Outlook for Children of joint Western/FSU relationships

[Trenchcoat]

I know there are several members on here who have had children with FSW. I have been wondering what do you see as their outlook in life potentially?

Do you see their future as better off getting with a Western Woman or an East European Woman like yourself?

Are you teaching your child just the English language or Russian, Ukrainian, etc languages as well?

Do you see them as ever going out to the FSU much in future? I know some here may live in the US so the FSU is a long flight journey away. Others here live in Europe so FSU countries are relatively close by at hand in comparison so potentially allowing for more frequent visits with shorter and cheaper travel time.

[olgac]

Ours is basically an American and speaks very little Russian with horrible accent. It's pretty hard to preserve RUssian when English is spoken at home. My twin sister's husband is Russian, who came here on H1B and their daughter speaks Russian, not a very sophisticated Russian, with an accent, but still. Nobody I knew (male children) went back to get an FSU wife except a son of my Ukranian friend who married a Ukranian girl. My friend treated her as her own daughter, was very happy, but it turned out she had a boyfriend back home, did not love my friend's son and left him after couple of years. He was devastated.

All the other young men, sons of my FSUW friends are just dating American girls not even americanized russian-speaking like themselves, but the ones born here. Often different race. One young man married a latina in California, others married americanized asians, some white american girls

[Trenchcoat]

Ours is basically an American and speaks very little Russian with horrible accent. It's pretty hard to preserve RUssian when English is spoken at home. My twin sister's husband is Russian, who came here on H1B and their daughter speaks Russian, not a very sophisticated Russian, with an accent, but still. Nobody I knew (male children) went back to get an FSU wife except a son of my Ukranian friend who married a Ukranian girl. My friend treated her as her own daughter, was very happy, but it turned out she had a boyfriend back home, did not love my friend's son and left him after couple of years. He was devastated.

All the other young men, sons of my FSUW friends are just dating American girls not even americanized russian-speaking like themselves, but the ones born here. Often different race. One young man married a latina in California, others married americanized asians, some white american girls

That's interesting to know Olga. It looks like for the US that children don't so much get with the native tongue of one of their parents. Probably varies a bit, I know Krim said that his daughter's spoke Russian. Here in the UK we haven't had a big FSU community until the recent last few years where we got a lot of Ukrainian refugees and also quite a lot of Russian ones escaping Putler's Russia. I know many Polish here enrol their Children in Polish weekend school to teach them Polish or just teach them it themselves. Should be interesting to see if the shorter distance makes a difference on whether children learn FSU language of their parent while in the UK.

[Steven1971]

My son is bilingual in French and English. It's really important to insist they consume the language at home they don't use at school and with friends. I wouldime to take the credit, but South Park and YouTube did a lot of the heavy lifting.

[Trenchcoat]

My son is bilingual in French and English. It's really important to insist they consume the language at home they don't use at school and with friends. I wouldime to take the credit, but South Park and YouTube did a lot of the heavy lifting.

Thanks Steven, that is good to know and confirms stuff that Google has thrown up. Basically having stuff in the other language around, books, films, as you say You Tube maybe even Social Media can help a lot. Speaking the language of the country you are not in at home is a good idea as then it gives it regular practice to stay in use. That no doubt helps with remembering and recall of a language beyond the initial learning of the language.

Myself I've never obtained a fluent conversational level in any language. Looking at the task after learning some Russian I can see the monumental task in gaining this fluency. It's not really a weekend hobby or like they teach us French, etc when we were in School of a few hours a week in class and a bit of homework. It really seems to take a lot more time and be in a situation where regular use of the language is needed to obtain that desirable level of fluency.

I think use of more than one language that is widely spoken can be of great use to any person, adult or child. Unfortunately here some people choose to waste their time learning Welsh which is hardly ever spoken lol.

[2tallbill]

Ours is basically an American and speaks very little Russian with horrible accent. It's pretty hard to preserve Russian when English is spoken at home.

Mini Me takes classes taught in Russian where nobody is allowed to speak
English. All the teachers are Native Russian speakers but Mini Me won't speak
Russian except when forced to do so.

His Russia is rudimentary. Compared to parents who both speak Russian at
home.

[krimster2]

years ago, I was hoping my kids would at least get part of their education in Russia
for example, learning the technology behind the fast breeder reactor BN-350, a 50 year old liquid sodium cooled Soviet Breeder reactor
I actually went to visit it's remains in Kazakhstan, and found/purchased official Soviet design documents from the Kazakhstan ministry of interior

imagine making a breeder reactor that could be made with 50 year old Russian technology, that NEVER runs out of fuel
and updating it, using modern technology, a mass-produced Small Modular Reactor made in a factory that takes only a month to install on site
a foolish dream...

but not now...
in Russia, it's a police state on steroids
you are just one word/action away from bein "detained"
the sword of Damocles is always hangin over yur head
Putinism means the Russian language doesn't connect to my kids future any more, just their past...
but they had a glorious childhood in Crimea
sledding in the winter, the black sea in the summer

now, it's off limits to them

the USA extradited a Russian hacker a couple of weeks ago
it means another American is gonne be detained at Moscva, to be swapped later

[Trenchcoat]

Mini Me takes classes taught in Russian where nobody is allowed to speak
English. All the teachers are Native Russian speakers but Mini Me won't speak
Russian except when forced to do so.

His Russia is rudimentary. Compared to parents who both speak Russian at
home.

That's interesting to hear Bill there must be quite a sizeable Russian community where you are?

As Mini Me gets older it might not be a bad place to check out to see if there is any talent Hopefully the girls and not the boys lol.

So what is our Beel doing to up his learning of Russian at home?

[Trenchcoat]

years ago, I was hoping my kids would at least get part of their education in Russia
for example, learning the technology behind the fast breeder reactor BN-350, a 50 year old liquid sodium cooled Soviet Breeder reactor
I actually went to visit it's remains in Kazakhstan, and found/purchased official Soviet design documents from the Kazakhstan ministry of interior

Krim why would you want your daughter's to learn such stuff? Usually girls aren't into such technology type of fields and it may even be seen as unusual for a Father to want any daughters to be into such fields.

[krimster2]

I have one daughter who is "gifted" in science/math who's now an Electrical Engineering major and will graduate with a BSEE next year
since there's no entry level jobs, for her after graduation, she might as well do her MSEE after that...
sucks to be "Gen Z" and have much lower expectations than preceeding generations

[Trenchcoat]

I have one daughter who is "gifted" in science/math who's now an Electrical Engineering major and will graduate with a BSEE next year
since there's no entry level jobs, for her after graduation, she might as well do her MSEE after that...
sucks to be "Gen Z" and have much lower expectations than preceeding generations

Wouldn't she be better of just getting pregnant and having children? After all she is with a guy now and most guys would like to have children.

[krimster2]

generally...people have careers, savings, before they think about children....
that's why I was in my 40s when I became a father, and not in my 20s when I was a university student/summer time construction worker

Boomers were the luckiest generation in history
right place, right time
we were given all the post-war treasure
but the treasure ran out
and so we "revert to the mean" for future generations

New Deal-->NO Deal
decline of the middle class, the poor become poorer and the rich become even richer

the period where the path to success was Education, job skills, white collar job, buy yur own house
is over

blue collar BUSINESSES are the future
and so is living on a farm with off-grid utilities, protected from EMP attack
and growin yur own food and HEMP!!

[Trenchcoat]

generally...people have careers, savings, before they think about children....
that's why I was in my 40s when I became a father, and not in my 20s when I was a university student/summer time construction worker

Boomers were the luckiest generation in history
right place, right time
we were given all the post-war treasure
but the treasure ran out
and so we "revert to the mean" for future generations

New Deal-->NO Deal
decline of the middle class, the poor become poorer and the rich become even richer

the period where the path to success was Education, job skills, white collar job, buy yur own house
is over

blue collar BUSINESSES are the future
and so is living on a farm with off-grid utilities, protected from EMP attack
and growin yur own food and HEMP!!

That's the problem, everyone doing the same thing at the same time.

The situation your daughter is facing is generally the way it has been since the 90s. It's what I faced in my life and most youngsters since.

If it were me and I was very wealthy like yourself I would just give her the money so shd didn't need to do all of that so she could go and get pregnant right away and you would have Grandchildren.

The problem is after she's got her Masters degree, etc. If she picks up work whatever work it is she is then going to be in 'career mode'. She won't want to go and have children as she will see herself as on the career ladder and children a distraction from that. The Employer will always be dangling another promotion on the career ladder in front of her and what comes with it and she won't want to pull away from that. It can be a real trap for women I think.

So to my mind it's why I dislike the idea of any woman, partner, daughters getting on the career track in the first place as once on there it's pretty difficult for them to get off and they often end up railroaded along the track to a place that isn't good for them personally.

[krimster2]

they have their own lives, make their own choices

[Trenchcoat]

they have their own lives, make their own choices

That's a very Western sentiment Krim, those of us going to the FSU do so to avoid that as we know where it leads.

Just think if your daughter's put out you could have a whole organisation of little Krim's to do your bidding

[krimster2]

unfortunately...that plan didn't work out...

wife and I will soon be on our own
my wife has rejected the idea of livin on a large boat in the caribbean
OTOH, I can see the virtue of having a post office box in some port for packages, etc and living on a yacht
and swim and dive every day
no neighbors, politics, or BS

leave when storms come
avoid customs at points of entry, etc
yacht tourists don't have to worry about customs declarations, etc

the fact that Epstein's "Pedo Island" is in such proximity to The Caymen Islands, which is an off-shore tax haven for money launderers
tells you that that Epstein's teen sex and money were all connected together

just one of Epstein's bank accounts had $1.5 BILLION in wire transfers
always FOLLOW THE MONEY


I like how Ghislane's father became Maxwell from Ján Ludvík Hyman Binyamin Hoch
he was born in the same area my Ukrainian yevray ancestor's were from, and he himself was yevray

Ghislane Maxwell was the most "connected" person in the USA thanks to her father and her own ability
after Epstein died...and I think he was so terrified about bein a pedo in prison, that he did kill himself
Ghislane's new boy friend, after Epstein, and before she was apprehended,  was the person who held the keys to the data of the global shipping network

don't you see how IT ALL CONNECTS
taboo teen sex, money laundering, shipping intelligence data

and she was just rewarded by being transferred to a federal "Club Fed"
for not "ratting out" someone

[Trenchcoat]

unfortunately...that plan didn't work out...

wife and I will soon be on our own
my wife has rejected the idea of livin on a large boat in the caribbean
OTOH, I can see the virtue of having a post office box in some port for packages, etc and living on a yacht
and swim and dive every day
no neighbors, politics, or BS

leave when storms come
avoid customs at points of entry, etc
yacht tourists don't have to worry about customs declarations, etc

the fact that Epstein's "Pedo Island" is in such proximity to The Caymen Islands, which is an off-shore tax haven for money launderers
tells you that that Epstein's teen sex and money were all connected together

just one of Epstein's bank accounts had $1.5 BILLION in wire transfers
always FOLLOW THE MONEY


I like how Ghislane's father became Maxwell from Ján Ludvík Hyman Binyamin Hoch
he was born in the same area my Ukrainian yevray ancestor's were from, and he himself was yevray

Ghislane Maxwell was the most "connected" person in the USA thanks to her father and her own ability
after Epstein died...and I think he was so terrified about bein a pedo in prison, that he did kill himself
Ghislane's new boy friend, after Epstein, and before she was apprehended,  was the person who held the keys to the data of the global shipping network

don't you see how IT ALL CONNECTS
taboo teen sex, money laundering, shipping intelligence data

and she was just rewarded by being transferred to a federal "Club Fed"
for not "ratting out" someone

+100 👍 to no neighbours. Not wishing to seem unsociable but neighbours can be a pain in the arse. Even when keeping to yourself you can still get bother from them. I wouldn't like to be stuck in the wilderness in isolation but I would say about a quarter of a mile from the nearest village is a good distance for a bit of peace from annoying neighbours.

I get where you are at with your daughter Krim. My Sister when she was in her teens and twenties was all about her deciding and not wanting kids at the moment. She had it pumped into her at school like a lot of girls in the 90s onwards about careers and what they can get. Of course a career freezes out the prospect of having children early on if at all. All that stuff essentially takes the power out of the parent's/father's hands and into the state's/corporation's hands. It's just another form of indoctrination like religious indoctrination. It's done subtly, the girl gets praised for being good at this or that at school (unless she's a complete non starter) usually an academic subject not usually home ec. etc. The doting Father then couldn't be more proud not realising that he's just had the cards ripped right out of his hands and into the State's/Corporations. All that is left to do by the School is to harp on about what wonderful careers and so called opportunities await the girl (and most other pupils) and voila her future has now been decided for her.

For boys such an education can be ok since they can't get pregnant and we're always supposed to provide, worst case scenario they rot in some dead end Corporate job. For girls though it's essentially risking flushing their lives away for the good of the State/Corporate America, UK, etc.

If I were having girls these days I wouldn't even send them to School for the power to be ripped out of my hands. I would move to Home Schooling for them, it's easier these days with the internet and will become easier still with AI teachers online. That way all of the propaganda they slip into teaching in Schools is removed and the core learning of subjects can be gotten into. All without this, that and the other stuff you don't want influencing your child getting on.


I still can't believe how stupid Ghislaine was to be in the US, after Epstein died the feminists wanted a replacement to answer for his crimes. I'm not saying that Ghislaine did no wrongdoing and Epstein was a real snake but she should have known better than to be in the US it was only a matter of time. She would have been better off hiding out in the large expanse of the countryside in France than anything else or just about anywhere else.

I think you are no doubt right Krim and I'm sure Trump hand lucrative dealings with Epstein and vice versa. When you get up to that level most politicians at the top are going to have dealings to enhance their position and stay at the top. Many will have fixers and all sorts of contacts and deals it's how the rich get rich and powerful. You could probably do so also and I guess kind of already have by joining a clan in Moscow. Out there it's very dangerous to be up the top of a clan, here not usually so. Here in the West all the bottom feeders eat from below, wait their turn and if they are canny enough rise up over time or take a big risk and do it in one. My guess is that you could make it up the top in the West with the position you are in Krim it's just whose clan are you going to join, Republican, Democrat, etc and which top movers and shakers would you rub shoulders with??? Or perhaps just decide that you would rather do your own thing and not bother with all of that as you have done so far.