Does a RW need to speak good English, I think not.

[KenC]

Turbo,
You know the sad part of all this is that you seem so dead sure that you can continue to defy the odds at every turn and yet you are still at square one after what? Ten years?  When are you going to learn?  And I will tell you that I really don't care how much time and money you continue to piss down a rat hole using your foolish methods, but there is a danger that some poor newbie might actually think that your advice or opinion is valid.  Maybe you should have a signature line on all your posts that reads:

The above stated opinion or advice comes from a man that has spent tens of thousands of dollars and over ten years chasing women in the FSU that were too young, too uninterested in me or just plain scammers. My methods have resulted in absolutely nothing but loss of income and time.  Follow me at your own risk.
KenC

[jb]

Geesh~! Ken, I need to get a tighter fitting tinfoil hat, you've been reading my mind again.
 

[Vaughn]

Turbo, I refrained in my last post from mentioning this
but since you've brought it up, I'll speak my mind...

If need be, by the time she would get here I could have my Russian to the stage that we could communicate.

At this point in your odyssey, Turbo, you should have
picked up more than just a few words of Russian. I submit
that if you wait until the time she would get here
then you are underestimating the time it takes to become even
somewhat capable in the other tongue. Secondly, why would
you wait until a commitment's been made to figure out it's
now time to communicate? You've got things ass-backwards.
If you manage locate some young hottie who's English-ignorant
and will buy into your line "we'll work at it", just how long do you
estimate she'll need to figure out there's a better deal around
the corner? If USCIS could glimpse your carefree and lackadaisical
attitude, you'd never get a 2nd NOA.

Turbo, you're stubborn, as much as someone else I haven't seen
here in a while. I'm putting you on ignore.

[KenC]

Vaughn,
With the time and money Turbo has committed to his folly, he could have learned Russian well enough to rewrite "War and Peace" 
KenC

[Turboguy]

Ken, Personally I don't think I am defying as many odds as you think I am.  I should be about the world's greatest expert on what not to do.  Don't think I have not learned in the process.

jb, reading your mind is easy.

Vaughn, since I am on ignore you will miss this.  You said, by this point I should have picked up more than a few words of Russian.  I have.  It's hard to know how many words you know but I my best guess is somewhere between 1500 and 2000.  Learning Russian is a pain compared to learning French which at one time I was nearly fluent in.  If I thought it was going to be neccessary to communicate I would be more than happy to spend 6 hours a day learning Russian instead of the 3 or 4 hours a week I do now.

Ken, If my goal had been to learn Russian, I am sure I would be fluent in it now.  It was just a secondary thing that I thought might come in handy.  War and Peace is fine the way it is.

[Vaughn]

KenC wrote:

With the time and money Turbo has committed to his folly

  Exactly - a folly. I like Turbo, don't misunderstand me - but the more
I read, the less I think he's serious about all this. I made bad decisions
as well, but we at least had the desire to dialogue - it was paramount.
As you know, I went through two marriages, one long and one very short.
Elvira had been divorced for seven years. Pulling the trigger was not an
impulsive decision for us - we grew to develop trust and confidence - and without communication it would have been fruitless.

  After 3+ years of marriage to Elvira, I've grown impatient and less
tolerant of men who've spent years searching for that perfectly
compliant gorgeous babe, and never seemingly learning along the way.
It's his "come what may" approach that irks me - I've read enough of
it, and I'm far too busy with our own wedded reality to stand by and
witness yet another disappointment. He should be dating women 40
and older, who are done raising children, who speak good English, who
can demonstrate over time that they have a good heart, and
who have enough fire in them to straighten him out. End of story.

 

[Turboguy]

Vaughn, the topic is supposed to be about the necessity of a gal knowing English, not the folly's of Turboguy.   I expressed my opinion which was that if two people are very patient and want to be together enough that they will overcome that obstacle.  The clue bat crew seems to be trying to twist that into this hopeless character, Turboguy is out looking for 20 year old beauty queens that don't speak a word of English.  Nothing could be further from the truth.

The only gal I have met in the last few years who didn't speak good English was Luda and we had no trouble with the ability to communicate except for when we tried to us a terp on the day we met.  I have a strong preference for gals who can speak English.   I just would not totally rule out one that did not if we were able to communicate enough to know how much we had in common and to be able to the issues that would be important to know where we wanted our life to go.  If I did not feel that was the situation I would move on.

You know what they say opinions are like.   I have mine.  You have yours.  If you feel so strongly about it you would do a lot more good talking to all the agency owners and convincing them to pull all the profiles of gals who were not fluent in English because their futures are hopeless.  There are lots of people who feel that their girl having a command of English is an essential need.  If they feel that way they are probably right.  I have seen cases where gals came here, such as my one friend who got me back into this after a year and a half break who came here knowing only how to say she was hungry in English.  Luda's friend and my former secretary Oksana came here the same way.  No English.   She is now fluent and her and Joe are very happily married.

To me, the clue bat crew is trying to say it is impossible.   I just never had that word in my vocabulary.   There are tons of gals here who came with little or no knowledge of English and have done just fine.  I am not saying it is easy.  I am not saying it is for everyone.  I am just saying it can be done.  Why do I say that, because it has been done thousands of times.  Are you guys trying to say that never in the history of America has there been a gal who came here knowing virtually no English and with some work and effort has created a happy marriage and a good life.  If not, that sure is what you are saying.

[PeeWee]

KenC wrote:
  Exactly - a folly. I like Turbo, don't misunderstand me - but the more
I read, the less I think he's serious about all this. I made bad decisions
as well, but we at least had the desire to dialogue - it was paramount.
As you know, I went through two marriages, one long and one very short.
Elvira had been divorced for seven years. Pulling the trigger was not an
impulsive decision for us - we grew to develop trust and confidence - and without communication it would have been fruitless.

  After 3+ years of marriage to Elvira, I've grown impatient and less
tolerant of men who've spent years searching for that perfectly
compliant gorgeous babe, and never seemingly learning along the way.
It's his "come what may" approach that irks me - I've read enough of
it, and I'm far too busy with our own wedded reality to stand by and
witness yet another disappointment. He should be dating women 40
and older, who are done raising children, who speak good English, who
can demonstrate over time that they have a good heart, and
who have enough fire in them to straighten him out. End of story.

 

What irks me is that horse's ass avitar that you have. I try not to look at it when ever I catch glimps of it from the corner of my eye.

Regarding Turbo. He has his method that seems to pascify him. Two extreems. One guy who runs in and grabs the first thing that he sees and marries it. The other long and thoughtful approach. If nothing else Turbo has met a life time share of nice looking women. Maybe he would rather date and remain single for a while rather sh.it and git, so to speak. I did not know there was a time limit on this process.

Peewee

[Turboguy]

LOL PeeWee.  Yea, that thing drives me crazy too.  Thanks.  I have to admit that I have had a lot of interesting adventures wondering down this path.  You are right.  I am happy with my efforts and if I never do find the right gal it has been fun.   Truthfully had RWD been around when I started it would have helped a lot.

I really don't feel I need the approval of the clue bat crew.  I have posted bits and pieces of things but never posted a full trip report or that much information about what I am looking for, what my criteria are.  I posted a lot of my misadventures with Luda and a few other things when they fit the topic.   Heck, if I posted some things like the 52 year old gal, which is one of the ones I like a lot right now, I would ruin my stellar image.

[Durk]

    Hey Guys!

       Well it is now 2 days and 60 posts. Will somebody please put the freekin horse back in
the tannery. I can see why I decided to audit this industry. You guys are supposed to be adding
good info to help us new guys on the block. I think club bicker is down the hall to your right.
        Somebody mentioned Santa Claus? You guys keep going and Christmas will be HERE!
       Can Another RWD member close this?
        Lets just say that if a proper UK man Les can marry a very proper Russian Gal it can
be done. Will it take work? YESSSSSS! A good marriage always takes work by both.
        Now I know why all the gals dance by themselves at the socials. If you guys are this
bored who would blame them.   
               

[KenC]

Vaughn, the topic is supposed to be about the necessity of a gal knowing English, not the folly's of Turboguy.   I expressed my opinion which was that if two people are very patient and want to be together enough that they will overcome that obstacle.  The clue bat crew seems to be trying to twist that into this hopeless character, Turboguy is out looking for 20 year old beauty queens that don't speak a word of English.  Nothing could be further from the truth.

The only gal I have met in the last few years who didn't speak good English was Luda and we had no trouble with the ability to communicate except for when we tried to us a terp on the day we met.  I have a strong preference for gals who can speak English.   I just would not totally rule out one that did not if we were able to communicate enough to know how much we had in common and to be able to the issues that would be important to know where we wanted our life to go.  If I did not feel that was the situation I would move on.

You know what they say opinions are like.   I have mine.  You have yours.  If you feel so strongly about it you would do a lot more good talking to all the agency owners and convincing them to pull all the profiles of gals who were not fluent in English because their futures are hopeless.  There are lots of people who feel that their girl having a command of English is an essential need.  If they feel that way they are probably right.  I have seen cases where gals came here, such as my one friend who got me back into this after a year and a half break who came here knowing only how to say she was hungry in English.  Luda's friend and my former secretary Oksana came here the same way.  No English.   She is now fluent and her and Joe are very happily married.

To me, the clue bat crew is trying to say it is impossible.   I just never had that word in my vocabulary.   There are tons of gals here who came with little or no knowledge of English and have done just fine.  I am not saying it is easy.  I am not saying it is for everyone.  I am just saying it can be done.  Why do I say that, because it has been done thousands of times.  Are you guys trying to say that never in the history of America has there been a gal who came here knowing virtually no English and with some work and effort has created a happy marriage and a good life.  If not, that sure is what you are saying.

The above stated opinion or advice comes from a man that has spent tens of thousands of dollars and over ten years chasing women in the FSU that were too young, too uninterested in me or just plain scammers. My methods have resulted in absolutely nothing but loss of income and time.  Follow me at your own risk.

Turbo,
Really now, do you think you should be looking for new barriers to over come to prove everyone wrong or should you be looking for the methods that will give you the most reasonable chance for success?  You're not getting any younger, you know.  What are you, 65?  Isn't time that you actually learned something?  Think about the years that you could have spent with a loving RW had you been reasonable in your quest.  Even if you had taken your time and used reasonable methods to seek a reasonable woman (meaning age & beauty appropriate) the longest it might take is 2 years.  You could have been living a wonderful married life for the last 8 years as I have.  Oh my God, Turbo, if you only new the happiness and pleasures that you have missed out on being an obstanant pathetic old man, you would shoot yourself!  Maybe it is time for you not to push the envelope to the max and take a more prudent path to finding your other half.  Whatever you do, please do not lecture us about what could happen as you are the ultimate example of what didn't happen.
KenC
(BTW, I for one prefer the O.M.B. title ((Old Married Bastard)) as it makes me feel like a rap star)

[PeeWee]

The above stated opinion or advice comes from a man that has spent tens of thousands of dollars and over ten years chasing women in the FSU that were too young, too uninterested in me or just plain scammers. My methods have resulted in absolutely nothing but loss of income and time.  Follow me at your own risk.

Turbo,
Really now, do you think you should be looking for new barriers to over come to prove everyone wrong or should you be looking for the methods that will give you the most reasonable chance for success?  You're not getting any younger, you know.  What are you, 65?  Isn't time that you actually learned something?  Think about the years that you could have spent with a loving RW had you been reasonable in your quest.  Even if you had taken your time and used reasonable methods to seek a reasonable woman (meaning age & beauty appropriate) the longest it might take is 2 years.  You could have been living a wonderful married life for the last 8 years as I have.  Oh my God, Turbo, if you only new the happiness and pleasures that you have missed out on being an obstanant pathetic old man, you would shoot yourself!  Maybe it is time for you not to push the envelope to the max and take a more prudent path to finding your other half.  Whatever you do, please do not lecture us about what could happen as you are the ultimate example of what didn't happen.
KenC
(BTW, I for one prefer the O.M.B. title ((Old Married Bastard)) as it makes me feel like a rap star)

You know, KC, I don't ever read Turbo complaining about his past spent years. He seems to be enjoying himself. He simply says what is happening to him and why and that is about it. Like I said before there doen't seem to be a time limit or an expiration date on this process. When I was a younger lad I noticed one James Bond, not married for year after year, seemed pretty content to be with an number of nice looking women any where he went in the world. Kind of like Turboguy but more deadly by profession.

I'm not finding myself in a foot race to find an RW. Five years in the process with no end in sight. Next adventure for me will be in about 3 weeks. Thus far I'd call Turbo an International Dater and we have all been a dater at one time or another in our lives. Much can be said about spending a week or two in the company of a hot RW/UW. Not many get a chance to do that. One day the right lady will surface and that will be that.

Peewee

[Turboguy]

Really now, do you think you should be looking for new barriers to over come to prove everyone wrong or should you be looking for the methods that will give you the most reasonable chance for success? 

Where do you get that I am looking for barriers to overcome.  I have said consistently in this thread that my preference is for gals who speak English.  Not totally ruling out someone who does not is not the same as going out looking for one.

You're not getting any younger, you know.  What are you, 65? 

Not yet but give me time.

Isn't time that you actually learned something?  Think about the years that you could have spent with a loving RW had you been reasonable in your quest.  Even if you had taken your time and used reasonable methods to seek a reasonable woman (meaning age & beauty appropriate) the longest it might take is 2 years.   You could have been living a wonderful married life for the last 8 years as I have.  Oh my God, Turbo, if you only new the happiness and pleasures that you have missed out on being an obstanant pathetic old man, you would shoot yourself!  Maybe it is time for you not to push the envelope to the max and take a more prudent path to finding your other half.  Whatever you do, please do not lecture us about what could happen as you are the ultimate example of what didn't happen.
KenC
(BTW, I for one prefer the O.M.B. title ((Old Married Bastard)) as it makes me feel like a rap star)[/b]

There was lots of pleasure and happiness in that time.  Perhaps it was deciding that pleasure was not my goal that got me back into it. 

OK, so last go round it took me about 2 years from start to fiancee.  Some of my efforts were with big agency romance tours which I would not do again.  This go round I am at about 7 or 8 months so if it takes me a while so if I don't turn up with a fiancee tomorrow I am still within your parameters.   Personally I don't think this is a process you should rush and I don't care a whole lot what you would consider to be a normal time frame.  When you get a one week wonder you complain about it.  If my goal had been a quick engagement I could have been engaged in February.

PeeWee, good post.  Might want to get my eyesight checked.  Not too many looked like Bond Girls but I do have to admit they were closer than the AW I dated lately.

So what we have is the clue bat guys saying it is totally impossible to have a successful result with a girl with little or no English.  It just can't work.  No, ifs and, or buts  (maybe no buts but I am not ruling out some butts.)

You have me saying that many people should not try it without a lot of forethought, that is is difficult, that it is not for everyone but if two people really want to be together and are willing to be patient and work towards resolving the issues they will face, it is possible for it to work.

The only evidence I can look at to try and decide whose position is the more correct is the fact that about 30% of the FSU women I have met who moved here had no English when they came and overcame it.  There are lots of people who have done the same from other parts of the world as well.  Using that logic it seems to me you could equally say that you can not live in the American culture without English yet I am sure in both jb's state and Kens you will find lots of people with one language, Spanish.

Durk, your post was one of the more constructive in this thread lately.  I can't see that the recent parts of this discussion have much useful material.   You just have some guys who like to spit out their superiority and me who is dumb enough to let them lure me in. 

[Bruno]

Even if you had taken your time and used reasonable methods to seek a reasonable woman (meaning age & beauty appropriate) the longest it might take is 2 years.

Curious to know how much time people here have use for find the right women !

Myself, i have begin seek a wife at 30 year old... i was tired of one night sexual encounter or short term relationship... Now, i am 38 year old and maybe i have find the right one... but not yet married !!!

So, for the happily married, how much year between the first time you have wish find a wife and the date of your actual marriage ( i guess that these actual marriage is the last and you are with the right woman )? I am sure that for a lot of us, it will be more that 10 year...

Beeing married early for know a divorce a few year after is not really a smart move... some people wait until the right one appear... not everybody is so much desperate to marry the first women find...

I think that Turbo take a lot of unusual way and risk but it is his choice... in no case, i will advice him to hurry for a marriage... if he is not married now, it is because he is not ready or he have not yet find the right woman...

Of course, a common language help for start a relation but more important is the wish of the woman for learn language, for integrate in her new communauty... a RW with a english level of 1/10 in the begin who reach a level of 5/10 after one year is certainly better that a other RW who have a level of 5/10 in the begin and who is with the same level one year after...

The real thing is not the start level but more the capacity to learn and raise her own level with time.

[Turboguy]

That might make an interesting poll Bruno.   I hope the one you have found turns out to be the gal for you.  I am sure there are a few guys who enjoy the chase but I think for most of us we want to MOB club.

[Bruno]

I am sure there are a few guys who enjoy the chase but I think for most of us we want to MOB club.

Chasing is fun but with time it become boring... and for the chase, i don't need seek a foreign woman, i have plenty of bitch/whore in Belgium 

And usualy, for one night encounter or short term relationship, language skill is almost not needed...

[Turboguy]

I can agree with that Bruno.  I think for me this is well beyond the point where it is fun.  It is more like work than work is.  When I thought, incorrectly, that I had found what I was looking for last year I was really thrilled to not have to write letters to new girls and go to first meetings again.

[PeeWee]

If desparation or lonelyness may be your motivator then maybe two years to seek and marry a mate is too long to spend at this. If, like me, you could careless how long it takes then 10 years to accomplish the tasks also seems reasonable. There is no time limit for the completition of this task. I spent 10 years looking for an AW so why not the same for the RW? I do think that the two of you must communicate somehow. Maybe she did not learn English because she was not convinced that she would meet an English speaking man. Maybe she meets a German, a Czech, a Frenchman and she now needs to learn one of those languages and not English.

What do the German lads do when they meet an FSU W who speaks only a little English and no German? Presume that he does not speak English well either. The situation would be the same. She would then begin to learn German and as her language skills grew so would their relationship.

Peewee

[Turboguy]

I think there are some desperate and lonely people in the hunt and agree that for them, two years might be too long.  I also agree with you that it is better to take the extra time and find the right girl and not just jump into the arms of the first girl who will have you.

Being single and dateless is far better than being married to a bitch or getting a gal like Maxx had.  I am sure the loneliness is what brings a lot of guys to date AW while they seen a RW.  I just really don't care to do that and it gives me a chance to get my moneys worth from cable TV.

Back in the first go round at this there is one gal out of the whole lot (not that big a lot) that I have kicked myself for not persuing harder.   Other wise there were a few scammers, a few really nasty women, one who was nice but sent me her high school photo which did not look like her in her late 30's.  (What she looked like in her late 30's was not very good) One who wanted to do a k-1 without a kiss and one who's idea of an intimate evening was seeing how much torture she could subject her man to.   ( I am just not into pain, particularly my own.)

[KenC]

Peewee & Turbo,
Look at you two guys!  You're TFF!  You two remind me of the guys in college that would sit around on a Saturday night and have a saugage fest!  They would pat each other on the back and tell themselves how great life is and that they really could have a girl if they really wanted one!  Uh huh, sure, thing baby.  I'm sure glad I have something warmer than a TV clicker to keep me company at night!  Well, at least you have each other.   How sad.
KenC

[tbelknap]

I'm sure glad I have something warmer than a TV clicker to keep me company at night! 
KenC

Your dog doesn't count.   

[PeeWee]

Peewee & Turbo,
Look at you two guys!  You're TFF!  You two remind me of the guys in college that would sit around on a Saturday night and have a saugage fest!  They would pat each other on the back and tell themselves how great life is and that they really could have a girl if they really wanted one!  Uh huh, sure, thing baby.  I'm sure glad I have something warmer than a TV clicker to keep me company at night!  Well, at least you have each other.   How sad.
KenC

I don't know what y ou are talking about. Had I not said that I was leaving for the Czech Republic in three weeks. I suspect to watch TV? Did I not date an Aeroflot flight attendant for 3 to 4 years, just recently deciding to head in a different direction? She and I may have had a sausage fest or two but in the years that I knew her I do not recall watching TV once with her. Maybe once in NY last year for 10 minutes. Aeroflot flight attendant, former Miss Russia, last year feature article in Glamor Magazine...Peewee gives up nothing when it comes to women and beauty. All I can think is that you might be a wee bit jealous, KC? Something that you could not have for yourself? I don't know but it seems to me that you spend a lot of time worrying about Turbo and my jetset lifestyles.

Peewee

[Turboguy]

LOL tbelknap

OK, KenC, if you want to talk about, sad let's talk about what is really sad.

Our topic is how important English is, with the person starting the post saying he did not think it was important.  We are here collecting opinions.  There are no facts, there are no sure fire answers.  I have my thoughts you have yours and really our thoughts are not as far apart as you let on but that is not important to what I am saying now.

Yes, Bruno, and PeeWee and I got off topic and started talking about how long it takes to find success.  Perhaps it is not on topic but it might benefit someone who is starting and thinks when he makes his first trip in a few months he will beautiful women falling all over him and begging them to marry him.  It might also reassure someone who has been at it a while and found tougher going than they thought.  It might not be on topic, but it is a subject that might help someone learn more about the process.

Personally I think it would be a good topic for a poll or it's own thread.  But that is neither here nor there to the point I am wanting to make now.

Now KenC, go back and read your own post or any of your recent posts.   There is not a thing constructive, your posts here are just spitting out negativity and nastiness and do nothing but show your nasty side and make yourself look bad.  It makes me wonder if you are filled with so much nastiness if your life could be half as happy as you claim.  Sad Ken, is your attitude and your posts.  

My suggestion that I think would help you in your life and to help RWD is that you go out and beat your dog to get all this out of your system and come back when you can post something constructive.  Now I think some of us want to get back to posting things that might help people.

Bruno, you said you thought I had a lot of unusual ways and risks.  You made me curious about that.  To me I am not doing things that much different than others.  My first incarnation in this I did mostly RMVM, then I tried a few romance tours, followed by a WMVM, followed by one WOMO which ended up with me engaged, followed by a mix of WMVM and WOVO, and I am about to try one of Jack's tours.  I look mostly for gals who speak English, and the gals I am in contact with range in age from early 30's to early 50's with most in the late 30's or early 40's range.  I try to avoid the beauty queens and look for a good woman instead.  To me that is not much different than anyone else is doing.

[BillyB]

    Hey Guys!

       Well it is now 2 days and 60 posts. Will somebody please put the freekin horse back in
the tannery. I can see why I decided to audit this industry. You guys are supposed to be adding
good info to help us new guys on the block. I think club bicker is down the hall to your right.
        Somebody mentioned Santa Claus? You guys keep going and Christmas will be HERE!
       Can Another RWD member close this?
        Lets just say that if a proper UK man Les can marry a very proper Russian Gal it can
be done. Will it take work? YESSSSSS! A good marriage always takes work by both.
        Now I know why all the gals dance by themselves at the socials. If you guys are this
bored who would blame them.   
               

I bet a lot of newbies are thinking the same thing. There's a lot of good advice pertaining to the topic of whether or not a RW needs to speak English but the message is getting lost with the bickering. Say your 2 cents and move on. Newbies could take the advice or leave it. Hopefully they end up wiser. Whatever I wanted to say has been said so I stayed out of the topic until now.

Welcome Durk, most us stubborn guys have a woman already. That's why we're like this. 

[BC]

Seems being able to communicate has been established as a prerequsite within the 'envelope of normality'.
.
I don't buy the foreign guy/RW idea as justification for not being able to communicate.  With all the couples I know here and in Germany a common language was involved.  May not be the language of the country they are living in but a common language between the partners existed, usually English or Russian. The host nation language skills came afterwards.

A bit off topic but the other interesting fact is that these couples were not even looking for a RW for the purposes of marriage..  Maybe that helps explain some of the heated differences of opinion encountered upthread.

I think some folks simply try too hard, even limiting their choices by chasing RW around the globe.. but guess that's another worn out topic..  It's certainly not what I would consider a jet-set activity.  Fasten your seatbelts:  Stews are flirt material and that's it imho.. much like the doctor discussion, unless both partners live the same lifestyle it's quite useless to persue a true relationship with them even if they do speak English.. that's why the letters on the remote wear out quicker.

Jealous?.. absolutely not.