Elen, RWDMA, BC, and RW's Attitudes

[Elen]

Look your varity of food your russian friends were surprised with has nothting to with STARVATION you imagine in Russia ( there are enough things between these two conceptions)  If ANY girl started to tell you such sobby stories like she is STARVING here - my friendly advice - run Forest , run

And yes like I said you "food independence" of the coutry was lost thank to demovratic reforms Now for to prevent that starvation you are speaking about we have to buy food abroad and if the West decided to organize some economic blocade we would face that starvation But just now there are enough oil and gaz to buy your chiken legs with steroids ( we call here them Bush's legs in a name of older Bush)  and your soya

[Maxx2]

Durk, I am not upset in the least with the flow of this thread I just hope Doug S. comes back and JB and him can get at it. Other than this one instance I am in lock step with Momma D. 

BTW my Russian ex-wife is from Saratov (Capatob) via a Minneapolis mule (me) but she claims Chicago as that city has more class to her.

Maxx 

[Maxx2]

For Elen

Please watch this clip



to get a better understanding of the difference between a typical FSU male suitor and American women. The openness of your women like this FSU man is one of the main reasons us men (I'm actually on hold for the time being) Go-East (plug for Doug S) for wives.

Maxx

[Elen]

For Elen

Please watch this clip



to get a better understanding of the difference between a typical FSU male suitor and American women. The openness of your women like this FSU man is one of the main reasons us men (I'm actually on hold for the time being) Go-East (plug for Doug S) for wives.

Maxx

Exuse me Maxx may be I'm dull today but I didn't get your idea
 I see NO typical FSU male there . There was typical ( well in some degree of course ) south ( or midle East) male with muslims roots and nothing more But answers and reactions of American women were what I could name like typical RW's ones . And such openness and naivity in requests is typical for those who try to find a parner through dating agencies  - not Russian "hobby" at all

 PS BTW  What's "plough experience"?


Editted Guy is from Romania for sure ( if judge by background of his so called "home") So what was a purpose to say he was from Kaxahstan ? 
 So I don't get what I was supposed to understand - it's typical styob  ( I presume this word has the same meaning like it has here) and nothing more

[Bruno]

Please watch this clip

Great link Maxx... i have watch all the clip from Borat... i have never laugh so much in my life 

[Elen]

Culture ( or gender) difference I suppose  as it dose not look for me like a funny - but only like "might be funny"

[andrewfi]

The guy is British (English).

One of his characters is caled Borat, a tv reporter from Kazakhstan. Other than his US shows I would seriously doubt that any of his sketches were filmed more than 50 miles from Borehamwood in Essex, England.

[Maxx2]

Wow! Elena you are sharp. I didn't know you were such a architectal expert on such homes and villages! Yes they filmed his home scenes in Romania.

"Plow experience" is having experience using a plow pulled by a horse, mule or oxen to plow a field. 

Maxx

[Elen]

Wow! Elena you are sharp. I didn't know you were such a architectal expert on such homes and villages! Yes they filmed his home scenes in Romania.

"Plow experience" is having experience using a plow pulled by a horse, mule or oxen to plow a field. 

Maxx

Pssss Anybody from FSU could say you a difference between Kazahstan -Russia and Romania
I still didn't get why guy asked about plow ?  Was it joke yeah? I really feel myself like a dull as I can't get a humor    - That's one more thing which scares me in "imigration" - can't get jokes 

[groovlstk]

Pssss Anybody from FSU could say you a difference between Kazahstan -Russia and Romania
I still didn't get why guy asked about plow ?  Was it joke yeah? I really feel myself like a dull as I can't get a humor    - That's one more thing which scares me in "imigration" - can't get jokes 

Elen, the joke is that he is a provincial, simple man. He thinks he can find a woman in USA who has experience operating a plough, since in his "home country" it's a useful skill for a wife to have (as opposed to skill in management, computers, or even something so old fashioned as homemaking). He's trying to get a surprised reaction from the woman who is interviewing him, since it's also slightly insulting to a professional American woman.

[Maxx2]

I still didn't get why guy asked about plow ?  Was it joke yeah? I really feel myself like a dull as I can't get a humor    - That's one more thing which scares me in "imigration" - can't get jokes 

Yes it is humor. It is similar to the joke:

Wanted...a good women, must be able to cook, clean, do laundry, enjoy sex, love football and must have boat , please send picture of boat...

Maxx

[Durk]

     Elen, first I did not mean to upset you. We have experience in the
 farming issues and are concerned about our Russian friends! You see some
 of us americans DO REALLY CARE! SORRY ???
      Max somehow I do not think "Plowing Experience" had anything to do
 with fieldwork!
       It sure did not in our neighborhood.    
      Max that clip was TDF!! Great Expectations yet. They were here in PGH.
   The agency is now under a new name! 

[wiz]

The guy is British (English).

One of his characters is caled Borat, a tv reporter from Kazakhstan. Other than his US shows I would seriously doubt that any of his sketches were filmed more than 50 miles from Borehamwood in Essex, England.

That is correct.......he is Ali G, a well known British comedian.

[Elen]

     Elen, first I did not mean to upset you. We have experience in the
 farming issues and are concerned about our Russian friends! You see some
 of us americans DO REALLY CARE! SORRY ???
   

Don't worry You didn't "upset" me too much I alredy used that you foreigners  ( and especially Americans ) show your honest consern about our well being in ways that are very close to humiliation  I mean it very ofter looks like  - Ah!  your poor things! how are you surviving there , wait a minute we are coming to rescuse you

And the most awful thing that you REALLY can't get what you are doing whith your questions and worrings

[groovlstk]

Don't worry You didn't "upset" me too much I alredy used that you foreigners  ( and especially Americans ) show your honest consern about our well being in ways that are very close to humiliation  I mean it very ofter looks like  - Ah!  your poor things! how are you surviving there , wait a minute we are coming to rescuse you

And the most awful thing that you REALLY can't get what you are doing whith your questions and worrings

This is vintage Elen, and anyone who doesn't see the value of her posting here is living in a fantasy world. I certainly don't agree with all of her opinions, but this is spot on. I see parallels in the MOB industry where American men think of themselves as saviors of some poor Russian waifs-in-distress, and then act betrayed when she arrives in the US and realizes she is no longer required to lick his boots.

If you want to learn about Russia, ignore what you see in USA Today or on CNN and subscribe to Johnson's Russia List.

[PeeWee]

beattledog,

I'm not so sure you will find that 50's-60's American June Clever type of woman in the FSU either. I'm not so certain she exists anywhere in the world today.  However, you will find no woman in the whole world more head strong than a ethnic Russian, if you marry one and turn your back on her for 2 minutes when you turn around she will be trying on your trousers.  These are not meek and mild Barbie dolls.

Be very careful of what you wish for, you might get it.

Well said.

Peewee

[PeeWee]

and unfortunately the highest infant and child mortality rates.. heard something like one every three seconds..

Mix the greatest pleasures in life which are free and an environment where birth control does not exist..

About 5 months ago I attended a seminar directed toward indoor air quality. The woman that was conducting the seminar claimed that the US has the highest instance of crib death in the world. There are a lot of reasons for it but it all seems to point to indoor air quality, or IAQ. I do a fair amount of consulting with clients with regard to IAQ and was mildly shocked by her statement.

Peevee

[Turboguy]

That was a nice job of answering jb's comments Olga.  I have to agree with you that some women are quite mature at 19 and others have the maturity of a child at 40.  Actually men are worse than women sometimes.  I have seen men much older than 40 have the maturity of a child.  

You seem like a very focused woman who knows what she wants and has a good head on her shoulders.  

As many times as I have heard jb say that the real successes are those with a few years of marriage under their belt I am not sure why he thinks he should pick and chose who his words of wisdom apply to.  I think Doug is a lucky man and you are a very good woman.   I think you have both found happiness and I think you both deserve it.

jb can be a great source of good advice sometimes and every once in a while he goes off and spews some venom for whatever reason.  He can be one of the best assets of RWD most of the time.   You did a great job of making his comments seem petty.  jb has some fine moments.  That post was not one of them.   I will be looking forward to hearing more from you on RWD.

[PeeWee]

jb,

I take a big insult on what you have said about me. And I could not believe it until I saw it for myself. You are lucky Doug decided not to answer this rudeness. But I will. There are so many wrong things that you wrote I will go one by one.

Maybe the 21-year old women you know are children. But I was not at 21. And most 21-year old RW are not. I was done goofing around and knew knew what I wanted from my life when I was 19. And what is your exact experience with 21-year old RW to talk like such an expert, please? If Doug talks about young RW he talks from experience. Which "expert" would you listen to?

You said Doug did not know what I would grow up like, but you forgot that I already was grown up. Grown up and waiting. Doug worked harder at getting to know me and helping me to know all about him than all 2000 Western guys who wrote to me combined, plus all Russian guys I had dated in past. He had all the best idea of what I would be like after one year, two years, five years, ten years and probably a whole life. I never saw a man be so sure of what he was looking for in a wife (russian or Western). And this is what attracted me to him the most. He was the only one to look beyond my physical appearance, to see that we wanted the same things.

I had to look up your word "shrew," and I will not say much to you about this except it continues on your insults in no surprise and a good statment of your character. The on-line encyclopedia, "Wickpedia" does not say a shrew has necessarily to be female in gender, and that they have the smallest you-know-what of any vertebrae.

I also had to get a definition for your word "shaping." In FSU it means aerobics class. Yes Doug, is very energetic and hard for me to keep up with, but I guess this is not what you meant. I see you think he somehow pushes me to be a girl that is easy to live with or just what he likes or something like that. No man pushes me his way. No person pushes me their way. Maybe some other RW's terrible behavior has got you to believe that RW have to be pushy and rude or or submissive and dumb. Black or white. That no RW can be gentle and strong at the same time. But that is not true. It shows that you do not know much about RW.

Doug helped me very much through a difficult adaption to a new country. He showed me all that is here and let me choose what I want to do. What I want to be. How I want to live. Then he supported me to get my dreams. This is what every Western husband should do for a RW, because they need the extra help. This is what partners do for each other in marriage. If this is what you call "shaping," then you should try some shaping yourself. It the RW who does not need or want her Western husband's help, and the husband who does not do it that you should be criticize, not me for letting Doug Help me, or Doug for doing it.

Finally you seem to think that I do not classify as a woman because of my young age. I think I may be more of woman than you are to recognize. I am 28 years old and am married to the man who is my child's father. I have been married to that same man for seven years now. And we will raise that child together until she is grown. That is more than I can say for some Russain women you tried to compare me to, who fail their life because they did not think it out, and run to take their child to be raised in another country by another man. If you can not see what most of their motivation is for coming, then you fool yourself. We are all women, but some smarter than others and age has not much to do with that.

You make insult of my father and my husband at once. Doug is holding his temper, but since you think you know about my father, I invite you to say your insults to him. He is here in the U.S. now and would be happy to give you some education about man, woman, daughter, wife, son, marriage and how a real man should act and say. I will be happy to interpret. What makes you think you know anything about my marriage, if I am equal partner or not? If I was not happy I would not stay. You must know the Russian saying that actions speak more than words.

The last word you used to insult that I did not know was "dodder". But I think that you showed me what it means without realizing you have done so.


Olga

Olga, I recall reading about you and Doug some 5 years ago when I first began this quest of mine, is 5 years correct? I do know that Doug has been passionate about his business and he seems, at times, to wear his heart on his sleeve, as they say. Many of your advices via your forum have been helpful to me. I do know that you both work very hard to bridge the cultural gap that exsists between Eastern women and Western men.

I tend to think that jb is judgemental at times and his tendency to wrongly assume does ruffle ones feathers. Correct me if I am wrong but is my opinion that FSU youngsters seem to mature, mentaly, faster than Western children do? A 20 year old RW may find her mature equal in a Western 25 year old woman? If my assessment fair?

Peevee

[Elen]

I,m glad for you Olga that you found your happinest with such man like Doug
 Now teach him please to respect a choice of other people because I for example  am tired already about his posts which are far from polite correct and his stinky jokes which are too close to what is called in your American paradise like harassment I think there are others who have similar "claims" to your husband So don't be surprised that time from time you would have to pop at some board to defence your private life after your darling posted something about other people's choices



PS Russian 20 years old girls are still girls like your western girls especially if they are students  They are busy with their study, they hang in a company of boys of the same ages, they fall in love , drop boys or get broken hearts themselves - that's what youth for. And only some of them who decided to skip such years which never will be in their life again marry to some guy  ( and there is NO guarantee that those "matured" in 20 ages girls would not come to conclusion in their 30s that they did miss something  - A result of such discovery could be unpredictable)

[jb]

OlgaS,

Ya oughta read what your husband wrote before you begin to cast stones.  It was some of the most offensive, egotistical, self-aggrandizing crap Ive ever read, and now you want to join in,,, go right ahead.  However you should know I've now placed you on "ignore" right along with your obnoxious husband.

Knock yourself out.

[Turboguy]

I went looking for whatever it is you are talking about jb and could not find anything even remotely sounding like what you are saying.  I can not disagree with some comments of others that Doug uses an awful lot of words to say what he wants.  Perhaps since he makes his living writng he gets paid by the word.

To me everyone has a right to express their ideas and opinions.  I will go as far as saying that whatever it was that Doug was trying to say in his long post might have been clearer if he used fewer words.  You were not mentioned at all.  He didn't say anything that I have not heard before.  He not only didn't attack you he didn't even mention you.  I am sort of at a loss to understand why you felt it necessary to attack him and his wife.

[jb]

T/G,

*sigh*  Page 3 contains a 2,000+ word diatribe which insults just about everybody who is either married to a Russian, or ever thought about marriage to a Russian.  The man is really full of himself.

[PeeWee]

I,m glad for you Olga that you found your happinest with such man like Doug
 Now teach him please to respect a choice of other people because I for example  am tired already about his posts which are far from polite correct and his stinky jokes which are too close to what is called in your American paradise like harassment I think there are others who have similar "claims" to your husband So don't be surprised that time from time you would have to pop at some board to defence your private life after you darling post something about other people's choices



PS Russian 20 years old girls are still girls like your western girls especially if they are students  They are busy with their study, they hang in a company of boys of the same ages, they fall in love , drop boys or get broken hearts themselves - that's what youth for. And only some of them who decided to skip such years which never will be in their life again marry to some guy  ( and there is NO guarantee that those "matured" in 20 ages girls would not come to conclusion in their 30s that they did miss something  - A result of such discovery could be unpredictable)

True that those women who marry too young later wonder what it was that they may have missed. I have a friend, Cuban/Mexican lady, who married at 18 years of age. When she turned 30 and with a husband and two children to her credit she left them because she felt that she had missed a lot by marrying too  young. That was her and she is not everyone, yet she is an example of what can be.

Peevee

[PeeWee]

T/G,

*sigh*  Page 3 contains a 2,000+ word diatribe which insults just about everybody who is either married to a Russian, or ever thought about marriage to a Russian.  The man is really full of himself.

Geez. I guess I missed that while I was basking in the shade of the pyramids. What I am now wondering is when that gal kicked that guy in the nads if she were perhaps wearing those pointy shoes that are now popular with those FSU ladies.

Peevee