Why RW marry abroad?

[Christopher]

Andrwfn saind
in Russia today almost everyone who is arrested and who goes to court is found guilty. The situation is changing slowly. But most people accept and 'know' that if somebody is arrested then he must have done something wrong.

I wonder how much this has to do with having Putin as President.  I seems to us in the west that having a former KGB agent as president has seen the erosion of a lot of the freedoms that we thought we coming in.

Then you said,
One can look at it in another way, with a different analogy. Look at the hierarchy of needs. People will not, in general, be interested in philosophy or politics if they are hungry or cold. This is simple truth and fits the hierarchy of needs hypothesis. As Russians find life becoming easier and more pleasant they will be and are becoming more interested in things outside of the purely visceral. Of course there has always been the intelligentsia, that band of unhappy box touchers...

I think this is a naive view of people.  How do you explain jihadist?  Some are brainwashed into others freely choose this and come from what some would say are the dreggs of society.  Again as I have said they will have a revolution.  Of course revolutions will only occur if those in power are not overly strong like the Communist in China during Tiananmen.  Peru is an example where the people removed a corrupt government. 

And finally you said,
I was in Saint Petersburg attending lectures given by a political scientist of some repute. We were awaiting the results of the election in which Putin was expected to win his first presidential seat. Our lecturer talked of his relationship with Putin, his invitation to join with him as an advisor and the reason that he did not take the position. Putin had already made a policy choice to restrict media freedoms to some degree. He felt (I think rightly) that dissent would be a distraction from the business of growth and strengthening. He did not see that this situation should last indefinately, but until Russians were fed and housed in a manner appropriate to a strong and wealthy country.
Our guy felt this was wrong - perhaps influenced by the political talk show he hosted at the time and his knowledge of the implications for it. He did believe in Putin as a man and a candidate, it was clear the guy had tremendous respect for Putin.
He had refused to join with Putin because he believed that there should not be any form of restriction. A proud member of the intelligentsia.
Anyway, he lost his TV show shortly after the election.

I do not see how restricting medias freedom to criticize would be a good thing.  This would help prevent the attitude of everyone who goes to court is found guilty.  As long as there are checks and balances you lessen this sort of corruption.  Notice I do not think this wipes it out as you notice here in the US we have people being exonirated after spending 20 years in prison on death row.  Sometimes if it was not for the media coming to their defense the tructh would have never been discovered about their case.   

[Elen]

I wonder how much this has to do with having Putin as President.  I seems to us in the west that having a former KGB agent as president has seen the erosion of a lot of the freedoms that we thought we coming in.

It has nothing to do with former Putin's occupation And Andrew is wrong - FAR from all who was arrested goes to prison ( espesially if it's somebody with big money)  and it's pity.

BTW what exactly "freedoms" you are speaking about and "freedoms" for who?

I think this is a naive view of people.  How do you explain jihadist?  Some are brainwashed into others freely choose this and come from what some would say are the dreggs of society.  Again as I have said they will have a revolution.  Of course revolutions will only occur if those in power are not overly strong like the Communist in China during Tiananmen.  Peru is an example where the people removed a corrupt government. 

Read Lenin    He was a big specialist in revolutions and according to him  there should be also another 2 conditions for revolution would happen

I do not see how restricting medias freedom to criticize would be a good thing.  This would help prevent the attitude of everyone who goes to court is found guilty.  As long as there are checks and balances you lessen this sort of corruption.  Notice I do not think this wipes it out as you notice here in the US we have people being exonirated after spending 20 years in prison on death row.  Sometimes if it was not for the media coming to their defense the tructh would have never been discovered about their case.   

Wonder that you can't see that that "free" Russian mass media wich you are so worry about is paid with money of those who must belong to prison but stay above any law because of those money

[beattledog]

The Indian woman can be stunning.  In a few weeks, I  have been invited to attend an Indian wedding. I would marry this woman's sister because both of her looks and personality.  However, her dad will not allow her to marry outside the Indian culture.  It is such a shame.

Great beattledog

[Jet]

I do not see how restricting medias freedom to criticize would be a good thing.  This would help prevent the attitude of everyone who goes to court is found guilty.  As long as there are checks and balances you lessen this sort of corruption.  Notice I do not think this wipes it out as you notice here in the US we have people being exonirated after spending 20 years in prison on death row.  Sometimes if it was not for the media coming to their defense the tructh would have never been discovered about their case.

   
Wonder that you can't see that that "free" Russian mass media wich you are so worry about is paid with money of those who must belong to prison but stays above any law because of those money

We've talked about this before, and this is another example of someone (Christopher) disecting Russian problems according to US standards. Russia has more pressing items to attend to, before turning the keys to the media outlets over to the highest bidder. Until the state Duma can install an F.C.C. type oversight apperatus and fund it adequately enough so that it's employees won't turn a blind eye for a bottle of Russki Standard with a "Ben Franklin" tied around it's neck, the current policy is probably best IMHO...

[BC]

I often watch German state sponsored newscasts.  In fact I have grown to prefer them.  They pretty much stick to what comes off the 'wire'.. very little in the way of interpretation, opinion or slant.  That's the way news should be IMHO, not the sensationalism and political alignment we so often see today.

If one views the bond between citizen and country as a relationship, what is wrong with defending that relationship from outside influence?

I don't think politics or perceptions of freedom is in the mind of many ladies wishing to find a husband abroad.  May apply to some men seeking FSU women though..

[Christopher]

   
Wonder that you can't see that that "free" Russian mass media wich you are so worry about is paid with money of those who must belong to prison but stays above any law because of those money


We've talked about this before, and this is another example of someone (Christopher) disecting Russian problems according to US standards. Russia has more pressing items to attend to, before turning the keys to the media outlets over to the highest bidder. Until the state Duma can install an F.C.C. type oversight apperatus and fund it adequately enough so that it's employees won't turn a blind eye for a bottle of Russki Standard with a "Ben Franklin" tied around it's neck, the current policy is probably best IMHO...

This just not make any sense at all.  How can restricting free press be any better the as you say "it's blind eye for a bottle of Russki Standard with a "Ben Franklin" tied around it neck, the current policy is probably the best IMHO" .  Why the personal attack say I am using US standards instead of showing me some proof where this makes it better.  Notice how I you examples to prove my point where you use an appeal to emotion.  This is basic level technical writing.  Give me some concrete examples and I wil look at them otherwise do not waste my time.  The F.C.C. really does not regulate the news it is the courts that truly keep them honest.  A show that reports purposedly and erroniously(?) opens itself to a slander lawsuit.  That is one reason why news station says that defendent allegedly perpetrated a crime.  Even after they have begin convicted most news room will still say allegedly.  Also the F.C.C. does not regulate newspapers in any way shape or form and this again is a case where the courts are they to hopefull keep them honest.

[andrewfi]

Elen, you misread.

I wrote that almost all who are arrested and go to court are found guilty. A very different thing to just being arrested.

Arrest can mean many things. In the UK we have the 'helping police with their enquiries', amny people would, incorectly, say that this was being arrested. It isn't arrest may happen at the end of that process. In other countries, one is arrested for enquiries and then released.

Reference for data:
A person is considered innocent until proven guilty, but where jury trials do not occur, the accused generally are expected to prove their innocence rather than defend themselves against prosecutors' efforts to prove their guilt. In cases where a judge imposes sentence, the average rate of conviction is more than 99 percent, as opposed to an 84 percent conviction rate in jury trials. http://www.country-data.com/cgi-bin/query/r-11487.html

On related items: Approval ratings for dead Russian figures.
The Moscow News reports on a comparison of two surveys, conducted in 1990 and 2001 by the Russian Civil Service Academy Sociological Research Center. Of note is how Stalin has regained approval over the decade while Lenin has fallen.

1990 approval ratings for historical figures:
6% Joseph Stalin
74% Peter the Great
57 Vladimir Lenin
55% Georgy Zhukov

2001 approval ratings:
32.9% Joseph Stalin
90.2% Peter the Great
39.9% Vladimir Lenin
80.8% Georgy Zhukov


Christpher ~ Do not make the error of judging everything by your own standards. If you knew just a little more then you could not post as you do.

In the US, the governemnt is VERY powerful, well resourced and capable. It has the resources to control media without overt censorship and becasue the power blocs of your country are, by and large, aligned with the government there is relatively little threat to any government in power, or to the institution itself, from the media - print or otherwise.

In Russia this was not the case. It still is not.
In 1999 the government was weak, underresourced and in many areas not very capable. The power blocs within the country were better resourced and more capable than the institution of government. They owned the media outlets in the country and were most definately NOT aligned with the government.

Putin and others had realised that in order to be strong as a country government needed to be strenghened. Organised dissent by those oligarchs who were eyeing a takeover of the country could not be tolerated. To this end, it was important to 'rearrange' the media map. Looking at Russian media today, one would see a striking resemblance to that in the US. Media is not controlled by the Kremlin, but is run by those who have shared interests  -just as the US.
Media concentrates upon froth and personality, not substance and insightful discourse, just as in the US. Just as in the US, under the guise of 'responsibility', journalists may be held to account for the words of their sources and open to criminal prceedings for not revealing sources.

The media is free to do as it wants, just as long as it does not touch the side of the box - just as in the US.

Putin did not, at the time of his election, see this restriction of media as a permanent thing. He may have changed his mind. But only time will tell.

BTW, there are many kinds of freedom. Most would consider the freedom to have food and a warm home to be the overarching freedoms. It is really hard to agitate for certain intellectual freedoms, wished for by only a few, when there is no food in the belly. Putin realised this and wanted to ensure this overarching freedom. His model was the successful Chinese model. His career as KGB officer has probably strengthened his greatest asset - he is a patriot and civil servant in the truest sense of the words

[Doug S]

People,

Get off the politics and back to the topic. Russian women. Western husbands. Remember?

Sandro on topic. Very good points. I'm especially interested in your number 3.

I don't think anybody has thought of that one before. I've heard gripes from older single American women (my age) about the (younger) Russian competition. But, yes, not too many younger American women have figured out (or don't appreciate) the potential advantages of marrying an older man (if he's the RIGHT older man), and therefore, there is little or no competition for the younger Russian women in that sense. But in FSU there are tons of young Russian women competing for the local sugar daddies (who change mistresses like their counterparts in the West change golf balls). Again, good observation Sandro.

Particularly interesting for me because I actually had a young, beautiful American fiancee (14 years my junior) that I chose not to marry in favor of looking for a foreign bride. (I figured my foreign wife would be approximately the same age. I ended up with an even younger foreign wife, but not by design - that's just the way it turned out.) That American woman was beautiful, bright, and  a good financial choice. (Was a med student then intern during our engagement, now a doctor.)  A lot of guys would have given their right arm to marry her. (And some divorced doctor at the hospital did eventually, so the rumor goes. Now they are probably divorced and he's on this board thinking about getting a Russian bride :-)

She was one of the few young American women I dated who had actually thought out and decided that she wanted to marry an older man. Unsure about marrying her, I used to put up theoretical arguments about why we shouldn't. When I would bring up the age gap, she would say "Noooo! That's why you're perfect. Older is best. You will make the best husband and father for our children!" (She wanted three, one of the many things that scared me about her. With her a doctor, I would have ended up being a major "Mr. Mom." But that wasn't the only thing that bothered me about her. I had a whole list.)

Following up on Sandro's idea, she was one of the very few young Western women competing with the young Russian beauties, although she probably didn't know it.

In reverse of the topic, Andrew is right in that a lot of guys who want a foreign bride want a "white" foreign bride, hence FSU. Some guys have a hankering for Asian or Latin women and go straight to those countries. But, since the end of the Cold War made white, Russian brides readily available, I think a lot more Western guys would rather try for one of those first. And it's not uncommon to see guys who repeatedly strike out with the "white Russians" finally throw in the towel and then go to the Philippines or Colombia as a second or third choice.

Something else that's very interesting along these lines, and that I have been taking notes on for several years now, is the large but un-represented (on these Internet discussion groups) number of "non-white" (ethnic minority) Westerners - mainly Americans - who go to FSU because they want a "white" wife. It's a whole sub-culture that is bigger than you might imagine. Big problem here is that their chances of actually finding a Russian women who is genuinely interested in them as a spouse rather than as a wallet or mule is often much less than the white guys. Don't want to start a riot, but everybody knows that Russians have not had as much exposure to "ethnic diversity" and interracial marriage as Westerners have, and therefore are still "developing" their views on the subject. Others may make stronger statements, but I don't want to start a riot or offend anybody. I'm just trying to make an amateur sociological observation about the Russian "MOB" arena.

A case in point is the notorious Chinese-American guy who recently threw a lot of time and money at FSU, galavanting around and doing his very best to act like a typical American "white man" (even claimed he was an Asian trapped inside a white man's skin), trying to get a young Russian hottie to marry him. The Russian hotties shamelessly fleeced the hell out of him. Repeatedly. Not one of the Russian women he wanted to marry wanted to marry him. They just wanted his money. (Of which he actually had very little, which made his escapades all that more hilarious or horrifying, depending on what mood you were in.)

Early in his quest, said Chinese-American guy asked Olga and I for advice. Although he was Chinese-American, his genetics were 100% Chinese. You could only tell he was American when he talked. We took one look at him and said "you should probably lower your expectations in terms of what kind of a sincere, potential Russian wife you can realistically attract." He got angry and said "I want a Russian wife just like yours - like Olga!" As diplomatically as I could, I reiterated that based on my experience and knowledge of Russian women and Russian culture, that might not be attainable. The rest is history. I think he's finally given up and now condemning Russia as being a terrible, unethical and racist society.

And that is not to say he couldn't have found a nice Russian wife had he been willing to view his situation realistically

There is a couple in L.A. who are good friends of ours. The husband is Japanese-American and his wife is Russian. Although Japanese American, the husband's genetics are 100% Japanese, so again, he appears to be Japanese until he talks (or chows down at McDonald's). He has no qualms whatsoever about admitting that he went to Russia because he wanted a Caucasian wife.

He's a decent-looking guy. In good physical condition. And he was only in his early thirties when he decided to go to Russia in search of a bride (young, as far as prospective American bachelors in Russia go).
 
And again, he has no qualms talking about how, in  cosmopolitan, mixed-race Los Angeles, his Asian-ness made it practically impossible for him to get into a relationship aimed toward marriage with a Caucasian woman. In his own words he “was getting nowhere with the local white women.”

So he went to Russia.

And he's got a very nice, Caucasian, Russian wife. Although I will tell you she is not a beauty queen by the standards set on this group and by the Russian MOB industry as a whole. She's pretty, but a lot heavier than most of us would aspire for. I suspect this is because that even in Russia, as a very Asian-looking prospective American bachelor, he ran into limitations as to how many Caucasian women were actually willing to marry him. He probably found that he still had a lot more possibilities "over there" than he did "over here." And in the end, he achieved a kind of equality or balance in terms of his own racial-physical match. 

These two people are a great American-Russian couple who love each other and have a lot in common. One of the few American-Russian couples Olga and I really enjoy socializing with. They've been married for six years now. No kids yet, but I think they are planning along those lines.

Doug   


 

[Elen]

Now it would also be interesting to conjecture why many normal FSUW (i.e. scammers excluded) decide to seek decidedly older Western men :
1. Disappointment with their home experiences in same age bracket ?
2. Difficulty in handling foreign bureaucracies (visas, permits, etc.) ?  ???
3. Little or no competition from Western women in their same age bracket  ? 
4. Expectations of earlier turnover ?  :angel:

But maybe this deserves another thread. 

It's manly about lack of males who would be only "slightly" older than women at this dating scene

Ps I hope you don't have double standarts and don't see a wish of Russian women to marry to "whites" like a rasist thing while you yourself go here for the same "white" wives , do you? 

[groovlstk]

Something else that's very interesting along these lines, and that I have been taking notes on for several years now, is the large but un-represented (on these Internet discussion groups) number of "non-white" (ethnic minority) Westerners - mainly Americans - who go to FSU because they want a "white" wife. It's a whole sub-culture that is bigger than you might imagine. Big problem here is that their chances of actually finding a Russian women who is genuinely interested in them as a spouse rather than as a wallet or mule is often much less than the white guys. Don't want to start a riot, but everybody knows that Russians have not had as much exposure to "ethnic diversity" and interracial marriage as Westerners have, and therefore are still "developing" their views on the subject. Others may make stronger statements, but I don't want to start a riot or offend anybody. I'm just trying to make an amateur sociological observation about the Russian "MOB" arena.

Unfortunately I think Doug is spot-on, here. I dated a Russian women here in the US last Winter before I met my fiancee, and she came from SPB on a K1 four years ago. When I asked her why her relationship didn't work out, she replied, "he's Filipino." As if that explained everything. I was a bit shocked that she'd brazenly confessed to using the poor guy as a mule, and the implication was that it wasn't so bad because he wasn't white.

I'd also guess that Indian men don't fare so well in Russia. While in SPB last February, I met a perverted Indian guy who was sitting next to me in the i-net cafe one night. He was surfing porn sites in full view of all the other patrons, and when he discovered I was American he wouldn't leave me alone. He was a doctor working on his internship at a hospital there, and I could sense the frustration and bitterness in his voice as he complained to me that the only women who would talk to him were prostitutes. He was begging me to accompany him to a nightclub, probably hoping that I'd increase his chances of hooking up, but he creeped me out.

[SANDRO43]

It's manly about lack of males who would be only "slightly" older than women at this dating scene

Elen, am I right in interpreting your answer as meaning, in other words : "The men who offer themselves at dating sites are older, so since this is what the girls can only get as possible candidates, this is what they take."
If so, there must be some other, more basic reason for them to "make do" with the material available, in my opinion.

Ps I hope you don't have double standarts and don't see a wish of Russian women to marry to "whites" like a rasist thing while you yourself go here for the same "white" wives , do you? 

Elen, I made no mention of skin colour in my post, either directly or indirectly. So, please, do not suspect what is not there. As you can see from the flag over my avatar, I am from a country which has been a melting pot of races for some 3,000 years and racism (nowadays directed at the increasing number of immigrating Arabs, mostly from North Africa) is practised by a negligible local minority ranting nutty ideas like "our Celtic inheritance", which does not include me. Marrying among likes has always been a natural tendency. In Italian we have an old proverb "Moglie e buoi dei paesi tuoi" (Wife and cattle from your own area only). No offense for women for the cattle parallel, it far predates Women's Lib .

[Elen]

Elen, am I right in interpreting your answer as meaning, in other words : "The men who offer themselves at dating sites are older, so since this is what the girls can only get as possible candidates, this is what they take."
If so, there must be some other, more basic reason for them to "make do" with the material available, in my opinion.

Yes bigger ( than average in Russia) age difference with foreigner husbands in many( too many) cases is nothing more than a sad reality when girls just take what they are able to take because there are no others at this scene.
 I didn't get your point about "more basic reason"

Elen, I made no mention of skin colour in my post, either directly or indirectly. So, please, do not suspect what is not there.

Actually I refereed to issue raised in previous to my  Doug S 's post but not to you personally ( just was lazy to quot him too Pardone )   And under YOU in 99% ( and it was the samr that time too) I mean all of you. May I use Russian word "вы" because I'm tired to explain what YOU I mean each time 

[SANDRO43]

Yes bigger (than average in Russia) age difference with foreigner husbands in many( too many) cases is nothing more than a sad reality when girls just take what they are able to take because there are no others at this scene.
 I didn't get your point about "more basic reason"

Elen, my point is this. If a FSUW's reasoning sequence is :
1. I want to marry a foreigner
2. Available foreigners are much older than I am
3. OK, I shall settle for a much older man
Then no.1 above must be rather compelling, and here "more basic reasons" come into play (the lure of the West ? security ? opportunities ? etc.)

[Elen]

well point number 1 I want to marry to foreigner has million variants  ( from just I want to marry up to I want to marry to Green card)  while 2 and 3 more or less hav a single meaning

[Gator]

Elen, there are many young foreign men writing to Russian women. 

My great friend, 30-yo, has corresponded in the past year with a 100 men under 38.  Most do not want a RW with children (just like the Russian men).  Of the several who continued to write, a few actually came to meet her.  Of those, most were not serious.   And the very few sincere men bored her to tears.  She is an intelligent, beautiful and honest woman with a sense of humor.   She rather be alone than live with a dullard, even if he is young and better looking than a monkey.

here is a handsome, tall, young (37), lawyer.  Prince of your dreams?  Read his profile and he seems more like the Prince of Darkness.  She says such men are not rare.

http://freepersonals.ru/view_anket.php?id=194567&photo=1



Finding your prince is a compromise.  No man is perfect.  Some men are intelligent and sophisticated, some are handsome and charming, some are great in bed, some have money, some are cheerful and humorous, etc.  But to find it all in one package is very difficult.   So maybe an older man gives a woman the most of what will make her happy.  And another woman would not consider an older man regardless of his other qualities.  It is their individual decision.  The smart women subscribe to the country song, “Its Not Getting What You Want, But Wanting What You Got.”

I do know from reading the Russian dating sites (RW seeking RM), the RW specify an age limit that rarely exceeds their own by 10 years, and typically the limit is 5 years.   Of course, the older RM with money are not looking at dating sites and instead choose from many, many 20-somethings looking for a sponsor.  For those 20-somethings, it is "all about the money", and in Russia's dynamic economy they can get it without leaving home.

[coco]

Obedient?! Our hombre is a bit in the kinky business

Anyway welcome back Bucky

[BradSTL]

And my favorite -  31, has seen firsthand the freedoms and opportunities in Europe and America for women her age.   She is smart and wants to do something with her life.   Russian society constrains her, so she seeks a man who will take her to those opportunities.  He does not have to be rich, but willing to help her get started (or at least not get in her way).  She does not want his money – she is driven to make her own money.  God protect him if he tries to make her stay at home and have children.  Love is not high on her list (someday maybe, but not now).

How, in God's name, has she seen *firsthand* all of these wonderful opportunities?   How did she get a visa to enter America?

This is nothing more than a "streets of gold" post.  Gator--- accept this reality check:  For every example you cite as a success in America, you can find another where someone has worked very hard, and failed to achieve such lofty economic heights.

Consider... for every MBA (Masters of Business Administration degree-holder) making a 6-figure income, I know of at least 1 other (in each case) who earns more modest money and semi-frequently worries about paying off the loans to fund the MBA.  (Loans that can reach $50.000)

This is the nature of the free market... so your "favorite" needs to calculate a little more carefully.  With regard to your snide remark that her new husband needs 'to stay out of her way', she might need to reign in her confidence.  She is entering a job market and employment environment she knows very little about, no different than if I tried to strike out to earn a fortune in Russia.  It takes a little more than a brash attitude and confidence to make it big in America.

[Gator]

This is getting personal, but perhaps helpful to newbies. 

For every example you cite as a success in America, you can find another where someone has worked very hard, and failed to achieve such lofty economic heights.

So!   There is no guarantee in business, nor is there is a guarantee when marrying a RW.  Is that stopping you from romancing RW?  In business, there is always a risk with a reward.  For example, the business failure rate of restaurants is over 90%, yet it does not stop new entries, and some of those will succeed.

for every MBA making a 6-figure income, I know of at least 1 other who earns more modest money

An MBA entitles someone to nothing more than an interview. After that the degree comes second to so many other factors.  It may grease a few skids, but the person’s qualities are paramount.

It takes a little more than a brash attitude and confidence to make it big in America.

Yes, but it certainly helps.  This RW has phenomenal intellectual curiosity, drive and energy (plus a business management degree).  I personally have experienced the joy of success and I will never discourage someone from seeking the same.  And some driven people, like this particularly beautiful and intelligent RW, are not easily discouraged.

My point is that there are some RW not interested in the man’s money.  They just want more freedom and opportunity to try to achieve their own success.  Such a woman would be good for a young man also starting his career.  She is not good for someone seeking a stay-at-home wife.  Personally, I felt I would be in her way.

[PeeWee]

Andrwfn saind
in Russia today almost everyone who is arrested and who goes to court is found guilty. The situation is changing slowly. But most people accept and 'know' that if somebody is arrested then he must have done something wrong.

I wonder how much this has to do with having Putin as President.  I seems to us in the west that having a former KGB agent as president has seen the erosion of a lot of the freedoms that we thought we coming in.

  

Kind of like having an former CIA director serve as a president? Now his son comes with the same agenda?

Peewee

[PeeWee]

"It takes a little more than a brash attitude and confidence to make it big in America."

What little more? A brash attitute and confidence sounds to me like Donald Trump and a thousand others like him.

Peewee

[Turboguy]

I agree PeeWee,  a brash attitude and over confidence is usually a prelude to bankruptcy or business failure.   The willingness to work hard along with come creativity and being level headed will get people much further.

[Oiler]

Kind of like having an former CIA director serve as a president? Now his son comes with the same agenda?

Peewee

Here, here, that was a great reply!!

[supranatural]

People,


A case in point is the notorious Chinese-American guy who recently threw a lot of time and money at FSU, galavanting around and doing his very best to act like a typical American "white man" (even claimed he was an Asian trapped inside a white man's skin), trying to get a young Russian hottie to marry him. The Russian hotties shamelessly fleeced the hell out of him. Repeatedly. Not one of the Russian women he wanted to marry wanted to marry him. They just wanted his money. (Of which he actually had very little, which made his escapades all that more hilarious or horrifying, depending on what mood you were in.)

Early in his quest, said Chinese-American guy asked Olga and I for advice. Although he was Chinese-American, his genetics were 100% Chinese. You could only tell he was American when he talked. We took one look at him and said "you should probably lower your expectations in terms of what kind of a sincere, potential Russian wife you can realistically attract." He got angry and said "I want a Russian wife just like yours - like Olga!" As diplomatically as I could, I reiterated that based on my experience and knowledge of Russian women and Russian culture, that might not be attainable. The rest is history. I think he's finally given up and now condemning Russia as being a terrible, unethical and racist society.

And that is not to say he couldn't have found a nice Russian wife had he been willing to view his situation realistically

There is a couple in L.A. who are good friends of ours. The husband is Japanese-American and his wife is Russian. Although Japanese American, the husband's genetics are 100% Japanese, so again, he appears to be Japanese until he talks (or chows down at McDonald's). He has no qualms whatsoever about admitting that he went to Russia because he wanted a Caucasian wife.

He's a decent-looking guy. In good physical condition. And he was only in his early thirties when he decided to go to Russia in search of a bride (young, as far as prospective American bachelors in Russia go).
 
And again, he has no qualms talking about how, in  cosmopolitan, mixed-race Los Angeles, his Asian-ness made it practically impossible for him to get into a relationship aimed toward marriage with a Caucasian woman. In his own words he “was getting nowhere with the local white women.”

So he went to Russia.

And he's got a very nice, Caucasian, Russian wife. Although I will tell you she is not a beauty queen by the standards set on this group and by the Russian MOB industry as a whole. She's pretty, but a lot heavier than most of us would aspire for. I suspect this is because that even in Russia, as a very Asian-looking prospective American bachelor, he ran into limitations as to how many Caucasian women were actually willing to marry him. He probably found that he still had a lot more possibilities "over there" than he did "over here." And in the end, he achieved a kind of equality or balance in terms of his own racial-physical match. 

These two people are a great American-Russian couple who love each other and have a lot in common. One of the few American-Russian couples Olga and I really enjoy socializing with. They've been married for six years now. No kids yet, but I think they are planning along those lines.

Doug   


 

Hey Doug I "dug" up this post by accident.  I certainly respect your opinion but I disagree that it's impossible or near impossible for an Asain man to find a good looking wife in the FSU.  Although I am currently in the middle of a divorce with my RW wife (and it's not because I was Asian), she is as good looking as most of them get - thin, blonde, green eyes, etc. and were together for more than 2 years after her removal of conditions.   I also know of other Asian men who have gone over there and had little problems finding good looking women to date.  The Chinese fellow you allude to is an aberration - fat, unattractive, and horrible manners.  He was a disgrace to his race - the human race that is.

Just my .02.

[jb]

My wife and I met supranatural and his soon to be ex-wife in Moscow 5+ years ago, you can trust me, she is an extremely pretty woman.  Any man here would do a double take if she walked by.