Christian Orthodox Family

[Trenchcoat]

I'm not religious at all but I always thought that having a Religion could potentially make dating easier especially since OP here is Orthodox Christian and most of the FSU is also then that should in theory be a big bonus. Kind of like having your own dating network already set up, each Orthodox church in the FSU a potential breeding ground of hot FSW to date.

OP if you are still knocking around and haven't got this sorted yet in your position I would forget about online dating sites and fly straight to Ukraine say and visit Orthodox Churches there one after another. Surely a way better idea than clicking buttons your mouse at home. You'll get it done a lot quicker and better that way I wager.

It's always has intrigued me how religion could be used in dating in the FSU. Most in the West I get the impression aren't Orthodox Christians, that's pretty unusual I would guess. Most I would guess are Protestants, Catholics, Methodists, Baptists, etc. I'm no expert on Religion being not into it myself but that is the impression I get.

So the big question, would it be worth considering changing Religion if finding no luck in your current Religion in your country?

After all is there really such a difference between Protestant, Catholic or Orthodox Christian religions. Yes there will be differences in them of course but they are all part of the same Christian Religion. All it takes is realising and deciding that yes you could worship your Religion in a different way. And by doing so you could reap better dating rewards in the FSU.

Myself I am not religious and I would likely get irritated sitting through all the blah, blah, blah of the preaching even if there was easy dating at hand (not needed for me at present). I would also feel pretty fake and phoney and I don't like that. Even still it would intrigue me to see how if a non religious person or person willing to change their religion to the Orthodox Religion how they would get on in the FSU by visiting Orthodox Churches.

[2tallbill]

Even still it would intrigue me to see how if a non religious person or person willing to change their religion to the Orthodox Religion how they would get on in the FSU by visiting Orthodox Churches.

Marriage is a long term thing, faking a religion is a pretty dumb idea to get a girl especially an FSUW, which
most aren't super religious. Running around to different Orthodox churches to hit on girls as a non religious
man is like going to a hundred gay bars to hit on men when you aren't gay. What happens when you catch
one?

Be who you are and what you are. Being a big lying phony is not going to work long term. Spending 3 hours
in church every Sunday in a language you don't understand plus fasting well over 100 days per year will get
tiresome for someone who is faking it. If you lived during the Spanish Inquisition, I would say fake until you
make it, but the majority of FSUW do not fast, although some do during Velikiy Post (Easter lent fast).

Adopt one of Krim's ideas, join a volunteer group to help out old babushka's in Ukraine. That should work
during the short term.

Never try to fake or lie in any situation if you want a long term relationship.   

Udachi!

Bill

[Trenchcoat]

Marriage is a long term thing, faking a religion is a pretty dumb idea to get a girl especially an FSUW, which
most aren't super religious. Running around to different Orthodox churches to hit on girls as a non religious
man is like going to a hundred gay bars to hit on men when you aren't gay. What happens when you catch
one?

Be who you are and what you are. Being a big lying phony is not going to work long term. Spending 3 hours
in church every Sunday in a language you don't understand plus fasting well over 100 days per year will get
tiresome for someone who is faking it. If you lived during the Spanish Inquisition, I would say fake until you
make it, but the majority of FSUW do not fast, although some do during Velikiy Post (Easter lent fast).

Adopt one of Krim's ideas, join a volunteer group to help out old babushka's in Ukraine. That should work
during the short term.

Never try to fake or lie in any situation if you want a long term relationship.   

Udachi!

Bill

Surely if they are not super into being Orthodox Christian then it's less of an issue if you aren't either, you are just attending church like they are. I'm sorted for a girl at the moment but always just wondered. I'm not the sort of guy to want to be fake or phoney or be somewhere that I don't want be, generally church lol, but some guys may be less fussed.

Potentially, when setting down in the FSU it might be a way to get the job done quick without messing about with apps and online dating. I'm not all that up on the Orthodox faith or any other in terms of who can join in. I guess Google could tell me a bit more nowadays if I was bothered to Google, but if it's a case of just walk in before service begins and sit down somewhere while some dude bores on for a good while then maybe some guys reading here would be open to it. After all do you have to be really religious to partake or is anyone with a passing interest welcome?

Language could be a problem, having good command of Russian/Ukrainian could definitely make it easier. If not then I guess going to cities with a high proportion of English speakers may help. Myself I am glad that I am with someone who is not at all religious like me. However I can see how the Orthodox Churches could be a useful dating network just sat there ready to access.

[2tallbill]

Surely if they are not super into being Orthodox Christian then it's less of an issue if you aren't either, you are just attending church like they are.

In your opinion how often does an FSUW attend a church?

[Trenchcoat]

In your opinion how often does an FSUW attend a church?

I don't have a big insight into this not being Orthodox Christian myself and having had few conversations with FSW on this matter. However, if a FSW attends an Orthodox Church fairly frequently she will likely wear a headscarf around her neck nearly all the time also, a tell tale sign there

That is what the first lady I met in Kyiv did, however while she went I think reasonably frequently I don't think she was fervently religious or obsessive in her attendance. She did say that she believed an Orthodox Wedding to be eternally binding and so she would only do a Civil Wedding in most cases - as do you really want to be bound eternally to each other forever. In Kyiv we went into an Orthodox Church she put up her headscarf and I admired the internal architecture of the place. Think she just did the cross sign type of thing or similar and she was done. I don't know if it ever gets much more than that. Seems a fairly quiet affair with not much room for chit chat in there but I could be wrong, I have never been around at a full service.

Second girl, Kherson Girl was also an Orthodox believer. However I think less so than the first girl at least at those points in time when I was with them. She wore a big wooden cross at night lol but she never wore a neck scarf and wouldn't visit any Orthodox Churches in Kyiv as she didn't have one with her and I don't think she really wanted to visit any either. From asking her although she would go at times I don't think she really went often all that much.

Many go to Orthodox Churches around Easter time and at Christmas I have learned from questioning FSW even some who aren't really religious. However less FSW seem to go at other times of the year. That is as far as my insight goes into it all. Perhaps you can tell us more Beel?

[2tallbill]

I don't have a big insight into this not being Orthodox Christian myself and having had few conversations with FSW on this matter. However, if a FSW attends an Orthodox Church fairly frequently she will likely wear a headscarf around her neck nearly all the time also, a tell tale sign there

That is what the first lady I met in Kyiv did, however while she went I think reasonably frequently I don't think she was fervently religious or obsessive in her attendance. She did say that she believed an Orthodox Wedding to be eternally binding and so she would only do a Civil Wedding in most cases - as do you really want to be bound eternally to each other forever. In Kyiv we went into an Orthodox Church she put up her headscarf and I admired the internal architecture of the place. Think she just did the cross sign type of thing or similar and she was done. I don't know if it ever gets much more than that. Seems a fairly quiet affair with not much room for chit chat in there but I could be wrong, I have never been around at a full service.

Second girl, Kherson Girl was also an Orthodox believer. However I think less so than the first girl at least at those points in time when I was with them. She wore a big wooden cross at night lol but she never wore a neck scarf and wouldn't visit any Orthodox Churches in Kyiv as she didn't have one with her and I don't think she really wanted to visit any either. From asking her although she would go at times I don't think she really went often all that much.

Many go to Orthodox Churches around Easter time and at Christmas I have learned from questioning FSW even some who aren't really religious. However less FSW seem to go at other times of the year. That is as far as my insight goes into it all. Perhaps you can tell us more Beel?

Most regularly practicing Orthodox FSUW get married at a young age, then stay married. You will never meet these
women. There a few that I met in Georgia that are still single going into their early thirties, they are likely virgins
and you have zero chance of meeting them without moving to Georgia, living there for a couple years becoming
Orthodox, attending church for three hours every Sunday, fasting every fast day, then you could marry them,
then you could have sex with them.

Going to church with them twice or five times per year, then doing the jump into ice water thing with them will
get you a few boy friend points for sure. However, being a non-lazy, decent man would get you even more.
You should probably do both. Krimsters volunteer work idea will probably net you the most. Here is a novel 
idea DO ALL THREE, but stop with all your ideas to trick or deceive FSUW. You would be able to find
AND keep a girl way above what you could manage now. The best good girl should be your end goal. A
hot, horny, gullible idiot is what you think you want but in the end, someone will take her away.
Probably before your STD's you catch from her clear up.




http://youtu.be/snENC-BgtLk

[Grumpy]

 Before dating a religious woman you might want to investigate something called "tithing" .

[krimster2]

most FSUW are "perfunctory christians" who irregularly/rarely attend church
most....a small minority become more dedicated and tithe

they may also own a couple of religious icons that they may hang in the car (like catholic latinos)
or cross themselves if something bad happens and say "borgia moy"
but that' about the only manifestation you'll see/hear

An orthodox church would be a terrible place for "pickups"

the best places i've seen are Dance Studios (Kyiv or Moscow), shopping areas or the commercial district
Trench, you ain't got enough "flow" for these places

young white boyz, age 30 and under, will be gobbled up by Ukrainian women, so damned fast, you'd be shocked
it would just rain pooty tang all day long on these dewds

trophy wives are available for acquisition and mergers
but if you ask, "how much it costs" then ya can't afford it
it ain't cheap
but worth whatever price ya gotta pay

[olgac]

I agree with Bill that the truly traditional, religious FSU girls are NOT the ones looking for a foreigner.
They usually marry young to a local guy from the same church as maintaining their culture and religion is very important to them

[Trenchcoat]

I agree with Bill that the truly traditional, religious FSU girls are NOT the ones looking for a foreigner.
They usually marry young to a local guy from the same church as maintaining their culture and religion is very important to them

That's interesting to know Olga and I think you and Bill are probably right on that one, it would seem to make sense that, that would be the case. Whether less religious FSW are interested in foreign men in church I guess would probably be a bit sporadic as if they don't go often, maybe some as a brief in & out into church once every blue moon or infrequently then it might potentially not be such a good place. If FSW and WM don't make themselves known enough in such places then often people probably stick to anonymity and nothing happens.

[2tallbill]

That's interesting to know Olga and I think you and Bill are probably right on that one, it
would seem to make sense that, that would be the case.

You entertaining being totally fake (again) is going to be a problem. Your idea that you can
fake out women by feigning religiousness that you don't have is idiotic. Imagine your girl
that you fake out makes a baby with you. Then she thinks that the baby should be raised
as an Orthodox. You being a total fake decide that attending is a waste of your time. She
goes without you and now she is attending all these events and meeting men who aren't
fake or lazy or broke ass who know her language and culture and are younger and more
handsome.   

Soon enough she is going to a judge and now she is living in your house with her new
family with a man who actually finishes your remodel and puts a pile of children in those
rooms, meanwhile you are scraping by making child support payments living in a basic
tiny apartment with no prospects for a future family or a happy life.

Maybe being a fake is not the way to go. Or maybe you know better about these things.

Udachi

Bill

[Trenchcoat]

You entertaining being totally fake (again) is going to be a problem. Your idea that you can
fake out women by feigning religiousness that you don't have is idiotic. Imagine your girl
that you fake out makes a baby with you. Then she thinks that the baby should be raised
as an Orthodox. You being a total fake decide that attending is a waste of your time. She
goes without you and now she is attending all these events and meeting men who aren't
fake or lazy or broke ass who know her language and culture and are younger and more
handsome.   

Soon enough she is going to a judge and now she is living in your house with her new
family with a man who actually finishes your remodel and puts a pile of children in those
rooms, meanwhile you are scraping by making child support payments living in a basic
tiny apartment with no prospects for a future family or a happy life.

Maybe being a fake is not the way to go. Or maybe you know better about these things.

Udachi

Bill

No need to get so touchy over your religiousness Beel. I was just merely intrigued to know how the Orthodox Christian Religion might possibly help to function to help a WM who was religious in some capacity and who would be content to accept the Orthodox Christian Religion. As you state it wouldn't suit me and I'm not looking there or for another FSW as I already have one. I'm just curious as to how the Orthodox Christian Religion scene operates or might operate in relation to dating. I like to know the world around me even if I am not part of that world but merely walking past it as I was when I was out in Ukraine a few years ago.

After all by the same token if there was a girl who was a Performing Arts fanatic or a Sports fanatic I wouldn't fit into those worlds either. I have a passing interest and they have that scene out in the FSU also but for me it wouldn't be the place to turn up. I've written to girls like that but had to pass as their world and mine were just on totally different planets.

[2tallbill]

No need to get so touchy over your religiousness Beel. I was just merely intrigued to know how the Orthodox Christian Religion might possibly help to function to help a WM who was religious in some capacity and who would be content to accept the Orthodox Christian Religion. As you state it wouldn't suit me and I'm not looking there or for another FSW as I already have one. I'm just curious as to how the Orthodox Christian Religion scene operates or might operate in relation to dating. I like to know the world around me even if I am not part of that world but merely walking past it as I was when I was out in Ukraine a few years ago.

After all by the same token if there was a girl who was a Performing Arts fanatic or a Sports fanatic I wouldn't fit into those worlds either. I have a passing interest and they have that scene out in the FSU also but for me it wouldn't be the place to turn up. I've written to girls like that but had to pass as their world and mine were just on totally different planets.

Newbies/Lurkers this is for you.

I am getting touchy about the SAME EXACT THING THAT I ALWAYS GET TOUCHY ABOUT
Being dishonest, being a fake, trying to cheat, trying to scam, trying to trick one of these girls.

I am not talking to you because you aren't capable of learning how to be real. If you don't like
yourself, nobody else will either. Be yourself, it's the only thing that everyone is good at. These
girls can sniff out a phony from the other side of a fish market a hundred miles away with
hurricane winds.

Find a good girl who likes the real you at least as much as you like her. Then be more honest
than you have ever been in your entire life, because a good girl doesn't want a liar. They know
that if you will lie about little things, then you will lie about big things too.

[krimster2]

"a person who pretends to be what he or she is not - an insincere person"

I am ALL for fun and games, but...
being insincere with a Russian woman is NOT gonna help ya AT ALL
if you talk the talk, you damned well better walk the walk, or she'll be the one walking
"poseurs" get rejected with extreme predjudice

how would you feel, if the roles were reversed and some woman "led you on" and in reality had no interest

a truly caring, empathetic and EFFECTIVE (knows how to get stuff done) man, is pretty rare in Russia, Russian Poseurs are everywhere, being a foreign one will bring you no advantage
Russian women are starved for THE RIGHT KIND of male affection and attention, because it's in short supply and high demand

that's all I ever did with them, was nurture them until their hormones kicked in
that "delayed gratification" approach is the best path

I learned this through experience
when I started out, I was pretty ignorant as well
once I started gaining some success, I got into my groove, and got me one of them there "trophy wives" a tall beautiful Ukrainian Village Girl, that I'm still VERY happy to live with
i'm not sure how I'd be able to live without her...we're family...which goes way beyond any boyfriend/girlfriend relationship

I do admit, it was my Willy being a dominant factor when I met my wife
but later my brain figured out my wife was pure gold
my wife and I have had an interesting life that we have shareed together for 25 years
I never met anyone else even close to her in the USA

if I wasn't married, I would be a mean 'ole nasty curmudgeon

Trench, ya want success with the ladies?
stop being a nebbish and be a mensch instead
that's ALL ya really gotta do

frankly, it'd solve ALL YUR problems if ya just learned how to be a mensch
THIS is what YOU should focus on
and not "how many angels dancing on the head of a pin, and can you pick them up"

get out of yur comfort zone, take risks, work harder
stop being a nebbish, only a putz follows that path

[2tallbill]

"a person who pretends to be what he or she is not - an insincere person"

I am ALL for fun and games, but...
being insincere with a Russian woman is NOT gonna help ya AT ALL
if you talk the talk, you damned well better walk the walk, or she'll be the one walking
"poseurs" get rejected with extreme predjudice

I agree with 100% of everything in your post, not just the part that I quoted.

[krimster2]

i tell ya what....
we can meet in the middle of no-man's land
and I'll drink to the kaiser and you can toast ole king george
but after the drink, back to the trenches me boy-o!!!

I spent almost all day in the pool, it was nearly 100 degrees out
then I caught a huge black snake (they always come out when it's hot), couldn't leave it in the garden like I wanted, cuz my wife would freak out, and my daughter's cats might get bitten and they'd freak out
I was on the way to the woods behind my house to release it
when I came across a mole den and entrance
I dropped the snake down the entrance, and it immediately slithered away

damn, now do I know how to have a good time or what!!!!
I hope it's not gonna be too dry on July 4th so I can shoot off my machineguns + fireworks
America! Hell yeah!!!! phuque everything and everyone, I'm here to PAR-TAY!!!!

Krimster's Annual Funkadelic July 4th BBQ and Freak-Off

mp3 playlist on outdoor speakers restricted to hard rock songs before 1980
no drugs until AFTER the machineguns are outta ammo
then huff and puff all ya want, hookahs on every corner of the pool

I really like getting middle-aged Russians high for their first time, cuz then I "mess with their heads" and they act really funny
all the world is just a giant amusement park to me now