TverRomance

[Admin]

Thanks for proving a point I was trying to make in a thread sometime back. Just reinforced everything I have come to realize in this buisness. Thank you!

Richard,

It is the same in all businesses. You cannot become disenchanted over the decisions of a few in the short-term. There are *always* going to be factors beyond your control that will entice people elsewhere. It is the same with running a silly internet discussion forum. I *know* RWD, P-L, and GW are the best in the business. I *know* we offer more than any other venue. I *know* both newbie and veteran alike will gain more by participation here than anywhere else. But that doesn't stop the other sites from promoting their 'wares' (such as they are) - and there are plenty of people who are drawn in by whatever it is that is offered elsewhere.

It is the way of the world and there is nothing that you or I can do to change that. What we *can* do - is make the service/product we provide the "Best of Breed" - and over the long haul, I believe it will prove out.

BTW - I would make the same comment to Natasha or Marc if they are listening-in. Keep your eye on the ball and may the best man/woman win!

FWIW

- Dan

[Rvrwind]

Thanks Dan, needed that. I got another thing going on here with a client that is wearing me down some, maybe I'm just taking things to serious lately. No skin off my butt, what goes around comes around,
I just have times when I think I'm fightin' a losing battle. So why not give up the fight & join the rest of them & enjoy the good life too. Then I give my head a shake & I'm okay again.

[Bruno]

Dan and Richard...

The best forum don't exist... the best agency don't exist... and for the guys seeking a bride, the best bride don't exist...

WHY?

Very simple, each individual is unique, have own expectation, own need , own taste, etc ... It is virtually impossible for a forum, for a agency or a RW to please to everybody....

The right shoes for the right foot...

Never worry if you loose a member, loose a agency customer... it simply mean that you are not make for these who go away from you... but it never mean that you are bad... trying to please to everybody lead to a complex service who are usually low quality... In some way, it is better have someone who choose a other forum or other agency that someone who try to use a service not adapted to him and who finish by publish a lot of complain...

Av8or1 have make his own choice and he will assume the happy or bad consequence... we have not the right to say something about his own choice, he is adult and free.

[Bruno]

I just have times when I think I'm fightin' a losing battle. So why not give up the fight & join the rest of them & enjoy the good life too.

I have give up myself... but sometime, i have some regret... the site was good working, a lot of traffic, some success story... but i have give up because of the attack from some other agency... not the verbal one but these who don't allow me to make my work...

Sometime, i feel sorry to have stop... yes, the problem are away... but i never feel the pleasure when my work lead two people to hapiness... no more problem but live enough empty... but my fiancee compensate a lot these emptyness 

[Rvrwind]

Never worry if you loose a member, loose a agency customer...

Bruno, no offence my friend, but I think your missing the point.
It has nothing to do with losng a client or customer, he!! that didn't even enter my mind, he never was my client to lose.
You, me & a few others have tried & tried time again to clean up this buismess. Do you think for one minute that when he comes back he'll have one bad word to say about TR, of course not, they'll make damn sure he has the time of his life & meets oodles of ladies & everything will go by without a hitch. All of that all of a sudden makes up for all those who didn't get the royal treatment but got the royal shaft instead & those who will get it in the future.
By guys contnuing to use these companies they are only reinforcing the fact that they can continue their less than savory ways & it isn't going to hurt them at all, they will still get the clients & buisness won't suffer. All the while sending a message to us, those that do not practise less than savory practises, that we are basically wasting our time.
I'm going to change the policy for my website & the whole tag line, from now on I'm going to advertise that we're the most unsavory & dishonest company out there. You wanna get ripped off, you want to get love letters from somebody who doesn't exsist or maybe your a special guy & you need to know she exsists but you don't  care if she writes the letters herself or not. Well my friend you have come to the right place, we'll burn you like you've never been burnt & we'll shake your hand & smile as you exit stage left & on top of that we'll charge you 500% more than its worth & you'll be happier for it. Welcome to Tver!!!
Think that'll work!!!
Sheeeesh!!! Ya' gotta give the Devil his due, he's been workin' this side of the tracks like a pro....

[Bruno]

Bruno, no offence my friend, but I think your missing the point.
It has nothing to do with losng a client or customer, he!! that didn't even enter my mind, he never was my client to lose.

No offence Richard but i think that it have something to make with these customer... simply read your own post in the introduction section...

You, me & a few others have tried & tried time again to clean up this buismess. Do you think for one minute that when he comes back he'll have one bad word to say about TR, of course not, they'll make damn sure he has the time of his life & meets oodles of ladies & everything will go by without a hitch. All of that all of a sudden makes up for all those who didn't get the royal treatment but got the royal shaft instead & those who will get it in the future.

Who know ? If he meet a wonderful women via TR, of course he will never complain... but if he go to Tver, and he don't find the women, he will say a lot of bad word... Some agency are bad, some very bad, some almost good but with luck, a customer will find some hapiness in each... when a agency is so bad, they will not survive a long time... customer will dissappear and the flow of money will stop...

By guys contnuing to use these companies they are only reinforcing the fact that they can continue their less than savory ways & it isn't going to hurt them at all, they will still get the clients & buisness won't suffer. All the while sending a message to us, those that do not practise less than savory practises, that we are basically wasting our time.

Like say before, some people need agency like TR and some other agency like yours... some people like apple but some other like citrus... don't try sell apple to people who like citrus, you loose your time...

I'm going to change the policy for my website & the whole tag line, from now on I'm going to advertise that we're the most unsavory & dishonest company out there. You wanna get ripped off, you want to get love letters from somebody who doesn't exsist or maybe your a special guy & you need to know she exsists but you don't  care if she writes the letters herself or not. Well my friend you have come to the right place, we'll burn you like you've never been burnt & we'll shake your hand & smile as you exit stage left & on top of that we'll charge you 500% more than its worth & you'll be happier for it. Welcome to Tver!!!
Think that'll work!!!

Good luck, i am sure that it will not work... Same the more bad agency never admit some mistake... in these business, admit a mistake is the end of the business... simply calm down... in any way, in the very long term, only the best will win... maybe in a few year, you will buy TR... or reverse, they will buy you... No, this is not possible, you are to much proud... you will sink your own ship and never surrender to other... This is the difference between you and the other... they are business... you have a hobby, a passion, something where money is at the second plan...

[av8or1]

Richard, Dan, Bruno, others:

Gheez but that sounds like I'm in Julius Caesar or something!  Look, I had no idea that my post and the announcement therein would stir such feelings in the three listed above or I would have thought twice about posting.  Probably would have still done it, but I would have thought about it at least.  That's a joke for the humor impaired.

I was going to write to Richard off-list but I'll just do it here since people seem to be questioning my decision (as though I cared, which I don't), a decision which isn't even complete yet, though I have narrowed it down a bit.

Ok, look.  I could go on and on about synergy with common backgrounds (West helping/understanding West) and I could discuss the good business practices that Richard spoke of (which I don't think are limited to Western operated agencies, but I digress) too.  Hey: I agree with these things in general.  However, at the end of the day it's about who offers the best product for the money.  Period.  Are you three listening?  Of the services available in Tver, in my estimation the agency that provides the best product was/is TR.  Why?  Although I was impressed with Natasha and her kindness/knowledge, and I have been satisfied with the guys on this board who support her agency as well as with the contacts she provided, when it all boils down to it, it is because they have the women I am interested in meeting and they seem to offer good customer service, a feeling that was verified by the guys who I have spoken with off-list.  It's that simple.  TA has almost 0 women on its website and LTP has only 3 I am interested in meeting.  I may do that with LTP if the need arises, which they have told me would be just fine with them and they didn't complain about my choice, unlike what I have encountered here. lol

Regarding Maxx's comments about me being interested in women who "catch" my "eye", no it's not about that either Maxx.  I am disappointed that you'd say such a thing after our conversation, but I understand that you have been burned badly in the past, so maybe that makes you jaded enough to say such a thing.  Fellas, for me it's not about physical appearance.  I realize that what I am about to say may seem a little corny, but I'll say it anyway, I have the guts.  My interest in these women is about how I feel when I see the woman's photos and read her profile and her letters.  It's about her goals and it's about who she is as a person.  Her beliefs, her values and her family/friends.  It's about compatability and the possibility to have a future with this woman that will last well beyond 90 days or 2 years, but for a lifetime.  It's about the children we could have and the many nights of going to sleep together and waking up in each other's arms.  It's about a connection with another human being the importance of which transcends all other matters on this planet.  It's about being married, once and forever.  This is much more than some shallow remark regarding physical appearance.  Nope, for me TR has a significantly higher number of the women who make me think about these notions of marriage than the other agencies.  THAT'S what it's about.  Got it?

To address the issue of finances which would probably come up if I don't talk about it, if I had chosen to use Richard's services (or LTP for that matter) I would have been required to pay $50 for each meeting with a TR woman plus the interpreter's fees (minus the first hour, I do remember that, Richard).  I am interested in meeting with about 13 women in TR, likely more (emphasis on MEETING, as in to see which woman I am the most compatible with, so don't go astray, whoever may be thinking about it).  So by the time you sum the cost of the meetings plus the cost of the a-la-carte items such as airport transfers, lodging and interpreter's fees, the resulting overall cost comes out about the same.  Therefore I chose to use the full service option that Natasha provides, so long as I was happy with what I saw after using her agency for a while.  That last part of the equation came true recently and it was cemented when I spoke with her by phone.

As for the claims of other guys getting burned by TR (or anyone else), well if that did happen, I am sympathetic to them.  However, they should have told someone about it.  I sure would have.  If it happens to me at any point in the future I will report it, partly out of a duty to guys who would potentially follow in my footsteps.  However, if I leave a place and I just didn't get a woman but the agency did its job then I won't make a report about that agency being a scam.  What kind of LOSER would do that?  Wait...I have seen that more times than I care to remember, now that I think about it.  Maybe we all have, who knows.  It's the scenario where some LOSER who couldn't get a date in his native country to save his life thinks that he can find one in the FSU.  So he makes the trip only to find out that women are still women even if they are Russian and doesn't have any luck in the FSU either.  He gets hacked off that he couldn't land a "hot babe" so he complains that he got scammed!  Ha! lol  In reality the women just didn't like him.  It happens, face it and move on.  Ok enough.

In conclusion I don't have any animosity towards anyone in this whole Tver situation.  I appreciate everyone's input and time.  I'd like to meet Richard and his wife for coffee too, if I go to Tver and if he'd be up for it...

But at the end of the day it's TR and Natasha who get my business because they offer the best product, they have a great personal touch (everyone I spoke with at the agency has been quite friendly) and they have the women I would like to meet.  It's fundamental business, it's the bottom line.  And if any of you have a problem with that, feel free to gather up every word you want to say about the subject then go and lock yourselves in a small closet and let 'er rip! lol

Best to everyone,

Jerry

[Maxx2]

Jerry I thought you understood the one truth about these women in these agencies (the ones that send phony letters) is that the only thing that is truthful is their photos (that is if they actually exist at). Usually they look like their photos. There are women who are Moscow hookers (remember E. V. Richard?) on these websites who write they want to be traditional wives and like to make a cozy homes and love to go to nature. Even the legitimate ladies tell you what they think you want to hear. In other words the only choice any one can make about a woman with an agency that ghost writes letters is about her appearance. Honestly I NEVER thought you would believe what your reading. So it had to be the looks and you would sort the rest.

In regards to Richard's and Marc's agencies there is truth in advertising and they do their best to keep their businesses clean. I remember Bruce telling me that one of the interpreters tipped him off to what she heard one of the ladies say in the restroom. This woman  was booted out. In contrast a bad agency has their Terps stroke their male clients with encouraging words and payoffs are made under the table.

Even without dealing with a shady agency this is a difficult and risky process. 

All of us here wish you well.

Maxx 

[Rvrwind]

Jerry, you do what you gotta do. I'm sure you'll have a great trip, in fact I'd almost guarrantee it.
And although everybody seems to think I am upset because your using TR is wrong. Hey if you'd have gone with LTP I wouldn't have said a word, except maybe have a good trip they'll take good care of you, but you chose to go with a company with a less than stellar reputation Who since day one of buisness have stolen, cheated & lied, of wich many have spoken clearly about & the ones on this board are a pittance of that number.
But hey go, after your grand announcement your sure to have a pair of rose tinted glasses waiting for you & the red carpet rolled out. Actually it was quite crafy doing it the way you did because you have accomplished what you wanted, be happy & enjoy. You get to see the women in an agency that if you didn't use them you wouldn't get to see them & by making your splash announcement you secured safe passage. Well done I say.
But don't ever think I'll give up the crusade against those who don't want to play by the rules, never happen, I've seen too many who have paid the price.. Dirt is dirt & sweeping it under the carpet doesn't make your house any cleaner.

[Darth Vader]

Av8or1 have make his own choice and he will assume the happy or bad consequence... we have not the right to say something about his own choice, he is adult and free.

On the surface, that sounds well and good.

But consider:

1) I was eating outside at Joe's Crab Shack.  The signs said "DON'T FEED THE BIRDS!"

But the man at the next table decided it did not apply to him.  He threw some of his left over fish on the floor.  About 100 pigeons swarmed us.  One even crapped on my date.

Moral:  One jackass can spoil everyone's dinner.

2) A spammer sends out 500,000 emails.  I have to delete it.  Takes me 5 seconds.  And I accidental deleted a good email beside it.  Damn!

I get 100 of those spam emails a day.  100 times 5 seconds.

Why do we have spam?  Because 10 men out of the 500,000 send money for the Viagra and they keep the spammer in business.

Moral: 10 jackasses can waste all of our time by keeping the spammers in business.

MY POINT:  Men who give money to bad agencies just reinforce the agency and fund them so they can keep ripping guys off.  No man should ever support an agency that writes fake letters to men.

Av8or1 made a bad choice.   Wish he would stop feeding the pigeons...

[Maxx2]

Good advice Darth! and so well stated. I would like a peak under your helmet. I might recognize you. B/B perhaps?

It rather bothers me that people get so easily taken in by a few or several referals. Doing good business with several clients is to establish a referal list to scam the next several hundred that come along. Someone should now post some stuff about the "Win Lose" Russian business model.   

Maxx

[Admin]

Richard, Dan, Bruno, others:

Gheez but that sounds like I'm in Julius Caesar or something!   Look, I had no idea that my post and the announcement therein would stir such feelings in the three listed above or I would have thought twice about posting.  Probably would have still done it, but I would have thought about it at least.   That's a joke for the humor impaired.

Jerry,

At least from my end, the only feelings you stirred are my sincere wishes you have a productive and rewarding trip.

I know Richard from many years on the boards - and I believe he wants to run an honest and successful business - but I don't hold any ill will toward Marc or Natasha or anyone else.

If my posting comes across as favoring Richard, it is mostly because of familiarity.

And BTW - I am a subscriber to the "abundance mentality" insofar as business goes - I believe there is plenty of work/business to go around, and business owners will benefit through collaboration rather than competition with a "scarcity mentality."

FWIW

- Dan

[TwoBitBandit]

OK, Natasha, where are you?... we're all interested in hearing your rebuttal...  ???

[av8or1]

Jerry,

At least from my end, the only feelings you stirred are my sincere wishes you have a productive and rewarding trip.
[snip]
If my posting comes across as favoring Richard, it is mostly because of familiarity.

Hi Dan,

No, I wasn't trying to say that you were favoring Richard.  I was simply addressing the emotion/passion/whatever-you-want-to-call-it with which y'all and others responded to my post, that's all.  You're entitled to your opinion, as am I, and I respect that in all of you.  In the end, I will make my own decision by looking at ALL of the pieces of the puzzle as a whole, not just the pieces of information I receive from your RWD (which is a great thing, BTW, kudos on that).

As you directed, I will post a review of Natasha's TR in your "Reviews" section if I decide to make my November trip to Tver, no doubt about that.  I will do the same if I go to Vinnitsa.

Another poster made mention that I would have to accept the results of my decision.  Hell yeah, I will accept whatever happens if I go to Tver, I am a man about such things, I don't complain and I don't like those who make it their life to complain.  Instead I will go in with a positive attitude, I will be genuinely appreciative of everyone's help and I will keep my fingers crossed and hope things will work out with a woman with whom I have a mutual inspiration, admiration and respect.

And BTW - I am a subscriber to the "abundance mentality" insofar as business goes - I believe there is plenty of work/business to go around, and business owners will benefit through collaboration rather than competition with a "scarcity mentality."

FWIW

- Dan

Well for me you're kinda getting off the beaten path a bit, though I see your underlying theme of good business practices being questioned here.  However, to say that Natasha doesn't want to work with the other agencies because of a "scarcity mentality" - if that's what you or the others are indeed doing - is not fair.  IMHO it's an act of jumping to ill-formed conclusions.  Noone can know why anyone does anything, except the person doing it.  I mean come on, we all know that, it's one of the fundamental aspects of human behavior.  Besides, when I spoke with her I didn't get a feeling of scarcity or anything else negative.  Her comments were direct, detailed and they felt honest.  In addition, she didn't say anything derrogatory about anyone, including her competition.  I think that if there's one thing I took away from the conversation that made me feel good about things, it was that.  She was respectful, kind and courteous.  That goes a long way in my book.

So hey y'all, I am happy and I want the same for all of you.  I came to RWD to learn from the experience of those who have gone before me and I will likewise share my experiences to benefit others.  Now, not that I'm gonna lose sleep over it, but why all the grief? lol

Best to everyone,

Jerry

[Admin]

Well for me you're kinda getting off the beaten path a bit, though I see your underlying theme of good business practices being questioned here.  However, to say that Natasha doesn't want to work with the other agencies because of a "scarcity mentality" - if that's what you or the others are indeed doing - is not fair.  IMHO it's an act of jumping to ill-formed conclusions.  Noone can know why anyone does anything, except the person doing it.  I mean come on, we all know that, it's one of the fundamental aspects of human behavior.  Besides, when I spoke with her I didn't get a feeling of scarcity or anything else negative.  Her comments were direct, detailed and they felt honest.  In addition, she didn't say anything derrogatory about anyone, including her competition.  I think that if there's one thing I took away from the conversation that made me feel good about things, it was that.  She was respectful, kind and courteous.  That goes a long way in my book.

So hey y'all, I am happy and I want the same for all of you.  I came to RWD to learn from the experience of those who have gone before me and I will likewise share my experiences to benefit others.  Now, not that I'm gonna lose sleep over it, but why all the grief? lol

Best to everyone,

Jerry

Whoa! Slow down a minute. My comment about abundance versus scarcity mentality was NOT in any way directed at Natasha. It was a general comment directed to no-one in particular. "Off the beaten path" - maybe, but it still represents a core belief I hold, and it also reflects my opinion about one of the problems affecting many agencies in this business - but I was not directing it at any one agency in particular. FWIW

Best of luck to you in your journey.

- Dan

[Maxx2]

I think that if there's one thing I took away from the conversation that made me feel good about things, it was that.  She was respectful, kind and courteous.  That goes a long way in my book.

Yes she was respectful, kind and courteous to me when I kindly told her over the phone that her agency sent me a phoney letter. She did exactly as I requested and pulled my profile off her web base. I have all of this on cassette tape BTW.

I'll post some more cut and pastes from my files on that incident.

Maxx

[Maxx2]

When going through my e-mail files and getting all of this it struck me on what allot of effort I went through just to write to one lady. Also what allot of work Richard did for me. This guy and his interpreter and even his wife watches your back. I can speak from experience that it is vitally necessary to deal with honest people over there.

To KenC, you mention that some of us "over react". You had a cake walk with LTP. You have no personal experience with dishonest agencies. You should temper your observation about us that have. Please do not bite my head off on this. I'm just trying to do some good here.

Dan, you need re-examine your stand with certain people.



From: Richard
Monday, January 31, 2005 12:28 PM
Subject: Re: Staying steady

Hi Maxx...
We have your last 2 letters translated & I will deliver them tomorrow before I come to work. Anyway I have some other news/information that you may be interested in, or not. Good or bad will be for you to decide. I know it is good for my agency & bad for Tver Romance. My  interpreter called me when she was interpreting your letters as she thought we may be in some sort of trouble over it, but I explained that we arn't but I think TR stepped in it big time. You mentioned to Svetlana that you received 2 letters from her & we called her to find out why she wrote you through TR when you were with us & just wanted to clarify the situation. The result was, 'She did not write the letter you got from TR'. She was emphatic about the fact that she did not write you a letter through TR. So my question is if she didn't write it, who did? I told her not to say anything to TR at this time as I want to see how far they are willing to take this. It is obvious to me that they are running the same type of operation as BH. What possesses these people to have to cheat all the time? I am truly upset about this as I was really hoping Natasha was running a legit operation & now I find out otherwise.
Richard



From: Richard
Tuesday, February 01, 2005 12:32 PM
Subject: Re: Contacting Sveta

Hi Maxx...
We already printed up all the stuff you sent me in the beginnig when you asked us to step up to the plate. She has copies of all the letters you sent me , even the ones she wrote to you, gratis. The only one she doesn't have is this latest one from TR that she didn't write. I can have it translated for her to read if you wish. Let me know. My thoughts are about the same. They are using the same tactics as other agencies do, keep you interested so you'll spend more money with them. What I find hard to figure is what if you are no longer truly interested in Svetlana (because they don't really know) & you come over & meet her & she goes off on you because she hasn't written, Hypothetical but feasable. Just seems to me that they pushed the envelope, are hurtin' for clients (this I do know) & are afraid they are losing another one & are ready to lie & cheat to keep the flow of green. No matter how you look at it, it's dishonest & I really can't wait to go public so I can jump on these people.

I figure what you should do for the time being is nothing. Don't write through them or anything & lets just see what lengths they will go to, to try & keep your money flowing. Then, when I do go public on RWG & launch my website, you can testify that you have  been going through my agency for this period of time & writing your lady through me but that TR has been sending you letters that your lady has not been writing &  that they are just as crooked as BH. That way I get good PR & they get dogged which is exactly what they deserve. Your choice but I'd rather you not send a "Dear Jane" through them for her as that will put a stop to their plans.
Richard


From: Richard
Sunday, February 06, 2005 8:49 PM
Subject: Re: for translation costs

Last but not least, that last letter from TR that we are translating is deffinetly not from her. My interpreter/translator who as translated literally thousands of letters & conversations between couples phoned me as soon as she read it to tell me there is no way Svetlana wrote it. She said there are too many cliche's for one thing & when she translated it to Russian, there are parts that don't even make sense. She told me that no way did Svetlana write that letter. She has only translated afew letters between you two but she is good & can pick up on your style quite quickly & she said as soon as she read it she knew Svetlana did not write it & Svetlana says the same.
Richard


From: Richard     
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 22:12:13 +0300,
wrote:

Hi Maxx... I called my Terp right after I wrote this & she called Svetlana only to find out that the # is blocked. Very strange, as it was working fine on Monday (yesterday) when I delivered the flowers & stuff. Now wether it is just blocked to us or not I don't know. I am wondering if she was foolish enough to say something to TR and they told her she couldn't go through us, which of course is a load of crap. I will get my wife to call using her cell & see if her phone is off  because she is out of credits or if she blocked my Terps phone intentionaly. Very strange, even my Terp thinks it is wierd as hell. If her phone is out of credits, no biggy but if she just blocked us, then I know TR got to her. I'll find out, even if I have to make a special trip to her flat to find out. I am a little miffed that she wants you to call her through TR though as our rates are half what theirs are. I think you should perhaps ignore that part. Maybe put it right in TR's face & write her through them & tell her that you are a little upset that she is not using Richard as agreed. That you made those arrangements specifically because you know me & trust me & that is how you want it done. You know longer wish to use TR as your representatives, period. Don't use our company name, just refer to me as your friend Richard, somebody you trust without question. I'm thinking that maybe TR asked her why she hadn't written & she told
them she had, through us & TR told her she couldn't do that or domething stupid. Which is bull because she has the right to sign up with as many agencies as she wants. Send the letter to me first so I can look it over before you send it to them. I am gettin' real tired of hiding in the bush but until I get internet at home, I have no choice.
Later
Richard

From: Maxx
Tuesday, February 15, 2005 1:11 PM
Subject: What is going on?

Hello Richard:
I got a message from Svetlana thanking me for the flowers on "Valentines Day" . Why would Svetlana thank me for flowers you sent using TverRomance to send the thank you?? All very strange don't you think?



From: Richard
Tuesday, February 15, 2005 5:30 PM
Subject: Re: Also

What I do think at this point is that they are trying to control the situation. They found out, through the board RWG or from Svetlana that you are going through me & now they have called in damage control. They have probably told her that she is not permited to go through another agency or that you are their client & you cannot go through another agency, which is all bullshit but most of these women would believe it. Yhat is one hing that has been held over from soviet times, the fear of authority, wether it be a buisness or the government, people here are afraid to stand up for themselves. This is  a useful tool for many agencies & they wield it with pleasure. All I can suggest is that when you talk to her(I'm not saying the  interpreter won't lie to her, as she does work for TR)that you make it known that you are not happy
Richard


From: Maxx
Thursday, February 17, 2005 9:18 AM
Subject: I pulled the plug on TverRomance

Hello Richard:

I had a cordial but firm conversation with Natasha. I told her about the false letter sent on the same day as Svetlana's letter from you. How the details were wrong. Her employment not being mentioned as changed and so. I told her to tell Svetlana that I want you to handle all of our communications from here on in.

I told her I did not want to go public with this information (as in a big loud thread and having them blacklisted on a scam site (I did not say these specifics to Natasha))

I told her I wanted her to pull my profile off their site and that I would have no more further communication through them.

I told her to tell Svetlana if your number is blocked to unblock it.

I told her to not give Svetlana any problems from here on in.

I also said I have had extreme problems with marriage agencies in the past. I told her that one agency was taken offline for a month by their American partner because of me and another agency sold me for my United States Citizenship to my ex-Russian wife. So I consider a bogus letter a relatively small thing in comparison. However I do not want to do any more business with them.

I was very firm. I did not lose my temper. My voice had an edge to it.

Natasha said "Yes" "OK" "That is not a problem" (In letting her communicate through you) and that she will look into the letter of late January. She asked me what date the letter was. I said "I have gotten only 3 letters from Svetlana and the third one was false. It was not her". She seemed nervous and not wanting to make an issue with anything.

Anyway Richard it is over for them and us.

BTW I made a recording of the whole conversation and the tape recording is of excellent quality.

Also I had a rather nice 30 minute conversation with Svetlana before all of this. She sure sounds like a doll. I like her voice. It has that quality were she lifts the ends of her sentence up. Very attractive!   

As I am writing this they are probably in heavy and distressed conversation with Svetlana now. It will be interesting how this all turns out.

Also Richard I do not want to make this public as it could cause problems in this relationship. We should figure out what we can say and what we cannot say.

I want you and your interpreter (I should get her name. Hello there!) to pay a visit to Svetlana and have a heart to heart conversation with her. Then please both you and your interpreter give me a rundown of your conversation with Svetlana. I want a letter from you interpreter as well. I need details OK?
Maxx

From: Richard
Sunday, February 20, 2005 4:16 PM
Subject: Re: Marching orders

We did discover that her & Natasha are fairly good friends & that  was  the reason she signed with TR. The hint here Buddy, is be damn careful what you post on RWG because I know Natasha is a lurker on the board. So far, from what we could gather she hasn't dished you at but that could change depending on your posts from here on in. Natasha is apperantly okay with my handling things according to Svetlana. However, Anya did tell me when we left that she got the feeling there was more to the TR deal than Svetlana told us. She couldn't get her to elaborate so I have no idea what it was & niether does Anya. Like I said, it was just her gut feeling. I don't expect it will hinder us at all but we will keep our ears & eyes open. We have changed the way we were doing things somewhat to bring Anya  &  Svetlana a little closer together & just maybe Svetlana will accept the friendship & open up a little more. From now on Svetlana will call Anya, or Vice Versa if she has a letter from you & she will pick up & deliver them, giving them a little closer contact. I am going to stay  in the background & not figure in so prominently with hopes that they will get closer & Anya will learn more.
Richard

From: Anya
Saturday, February 26, 2005 4:39 AM
Subject: important details on visit to Svetlana

after a 10-minute-talk she decided to tell us that Natasha Deeva, the owner of this agency, is a good friend of hers, that's why she goes there very often and they know much about her and could have written that letter. (the false one)
Anya

(Richard's interpreter)

[mike15]

Hey Darth

I am not sure what you are referring to, but I used TverRomance to contact over 15 woman over 2 years.  Traveled to their office twice, and at not one sec did I think that they did anything wrong.  I never received a phony letter and all the girls I met were real (no one was a blow up doll).

Maybe this service is not for you, if you have a problem with Natasha, be a man and take it up with her.

Maxx

I really doubt that TverRomance wrote phony letter to you to get money out of your pocket.  Sounds like there is more to the story and we are only hearing your side.

And Finally,
I don't think this is a place for a business to slam their competition.

Just my opinion.

[Admin]

And Finally,
I don't think this is a place for a business to slam their competition.

Just my opinion.

It is my opinion as well.

- Dan

[Admin]

Dan, you need re-examine your stand with certain people.

You may be right - but since I am not personally-absorbed with this issue - maybe you could be so kind as to; (a) tell me what my "stand" is, and with whom, and then (b) tell me what you think my "stand" should be.

- Dan

[Maxx2]

Your stand is getting new membership. Just like it was with Spencer with his debate with jb. Your stand should be in opposing crooked individuals not welcoming them into you board like you did with Natasha Deever. If you read my above post with any sort of comprehension you would see that she should be banned from this place. But you have your own agenda or .... maybe and I will give you this break, you have a been indoctrinated with all your cheer blossum self help books. IMO you need to throw the money changers out of your temple. Am I making myself clear enough for you?

Maxx

[Maxx2]

Maxx

I really doubt that TverRomance wrote phony letter to you to get money out of your pocket.  Sounds like there is more to the story and we are only hearing your side.

Mike, have Dan explain to you what Jesus meant when he said:
"None are so blind as those who will not see"

Maxx
 

[Admin]

Your stand is getting new membership. Just like it was with Spencer with his debate with jb. Your stand should be in opposing crooked individuals not welcoming them into you board like you did with Natasha Deever. If you read my above post with any sort of comprehension you would see that she should be banned from this place. But you have your own agenda or .... maybe and I will give you this break, you have a been indoctrinated with all your cheer blossum self help books. IMO you need to throw the money changers out of your temple. Am I making myself clear enough for you?

Maxx

Maxx,

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

You also presume "facts not in evidence" and conclude that I should act on things which are not known to me. Pretty damn arrogant Maxx - and not what I have grown to expect from you.

I do not know Natasha Deever, and have no basis except for the second-hand or third-hand rhetoric of people who may, or may not, have a vested interest in sullying her or her business interests. I make no judgment of her, or her business practices.

As for my "cheer blossum self help books" - that is in interesting comment. Do you purport to know my reading list now?!?

- Dan

[Maxx2]

Dan, you need to read the e-mail exchange between me, Richard and his interpreter Anya and use your brain. You so much want to give these people a TR a break that you shut your mind off to what goes on there. Then giving GregK grief because he first posts were not positive? He'd been scammed and wanted to contribute this. You really need to take stock of your self and get some principals. If you don't your going to be perceived a weak or worse conniving. 


Maxx

[BC]

Just skimming a bit over this one but it reminds me a bit about the used car lot..

One guy bought a lemon another a strawberry.

A third guy looks on and asks the first two "Do you think the salesman intentionally breaks cars they want to sell?"

Both agree probably not.

In the end the final choice is always up to the customer.