"Generous, not greedy" on so many women's profiles

[ML]

No one on here seems to be willing to be honest and admit that the men are looking for a hotter younger FSUW  than he could get WM for a certain dollar amount and the women in the FSU are willing to settle for an older man in exchange for improved lifestyle. That's the truth, and it is part cold business arrangement but except for extreme cases it doesn't mean there can't be genuine love and affection in the relationship.

Not true . . . the part about 'no one here will admit.'

Long timers here will remember (with some pain, no doubt) that I have said much the same several times.

My words weren't quite the same and cold sounding, but I won't quibble that point here.

However, even as I knew the basic truth, I didn't do my search in a cold hearted business manner.  I treated all the gals in a very warm and respectful manner.

As it turned out, I ended up with a mate and wife who didn't need my money, so it wasn't and isn't a business arrangement . . . but for most all other women I interacted with, it would have started as a business arrangement.

But, even with the beginning business arrangement, true love can develop over time.  So I don't see much harm in it.  I suspect that many marriages between WM and WW are also heavily tilted toward a business arrangement, even as there is some basic mutual attraction.

[Fashionista]

their is a shortage of housing in most parts of the country, the health service is swamped with patients and it's not easy getting a well paying job even with a degree since nearly everyone has one. The weather is a bit better than FSU and it's near for any visit and there are some nice beaches around but it's not LA or Miami so not warm all year round. Stuff tends to last a reasonable time as that what consumer law protects you for - If you research what you are buying and are careful it can last a long time. Some guys will be able to alleviate some of these problems depending on the position they are in, some will not.

Sounds a lot like USSR, may it rest in peace. The irony.

[redking11]

You got all the information and answers you needed. That's a common mistake of people who do not listen. They think that if they don't like the answer it's a wrong one. The take-home message is - don't go to FSU. Spend more time with your daughter.

No, the point is that 90% of what I got, I didn't ask for and was a spin off from the main topic.

[ML]

Sounds a lot like USSR, may it rest in peace. The irony.

As some famous person said (something like) . . . problem with Socialism is eventually you run out of other people's money.

And Fashionista . . . where the he!! have you been ?

Haven't seen you posting for a long time . . . or has it just been me that didn't see your postings ?

[Fashionista]

As some famous person said (something like) . . . problem with Socialism is eventually you run out of other people's money.

And Fashionista . . . where the he!! have you been ?

Haven't seen you posting for a long time . . . or has it just been me that didn't see your postings ?

Been busy with my exciting life  , so I didn't post a lot

[redking11]

As some famous person said (something like) . . . problem with Socialism is eventually you run out of other people's money.

And Fashionista . . . where the he!! have you been ?

Haven't seen you posting for a long time . . . or has it just been me that didn't see your postings ?

ML,

What's your secret? You are able to post negative comments about socialism w/o being attacked for being incompatible with a FSUW, you are able to admit there is, at least at first, a business aspect, to these marriages. Am I cold about it? yes, but its just the way I talk, I'm horribly logical and systematic in how I approach things. It doesn't mean I'm cold in life. 

[redking11]

Without quoting all the recent posts what I am hearing is that FSUW are not living in mud huts (never thought they were) but rather that their standard of living is just as good if not better than their standard of living will be in the west assuming they marry a middle class man. (Who agrees with this?) What was also said is that more than anything FSUW are looking not for a lifestyle upgrade, but for a partner that treats them well and for respect from society. This of course is the complete opposite of what pitbull said about women looking for the richest most generous man to marry. So, I'll just assume that not all FSUW are gold diggers.

What I would be interested in hearing about is: Do FSUW really have a hard time finding quality local men that treat them well, so much so that they leave their homes, not for money but for a kind partner? (This view does not mesh with the regular talk I hear about FSUW being cold, and chewing men up)  and Second, in what way are they looking for respect from society, how are they not getting respect in their own countries? Does moving to western countries actually provide them the respect or other social objectives they are looking for? Aka, can we get away from money and talk about the social and relationship aspects that they lack and hope to find int he west?

(See I am asking about what they women want and trying to understand them)

[ML]

Been busy with my exciting life  , so I didn't post a lot

OK I understand busy . . . so you can't post here . . . but keep in mind that I am a very sensitive person, so I need for you to send me private messages no matter how busy you are.  Otherwise I suffer from rejection syndrome.  :-)

[ML]

ML,

What's your secret? You are able to post negative comments about socialism w/o being attacked for being incompatible with a FSUW, you are able to admit there is, at least at first, a business aspect, to these marriages.

There is no secret.  I am just a very great guy.  You can ask my Mother to get confirmation of this, and sometimes you can ask my spouse.

[GQBlues]

...No one on here seems to be willing to be honest and admit that the men are looking for a hotter younger FSUW  than he could get WM for a certain dollar amount and the women in the FSU are willing to settle for an older man in exchange for improved lifestyle.

WOW! Evoked such sweet memories of days of yore!!! My Twilight Zone!

FTR- I was the ugliest, poorest mofo that ever dove into the proverbial MOB pool. I can still remember how I parked at the entrance to Moscow's Red Square, played my guitar, sang, with a pasted crisp new hundred dollar bill upon my forehead and a placard by my side that read: *Desperate Horny American Island Boy to Provide Western Lifestyle Upgrade in Exchange for Marriage with Lots' of Sex!* - for any desperate devushkas walking around.

I was such a loser not even a dog stopped to pee. I can still remember thinking, "Damned! next time maybe I should hang a piece of pork chop around my neck, too!"

::::::::Amazing how there's so much more drama and stupidity for everyone else these days!:::::::

[LAman]

Thanks GQ......that quote had me scratching my head ??  Let's break it down

 
No one on here seems to be willing to be honest and admit that the men are looking for a hotter younger FSUW........

Ok, makes sense, let's be more honest around here!!

 
 .........than he could get WM for a certain dollar amount and........... 

 

Hmmmm, getting a WM for $$$$$, is there a hint of gayness? ..... in this case, let us NOT be honest!!!

 
..............the women in the FSU are willing to settle for an older man in exchange for improved lifestyle.

 

Ah, something we agree on!!!!!

I might add RK, what you are speaking about is a GC girl and you would be a stepping stone, at least she will be around for 2 years.....
Not to mention the possible domestic abuse charge that could get the girl her legal status in US much quicker.

[Bounder]

What I would be interested in hearing about is: Do FSUW really have a hard time finding quality local men that treat them well, so much so that they leave their homes, not for money but for a kind partner? (This view does not mesh with the regular talk I hear about FSUW being cold, and chewing men up)  and Second, in what way are they looking for respect from society, how are they not getting respect in their own countries? Does moving to western countries actually provide them the respect or other social objectives they are looking for? Aka, can we get away from money and talk about the social and relationship aspects that they lack and hope to find int he west?

As you ponder these questions, I would point out one thing to keep in mind. We are talking about a minority of women here. Whether Ukraine, Russia, or most any other country, I'd be willing to bet that the majority of inhabitants, women included have no desire to leave their country and would not do so. This is a a universal aspect of human nature - a very strong attachment to home, family, and the familiar. Just something to keep in mind.

Carry on.

[redking11]

As you ponder these questions, I would point out one thing to keep in mind. We are talking about a minority of women here. Whether Ukraine, Russia, or most any other country, I'd be willing to bet that the majority of inhabitants, women included have no desire to leave their country and would not do so. This is a a universal aspect of human nature - a very strong attachment to home, family, and the familiar. Just something to keep in mind.

Carry on.

Always good to keep in mind! and a good reason not to go there hoping to meet women on the street. Most won't be interested.

[Gator]

FTR- I was the ugliest, poorest mofo that ever dove into the proverbial MOB pool. I can still remember how I parked at the entrance to Moscow's Red Square, played my guitar, sang, with a pasted crisp new hundred dollar bill upon my forehead and a placard by my side that read: *Desperate Horny American Island Boy to Provide Western Lifestyle Upgrade in Exchange for Marriage with Lots' of Sex!* - for any desperate devushkas walking around.

Now it is your turn to walk down Sarcasm Lane.     

Folks, what GQ writes is not true.  Witnesses from that era will testify to the opposite.  The only criticism he received came from forum skinflints who thought GQ went overboard, not in gifts to women but in other expenditures and approaches.  He did it exactly the way he wanted to.  And his generosity became apparent in profound ways a RW would appreciate and never forget, such as flying her parents to Hawaii for the wedding.


As with any endeavor, the results speak for themselves. 


Anybody attempting this endeavor should keep in mind that the pretty woman could very well become your wife.  Give her such respect when dating. 

[Bee Farmer]

and Second, in what way are they looking for respect from society, how are they not getting respect in their own countries? Does moving to western countries actually provide them the respect or other social objectives they are looking for? Aka, can we get away from money and talk about the social and relationship aspects that they lack and hope to find int he west?

(See I am asking about what they women want and trying to understand them)

Watch this video and see if it answers any of your questions.
The girl who made the video is from Kyiv.  She's divorced, has a child, and is living here in the US now.