The Struggle For Ukraine

[Chelseaboy]

Krim.


       You're wrong...just as you was last summer about an impending nuclear attack on Ukraine in the fall....and now you're starting that nonsense again.


There will be no nuclear attack by Russia on Ukraine....unless Putler believes Russia is going to be invaded by Ukraine,and that won't happen .


The reason for that is because Putler and his regime is well aware of the consequences to Russia if they use a nuke.


The west will not allow a despotic regime to control the world by using nukes..end of.


The way you bluster anybody would think the USA,UK and France didn't have nukes too.

[Trenchcoat]

why do you think Russia has been transferring all it's nuclear technology to Iran and China in the first place?
when Russia makes their move, ya think Iran and China won't join in and make their moves, as well?
three acting jointly increases their strength compared to just one

USA no longer has the means for more than a short fight with just one enemy. they don't have the personnel or material to fight three simultaneously, and can't fight one, for more than a few weeks

the USA does not want to use tactical nukes, tried getting rid of them
Russians did the opposite they dominate this field the way the west dominates the economic field

they'll fight using the tools that give them the greatest advantage, nothing else they have gives them this kinda leverage
after next year, this is the ONLY option the oligarchs have to survive the crisis they created

there ain't gonna be no happy ending to this story
only the first chapter of Ukraine's suffering has been written
new chapters and volumes are coming from the same author

this is a brutal jungle fight, that will be fought to the "finish" between a predator and its prey
nature favors the predator
there's only gonna be one survivor here
when it's all over

i'm just a "friendly naturalist" tellin ya'll it like it is
nobody likes to see the cute little animals devoured by fierce beasts
but it happens

denial, ain't a river in egypt
ya'll need to face what's coming...
and not look away
and pretend that it's not

the thing that is NOT gonna happen
is for the oligarchs to give up
they're homocidal maniacs and not suicidal
they love themselves too much for that

killing hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians to maintain their privilige
is a virtue and not a sin to them
ain't no angels gonna stand in the way of the devils
gott is nicht mit uns

That's a great summery of the situation Krim

I don't think some realise the scope of Russia's ability for aggression. Some have gotten over confident of Ukraine's ability due to the early stage cock up by Russia and armed forces losses on Russia. They don't see though that those armed forces losses aren't war winning in themselves and that Russia is coming back strong with a much better strategic take this year and potentially for the years thereafter.

Here is an article on Ukraine's Counter-offensive so far which concurs with what I have been saying that they are not going to make it this year:

http://kyivindependent.com/washington-post-us-intelligence-thinks-ukraine-will-fail-to-reach-counteroffensives-key-goal/

Basically it's Ukraine that has messed up this year in being too cautious on troop losses and being too obvious on where they were going to counterattack. Not only that but they got overconfident that western tanks were going to be a war winner for them when they had already demonstrated to the Russians that tanks were of limited use in this conflict.

So some big mistakes by Ukraine this year which they can ill afford. Since like you say Russia is likely to hit back in subsequent years with mini nukes so Ukrainians can't afford for the conflict to still be ongoing heading into that territory.

So despite western military advice to attack with large forces across a large front Ukraine has muffed it up good and proper by being too cautious and attacking in small groups to minimise losses. This being war of course is a situation where sacrifices at times are needed and Ukraine balked on that one. So again using last year's strategy of minimising troop losses but not realising they needed to switch and ignoring their allies expertise on this.

I think Ukraine has become accustomed to putting the tab at the west's expense and so is playing it too cautious as we're footing the bill on this one. I definitely think western powers need to get in their and give the Ukrainian government a right kick up the arse on this one to get them to toe the line.

[krimster2]

the USA doesn't care about Ukraine's welfare
they only care about keeping Ukraine away from being re-absorbed by Russia, cuz it increases Russia's strength, making them that much harder to stop "next time"
all of America's "aid" is designed to keep Ukraine "independent of russia" and nothing more
there are no altruists in power here
this is real politik baby

so if I told ya in 1939, that Germany was gonna declare war on the USA real soon now
and 1940 rolled 'round and still no war with USA
would ya call that prediction "a fail"
I reckon ya would...

it's roughly 6 months until Putinas "election"
I don't quite understand the dynamics cuz it's so complicated with so many facets
n-body gravitational mechanics are WAY more complicated than just a 2-body one

but I do know that after the "election", Putina will seek "retribution"
and he'll have just a single means of achieving it
Russia will no longer have the conventional military equipment left
to make any further progress in Ukraine
then Putina will start "making the pitch" to the Russian people
that them no good nato lovin faschistas are comin to kidnap THEIR KIDS
AHHHH
and in the USA unleash a torrent of disinformatze
designed to reduce USA support

all big military decisions have a "political context"
nobody, and I mean nobody does a better job at political information manipulation than Russians

USA political decision makers will have to contend with declining public support for the ukrainian war, at a time when they're considering escalation
these politicians really only care about one thing
themselves
and if this decision isn't good for their political future
then they won't make it
and Putin will work very hard to convince them it's not gonna be in their best interest
ask Trump


"The reason for that is because Putler and his regime is well aware of the consequences to Russia if they use a nuke."

this is why China is pushing Putin into calling the West's bluff, and I know for a fact they're bluffing
there will be a token response, that will cease after Putin destroys a large Ukrainian town in retribution for the attack
and that's it...

remember Russia gave Syrians a Novichok factory, and when the syrians used it in a WMD, what was the US's response...
a stern letter

storms are comin
seek shelter

[Chelseaboy]

Photo of a burning TU-22M3 Russian bomber after a drone strike on a military airfield in Siltsy,Novgorod region,Russia..


Training for Ukrainian fighter pilots and engineers on F-16's has now started.


Denmark and The Netherlands will be supplying 42 F-16's in the initial tranche once the training is completed...that will be in approx 6 months time.


Ukrainian pilots are also training on the Swedish Gripen JAS39 fighter jets.


Russia may well be losing all it's air cover in the not too distant future...ideal for nukes to strike if needed.

Maybe even pre-emptive strikes.

BOOM ! 


Moscow/Russia can't even protect itself from Drone strikes now.


That would make Krim and Trench spit out their coffee.

[krimster2]

WTF, you talkin about homey?

how well did London fare, in 1940?
did that determine the outcome of the war?
it didn't in asia
2 nuclear weapons did that...

you english speaking peoples, all wish to stick your heads in the sand
and kick dirt at those who don't

I get it, my family and their community suffered terribly in both world wars
both in Britain and USA
and so prefer to live in denial
that it can't "happen again, it just can't"
and the people who ARE gonna make it happen
are relying on you to do JUST THAT!


dat's OK
cuz while yur head is in the sand
your ass is in the air
and sure enuff, somebody gonna come along and kick it

don't say I didn't warn ya
I haz small tribal loyalty to Anglo Saxons
I tries to help 'em
but they always frustrate me

Russians, on the other hand, listen to me intensely
so I like Russians more than ya'll

but because I'm a nationalist
I care more about the people than the system and it's failed leadership
if this were 1905, there's be this MASSIVE underground movement in Russia for me to join
but there ain't one today

and that subject is itself worthy of reflection
why Russia hasn't had October 1917 already...
and under what conditions would it
and how close will they be to this threshold, say 2 yr from now
and without the "underground" who will the revolutionaries be?

this is why Maidan "triggered" Putin
Russia/Ukraine copy each other
cuz the kultura is pretty much the same
so ideas migrate easily 'cross the border

after Maidan, Putin thought
either I take Ukraine, or Maidan will take Russia
was he wrong?
IMHO, no he wasn't

he's postponed maidan
but hasn't canceled it yet

how many nukes will it take, how much prepping the public and foreign politicians?
to remove the maidan threat, once and for all

the answer my friend, is blowing in the wind
the answer is blowing in the wind

[2tallbill]

[Trenchcoat]

the USA doesn't care about Ukraine's welfare
they only care about keeping Ukraine away from being re-absorbed by Russia, cuz it increases Russia's strength, making them that much harder to stop "next time"
all of America's "aid" is designed to keep Ukraine "independent of russia" and nothing more
there are no altruists in power here
this is real politik baby

so if I told ya in 1939, that Germany was gonna declare war on the USA real soon now
and 1940 rolled 'round and still no war with USA
would ya call that prediction "a fail"
I reckon ya would...

it's roughly 6 months until Putinas "election"
I don't quite understand the dynamics cuz it's so complicated with so many facets
n-body gravitational mechanics are WAY more complicated than just a 2-body one

but I do know that after the "election", Putina will seek "retribution"
and he'll have just a single means of achieving it
Russia will no longer have the conventional military equipment left
to make any further progress in Ukraine
then Putina will start "making the pitch" to the Russian people
that them no good nato lovin faschistas are comin to kidnap THEIR KIDS
AHHHH
and in the USA unleash a torrent of disinformatze
designed to reduce USA support

all big military decisions have a "political context"
nobody, and I mean nobody does a better job at political information manipulation than Russians

USA political decision makers will have to contend with declining public support for the ukrainian war, at a time when they're considering escalation
these politicians really only care about one thing
themselves
and if this decision isn't good for their political future
then they won't make it
and Putin will work very hard to convince them it's not gonna be in their best interest
ask Trump


"The reason for that is because Putler and his regime is well aware of the consequences to Russia if they use a nuke."

this is why China is pushing Putin into calling the West's bluff, and I know for a fact they're bluffing
there will be a token response, that will cease after Putin destroys a large Ukrainian town in retribution for the attack
and that's it...

remember Russia gave Syrians a Novichok factory, and when the syrians used it in a WMD, what was the US's response...
a stern letter

storms are comin
seek shelter

Excellent analysis once again Krim! Yes, the rough time to when Russia uses mini nukes can likely be put down to when their military hardware reserves get depleted pretty low. Low enough like you say to make any advance a non starter without of course using mini nukes or similar.

Not a time one would wish to be in Ukraine that's for sure.

[krimster2]

your praise is like sweet music to my ears...

a contrarian view is that the worst time is ALWAYS the best time...
you get to experience a lot of emotions, yours and people around ya in war time
get an iphone cuz of the camera
my kids and I put on gas masks in Tel Aviv during the rocket sirens when they were little, I should post the pics...
if I am allowed the use of the "G" word I will, OTOH...

Trench, you might get lucky and capture an iconic image in Ukraine
and fame and fortune (and infinite pooty tang) will follow in it's wake

the closer you are to the war, the more likely you are to become it's witness. and dare I say even 'participant'
Trench, watch an American movie called "Hacksaw Ridge" and picture it near Kherson
do you see what i'm showing ya, or not?

Trench, you can choose that yur either gonna die a lonely old man with 100% certainty , vrs a small chance you gonna die in Ukraine making food delivery ambulance driving, etc
and Trench, you can be CERTAIN that this woman WILL have genuine feelings for you, if you treat her with GREAT tenderness
like seriously, I know how to coax kidneys out of Russian wimmin by just 'sweet talkin' 'em

you wouldn't be the first guy to luck into his good fortune
but don't look at it when it goes off

i've come close to dying, so many times
I have lost all fear of death

you really need to GTF outta your village Trench
you want me to inspire you?
OK?

finish your place ASAP, and the moment you do, rent it out and live with yur ma, and tell yur employer yur leavin for Ukraine as a relief volunteer
and go do it

when ya come back to the UK you will have a woman with ya, I guarantee it, or I'll refund ya 300% of what this advice cost ya
don't pick for looks, pick one who will work with ya and improve yur lives together
go and earn your karma trench
and surely only goodness will follow you

--or--
remain in your village, and keep watching porn FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE!
think about that, next time you "do it"
oopsie! what happened to it??!!

on top of that, HTF do you even eat your own cooking and keep your house tidy?
hmmmm, you only clean up when someone comes over, you think we don't ALL know this about you?
what brand of cardboard microwave oven frozen food do you prefer? Sainsbury?

yeah Trench, I can see why ya wouldn't wanna do anything to risk a swell life like that!
my bad!!!

and Jezzz louise
and it's only a 4.5 hr flight for you to...
I used to commute half that time, every single day
and never once grumbled about it
because I'm a mean, lean, fightin machine
and you one of them polite, soft spoken, english fellers

[Trenchcoat]

your praise is like sweet music to my ears...

a contrarian view is that the worst time is ALWAYS the best time...
you get to experience a lot of emotions, yours and people around ya in war time
get an iphone cuz of the camera
my kids and I put on gas masks in Tel Aviv during the rocket sirens when they were little, I should post the pics...
if I am allowed the use of the "G" word I will, OTOH...

Trench, you might get lucky and capture an iconic image in Ukraine
and fame and fortune (and infinite pooty tang) will follow in it's wake

the closer you are to the war, the more likely you are to become it's witness. and dare I say even 'participant'
Trench, watch an American movie called "Hacksaw Ridge" and picture it near Kherson
do you see what i'm showing ya, or not?

Trench, you can choose that yur either gonna die a lonely old man with 100% certainty , vrs a small chance you gonna die in Ukraine making food delivery ambulance driving, etc
and Trench, you can be CERTAIN that this woman WILL have genuine feelings for you, if you treat her with GREAT tenderness
like seriously, I know how to coax kidneys out of Russian wimmin by just 'sweet talkin' 'em

you wouldn't be the first guy to luck into his good fortune
but don't look at it when it goes off

i've come close to dying, so many times
I have lost all fear of death

you really need to GTF outta your village Trench
you want me to inspire you?
OK?

finish your place ASAP, and the moment you do, rent it out and live with yur ma, and tell yur employer yur leavin for Ukraine as a relief volunteer
and go do it

when ya come back to the UK you will have a woman with ya, I guarantee it, or I'll refund ya 300% of what this advice cost ya
don't pick for looks, pick one who will work with ya and improve yur lives together
go and earn your karma trench
and surely only goodness will follow you

--or--
remain in your village, and keep watching porn FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE!
think about that, next time you "do it"

on top of that, HTF do you even eat your own cooking and keep your house tidy?
hmmmm, you only clean up when someone comes over, you think we don't ALL know this about you?
what brand of cardboard microwave oven frozen food do you prefer? Sainsbury?

yeah Trench, I can see why ya wouldn't wanna do anything to risk a swell life like that!
my bad!!!

Funny you mention 'Hacksaw Ridge' & Kherson. Kherson girl wrote that she watched Hacksaw Ridge in one of her early letters to me. I doubt it though didn't fit her girliness, think she was using a few off the peg template letters, but she wrote back to some of my questions, at least it may have been her lol.

At the moment there is this girl, she's only 19ish I think. Something about her just kind of connects with me, not sure what, she's pretty enough but it's not quite that. Usually UK girls I'm not too bothered about and girls that young. Just kind of feels like she fits kind off but maybe my imagination is running away with me. She's seems different in some ways, prettyish but not quite the usually personality that seems to often come with that. My mind tells me I want her and she wants me but it's complicated and probably me being a bit shot away who knows. Not much I can do as things stand as far as I can see, so will just see on that one.

Other than that yeah will just have to see how things go after finishing of the house. Getting to close to war could make me a victim as much as anything else so I'm not that eager. Would rather try a non war zone like Moldova first she what girls might crop up there. Your ideas are interesting though.

[krimster2]

I hear the meadow larks whistling above...
Trench...
Trench...
Trench is in LOVE

and...
this is "where the story ends"
it's just a little souvineer of a terrible year...

tis just 4 months to christmas mate
meet this girl then, not at all too early to talk about and plan,
tell her how much you just wanna help the people of Ukraine
and are plannin on volunteering
ok...

19 yr old ukrainian girls, are the sweetest thing you'll EVER see in your entire phuquing life
but NOOOOOO.....
you wanna spend christmas with yo mommy and eat that welsh puddin and rarebit doncha?
and then after the holidayz go back to eaten them frozen meat pies
WE KNOW!!!!

what destiny are ya gonna choose Trench?
you can make the choice tomorrow if you want
or you can wait, the rest of your life
and NEVER make it

at the VERY least pursue christmas with this future intention
that puddin is just like what ya had last year, and the year before, and the year before that

you ain't NEVER in your whole life seen 19 yr old red snapper
ok....

so enjoy your puddin Trench
Have yourself a very Merry Christmas
but thinka the present you coulda unwrapped
instead of socks and underwear from your mom

PS
da, in addition to the 100 million USD Tu-22M3 loss
a 500 million USD space probe designed to boost Russian morale
instead crashed into the moon and lowered it

you can feel the anxiety on the street in Moscow
a sharp increase in every kinda violence
you better not display "stupid foreigner face"  on the street at night
under them bright sodium lights
I know the photo apparat locations and used that route
if I had to go out and "do bizness"

I have the most amazing Israeli technology for altering my facial appearance
and can skip through all Russian facial recognition systems
or not, depending...

consistant inconstinancy equals the ability to deny accusations and supply positive evidence
while denying negative evidence, saying I was "setup"
and then have a 3rd party supply them with the "evidence" that proves your story...

then depending on your job title, you may be asked to "do favors"

if you are somebody with a lotta useful technical and magerial skills or in some cases linguistic skills
and you got some kinda even mid-level flow with ladies
and on top of that are able to figure out out a money making business in Kazakhstan, etc (check out gem stones, get GIA certified!)
some kinda import/export
easy, PZ stuff

after ya got this, and your russian bizness cards
the hands down best way to operate in Russia
is to know who the mob families are and where they hang out socially
believe it or not all this info is published on-line, I have an old copy
its 100s of pages

go to these places and meet a woman, don't matter a'tall what she looks like
it only matters if you can apprentice under her father,
and how useful your talents and passport will be to him
and you swear your loyalty to him, by saying if he ever needs help with any 'kind of problem' he can call you 24/7
and when he tells ya to shoot, YOU SHOOT!!!

[krimster2]

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russian-dam-bursts-washing-away-railroad-economy-to-lose-billions/ar-AA1fwMp3?ocid=winp1taskbar&cvid=e8efd3ed905d4346a5442171fa5dcc83&ei=19

2nd collapsed dam in Russia in just the last week....
ya think anyone's gonna look at all the rest of them crackin dams?
with WHAT budget and people, may I ask?
all that's either in some offshore account, or at the front,
workin on the special "Merger and Acquisition" of Ukraine
this is how Russians do "bizness"

now China and Russia are makin their move together in Nicaragua
sure you dumb gringos go and build your freakin wall
so ya'll can keep thinkin that you're better than everybody else

ya'll gonna be facing three great tyrannies:
warlord kings
the morbidly rich keeping average people in squalor and ignorance while making themselves richer and more powerful
violence-enforced theocracies.

how many of ya'll will be fighting back I wonder?
sheeeeeet, ya'll kiddin me?
ya'll couldn't even handle puttin on a mask during a plague
you gonna launch WWIII over Ukraine?
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

russians will all retreat into their dungeon of drunkeness
most of ya'll will do your own version

few of ya'll realize that an historical inflection point is on the horizon
there WILL be blood

little tiny signs of this are EVERYWHERE

ok BEEL,
my crazy business idea:

Luft Waffles

catchy, isn't it...


PostScript

ukrainian drones flew unimpeded all the way to Moscva (750 km)
shut down all airport traffic at all airports in Moscow causing massive flight diversions, delays
and exploded on the ulitsya next to that Suka on Kremlin TV

Russians of course blew up an orthodox church in chernigov and killed a little 6 yr old kid

there ain't really no difference except for quantity for blowing up little kids
with chemical explosives, whose energy is dervived from the re-arrangement in electrons that produces 1 or 2 electron volts
and fer a neutron explosive, where the energy level is 200 million electron volts

it's just bigger

I promise ya'll bog will not be any more pissed at ya fer killin kids with neutrons rather than with electrons
if you in for a kopec, ya might as well be in for a Ruble
n'est pas mes amis?

i'm just playin the devil's advocate
pro bono, of course

but, if this is the hand that's being dealt to you next year
how many ukrainian towns full of Ukrainain children are you willing to shove "into the pot"
before these losses start mounting and you decide to fold?

my Russian focus group, would like to know what your feelings are on this...
it's a kinda predictive analysis

spossiba


the best way to deceive others about themselves is to tell them the truth about yourself


 

[Trenchcoat]

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russian-dam-bursts-washing-away-railroad-economy-to-lose-billions/ar-AA1fwMp3?ocid=winp1taskbar&cvid=e8efd3ed905d4346a5442171fa5dcc83&ei=19

2nd collapsed dam in Russia in just the last week....
ya think anyone's gonna look at all the rest of them crackin dams?
with WHAT budget and people, may I ask?
all that's either in some offshore account, or at the front,
workin on the special "Merger and Acquisition" of Ukraine
this is how Russians do "bizness"

Damn lol.

See the Russian Rouble is on a pretty much downward trajectory against the British Pound and the US Dollar etc since the war began even now. So it looks like things are going to get increasingly worse for Russians inside Russia. Would have thought can only get so bad and then the system all cracks up. With Dams going adding to the economic mess that's only going to make more things worse. If the infrastructure breaks down then it's even more difficult for the economy to function. So again another matter that will push our Putler towards mini nukes at some point in the near future.

Any update from those you know in Russia or Ukraine on the present situation out there Krim?

[krimster2]

the middle-aged men of the village of "Rancho Del Krim"
are fightin in Zaporizhzhia, they all have gray beards and look like chechens
each little clique of dewds will have a cat, usually a small scrawny, dirty one
(do not EVER touch a "soldatskaya koshka" or you will freakin die a horrible death - SLOVO!)

they have "state-of-the-art" firearms, even look new,  but their appearance, is not like they're part of a professional army
they look more like "partisans"
their attire would never pass in USA or Israel armed forces, they'd consider it a HUGE lack of discipline
eta horrosho in Ruzzia
it ain't an army, it's an armed nationalistic mob of mercenaries (army = 5X salary of gopnick, and HaHa it's just "paper" the gummit prints...HaHa)
Render unto Putin, the things that are Putin's
Here Putin, take all of this paper!

wimmin folk, holding down the fort in crimea, tryin to survive the crashing ecomomy
50% yr inflation, no tourism, no agriculture, they hear explosions every other day now
and they gotta live with the daily stress of whether their huband/kid is gonna get killed
every Russian woman fears the mailbox and the phone or worse a knock on the door

men are discouraged from talkin to family about the war
village has spies who will rat out what soldiers are cryin to their families
and report em for discipline

the russian army is just another kind of Russian Gulag, you're a prisoner, not a hero of the russian people in pursuit of "glory"
in russia you leave one prison only to enter another one



100% Russia is gonna go nuclear either next yr or the yr after
and after they do, they're gonna say, "but we TOLD YOU we would, and you ignored it, so this is YOUR fault!

I see it...
but, i'm just a simple country boy
who stands at the edge
and isn't afriad to look below


once more picture of afore mentioned crimean labor village for agricultural workers created in Soviet time
from the south, facing north
this was my turf
a rambling collection of hillbilly shacks
it was a freakin paradise

Putin phuqued it up for me
and phuqued up all my plans in the far east as well
and even for my kid to go to school there

but instead of feeling like I've "lost something"
I feel like I've gained something, cuz I'm like a"coach" to two younger Russian guys now...
and they treat me like I'm their dad

all of you who reject the idea of the coming use of nuclear weapons in ukraine
do so, on the basis of "deterence"
and say, look this system has worked for 75 yr!
and don't realize how context changes the rules

ya'll never planned WTF to do, if Russia nukes Odesa
only if they nuked Ohio or Oslo
WTF, would Russians nuke Odesa?
hmmmm hmmmmm

bigger question, WTF are YOU gonna DO????

[Chelseaboy]

I reckon Krim and his acolyte Trench will still be blustering away about nukes being used on Ukraine by Russia in two years time.


"I'm telling youse....Russia is gonna nuke Ukraine shortly..you'll see " 


Meanwhile in the real world orc mobiks are reporting that on the metro in Moscow,Muscovites look at them in uniform,move away and say to  them "Ewww murderers".

[krimster2]

Oh Chelseaboy, you look just "darling" sweetheart in that blue and gold cheerleading costume, you are SUCH a flirt!
the legs are a bit hairy, but not bad...

the only losers there will be for certain, will be the "average" people on both sides
and the only winners, the oligarchs on both sides

at worse, yur fightin over which group of former soviet apparachiks should control ukraine
yeah, makes a whole hell of a lot of difference who that is, to a guy who only makes $200 USD/month
totally see why a half million killed and seriously wounded so far with no end in sight to get that "political uncertainty" outta the way, if that's not worth at least a million lives and a Trillion dollars, then honestly, I don't know what would!
Humpf!!!

can't WE ALL just GET ALONG?
Putin almost "had it" 10 yr ago with the  Customs Union of Belarus, Kazakhstan and Russia and was 90% of the way to adding Ukraine

had he done so, and then taken the next step, which was to just loan Ukraine a lot of money it could never pay back, so they'd put a lien on the whole damn country and steal everything legally
and HE ALMOST DID IT!!!

but then, it's like the tide had come all the way in
and then it stopped, and reversed course,  and it keeps receding
and ain't stopped yet

Chelsea boy, you come near me and I will scratch your eyes out, bitch
uhhhmmmm, you heard me


you want exact date for something?
OK
August 24

[Trenchcoat]

I reckon Krim and his acolyte Trench will still be blustering away about nukes being used on Ukraine by Russia in two years time.


"I'm telling youse....Russia is gonna nuke Ukraine shortly..you'll see " 


Meanwhile in the real world orc mobiks are reporting that on the metro in Moscow,Muscovites look at them in uniform,move away and say to  them "Ewww murderers".

There's possibly an outside chance if Russia falls apart quickly we may avoid them nuking Ukraine. The economy is getting into a dire state out there as the rouble is crashing through the floor and inflation takes hold. If it falls apart so quick that Putler and his cronies can't respond to the situation and left powerless then it might be avoided that way.

Other way is if Russia & Ukraine agree to Russia roughly annexing the present territory while Ukraine joins NATO. Such a peace treaty would avoid nukes but it's difficult to see either side agreeing, not impossible but difficult, probably difficult enough that it's unlikely to happen.

So yeah I agree with Krim that mini nuking Ukraine is the most likely situation unfortunately. Both Russia running out of armaments and a need for an end to the conflict before Russia's economy totally fails.

If Putler's back is to the wall like that then he is out of all other options he will have to go with the mini nuke option. Not doing so would be the end of him and his oligarch supporters would not allow that nir I doubt he would so it will be seen as the only logical and successful way out of the situation never mind what the rest of the world thinks they don't feature in the equation.

[Boethius]

Meanwhile in the real world orc mobiks are reporting that on the metro in Moscow,Muscovites look at them in uniform,move away and say to  them "Ewww murderers".

I can believe some move away. However let’s not lose sight of the fact that the majority of Russians support the war. Also, there would be consequences to denigrating soldiers. Probably a jail sentence.

This article suggests that Ukraine has destroyed several planes, launching drones from inside Russia. If the link doesn’t have a token let me know and I will provide an alternate source -

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/08/22/five-jets-blown-up-three-days-inside-russia-ukraine-mod/

[Chelseaboy]

We have a defection story today.


A Russian pilot of a Mi-8AMTSH defected with his helicopter to Ukraine a few weeks ago.The chopper was transporting spare parts for SU-27 and SU-30M fighter jets.The operation was coordinated with the Ukrainian intelligence.The other two crew members of the Mi-8 were killed after the chopper landed somewhere in Kharkiv.The family of the Russian pilot was brought to safety.


Chopper and spare parts now in possession of the Ukrainian forces.


Source  ( Ukrainian) of story and pictures.


pravda.com.ua/news/2023/08/2.

[Chelseaboy]

[Chelseaboy]

[krimster2]

love is like a cruise missile flyin over your head
if one ever hit ya, your lonliness would be dead

the deepest irony is where the world will drown itself

The biggest change over the last three decades in Russia nad the USA that feed the insecurities and resentments of the working class — has nothing to do with western “woke”ism, .
It has directly to do with a huge shift in the distribution of income and wealth.

and those who received the majority of the wealth,
are using their wealth and power to get the state to act in their interest, instead of the interest of the working class
the oligarchs will control the media for the working class, to make sure the only information they receive is information the oligarchs create for them

look how well it works
American oligarchs got a 1,000 trump supporters to go to prison for Trump's coup
Russian oligarchs got hundreds of thousands of Russians to die in Ukraine to support their "merger and acquisition", I guess you can call this a "hostile take over"
sheep only get led to the slaughterhouse

Nietzsche was right about humans being a "herd animal"
almost all the great things that were created by humans
were all done by individuals who weren't "part of the herd"
without them, we'd all be livin like superstitious southerners in Mississippi but without electricity
moonshine and watermelon rine
and dusky native girls workin in the fields

but I hear screaming, bull whips cracking
how long, how long

russian and amerikan elites
created a slave society for the masters


what happens, when slave societies fight a losing war, after it ends in defeat?
oopsie!

[Boethius]

Prigozhin allegedly was killed today. His private plane was shot down over Tver. His name was on the passenger list of the seven, nine, or ten (depending on the report) people onboard.

[Grumpy]

Yevgeny Prigozhin listed as passenger on plane which crashed with no survivors, Russian aviation authority says

Reuters has reported that the Russian mercenary chief Yevgeny Prigozhin was listed as a passenger on a private jet which crashed north of Moscow on Wednesday, the TASS news agency reported, citing Rosaviatsia, Russia’s aviation authority.

“An investigation has been launched into the Embraer plane crash that occurred tonight in the Tver region. According to the passenger list, among them is the name and surname of Yevgeny Prigozhin,” Rosaviatsia said.

Earlier TASS had reported that ten people had died after a private jet crashed in Russia’s Tver region north of Moscow. The jet, en route from Moscow to St Petersburg, was carrying seven passengers and three crew.

AP confirms story.

[Grumpy]

 Russia has removed Sergei Surovikin, nicknamed "General Armageddon", as head of the air force after he vanished from public view during a Wagner mercenary mutiny against the top army brass, two Russian news outlets reported on Wednesday.

A recipient of Russia's top military award, Surovikin is the most senior Russian military figure to lose his job over the June 23-34 mutiny, which President Vladimir Putin said could have tipped Russia into civil war.

Wagner boss Yevgeny Prigozhin, who spearheaded the revolt, remains free and on Monday posted a video address which he suggested was shot in Africa. The two men Prigozhin had wanted to topple - Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu and Valery Gerasimov, chief of general staff - remain in their posts.

Once commander of Russia's overall war effort in Ukraine when he was lauded by Russian and Western military experts as one of its most effective operators, Surovikin has not yet been publicly fired.

However, Russian state news agency RIA cited an unnamed but "informed" source as saying: "Ex-chief of the Russian Air and Space Forces Sergei Surovikin has now been relieved of his post, while Colonel-General Viktor Afzalov, head of the main staff of the Air Force, is temporarily acting as commander-in-chief of the Air Force".

The RBC news outlet - citing two unnamed sources familiar with the situation - also reported that Surovikin had been removed from his post.

http://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-appoints-new-aerospace-forces-chief-after-incumbent-vanished-during-2023-08-23/

[Chelseaboy]

Sky News says Prigozhin was on the passenger list of the crashed plane and that ten people were on board.


However,latest report from Russian news agencies is that eight bodies have been found.


Hmmm


Wonder if Prigozhin is one of the missing bodies ?