff, or even back crackers.

Yes, Andrew, I understand and I agree with you on all points.  Men do need to recognize that all doctors do not have equal credentials in the FSU.  Only a few match up to US training and residency.  Those were the docs we were discussing, and what they would have to do to practice in one of our fifty US states.

And, please note, my comments were directed at AMA requirements for foreign docs, not to the issue "if" a female doc would make a good wife.

[PeeWee]

Something that has not been mentioned in this thread is this:

In Russia there are somewhat different gradations of professional qualification. There are those in Russia who are called 'doctor', at least in English, but who do not have the kind of training that would merit the appellation in the UK, or US. IIRC it is possible to have a professional medical qualification, in Russia at least, in just two years of training, follwing university. I am no expert, but my recalled understanding is that this equates to something like we have in the UK, where we have nurses who are involved in patient management and who can prescribe drugs etc. We call these people nurses, not doctors. In Russia these people are referred to as doctors.

There are also many 'doctors' whose training came from the army. These people are again not what we would call doctors, no matter what they might call themselves...

Now, should such a 'doctor' wish to practice medicine in the UK, or US, (s)he would have to undergo a full training programme. Of course, there are many more of these lower grade 'doctors' than there are fully qualified ones and I hazard a guess that this means that most wife hunters would be more likely to meet these types of women than proper clinicians.

If one looks in the archives one will find plenty of references to this issue, one would probably need to look back perhaps 4-5 years. The doctor importing fashion was rife back then. I wonder just how many men were taken in by promises of huge incomes based upon the hopes of their 'wives' and their own greedy self delusion?

Probably not too many greedy ones. First and foremost one has to ask themselves, is this person a mouth breather or is she smart enough to function in society. Next is what is her dream. Whatever it is that she wants to do then you should know it before she arrives in case it does not match with your idea and then be prepared to help her pursue her dream.

If you are ready to pay for 20K in dental work then why would you not be willing to pay for 20K in education so that she can be what it is that she wants to be.



peewee

[PeeWee]

Am I the only one who was offended by this insult on a member who has never intended you any harm? You could be the Don Rickles of RWD but at least Don backed up his comments with a sense of humor.

I have seen pictures of your wife and she is quite attractive. Where did Bruno enter into the picture? I know T/G was joking with you, but for you to insult Bruno is inexcusable in my opinion.

Maybe, unless jb and Bruno have a history and Bruno understood that jb was just poking fun at him...kind of like an inside joke. Turboguy can call me peewee brain if he likes because I have taken to calling him Turbogay. It's banter. Otherwise, our moderator is asleep at the swich because you are right, it is offensive and should not be tolerated. I didn't notice Bruno protesting much about it. If I had decided to call jb a "nigger", or he calls turbo, Angelo, and me "homos" then is that any better of worse than him calling Bruno a dumb and ugly gardner with bad teeth?

Peewee

[Son of Clyde]

I see it a 4 insults.
1) dumb, not true
2) ugly, not true
3) gardner, I don't think so
4) bad teeth - this is like telling someone they have bad body odor it is embarrassing to the person being insulted and it makes the insulter look pretty small.

I have never seen Bruno insult anyone on the board or maybe I am not reading everything he posts.

[Turboguy]

jb has had a pick at Bruno for a long time.  I agree, I have never seen Bruno post one hurtful comment about anyone.  I have seen Bruno put a lot of time and effort into trying to add information about a subject and trying to be helpful.  Yes, he uses Google a lot.  That is not a bad thing.  He gets some good data from it. Anyone who takes his time to research a subject and try to give additonal information is doing a positive thing.

Yes, I like to poke little barbs at jb.  Most of them are something I think is funny.  I agree I don't see Bruno as dumb in anyway.  I don't see him as ugly.  He is doing work her likes.  I never saw his teeth to comment.  If I did I would not comment one way or the other.  Every morning when I get up I am happy that my teeth are still there and hope they will be a while.  What ever is in his mouth is his business and the insult showed a person with no class, no tact and no sensitivity.

Most of us can poke fun at each other and both laugh.  jb really needs to develop a sense of humor and some compassion for other people.  No person with any degree of class treats people the way he does.  jb has some good knowlege and good ideas.  To try and express them the way he does is like trying to box with both hands tied behind your back.  People see comments like that and just think jb must be some low life and ignore the good ideas he is trying to make.  jb should really get himself a copy of "How to win friends and influence people" He should read it over and over.  Not that he needs to make friends, but he could really gain from learning how to influence people.  I have read that book about 6 times or more myself as well as taken the Dale Carnege course. 

[Bruno]

I agree, I have never seen Bruno post one hurtful comment about anyone.

Not fully true... in the beginning, i have sometime loose control and react hardly to some nasty comment... But with the time, certainly due to the hard character of these forum, i have learn to control myself...

I don't see him as ugly

I don't care if some guy find me ugly or not... What count for me is that lady's find that i have some charm and some are attracted by me... really, i have not interest in men 

I never saw his teeth to comment.

It is a problem from my young time... good dentine but bad enamel... so, my teeth are not so white and ask more visit to dentist for clean them... and i have more fast caries... these imperfection is called Amelogenesis imperfecta and nothing can be make for change it...

3) gardner, I don't think so

Same if on paper i am a state official ( employee ), my work consist of take care of the "green heritage" of the city... so, i am really a Gardener... nothing really bad with this, i think 

Really strange that on a topic called "RW Women's jobs", we begin speak about me... that i am insulted without have make some post... yet, it is RWD in all his splendor !

[PeeWee]

jb has had a pick at Bruno for a long time.  I agree, I have never seen Bruno post one hurtful comment about anyone.  I have seen Bruno put a lot of time and effort into trying to add information about a subject and trying to be helpful.  Yes, he uses Google a lot.  That is not a bad thing.  He gets some good data from it. Anyone who takes his time to research a subject and try to give additonal information is doing a positive thing.

Yes, I like to poke little barbs at jb.  Most of them are something I think is funny.  I agree I don't see Bruno as dumb in anyway.  I don't see him as ugly.  He is doing work her likes.  I never saw his teeth to comment.  If I did I would not comment one way or the other.  Every morning when I get up I am happy that my teeth are still there and hope they will be a while.  What ever is in his mouth is his business and the insult showed a person with no class, no tact and no sensitivity.

Most of us can poke fun at each other and both laugh.  jb really needs to develop a sense of humor and some compassion for other people.  No person with any degree of class treats people the way he does.  jb has some good knowlege and good ideas.  To try and express them the way he does is like trying to box with both hands tied behind your back.  People see comments like that and just think jb must be some low life and ignore the good ideas he is trying to make.  jb should really get himself a copy of "How to win friends and influence people" He should read it over and over.  Not that he needs to make friends, but he could really gain from learning how to influence people.  I have read that book about 6 times or more myself as well as taken the Dale Carnege course. 

I like Bruno. But not in a gay way.

Peewee

[Turboguy]

I am sure your future special person is glad about that.  I think Bruno is a good guy.

[KenC]

jb has had a pick at Bruno for a long time.  I agree, I have never seen Bruno post one hurtful comment about anyone.  I have seen Bruno put a lot of time and effort into trying to add information about a subject and trying to be helpful.  Yes, he uses Google a lot.  That is not a bad thing.  He gets some good data from it. Anyone who takes his time to research a subject and try to give additonal information is doing a positive thing.

Yes, I like to poke little barbs at jb.  Most of them are something I think is funny.  I agree I don't see Bruno as dumb in anyway.  I don't see him as ugly.  He is doing work her likes.  I never saw his teeth to comment.  If I did I would not comment one way or the other.  Every morning when I get up I am happy that my teeth are still there and hope they will be a while.  What ever is in his mouth is his business and the insult showed a person with no class, no tact and no sensitivity.

Most of us can poke fun at each other and both laugh.  jb really needs to develop a sense of humor and some compassion for other people.  No person with any degree of class treats people the way he does.  jb has some good knowlege and good ideas.  To try and express them the way he does is like trying to box with both hands tied behind your back.  People see comments like that and just think jb must be some low life and ignore the good ideas he is trying to make.  jb should really get himself a copy of "How to win friends and influence people" He should read it over and over.  Not that he needs to make friends, but he could really gain from learning how to influence people.  I have read that book about 6 times or more myself as well as taken the Dale Carnege course. 

Turbo,
So tell me please how your post is any less insulting than jb's? Let me remind you that it was your insensitive post that brought all this on in the first place.  And please don't hide behind the "I was only joking" crap.
KenC

[PeeWee]

Turbo,
So tell me please how your post is any less insulting than jb's? Let me remind you that it was your insensitive post that brought all this on in the first place.  And please don't hide behind the "I was only joking" crap.
KenC

Seems pretty tame compared to some of the wild claims made by jb. I too believe that if you choose to dish it out that you should also accept the responsibility of what comes with that. To be able to take in turn that which you so willing gave. Same is same.

Peewee

[Turboguy]

Turbo,
So tell me please how your post is any less insulting than jb's? Let me remind you that it was your insensitive post that brought all this on in the first place.  And please don't hide behind the "I was only joking" crap.
KenC

OK Ken, I would be happy to do exactly that.   My post was insulting to jb for something that jb did.  jb's post was insulting to Bruno for something I did.   That is the difference.  If he would have insulted me that would have been fine.   Well actually he did insult me, which I had forgotten about because I had it coming and took no offence.  There was no excuse for his nasty comments about Bruno.

Going back to my original comment jb has complained many times about Bruno's Googling posts.  He then posted a bunch of stuff his wife had looked up on other forums.   To me, it is one and the same.  I just saw a similarity and saw a chance to have a little fun with it.  I did not mean it to be an insult to his wife.  I think it was good that she went to the trouble to research the subject just as I appreciate it when Bruno takes his time and researches something for us.   The cold hard reality is that what she did is exactly what Bruno does that he seems to have such a problem with.   I still think both were trying to be helpful.

Yes, I saw it as a joke.  Just as PeeWee can call me Turbogay and we can laugh about it and I can call PeeWee PeeWee brain and we can laugh about it.   So you and he don't think it is funny.  I apologized for my remark.   While I am on that subject, I think I owe Bruno an apology and I would like to say, Bruno, I am sorry I got you dragged into this.  You did not deserve it.

Ken, The cold hard reality of it is that jb can repeatedly make hurtful and nasty comments about other peoples wife's and girlfriends with no humor intended or imply ed.  He thinks that is just fine.  I don't and a lot of other people don't.

Truthfully Ken, I see jb as a guy with a wealth of knowledge and a willingness to help other people.  He just really needs to learn to be a little more compassionate and tactful but at his age, I don't think he is going to change.  Maybe my comments were my attempt to use the clue bat on him.   I should have learned from his using it on Photoguy that the clue bat is the wrong way to go.

Yes Ken, I am guilty of stirring up a hornets nest.   I was wrong.  I should have realized jb does not have a sense of humor.    jb has a lot of good points and a few weaknesses.  Non of us is perfect.  I just think he could help people a lot more with his experience and ideas if he would be a little less nasty.

[Vaughn]

KenC wrote:

Let me remind you that it was your insensitive post that brought all this on in the first place.

Ummmm....when KenC posts, I read carefully ~ SO ~ I started at the beginning. KenC, please go back and read Replies #2 through 7 and
lemme know if maybe you....   never mind.

This thread went to hell long ago. What's the point? As baseless as the
board deemed LP's condemnation some months back, I'm noting plenty of
dysfunctional behavior. There've been precious few tidbits of good information swaddled in six pages of muck & mire.

We're short on thrones for all these experts....

[Turboguy]

   Good post Vaughn

[Vaughn]

  T/G, people who know me personally say I'm a
paradigm of patience, but I find I often lose it here.

  It's damn hard for a FSU doctor to make the transition
into his/her equivalent American medical specialty. A
considerable degree of difficulty applies to other fields as well,
depending on many factors. The number of years to realize
a successful transition varies widely. There are trends, but
no recipe book. Kudos to all who know otherwise.

  My wife, a former FSU teacher, made a switch to banking
when opportunity arose. She's happy with it, I'm happy with
it - and that's all that really matters.

  So, T/G, what's it like, being gay?

 

[KenC]

Turbo,
I fail to see how your put downs of jb are any less insulting than what he himself writes from time to time.  Unless you consider the fact that you have two other posters willing to chime in blindly every time one of you gets a taste of jb's ire. I for one find it border line vengeance on you and your buddies part.  It is as though the three of you are waiting for the chance to pile on jb at every chance.

I don't agree with everything jb writes, but I find myself agreeing a lot more than disagreeing.  He is opinionated and very direct, but I like people like that.  Much more than people who filter their insults in amongst some less inflammatory verbage (like you do).

Who in the hell appointed you, Peewee and Michelangelo the  conscience of this forum anyway?  I must of missed the day the vote was taken.  The three of you can go somewhere else and circle jerk each other off in private because it gets a little disgusting seeing it done here in public.  If you added up the total value and the total helpfulness of the posts from the three of you, it would not equal half of what jb has shared here. Sure, jb gets edgy at times, and most of us take that as his way and accept it.  He sure doesn't hide behind his words claiming not to be saying what he has said, like you do and have done.
KenC

[Bruno]

Who in the hell appointed you, Peewee and Michelangelo the  conscience of this forum anyway?

Ken, maybe the rah-rah club is not the conscience of these forum... but what about the pickle barrel club?

I think that everybody have the right to be on these forum but nobody have the right to insult other...

Some members here show enough courtesy to other meaning... sometime, they don't agree with post from other but they stay polite...

I think that people like BC, Dan, Catzenmouse, Vaugh, Shadow,etc... are perfect example of how people can lead a discussion without transform it in a forum war...

These topic was a interesting one but all these fight have make it somehow difficult to read... i think that a moderator need to delete all the post concerning these fight, and keep only the valuable information related to the topic.

[Michelangelo]

Who in the hell appointed you, Peewee and Michelangelo the  conscience of this forum anyway? 

What do I have to do with this, KenC?  All I did in this strand was to truthfully state the factual information concerning what an FSU doc must do in order to practice medicine in the US.  Yes, what JB posted was incorrect.

That does not mean that it's easy to become an MD in the US for a doctor from another country.  But you DO NOT have to go to medical school again.  You do residency and pass the exams.  That's it.  I hate to see incorrect information posted, so it was important to state accurate information.

And by the way, I think wives and fiancees should be off limits to criticim on this forum.  JB is the one who brought his wife up.  And that was AFTER he blasted my fiancee, the girl I have been with almost a year and whom he knew was my wife to be. 

Upstream in this strand, Turbo apologized to JB for comparing the surfing habits of JB's wife to Bruno.  At that time, I asked JB to apolgogize for essentially calling my fiancee something much much worse.

To date, he has not apologized.

[ConnerVT]

That does not mean that it's easy to become an MD in the US for a doctor from another country.  But you DO NOT have to go to medical school again.  You do residency and pass the exams.  That's it.  I hate to see incorrect information posted, so it was important to state accurate information.

And what percentage of Russian trained doctors do you believe are capable of passing the exams without the additional training they would get from American medical colleges?  My guess is it is a rather small percentage.  Now, combine that with a strong enough English ability to accomplish this, an even smaller percentage.

These skills would make such a person possess the ability to command a very successful career in Russia.  They would be in high demand in the lucrative private Western style medical centers.  A very big fish in a small pond.  Why would anyone chose to leave this to fight their way back to the top in the West?

Locating a place to do their residency would also be a great challenge.  The best residencies are usually awarded to the top, brightest stars graduating from the better medical colleges.  Lesser spots are given to those associated with the teaching hospitals.  Walking in with a passing grade on your exams and education from an unknown foreign college would probably get you a polite "Thank you, we will consider you" and not much more.

The rules as they are written on paper, and the rules of the street, usually are not the same...

[Turboguy]

Good morning.  I have a lot of catching up to do here.

Vaughn,  Yes, it is interesting to see what is involved.  Sounds like quite a process.  I have enjoyed all the input.  I have always tended to shy away from FSU Doctors primarily because it can be a very demanding field.  I think after all the good input I may remove that from my thoughts one way or the other.

What is it like being gay?  It is all so new I have not had a chance to adjust yet.  It has not been that long since jb appointed the three of us gay that we need more time to give you an intelligent answer.  

Ken, you know what they say about opinions.   Everyone has one.    As far as being borderline vengeance.  Vengeance is trying to hurt someone who has hurt you.  jb has never hurt me in any way.  Actually, I like jb.  I just don't like the way he tries to put his ideas across.  If I have a motive at all it is to help him learn to present his ideas in an effective way and also perhaps to make RWD a friendlier and more helpful place.  I can find some of his directness and bluntness entertaining.  I agree with that.  Sometimes he carries it a bit to far.

Ken, as far as who appointed us anything.  I was only about half following this post.  It is good info but does not pertain to anything I have to deal with personally so I would just scan it every once in a while.  I never even read the post where jb anointed us gay until Vaughn pointed out where it was last night.  I knew it existed but was not sure even what thread it was in.  jb dragged me into this.  I did not drag jb into it.  I sat on the sidelines and didn't post anything for a long time.  jb is the one who took this thread of topic.  He is the one who anointed us whatever we are.  The other guys were constructively discussing the requirements to become a Dr in the US when jb went on the attack.  I was sitting there minding my own business and trying to get ready for my trip tomorrow.

[BC]

Seems this valid topic is turning into a continuation of the ol *snip* thread (I added *snip*)

I move that a pruned version of this thread be moved to the FAQ section and the rest either trashed or converted to a 'Should RWD be PC' thread in NHB.

Anyone wanna second the motion?

Prune and trash or prune and scratch the itch till it bleeds in NHB?

[PeeWee]

  T/G, people who know me personally say I'm a
paradigm of patience, but I find I often lose it here.

  It's damn hard for a FSU doctor to make the transition
into his/her equivalent American medical specialty. A
considerable degree of difficulty applies to other fields as well,
depending on many factors. The number of years to realize
a successful transition varies widely. There are trends, but
no recipe book. Kudos to all who know otherwise.

  My wife, a former FSU teacher, made a switch to banking
when opportunity arose. She's happy with it, I'm happy with
it - and that's all that really matters.

  So, T/G, what's it like, being gay?

 

Are you saying that because it is hard to do that they should be discouraged from trying? I think not. Two of my neighbors are foreign degreed doctors. One from Hong Kong one from Burma. Burma could be no more backward in its medical colleges than most of you seem to think Russia is. Yet she is now a US certified doctor. She told me that is was hard to do and that a person has to be smart to accomplish it. But it can be done. The AMA says that a full 25% of the doctors currently practicing in the US are foreign trained doctors. It was probably hard for all of them. So what do we do? Throw up our hands and tell our FSU doctor friends that it is too hard for them and that they should consider working at McDonalds instead? How demeening and how under estimating of us pompus Americans to suggest that to these bright yound women.

Peewee

[PeeWee]

Ken, maybe the rah-rah club is not the conscience of these forum... but what about the pickle barrel club?

I think that everybody have the right to be on these forum but nobody have the right to insult other...

Some members here show enough courtesy to other meaning... sometime, they don't agree with post from other but they stay polite...

I think that people like BC, Dan, Catzenmouse, Vaugh, Shadow,etc... are perfect example of how people can lead a discussion without transform it in a forum war...

These topic was a interesting one but all these fight have make it somehow difficult to read... i think that a moderator need to delete all the post concerning these fight, and keep only the valuable information related to the topic.

Oh...it's called the "Pickle Barrel Club"! I thought it was the Pickle Packers, which in is self sounded a bit gay to me. Thanks for the clarification.

Peewee

[PeeWee]

Turbo,
I fail to see how your put downs of jb are any less insulting than what he himself writes from time to time.  Unless you consider the fact that you have two other posters willing to chime in blindly every time one of you gets a taste of jb's ire. I for one find it border line vengeance on you and your buddies part.  It is as though the three of you are waiting for the chance to pile on jb at every chance.

I don't agree with everything jb writes, but I find myself agreeing a lot more than disagreeing.  He is opinionated and very direct, but I like people like that.  Much more than people who filter their insults in amongst some less inflammatory verbage (like you do).

Who in the hell appointed you, Peewee and Michelangelo the  conscience of this forum anyway?  I must of missed the day the vote was taken.  The three of you can go somewhere else and circle jerk each other off in private because it gets a little disgusting seeing it done here in public.  If you added up the total value and the total helpfulness of the posts from the three of you, it would not equal half of what jb has shared here. Sure, jb gets edgy at times, and most of us take that as his way and accept it.  He sure doesn't hide behind his words claiming not to be saying what he has said, like you do and have done.
KenC

Oh...poor wittle jb. Gets picked on by the bully boys all of the time. sniff sniff.

Anyway. What this amounts to is nothing more than two points of view, as I see it. Optimist and pessimist. Some of these guys are obvisously either controlling of their wives, or girlfriends, or they are insecure about their manhood. It is evident in either their questions or their responses and advices. When I see something that suggests either then, because I am the eternal optimist, I will jump in with an optimistic spin on the topic. Every time, without fail.

"It's too hard." "You had better realize that these women cannot..." "It is all but impossible for them to...." "You can't..." "Do you think she is being faithful?"   and the negative reinforcements go on and on. Well, big news, for those of us how have a positive mental attitude and are in full control of our manhood and are very secure with feelings toward women we do beleive that all is possible for these ladies and we want to see them have every opportunity to be happy and if they wish it to have a career that makes them sing about their chosen careers instead of coming home every day bitching about their job.

Some one has to put a positive spin on some of this negative crap that some of you doom and gloom guys try to feed to the masses.

Peewee