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jay that would be tantamount to declaring war openly on russia

the west as you know is too weak to make that decison at present without a major major russian aggression on a nato member imo

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No--it is not a declaration . It would keep the bad actors busy try to plug the holes in their dyke --  instead of the many wholes in western dykes they are attempting to create !
Putin and Russia WILL continue on their path -- unless an all out standing on his throat happens. As predicted some years ago --Putin & Russia were not just a Ukrainian problem.

The western leaders could stand and deny that they have any troops anywhere !!
Sure -- there are exercises going on  !! ;D

To make the point that Russia IS AT WAR.

Amongst the news today of the cyber attacks/interference of the US power stations ( including nuclear)   is that an attack( attempt to sabotage) has been made on Saudi  plants  -- why? Who benefits if Saudi oil production capacity falls.?
Throw  in the assistance by RUSSIA to give North Korea long distance capacity and create issues for the US --the attempted provocation in Syria etc and much more.

Time for the world to wake up.
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whilst we may wish for your stronger action

we both know that is not going to happen any time soon

western values .conscience ..call it what you will of the worlds leaders currently will wait until they have no other reasonable choice ,

we are not there yet imo ...not to say it wont come anytime in the future though

or if where lucky putin may die while we are waiting and a more moderate leader replace him

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Putin will die a lot sooner if he loses Crimea !!
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the west needs to wake up totally and deal with the problem of Putin & Russia.



People needed to deal with Hitler before things got out of hand. How did that work out?


Most people are like you Jay. They don't want war and certainly wouldn't start a smaller one in order to prevent a big one.. You only want it now because of your love for Ukraine. Russia and China are testing the West to see how we respond to their minor land and sea grabs. They doubt the West has the will to fight a two front war with the 2nd and 3rd strongest militarizes allied. I think some of those people running Russia and China don't want to be like everyone else which are nobodies. They want to get into the history books.


western values .conscience ..call it what you will of the worlds leaders currently will wait until they have no other reasonable choice ,



Western values. We're civilized, refined, courteous and afraid to confront bullies. We also want Russia's business and we hope Putin will behave. Putin knows being a tough guy, he'll advance his agenda. He will only back off if he confronts a tougher guy. Sanctions never work. Not on Iran, N Korea, Cuba or Russia.
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Once again, I do not approve of HOW Crimea was 'returned' to Russia, but short of physically removing Russian military from the peninsula, what do you propose...given the vast majority living there were happy to be Russian, again.

E.Ukraine is another matter... VVP loves the destabilising effect of frozen conflicts.

He is happy to see Turkey showing a middle digit to the USA over action against Kurds..

Syria is his weak spot.

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I think the investigation could prove fruitful

Personally I would like to see the UK assist with defeating the rebels in eastern Ukraine. Since the Russians are not supposed to be there anyway it would be something Russia would be unable to argue against but still take the hit. I think this is very doubtful to happen though at least as things stand.

They had an investigation about a Passenger plane shot down. How did
that turn out? Even if you proved that Russian did it (which is difficult)
They will just insist that they didn't do it.

The UK couldn't expel Russia from Eastern Ukraine even if they wanted
to. How would the UK even get their army there? Drive across Germany
and Poland? Would they agree to that? Or would they want to avoid
getting sucked into the conflict?

Let's say you got 100,000 members of the UK military into Kiev.
Russia could have 3 times that many massed in Belarus and another
3 times that massed to the East by the time you arrived in Kiev. It
could turn out to be a bit worrisome. 
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43433552

UK police have launched a murder investigation after the death of Russian businessman Nikolai Glushkov in south-west London.

Mr Glushkov was found dead at his home in the New Malden area of London on 13 March.

Police say Mr Glushkov, whose family has been informed, died from "compression to the neck".

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43433552



Police say Mr Glushkov, whose family has been informed, died from "compression to the neck".

Any rope burns or finger marks . . . or neck just did a self-compression ?
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Given that he was due in court Monday to give evidence -- we can only marvel at how much money Russia is intent on saving the west !!
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I think the danger comes in Russia swallowing up its break away republics over time. Without them they are not nearly as powerful as they were as the USSR. That is essentially the technique the Bolsheviks used to make the powerful USSR. Even still they are still the largest country on earth. I think that a further break up of Russia is key to putting to bed any dreams they have got of world domination again.
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Well, VVP has responded

He's expelled 23 UK Diplomats and closed the British Council  - reserving the right to take further action !


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Well, VVP has responded

He's expelled 23 UK Diplomats and closed the British Council  - reserving the right to take further action !


Is Putin's actions going to crush the UK economically and install fear in it's citizens? Probably not. Goes to show you how weak the UK's actions on Russia was. Me thinks the assassinations will continue. It may be a few years before Putin tries a number of assassinations in the UK again but it will happen again because it's important he lets Russians know they aren't getting away with betraying him and Russia.
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I think the danger comes in Russia swallowing up its break away republics over time. Without them they are not nearly as powerful as they were as the USSR.

These republics are not needed for power.
The republics are desired as a physical barrier to attack by land from the west.
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These republics are not needed for power.
The republics are desired as a physical barrier to attack by land from the west.

They are also nice for theft, pillage and plunder, which is
far easier to do if they are under your thumb and not a
member of NATO. 
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Well, VVP has responded

He's expelled 23 UK Diplomats and closed the British Council  -
reserving the right to take further action !

Everyone knew that was coming. If they wanted to send a real
message that would end it, they would have to send in somebody
to kill whoever is the UK's version of Edward Snowden.

During cold war one there was ALWAYS tit for tat. Now there
isn't and that's why it will happen again.

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The Policeman poisoned has been released from hospital


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43506232

"Det Sgt Bailey said that "normal life for me will probably never be the same" as he also thanked hospital staff."

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Evidence is pointing toward the poison having been delivered in some sticky stuff smeared on the door handle of his home.  A rather crude delivery that, if true, probably explains why he is still alive, how his daughter got rowed in and why traces of poison were spread around the town.

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Evidence is pointing toward the poison having been delivered in some sticky stuff smeared on the door handle of his home.  A rather crude delivery that, if true, probably explains why he is still alive, how his daughter got rowed in and why traces of poison were spread around the town.


Reckless way of delivering the chemical weapons. Any innocent person could've touched the door handle and of course, it got spread around town infecting others to some degree. I read the spy's niece said they have a 1% chance to live.
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Things don't look good for the guy - even if he lives his health appears seriously damaged - but the latest news is that the daughter is recovering.

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Ok..now we know the truth....

http://news.sky.com/story/russian-foreign-minister-sergey-lavrov-says-britain-could-have-poisoned-spy-11313772

''Britain did it to divert attention from the government's failure to deliver on 'brexit...'  ''



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Ok..now we know the truth....

http://news.sky.com/story/russian-foreign-minister-sergey-lavrov-says-britain-could-have-poisoned-spy-11313772

''Britain did it to divert attention from the government's failure to deliver on 'brexit...'  ''

Wait . . . don't take  the credit away from USA for the poisoning.
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Ah, yes are your poodle and we do as we are told...  case closed

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Is Putin's actions going to crush the UK economically and install fear in it's citizens? Probably not. Goes to show you how weak the UK's actions on Russia was. Me thinks the assassinations will continue. It may be a few years before Putin tries a number of assassinations in the UK again but it will happen again because it's important he lets Russians know they aren't getting away with betraying him and Russia.

that about sums sit up billy  ;)

the UK would have taken stock of the russian money involved and at this time with brexit happening it would be too risky to take any stronger action against vvp . other than public condemnation blah blah blah

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the UK would have taken stock of the russian money involved . . .

Sometimes I think people are a little confused about which party has upper hand regarding money, debt, assets, etc.

For instance, many say we must not anger China because they hold trillions of dollars of our debt and they own trillions in real estate in USA.

Ah well . . . it's the debt holder who has more to worry about, not the debt issuer.
We could simply default on Treasury bills China holds and attach their real estate holdings.
Sure I realize it would hurt our credit rating, but not as much hurt as China would incur losing trillions.

Likewise, how about UK simply nationalize the billions of housing owned by Russians?
So who has most at risk, UK or Russian citizens?
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