The Struggle For Ukraine

[olgac]

now Ukranian refugees will lose leal status
http://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-plans-revoke-legal-status-ukrainians-who-fled-us-sources-say-2025-03-06/?fbclid=IwY2xjawI2q49leHRuA2FlbQIxMAABHfZ7QYhp6Ff13dUjzk8lbzcVjVs2LFXdb4u1bKIYeHV4tb5uL_S0XSzSUA_aem_ZCphghB9QQZDwsvZfNL3vg

[olgac]

Anyone needs more proof that Trump is just anti Ukrainian? or are his supporters still hoping it's just some genious plan we dont know about?

[Trenchcoat]

If Trump is preparing to revolve Ukrainian refugees status then they need to get with a US guy to stay in the country. Plenty of opportunity there for our Beefarmer

On a separate note the French apparently have military intelligence they are willing to share with Ukraine on its war efforts:

http://www.euronews.com/2025/03/06/france-to-continue-sharing-military-intelligence-with-ukraine-after-us-freeze

My guess is that if the UK, France, probably Germany, etc share military intelligence with Ukraine then Ukraine may not be so penalised by the loss of US military intelligence.

The move by Trump to try and coerce Ukraine to Putler's peace may just backfire I think. If Ukraine, the EU and the UK end up less dependent on IS support and instead the withdrawal of US support ends up enabling these three powers to work together and develop their own totally independent military apparatus then UK/EU/Ukraine may become highly powerful and come out on top. Russia in some ways may be the perfect catalyst to bring that about. Russia is much weaker now and doesn't have a lot left in it, it's advances in Ukraine are beginning to stall now and they weren't big advances before. Ukraine just needs the confidence to carry on without the US and foster greater co-operation with the UK/EU instead.

Russia can be defeated.

[ML]

Trump's people are also privately meeting with Zelensky's political enemies in Ukraine

I still say it would be best for Ukraine if Zelensky steps down.
Not concerned at all if that's what Russia and Trump wants.

Best for Ukrainian people if he steps down.

Trump would then move ahead much quicker with any help or deal for Ukraine, and Russia 'might' not be quite so demanding.

[krimster2]

"Trump would then move ahead much quicker with any help or deal for Ukraine"

why do you think Trump WOULD EVER DO THAT, under any circumstance?

"and Russia 'might' not be quite so demanding."

why do you think Putin WOULD EVER DO THAT, under any circumstance?

Putin and Trump HATE Zelensky, because he's the only thing standing between them and their BIG PayDay
Putin's hostile mafiya/oligarch corporate takeover of Ukraine - murder and execution instead of merger and acquisition
and yur solution, is to get rid of Zelensky so that Putin and partners get paid

Ukraine to give up one of it's most important assets
in return for nothing
and end up with a pro-Russian politician surrender monkey like yanukovich to replace Zelensky

totally genuis plan....for Putin and Trump....
PEACE = Ukraine surrenders
and that's why even Zelensky's political rivals vetoed this plan, as Trump's people pitched it to them this week

http://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-opposition-elections-poroshenko-zelenskyy/33338598.html

there is but ONE WAY to "negotiate" with Putin
which I thought ya'll learned back in the 30s with Adolph
you "praise the lord, and pass the ammunition"

if only somebody would turn that into a 'snappy' little tune

the outcome of this war is now in Europe's hands

6 months from now, nobody in the USA will be talking about Ukraine
cuz MUCH bigger problems closer to home will dominate people's attention instead

this month will determine Ukraine's future vrs $200 billion impounded Russian assets

I always told you rednecks, that the war will not be won or lost on the battlefield
at the moment, the primary field of battle is in European banks' boardrooms

Putin has Zelensky in check
if Zelensky gets the $200 billion then Putin is in check
I wonder if any bankers will fall out windows, or is the $200 billion it's own carrot for them to keep FOR Putin

Everything Will Be Revealed....soon...

[olgac]

Trump would then move ahead much quicker with any help or deal for Ukraine, and Russia 'might' not be quite so demanding.

I seriously doubt Trump even WANTS to help Ukraine. He is a big baby and is all about personal vendettas.
White House denied they want to deport refugees btw, they said it's under consideration but the decision hasn't been made yet.

[olgac]

krimster is correct. We WILL have bigger problems
Apparently history doesn't teach people anything
Here is how tariffs "helped" us during great depression
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smoot%E2%80%93Hawley_Tariff_Act

[krimster2]

spossiba olchik!!!

every "Introduction To Economics" text book published in the USA since 1950 will have a chapter on this
so THEY know

but that's NOT the only thing they know....
create a disaster, and then to fix the disaster, you screw citizens to favor the rich and powerful

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Shock_Doctrine

The goal of Trump supporters, is to spread Trump "disinformatze" to reduce resistance to Trump, until no other voice but Trump's is heard
people like BEEL, who are in the Trump Cult, are there to "spread the gospel of Trump"
BEEL doesn't worship GOD
He worships the BEAST 666

"The Shock Doctrine book"  argues that several man-made events, including the Iraq War, were intentionally undertaken with the goal of pushing through these unpopular policies in their wake.

Ukraine is just one of the little details

as an unapologetic Marxist, who HATES GULAGS
Trump's Economic Policies are Class Warfare 101
but since NOBODY in America, actually knows "what means Marxism" and Fox News sez Marxism = Satanism combined with Pedophilia
ya'll ain't got no clue about it
cuz very few people in America are ACTUALLY educated
they just know hwo to pass the test that sez they are

[2tallbill]

krimster is correct. We WILL have bigger problems
Apparently history doesn't teach people anything
Here is how tariffs "helped" us during great depression
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smoot%E2%80%93Hawley_Tariff_Act

There are no similarities to Smoot Hawley with what Trump is doing. Smoot
Hawley was imposed merely to protect American industries from foreign
competition.

Tariffs have so far been Carrot/Stick negotiating tools.

Trump has raised the specter of Tariffs repeatedly to get countries to stop an
action or to do the right thing on one issue or another. In the end, the tariffs
were removed after the country did the right thing. E.G. take their criminal
illegal aliens back (Colombia) or to put 10,000 troops on the border (Mexico)

The SH dutiable tariff rate peak in 1932 was 59.1%. So our European
trading partners reciprocated with matching tariffs of their own.

Trump also said he would impose reciprocal tariffs. That means we would match
European tariffs to our goods. So if France has a zero tariff on our wine then we
would have zero on their wine. 

The Smoot Hawley tariffs were not imposed as a carrot/stick or to equalize our
tariffs with the European tariffs.

Krimster is hyperventilating about his perceived Anti-Christ Donald Trump. I am
factually responding which means he will vomit a post with 89 totally unrelated
points in his pigeon English.

I think that you would have to do some creative mental gymnastics to relate
Trump tariff policy with Russia's criminal invasion of Ukraine.

[Edit to add] Krispyboy didn't need me to post for him to start playing with his
own poop.

[krimster2]

Trump said....
when has what "Trump said", ever once been true?

Tarriffs are an alternative to an income tax
Trump wants to reduce taxes on oligarchs and replace it with tarriffs of the same amount. paid for by the poor and middle class
then cut health, education, and welfare spending to reduce taxes on oligarchs even more, also paid for by the poor and middle class
and get rid of any health/environmental regulation that costs oligarchs money, and the health/environmental costs will be paid for by the poor and middle class
AND THAT'S THE TRUTH...or is it merely a coincidence....

Trump wants to do everything he can to help Russia
and everything to hurt Ukraine
and in view of his past, receiving substantial sums from Russians
leads me to believe Trump is favoring Putin, pursely for his own gain
AND THAT'S THE TRUTH...or is it merely a coincidence....
maybe they ARE NOT coincidences at all...

you love strawmen BEEL, cuz the only time you win a fight is with them, and NEVER ONCE with me
the irony is how ya call yurself educated, cuz ya can access wikipedia
pretty obvious to me, how "educated" ya are, yur High School really let ya down man...

[2tallbill]

Trump said....
when has what "Trump said", ever once been true?

The Dem's (yourself included) have been running around with their hair on fire
ever since Trump was sworn in. Has it been working?

My time is up. Enjoy your evening.

[krimster2]

da!!!
EMERGENCY! EVERYONE TO GET FROM STREET!!!

my hope, and really the World's hope
is for there to be an American Maidan
my belief is it's the only thing that will save us

I was so freaking angry when David Sacks, who is Trump's crypto guru
took a giant crap all over Maidan, called it fake, called it everything but "a revolution of dignity'
to serve Trump and Putin
serving Trump and Putin is all that matters to him
cuz his hedge fund depends on it

I think he'll like the American Maidan, much, much less than the Ukrainian one
when Maidan comes BEEL, watch for me on TV
I'm the really handsome gentleman carryin the Ukrainian flag
can't miss me
and neither will the FOX NEWS Host who commands Trump's army

what fascists absolutely rely on
is for the people to be static, do nothing...to oppose them
and the people need to do the opposite of that

[Trenchcoat]

Ukraine doesn't need to do any deal with Russia, it's the worst thing ever for them. It would be handing Russia a victory when they are starting to lose the war.

Recent news on the ground from Pokrovsk and Russia is big doing well:

http://www.google.com/amp/s/www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2025/03/5/7501426/index.amp

As predicted Russia's ability to conduct offensives around Pokrovsk is falling as they run out of Armaments. The graph in the above article is key here, it shows a noticeable fall in offensive attacks by Russian forces near Pokrovsk.

Russia is essentially running out of capability to conduct offensive campaigns as their Armaments supply slows down from its useable Soviet stockpiles having been largely exhausted now.

Offensive attacks will probably continue by Russia but they will lack the Armaments needed to make any of then successful, so they will be a forlorn hope by Russia.

Ukraine now just needs to hold the course and sit it out where they are at the front until the Russian economy implodes. That's the point if not before when Russia will have no other choice than to give up in Ukraine and it's military return home.

[ML]

Is there another thread for tariffs ?  Let's keep this one as it says  Ukraine.

I have heard from some and I still say:   IT WOULD BE BETTER FOR UKRAINE IF ZELENSKY STEPS DOWN.

I DON'T CARE IF TRUMP WOULD BE HAPPY ABOUT IT, I DON'T CARE IF PUTIN WOULD BE HAPPY ABOUT IT    . . .  IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR UKRAINIAN PEOPLE.

I ADMIRE ZELENSKY, BUT THAT IS IRRELEVANT . . . UKRAINIAN PEOPLE WOULD BE BETTER OFF IF HE STEPPED DOWN.

There have been many, many instances in history where two sides suddenly made progress when there was a change in one or both leaders.  Change in leader(s) gives 'cover' for one or both sides to come to agreement since that 'idiot' is finally not involved.

I'll start with just one example:

Reagan replaces Carter . . . Iran quickly releases hostages.

[krimster2]

"Reagan replaces Carter . . . Iran quickly releases hostages."
father pays ransom, kidnapper quickly releases his daughter

were you asleep during "Iran Contra"???
Iran released hostages becuz Raygun bribed them with weapons to do it

Zelensky isn't the obstacle for peace....
who is?
Putin and Trump

you replace Zelensky, you surrender Ukraine

you say, Ukraine should do what Russia wants
cuz that surely would work
this is EXACTLY what Trump told Zelensky
and when Zelensky said, "you can never trust Putin"
is when Grandpa had his epic melt down
HOW DARE YOU DISRESPECT THE GREAT LEADER - by getting between him and Putin's bribes

so yeah, replacing Zelensy, will OF COURSE be your solution as well as Trump's and Putin's
I'm curious which right wing web site is feeding you this BS
or is this something you've developed on yur own?

giving Hitler what he wanted, didn't work did it?
and by some miracle you think doin the same for Trump/Putin will?
becuz.... trading Iranian hostages for weapons worked
so trading Zelensky for nothing will also work

this is defective deductive reasoning at it's finest
you white boys are funny

seriously, aincha got ANY jews in yur area you can talk to and "find out stuff"
am i the only one of "God's chosen" ya are even in slight contact with, so everything I'm tellin ya is a surprise?

Dear White People
why ya'll "this way"

[ML]

UKRAINIANS WILL BE BETTER OFF IF ZELENSKY RESIGNS.

I DON'T CARE IF IT MAKES TRUMP HAPPY AND/OR MAKES PUTIN HAPPY.

UKRAINIANS WILL BE BETTER OFF.

[krimster2]

if there was even a 1% chance of that being TRUE (which there isn't)
Zelensky would've already resigned

yur thinking is too polarized, like Polaroid lenses, it filters out everything you look at

Zelensky leaving will in NO WAY help Ukraine
how? he's not the problem, so this can't possibly be the solution
but you BELIEVE otherwise, without a single piece of evidence to support it, other than "you say so"
which, to be fair, IS what Trump says as well

and you get just as mad as he does, when some JEW, who knows WTF he's talking about, corrects you
i'm not THE ONLY one who disagrees with you, the majority of Ukrainians do as well
but they don't count at all to you or Putin or Trump

you've shown me WHO ya are ML
I believe ya

so you can stop this nonsensical attempt to conceal yur true motives for these "beliefs"
that lack any supporting evidence, other than right-wing BS and wishful thinking

it's NOT WORKIN and it bores me to tears
becuz, it's so transparently false
just like you are

one of the greatest challenges you rednecks all face
is to understand that yur all 'a bunch of simpletons'

it wounds yur ego to feel that
and that's why you cling to stupidity, cuz of the certainty it provides, allows ya to feel OK about yurselves

note: I am a fully licensed Dairy Psychiatrist, specializing in the treatment of Redneck associative disorders and 100 % organic California Cheese
combining Psychaitric out patient services with dairy delivery is an efficiency, cost saving measure approved by DOGE




Hail Trump

all you rednecks wanted to throw brown and trans people under the bus
and ya still don't realize....
that later this year, yur going under the bus as well, cuz after ya helped the oligarchs get rid of those groups
they're gonna finish off EVERYBODY else below them...including you...and who will stand up for you? it won't be trans, or brown people, or me either

and ten years from now ya'll will wish it was a bus instead of a steamroller

bon appetite

[ML]

I PERSONALLY LIKE AND ADMIRE ZELENSY, BUT . . .

UKRAINIANS WILL BE BETTER OFF IF ZELENSKY RESIGNS.

I DON'T CARE IF IT MAKES TRUMP HAPPY AND/OR MAKES PUTIN HAPPY, OR IF IT MAKES THE POPE HAPPY.

UKRAINIANS WILL BE BETTER OFF.

[krimster2]

Zelensky should resign

Ukrainians disagree....
but we shouldn't listen to them....and should listen to you instead.....
because?
you say so...

is that a good summary of yur argument?

[ML]

My statements are based on pure logic.

Anyone with logic skills and understanding that a change in antagonistic participants will dramatically increase the chances of a good outcome will agree with me.

It is understandable that Ukrainians in general will rise to support a leader under attack.

But after that feeling runs its course, they will agree totally with me.

- - - - -

Note:  I have seen this first hand several times in top level merger and acquisition negotiations.

One or both sides let it be known that no progress can be made if X or Y is the head negotiator or even at the table.

New top people are brought in and the deal concludes.

[krimster2]

why do you think Putin and Trump are antagonistic to Zelensky?
they don't like his little beard?
so getting a clean shaven Ukrainian is required?
no, they hate him, becuz he's NOT a puppet they can manipulate
and want him replaced with someone they CAN manipulate

if change is all it takes...
well then...please replace Putin or Trump...and get on with it...
ohhh...not yur idea is it....

maybe the UK shoulda replaced Churchill, cuz Hitler and Mussolini didn't like him
sure would've been easier to surrender to the fascists that way

why is it hard for you to believe that Putin and Trump "aren't negotiating in Good Faith for PEACE"
that's theater for their true purpose
a Peace Treaty is just another way for Putin to try and steal Ukraine, and the only thing standing in the way...is Zelensky
Trump, Orban, etc all work for Putin

Zelensky's Plan
if Zelensky can get the Germans and French banks to hand over Russia's money to Ukraine
Zelensky can give the finger to Trump and Putin
no one else in Ukraine could do this

and the Russian economy will force Putin to ACTUALLY negotiate
once Putin realizes that Trump is of little real use to him in Ukraine, cuz of Europe,
then it's up to Putin's other allies in Europe to hurt Ukraine, like Slovakia’s Robert Fico, or the German AfD’s Alice Weidel, or Hungary's Orban
cuz Trump has nothing more to inflict on Ukraine, he already emptied his revolver at it
and Ukraine ain't dead yet

if it's ONLY Zelensky who leaves
then that's only Bull Shit,
and is light years away from any kinda logic I was ever taught, whether in philosophy or electrical engineering
you once had a job, I'm impressed, but it doesn't alter the idiocy of yur idea one bit
your rebuttal is a total failure just like yur original premise

look...I don't enjoy "beating up rednecks", "if I prick you, do you not bleed?" and then cry and run to yur MOMMY - HELL YES YOU ALL DO!!!
why ya'll make me DO THIS to ya
just stop the BS
and I'll stop scooping it up with my Super Duper Redneck Pooper Sccoper
OK?
negotiate THAT


Ukrainians will not be better off
becuz Putin will corrupt the election, just like he has done in this country
and Putin's choice will win, just like here
so yur plan is just another way of Ukraine surrendering to Putin...not a surprise
cuz yur vision is too polarized

if ya need to beat the dead horse more, which I'm sure yur Redneck EGO will demand you do
please go right ahead, but it ain't gonna get any more dead than it already is

I see the truth

JD Vance said, "Trump might be America's Hitler", before he became a Nazi
http://www.reuters.com/world/us/jd-vance-once-compared-trump-hitler-now-they-are-running-mates-2024-07-15/

Elon Musk's AI Chatbot: A 'Russian Asset' Delivered The State Of The Union
http://crooksandliars.com/2025/03/elon-musks-ai-chatbot-russian-asset

ML said Zelensky must resign
I do nazi the truth in that

Trump's plan for Putin...er I mean PEACE
as mansplained by JD Vance

yesterday Vance claimed a minerals deal with the United States would guarantee Ukranian security better than "20,000 troops from some random country that hasn’t fought a war in 30 or 40 years.”

so yes... Trump's Paper Dome is the plan for Ukraine's Security
a piece of paper with Trump's name on it to wave in front of Russian tanks
and when Zelensky said, you "can't trust Putin over a piece of paper"
Trump's response was to ACTUALLY TRY to replace Zelensky with a Russian puppet just like Trump himself

[olgac]

I personally don't care if Ukraine has Zelenskiy or someone else. I just want a real peace deal not capitulation to Putin.
And most of all I want Putin gone! This is because I care about Russia too and don't want them to go back to Stalinism!
Imagine what will happen on that front if Putin declares victory!

[krimster2]

I care about those things to Olga...
the American President, is no longer leader of the free world
Ukraine's President is
Zelensky is now the REAL LEADER of The Free World
the primary obstacle who stands in the way of Putin/Trump fascista
what will happen when you remove that obstacle?
something good, or something bad?

America doesn't care about people in Ukraine or even people in America
America is Walmart, low IQ, obesity, and greed ruled over by an orange shit gibbon
it's a paradise that is being turned into a waste land

[2tallbill]

My statements are based on pure logic.

That's your mistake, Krispy Krim can't use logic. This is like reasoning with a Muslim
Jihadi with a suicide vest on. The leftwing nutjob stance is the ONLY stance allowed.
He is incapable of living with anyone who has single deviation point from his creed. 

Everything is the war of Gog and Magog for Krimster.

[krimster2]

based on the irrefutable evidence that you rednecks have never ONCE made a single logical statement in this thread...
I'm beginning to think that rednecks don't REALLY understand the philosophical concept of logic, it's all GREEK to them, so non comprendez
anecdotes, right wing propaganda, and wishful thinking, I'm sorry to have to tell ya, is not a logical thesis

you have however,  provided enough information for me to assess yur educational level - High Skool
and the depth of yur learning disabilities - SEVERE

it would have been a pleasant surprise if BEEL had fashioned a thesis that could undergo analysis or be deconstructed
instead of name calling...

I suspect that in reality, BEEL completely lacks the ability to create such a thesis
due to his lack of education


"Everything is the war of Gog and Magog for Krimster."

if I'm wrong about Trump/Putin, what is the outcome?
vrs if I'm right about Trump/Putin, what is the outcome?
and in view of Trump's EXTENSIVE history with Putin, what's more likely to be true?

Elon Musk's "Grok AI", agrees with me, along with top level members of US National Security, now run by another Russian asset, Tulsi Gabbard**
that the probability Trump is a provable Russian asset is around 80% (is Elon's AI a loony tune librul, since it agrees with me)
and Trump has been a Russian asset for over 35 years when he returned from Moscow and immediately spent a large amount of money on anti-NATO adds

**http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/tulsi-gabbard-russian-connection-dni-trump-syria-b2692244.html

but ole BEEL, think's there's 0% probability, based on what he calls "logic", that Trump is a Russian asset
as I've explained, there is no "actual logic"
what there is - is belief derived from ignorance
like people who once thought the world was flat

rednecks all still think the world is flat as a pancake

yur lack of education, is why you joined the Trump cult, and why it appeals to you
cuz it was designed EXCLUSIVELY for 'the poorly educated' like you BEEL

you don't have to have the most intelligent voters
you just have to have the most voters
which a cynical a**hole like Trump knows, just like JD Vance said

in red states nothing brings in the votes like racism and homophobia
because that's what appeals to ignorant voters like BEEL and ML

now rednecks are in the "finding out" phase
even BEEL and ML are gonna "find out" this year
look at the hundreds of thousands of rednecks who are bein laid off by Elon who voted for Trump
the millions of rednecks who will lose medicaid this year who all voted for Trump
the redneck veterans who will have reduced VA medical care who voted for Trump
the Trump recession - oh sorry, Fox calls it The Biden Recession - caused by Elon and tarriffs

Mr. "I can solve the Ukraine war in one day"
with a "Minerals Deal" aka Paper Dome  - LMFAO becuz it's SOOOOO DAMNED STOOPID

if Europe hands over the $$$
Trump will be as relevant to the Peace Process as you are
and it means Zelensky beat Putin and Trump at chess, even though the odds were 100 to 1 against him winning
that's how incompetent Trump is
if Europe DOESN'T hand over the money SOON, then Europe failed, and not Zelensky

note: when I go to protests, I'm gonna print out a copy of Paper Dome
and wear it like a vest
cuz it'll totally protect me from the Texas National Guard bullets
right?
I mean, if it'll protect Ukraine from tanks and missiles, bullets ain't no big thing....
so I should be fine

PS
to me the issue in this thread isn't Trump Vrs Zelensky

it's why are MAGA voters, such as the ones who post here, so damned ignorant
what went so horribly wrong in American society to create this idiocracy

my bold prediction for America
There Will Be Blood

bye, bye Miss American Pie

PS
Trump and Elon's corruption in first 6 weeks

from US Senate
http://x.com/ChrisMurphyCT/status/1898062235634704636

Trump voters thought they were shrewd,
but they're all screwed
maybe they can go to Trump University
and try and turn their lives around