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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #2700 on: May 03, 2019, 07:45:43 AM »
I always had very good luck with UK wimmin, despite having a driving handicap "over there"
I tend to "play up" my "Americanness" in dress and speech
I can do a dead on perfect southern accent, (I grew up in Virginia) and UK wimmin almost fainted when I spoke that way using vocabulary from "Jane Austin"  - "endeavor to ascertain"
I mean seriously, wimmin were just entranced by my voice and just stood there with their mouths hanging open whenever I spoke
then they'd follow me around everywhere I went...

when my cousin from the midlands came over to visit me, the wimmin here were just all over him...
I guess it's the accent...

my guess is that if I were living in the UK, I'd need an income of a MINIMUM of 100,000 GBP per yr to land a high quality spouse...
and so long as I had this income and were living in a large city, meeting a partner would be easy!!!


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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #2701 on: May 03, 2019, 07:54:40 AM »
All I can say is don't come and date UK women Davo, most of them will lynch you for insisting on paying for them, even just mentioning it can be a no, no.


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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #2702 on: May 03, 2019, 10:42:31 AM »

VERY  VERY  DOUBTFUL !!


In general terms, if a woman insists on paying when a date offers to pay the whole bill, it usually is because she does not wish to be "beholden" to the man - she doesn't want to date him again, or she thinks he will expect something at the end of that first date.  If he is normal, and she would like to date him again, most women would view paying for the date chivalrous. 


A second exception would be if the woman invited the man on the date.


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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #2703 on: May 03, 2019, 11:14:06 AM »
Yes, this idea that the man always pays for everything, even where the woman makes just as much or even more money than the man, is a most disgusting feature of Eastern European culture.

I understand that is has been passed down and accepted by many generations.
And, I understand that it even goes back to the root situation where the man went out to kill the food and bring it back for the woman to prepare.

However, this is a new era and such foolishness is long out of date.

And it is totally incongruent with most all other aspects of life that such women have adopted.

i.e.  Historically they dressed and acted in a certain manner.  They have given up all of that, yet insist that only one thing be continued.

I did, of course, pay for everything (except as noted below) during my dating with FSU women.
However, there were quite a few who offered to pay, and some who even arrived at apartment with substantial amounts of food they had just purchased at market, etc. and would not take repayment.

And I am married to an FSUW who insists that she work and contribute to family expenses . . . even as I would just as soon she not work.
The "man pays for everything" attitude in the FSU makes a lot of sense if you also include the other part of this "cultural equation": a woman is expected to be 100% responsible for all housework, raising children and overall taking care of all aspects of family logistics and functioning. Doesn't matter if she works or not. This is all 100% a "woman's job". a man is only expected to sit in front of the TV when he comes home from work. And the actual reality of this culture is even worse. Most women end up working and supporting their family AND continue to pull 100% of household/family/children responsibilities.
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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #2704 on: May 03, 2019, 11:35:04 AM »
The "man pays for everything" attitude in the FSU makes a lot of sense if you also include the other part of this "cultural equation": a woman is expected to be 100% responsible for all housework, raising children and overall taking care of all aspects of family logistics and functioning. Doesn't matter if she works or not. This is all 100% a "woman's job". a man is only expected to sit in front of the TV when he comes home from work. And the actual reality of this culture is even worse. Most women end up working and supporting their family AND continue to pull 100% of household/family/children responsibilities.

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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #2705 on: May 03, 2019, 12:18:07 PM »


Watched the full video now Grumpy and I must say I found the whole video very uplifting :)

Now Boe if you're reading I will warn you watching that video may not be good for your health, particularly around 8.48 may mean you end up feeling like you need to be hospitalised ;D

Seriously, its great to have more of an insight into this, so thank you for showing us the vid Grumpy. Like the Interviewer I also like the end clip, it tells us a lot about FSU society, it's great that its so traditional. I see that women do not want the harsh lifestyle of a FSUM and are also socialised that it is an alien world to them. I also like the part around 8.48 where they reject the way of Western women and on this it supports the point I have often made about western women on here.

From the video it looks like to me also that my point about women being open to more men is true, they look at being a person that could please many a man.

There also seems to be slightly differeing ideas about what the man should provide beyond diner date expenses, when in a live in relationship also. My thought on this is that this ties in with what a Russian lady told me on here before that its is all about relationship gameplay. A women can state she expects such and such but that is not usually a demand even though it may be put across like one its more a point on which to bargain, a bit like an employer and a trade union rep in an industrial dispute. If you bargain well she will respect you for it, if you just give in to her demand particualarly straight away then you'll lose a lot of respect with her.

The issue of control was also intersting, now as said before I'm not the controlling type, but again I think this probably plays into a bit of gameplay in the relationship here, so long as its benign and not aggressive, coercive, etc its merely just fun & games apart from those FSUM that don't realise it as such.

I think overall the FSU way of dating can work well its just like for a lot of us WM in the past we were not clued up about the mechanics of how it all works and that's where for many a lot of problems arose. Its just really playing the game a different way, its another way of playing the dating game, just cutting the cake up differently.   
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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #2706 on: May 03, 2019, 10:49:00 PM »
It is amazing how easily some folks buy into this bollox

Then having watched a video think they are 'experts' and tell a FSU W they know better.....

So, Trench will be putting this into practise for his Kyiv trip and coming back still single......and wondering where he went wrong....

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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #2707 on: May 04, 2019, 03:38:18 AM »
It is amazing how easily some folks buy into this bollox

Then having watched a video think they are 'experts' and tell a FSU W they know better.....

So, Trench will be putting this into practise for his Kyiv trip and coming back still single......and wondering where he went wrong....

I don't think it's wrong. There are good girls that ask for nothing as Gator says. The more hot a girl is potentially the more she may ask for, if she does then she risks screwing up the relationship, so some girls will know to shy away some won't care to. Then there are girls that are more into the guy so will shy away from asking for stuff.

The girls in this video seem mostly in at least their thirties so they are most likely screwing up a lot of their relationships by asking too much, seeing as they are presumably still single. That or they haven't met a guy they like enough or been treated in a firm manner by the guy.

This video in itself shows that there is a variation in FSW attitudes a little. I don't think the best girls were shown here but it tells us a lot about the general direction of the attitudes out there. Some girls on meeting a WM may choose to accept playing the game more towards western values, most I get the impression won't even if they are aware of western dating values.

I'm not saying this video is something to base a dating approach to FSW on. It more gives a great insight into the direction most FSW will long upon dating even with a WM. Its a real eye opener into why some women are more transactional and helps us understand that.
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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #2708 on: May 04, 2019, 03:57:34 AM »
I don't think it's wrong.

You don't think, period, Trenchie ..   The vid is someone's perspective


It more gives a great insight into the direction most FSW

'Most' ? ..and how many do you KNOW to voice such an opinion?

Its a real eye opener into why some women are more transactional and helps us understand that.

With the greatest respect to the member posting it ... it's over-generalised bollox.



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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #2709 on: May 04, 2019, 05:55:41 AM »
You don't think, period, Trenchie ..   The vid is someone's perspective


'Most' ? ..and how many do you KNOW to voice such an opinion?

With the greatest respect to the member posting it ... it's over-generalised bollox.

The vid is from the perspective of a number of FSW not 'someone'. The interviewer stays largely neutral during it, he just wants to know more. If there was differing opinion of FSW that weren't shown I'm sure he would have stated it.

My intuition tells me if you or I went out and asked random FSW the same thing we would get much the same response, slightly varying but much the same.

You yourself have stated that you have paid in restaurants, it's the way over there. Some of the women in the vid seem to want more than that on various relationship basis.

The thing is Mobers, you have probably dated more professional working women in the FSU, they are likely to be different a bit, not the mainstream. Also if you have a lot of wealth a lot of FSW that aren't dense are going to treat you differently. They will see that getting with a real wealthy guy long term is more attractive than getting a few freebies in the short term. Yes they will be willing to give you a largely free ride in the hope of a very comfortable long term life. I think we have seen this on here many times such as that guy who got with an agency girl in her late twenties in Odessa but didn't ask for all expenses under the sun.
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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #2710 on: May 04, 2019, 08:27:32 AM »
The vid is from the perspective of a number of FSW not 'someone'. The interviewer stays largely neutral during it, he just wants to know more. If there was differing opinion of FSW that weren't shown I'm sure he would have stated it.

Nope. The video was not about if women agreed or disagreed with the phrase/sentiment that a man's wallet is share and a woman's wallet is private (paraphrasing).  it was about why the women he selected for the interviews thought that way.  It started off biased.

I asked T about the phrase.  She stated something different:  "Shto tvoye to nashye, shto moye to moye" - "what's yours is ours, what's mine is mine".  It's part traditional and part joke.  It's true for women who make small money - just enough to pay for her clothes, beauty care and health care.  For women who make the same or more than the man, it's true when they start dating.  But as pitbull said long term relationships are different.  One of T's friend currently pays for everything, takes care of the house and the kids.  Her husband has been hiding his money around the house, which T's friend just found out about.  T advised her to leave the guy, but her friend loves him so after their fight she's still with him.

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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #2711 on: May 04, 2019, 01:00:15 PM »
The video is biased in its representation.  The viewpoints which did not support the conclusion the maker did not want to present were not translated.


The woman claiming European women are not feminine was presenting what WM wish to hear.  It doesn't mean it's true, Trench.  It's manipulation, and obviously, you are easily manipulated.  It's about selling a product.


The women, as I posted previously, are not marriage material. They do not represent those of the average family oriented FSUW, or in this case, Muscovite.


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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #2712 on: May 04, 2019, 01:05:36 PM »
As, ever

The lady puts it succinctly and better than I could ..

But will Trench take note ?


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« Reply #2713 on: May 04, 2019, 03:33:00 PM »
Nope. The video was not about if women agreed or disagreed with the phrase/sentiment that a man's wallet is share and a woman's wallet is private (paraphrasing).  it was about why the women he selected for the interviews thought that way.  It started off biased.

I asked T about the phrase.  She stated something different:  "Shto tvoye to nashye, shto moye to moye" - "what's yours is ours, what's mine is mine".  It's part traditional and part joke.  It's true for women who make small money - just enough to pay for her clothes, beauty care and health care.  For women who make the same or more than the man, it's true when they start dating.  But as pitbull said long term relationships are different.  One of T's friend currently pays for everything, takes care of the house and the kids.  Her husband has been hiding his money around the house, which T's friend just found out about.  T advised her to leave the guy, but her friend loves him so after their fight she's still with him.

I know, I didn't take the 'what yours is mine and what mine is mine' literally. It's a case when two people get together of agreeing the mechanics of how that relationship will work. In most relationships there comes the concept of sharing and also of each others needs being met. It really all depends upon circumstance, many couples agree to a joint bank account, they likely have single bank accounts also. However, if the man is the main or sole earner and the expenses for the couple largely take up most incomings, particularly after having had xholdren, then what would be the point of each having a single bank account, if there is no to little money left over to put in it.

On the other hand if the guy is quite wealthy and has a good income then he can no doubt put money for living expenses in a joint account each month and still keep his single bank account(s). It would be unrealistic to expect the wealthy guy to let the girl he is in a LTR or married to access to all his money.

So as said before it's really all about negotiation beyond the basic FSU etiquette that the man pays for the restaurant expenses.

It's like T's friend, a relationship can have more milage the more a girl actually loves a guy. Beyond that it has been said in places that some FSW stay with a guy because they don't want to be out of a relationship or have had kids with him so don't wish to bring financial hardship on them. There can be an element of gameplay in a relationship but also if the guy is handing his money into a joint account or to T's friend then he may feel it oppressive after a while and/or want to get something for himself. So circumstance and necessity can play a part.
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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #2714 on: May 04, 2019, 04:15:45 PM »
The video is biased in its representation.  The viewpoints which did not support the conclusion the maker did not want to present were not translated.


The woman claiming European women are not feminine was presenting what WM wish to hear.  It doesn't mean it's true, Trench.  It's manipulation, and obviously, you are easily manipulated.  It's about selling a product.


The women, as I posted previously, are not marriage material. They do not represent those of the average family oriented FSUW, or in this case, Muscovite.


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They are not selling anything here, it's just an independent interviewer, not part of an Agency You Tube vid or promotion.

Part of it is manipulation, the girls that go past the restaurant expenses, yes they are being manipulative, they are playing a game as it's built into their attitude. It's most probably why they are probably still single. They are not just saying WM should stump up more for them but FSUM as well, FSUM know they can get other girls though. I agree these girls are not marriage material hence why they look in their thirties or older and are still single.

I don't think the vid is biased it's just trying to investigate what the more transactional girls are like, where they get their attitudes from, what it is based around. It is interesting that there are no younger girls or in the vid, it they were then there would likely be more variation with some just saying restaurant/basic dating costs is where us stops.

That said I don't believe the girls in the vid said that they expect extra in a normal dating relationship, just that in a live in/permanent relationship they would look to that. That of course ties in with what has been discussed above about the circumstances & agreements reached in a relationship.

I think the girls problem here is that they may be a bit predatory on the wanting front so they are likely not marriage material because of that. I think overall the interviewer was trying to get behind the whole mindest of the guy paying and  the reasons for this. While FSW vary they will nearly all have an element of what these girls attitudes are. The interviewer asked not just the girls in the studio but also on the street, and guys as well, and showed another interview vid that had done the same so I think we can say a lot think similarly out there.

I think the women had a point about many WW, they don't spend the same time devouted to men but instead to careers. Stands to reason that they are different creatures.
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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #2715 on: May 04, 2019, 06:12:52 PM »
I didn't post that the vlogger was selling something, just that he was biased.  The interviews with people that didn't elicit the response he wanted weren't translated.


The women are selling something, and they know who their audience is.


Most WW don't have careers.  Most work in jobs that are "9 to 5", and typically, that's out of necessity rather than a desire for a "career". 


You still have no idea about FSU culture, and never will, because you focus on the details to the exclusion of the big picture.  Oh, yeah, and misogyny.


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« Reply #2716 on: May 05, 2019, 03:08:15 AM »
I didn't post that the vlogger was selling something, just that he was biased.  The interviews with people that didn't elicit the response he wanted weren't translated.


The women are selling something, and they know who their audience is.


Most WW don't have careers.  Most work in jobs that are "9 to 5", and typically, that's out of necessity rather than a desire for a "career". 


You still have no idea about FSU culture, and never will, because you focus on the details to the exclusion of the big picture.  Oh, yeah, and misogyny.


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We don't know that the responses that were different if any weren't put in. We can only assume that either a). All of these people interviewed are the only ones and hence reflective of FSU society, or b). He excluded the ones where that talked of something else as me paying is all he wished to focus on. Without him stating it's guesswork to jump either way.

The women are not directly selling something to the audience of the video. Perhaps they have other times. I don't think they were saying that a guy who is casually dating them should buy them stuff just that their expectations were preferably 'such and such' in a live in relationship with a guy.

I think most women are brought up in the west to go for a career, but of course only so many people can get a career, male or female. Since the 1970s a lot more women have been push towards a career in the west than just the odd few that really wanted to and weren't cut out for anything else and that's a problem - there's not enough space for everyone to have a career.

It would be handy as if a member of this board could follow up on this one. Maybe a guy who is out in the FSU all the time like Moby could go around and do his own vid, briefly ask random girls in the street what they think.
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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #2717 on: May 05, 2019, 02:56:59 PM »
We don't know that the responses that were different if any weren't put in. We can only assume that either a). All of these people interviewed are the only ones and hence reflective of FSU society, or b). He excluded the ones where that talked of something else as me paying is all he wished to focus on. Without him stating it's guesswork to jump either way.


He didn't exclude them.  He just didn't translate the responses that didn't conform with what he wanted to present.

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The women are not directly selling something to the audience of the video. Perhaps they have other times. I don't think they were saying that a guy who is casually dating them should buy them stuff just that their expectations were preferably 'such and such' in a live in relationship with a guy.


Their purpose is to portray a specific narrative of their society to the gullible WM who are going to watch the video.  It appears they succeeded in at least one case.

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I think most women are brought up in the west to go for a career, but of course only so many people can get a career, male or female. Since the 1970s a lot more women have been push towards a career in the west than just the odd few that really wanted to and weren't cut out for anything else and that's a problem - there's not enough space for everyone to have a career.


Yes, there is enough space for everyone to have a career if that is what they want.    Your oft repeated statement that women displace men in the workforce is rather silly, and is borne of misogyny.

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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #2718 on: May 05, 2019, 03:21:54 PM »

He didn't exclude them.  He just didn't translate the responses that didn't conform with what he wanted to present.


Their purpose is to portray a specific narrative of their society to the gullible WM who are going to watch the video.  It appears they succeeded in at least one case.


Yes, there is enough space for everyone to have a career if that is what they want.    Your oft repeated statement that women displace men in the workforce is rather silly, and is borne of misogyny.

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There's not enough space in the workforce Boe, it's a feminist idea of wanting your cake and eating it. There was only so many guys that got careers before the western feminist revolution in the 70s so it stands to reason that percentage wise towards half of those careers that went to men no longer do.

I don't believe there was any thing shown not translated. It could only be guessed at that other stuff was not translated and not shown. I don't believe that was the interviewers intention.

Find some other videos on YouTube that show sometging other, they are surely bound to be on there if such exists.

I think you are seeing the video as far more than what it is. It's not saying that these girls try and put on a guy for stuff in a casual relationship. It's essentially saying the same as we commonly know on here that a guy pays for the restaurant date. Thereafter in a live in relationship they have certain expectations/wants. It's always up for discussion though, just because they state a man's wallet is a shared wallet doesn't mean it will be, it depends on circumstance and negotiation. A bit like the Employer and Trade Union guy in an industrial dispute as mentioned earlier. You wouldn't expect the TU guy to agree upfront with the Employer nor the Employer to cave into the TU guys demands of the bat.

These girls maybe slightly on the farther end of most average FSW but it's generally near enough the direction most are I believe.
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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #2719 on: May 05, 2019, 03:39:03 PM »
There's not enough space in the workforce Boe, it's a feminist idea of wanting your cake and eating it. There was only so many guys that got careers before the western feminist revolution in the 70s so it stands to reason that percentage wise towards half of those careers that went to men no longer do.

There has always been cyclical unemployment in capitalist societies/mixed economies, so this is a poor excuse for your misogyny.

How, exactly, is working to become educated, then going to work all day, and, when married with children, getting up an hour earlier to feed children breakfast, make lunches, work all day, come home, make dinner, feed children, take them to extracurricular activities, help them with homework, bathe them, read stories, put them to bed, then tidy up the house "having your cake and eating it too"?

Women who work carry two work burdens,  Studies have proven this. 

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I don't believe there was any thing shown not translated. It could only be guessed at that other stuff was not translated and not shown. I don't believe that was the interviewers intention.

You don't have to believe it.  I understand Russian and can read English.  I heard what was said and not translated.

If it were not the vlogger's intention, he would have translated comments that didn't fit with the narrative he wished to present.
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I think you are seeing the video as far more than what it is. It's not saying that these girls try and put on a guy for stuff in a casual relationship. It's essentially saying the same as we commonly know on here that a guy pays for the restaurant date. Thereafter in a live in relationship they have certain expectations/wants. It's always up for discussion though, just because they state a man's wallet is a shared wallet doesn't mean it will be, it depends on circumstance and negotiation. A bit like the Employer and Trade Union guy in an industrial dispute as mentioned earlier. You wouldn't expect the TU guy to agree upfront with the Employer nor the Employer to cave into the TU guys demands of the bat.

I am responding to what you posted.  I don't really care about the video.

Your interpretation of the society, based on the video, is flawed, because you don't understand the society but worse, you assume you do.

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These girls maybe slightly on the farther end of most average FSW but it's generally near enough the direction most are I believe.
And you base this on what?  Your two weeks on ground in Ukraine?  Your three week "relationship"?  Your lack of fluency in Russian?

Are you aware of what the average RM would have said to most of those women?

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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #2720 on: May 05, 2019, 04:32:39 PM »
There has always been cyclical unemployment in capitalist societies/mixed economies, so this is a poor excuse for your misogyny.

How, exactly, is working to become educated, then going to work all day, and, when married with children, getting up an hour earlier to feed children breakfast, make lunches, work all day, come home, make dinner, feed children, take them to extracurricular activities, help them with homework, bathe them, read stories, put them to bed, then tidy up the house "having your cake and eating it too"?

Women who work carry two work burdens,  Studies have proven this. 

You don't have to believe it.  I understand Russian and can read English.  I heard what was said and not translated.

If it were not the vlogger's intention, he would have translated comments that didn't fit with the narrative he wished to present.
I am responding to what you posted.  I don't really care about the video.

Your interpretation of the society, based on the video, is flawed, because you don't understand the society but worse, you assume you do.
And you base this on what?  Your two weeks on ground in Ukraine?  Your three week "relationship"?  Your lack of fluency in Russian?

Are you aware of what the average RM would have said to most of those women?

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That's the point these women are trying to make in the video. WW want to do everything, but you don't need to do everything, historically the roles were split, women mainly did domestic, men did work. Today's WW are messing it all up by trying to do everything, wanting a career and doing domestic stuff, having children. They should do one or the other to do justice to either and themselves. So you think their fellow colleagues at work love it when they have to dash out the office to deal with yet another child emergency just to leave their colleagues floundering and stressed out covering their work, yet again. Do you think the children are emotionally well supported, or is the school teacher supposed to pick up for the lack of devotion from the woman? Yet another task for them to add to their long list before actually getting around to teaching the kids. No it is WW that are being greedy, wanting it all and rejecting any notion of them being selfish, the negatives or the harm it is doing others in wanting it so. You don't like this video as it shows just that from what FSW say. BTW they were speaking in English through most of the video.
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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #2721 on: May 05, 2019, 06:01:48 PM »
That's the point these women are trying to make in the video. WW want to do everything, but you don't need to do everything, historically the roles were split, women mainly did domestic, men did work. Today's WW are messing it all up by trying to do everything, wanting a career and doing domestic stuff, having children. They should do one or the other to do justice to either and themselves. So you think their fellow colleagues at work love it when they have to dash out the office to deal with yet another child emergency just to leave their colleagues floundering and stressed out covering their work, yet again. Do you think the children are emotionally well supported, or is the school teacher supposed to pick up for the lack of devotion from the woman? Yet another task for them to add to their long list before actually getting around to teaching the kids. No it is WW that are being greedy, wanting it all and rejecting any notion of them being selfish, the negatives or the harm it is doing others in wanting it so. You don't like this video as it shows just that from what FSW say. BTW they were speaking in English through most of the video.


Trench 65% of Russian women work and 70% of women in the England do also. Even in a family environment with a husband, many Russian women bring in a second income and historically have done for many years.

If you find a woman it’s likely she will want to work so your family has a comfort life.  They are smart women, they know how things work in the west and realise that middle income families (your future family) in countries like England, Australia and the US also require two incomes to have a good quality of life.

I made this clear to k immediately when we started developing feelings for each other and disclosed my full financial situation regarding wage mortgage, and my living expenses, so she had a full understanding of what she would expect if we eventually lived together. It gave her a chance to move on also if it wasn’t the life for her..... I believe her reply something like  “Russian women like to work and I’m no different” 

I think you underestimate the extra expense of being married. Sure you might scrape by on your income alone, but once children come along, she starts driving and wants to live the life of those around her eg- regular overseas holidays, eating out, romantic weekends away, a new car, house improvements etc... etc... she won’t stay in that situation long. She’ll either dump you or hopefully for your sake insist on working for your family. Children are a huge expense and any mother wants to give her children the best in life. She will want to give them opportunity’s like sport, hobbies and even private education, you will need double what you earn now or more.

I won’t comment too much on a working mother’s lack of devotion, children’s emotional state or time needed off work as what you say is BS.... I’m a working single father of 4 and my kids achieve straight A’s, have a strong family ethics, are polite and well mannered and as emotionally stable as children who have parents that are together. 

Your comments are actually an insult to FSU working mothers. I’ve talked to many and they do a wonderful job of raising their children and also working.
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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #2722 on: May 05, 2019, 06:16:26 PM »
That's the point these women are trying to make in the video. WW want to do everything, but you don't need to do everything, historically the roles were split, women mainly did domestic, men did work.

That simply is untrue.  Look at the few agrarian societies today, and  you will see that women's roles are far beyond domestic duties.  That is what agrarian life was like in the West, as well.

As Western societies urbanized, women participated in the labour force, often working 14 hours days for paltry wages, in addition to domestic chores.  Where women did not have equal participation was in occupations that required higher education, as their degrees often were not recognized.

I suggest you read some history before making such boldly inaccurate pronouncements.

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Today's WW are messing it all up by trying to do everything, wanting a career and doing domestic stuff, having children. They should do one or the other to do justice to either and themselves. So you think their fellow colleagues at work love it when they have to dash out the office to deal with yet another child emergency just to leave their colleagues floundering and stressed out covering their work, yet again. Do you think the children are emotionally well supported, or is the school teacher supposed to pick up for the lack of devotion from the woman? Yet another task for them to add to their long list before actually getting around to teaching the kids. No it is WW that are being greedy, wanting it all and rejecting any notion of them being selfish, the negatives or the harm it is doing others in wanting it so. You don't like this video as it shows just that from what FSW say. BTW they were speaking in English through most of the video.
I was a working mother.  Not once did a colleague ever have to cover for me because my child was ill.  When my children had earaches, which always seemed to occur between 11 pm and 1 am, it was me, not my husband, who drove them to the ER, and who picked up their prescriptions at a 24 hour pharmacy before getting up to make breakfast and lunch for my other children before work.  I don't think I am unique in this.  What was unique in our family was that we split our work schedules so that one of us was home with our children.

I don't think a working mother provides less love or emotional stability to a child.  You haven't raised children, so your opinions on this are worthless.

Davo is correct, most FSUW work outside the home, and always have, although in Russia, they are paid to stay home with children until the age of 2.  Ukraine used to be 1 year, but the stipend is so paltry, women must supplement their incomes.  So in this respect, FSUW are no different from WW. 


As for the video, it doesn't matter if they were mostly speaking English.  I know what was said in Russian, and what was not translated.

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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #2723 on: May 06, 2019, 06:08:18 AM »
That simply is untrue.  Look at the few agrarian societies today, and  you will see that women's roles are far beyond domestic duties.  That is what agrarian life was like in the West, as well.

As Western societies urbanized, women participated in the labour force, often working 14 hours days for paltry wages, in addition to domestic chores.  Where women did not have equal participation was in occupations that required higher education, as their degrees often were not recognized.

I suggest you read some history before making such boldly inaccurate pronouncements.
I was a working mother.  Not once did a colleague ever have to cover for me because my child was ill.  When my children had earaches, which always seemed to occur between 11 pm and 1 am, it was me, not my husband, who drove them to the ER, and who picked up their prescriptions at a 24 hour pharmacy before getting up to make breakfast and lunch for my other children before work.  I don't think I am unique in this.  What was unique in our family was that we split our work schedules so that one of us was home with our children.

I don't think a working mother provides less love or emotional stability to a child.  You haven't raised children, so your opinions on this are worthless.

Davo is correct, most FSUW work outside the home, and always have, although in Russia, they are paid to stay home with children until the age of 2.  Ukraine used to be 1 year, but the stipend is so paltry, women must supplement their incomes.  So in this respect, FSUW are no different from WW. 


As for the video, it doesn't matter if they were mostly speaking English.  I know what was said in Russian, and what was not translated.

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If Ukraine's economy was not in such a state they would be doing the same as Russia and paying women to stay at home until the child is 2. Economic pressure can push women to do more in curtain situations which call for it. Yet the best state of affairs for society and both genders is for the woman to stay at home and keep home and not think selfishly in going out for more.

It's not great in the workplace for a load of people to end up working part time, better to have people their full time rather than trying to further their careers on a part time basis, essentially they are not whole heartedly committed to either task.

I don't think the Russian part was significant enough that anything not translated woyld significantly change what was said. In any case I will use Google Voice translate when I get time and see if that comes up with anything significant.

You can't say Boe that dating in the FSU isn't different. How many girls in western society would repay a guy buying them a meal by spreading their legs right after?
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Re: Trench's Questions and Philosophies
« Reply #2724 on: May 06, 2019, 08:04:27 AM »
“You can't say Boe that dating in the FSU isn't different. How many girls in western society would repay a guy buying them a meal by spreading their legs right after?”

You haven’t dated much, have you trench? Have you not been presented with the opportunity of a one night stand locally?

I was introduced to a friend of a close female friend. I bought her a drink. 15 minutes later she had her hands down my pants in the pub car park, trying to entice me back to her house. Not the type of girl you would marry and you wouldn’t if she was a fsu woman either.

Women are the same no matter where they live, they all have different personalities and standards. If you ever have the chance to date a genuine UK woman, you would treat her no differently to a genuine FSU woman IMO.... the problem is you have had no experience with either and there for are going about this in an aimless fashion.

While I wish you all the luck for your upcoming trip, a good example of what I said above is you attempting the most difficult way to meet women in dating... cold aproaches during the day. You’re not an extrovert like others here and with little experience, it’s very easy to come across creepy in this situation. Guys that are not naturally gifted, but are successful have approached 10’s if not 100’s of women.... how many have you approached leading up to your trip?. Any contact you can have with any women at the moment is going to help you.... skinny, overweight, single mothers, easy.... whatever
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