TverRomance

[jinx13]

 Natasha's Tver Romance is looking better and better    She is smart to stay out of this crap.

 Marc, are you dislexic? Just curious

[Marc Dayton]

P.S. it was over 200K lost

Richard how many times must I ask you 14K what happend to the money and all your partners????

P.S. If I could I would fire myslef

[Marc Dayton]

Jim yes and to old to care

NYM 6 LA 4 what a game

[Vaughn]

Jinx, come on now, spelling doesn't count. We all know
Mondana caused quite a stir with her recent gig in Moscow....

You guys ever hear of the No Holds Barred section?   

[Marc Dayton]

My bad richard 202 k I lost

[acrzybear]

  So here I am in Texas bored and reading this on going thread and I've learned a couple of things, but not the two question that were originally posted to the agency owner.

  I've learned that Marc can't be a very good businessman for losing $202,000.00 (at his own last count) and yet he won't accept any walk in's that come from Richard  "I will not except any man that you send us"

  So if I was in Tver and I had no luck a Richards agency and I walked over to Marcs and he found out where I came from he would refuse me service?  No wonder you lost $$$. 

  I'm all about defending yourself, but I'm going to deal with the person one on one, not air my dirty laundry in front of everyone (none of their business).

Dan    I would vote to lock this thread except for Natasha (I think thats her name) if she chooses to reply to the original two question posted.

[mike15]

Hey JB

Congrads you have been to Russia more than most of us...I take back the keyboard romeo comment....It is just that all you and your buddies sound so silly when you attack Natasha.

You called me a fool, because I defended a business owner under attack by all your forum buddies. 

Just wondering do you insult people to their face or just when you are a safe distance away?

[catzenmouse]

Hey JB

Congrads you have been to Russia more than most of us...I take back the keyboard romeo comment....It is just that all you and your buddies sound so silly when you attack Natasha.

You called me a fool, because I defended a business owner under attack by all your forum buddies. 

Just wondering do you insult people to their face or just when you are a safe distance away?

If you had spent any time reading through the site you would already have all the answers to these questions. Natasha is not "under attack by jb and his buddies". She HAS been asked some very specific questions which she has not answered. She has made some very nice posts, and for whatever reason known only to her, avoided those questions completely.

jb (as do many of the more knowledgable members here) do not need to or feel the need to candy coat their posts. A direct and to the point response is what you will get. If it is green and everyone is saying it is blue with a hint of green you can count on jb to tell you it is green and to get over the issues involved with the varying shades of green and how green can look blue in a certain light, etc.

Ken

[Marc Dayton]

acrzybear

You don't know the whole story about Ivanovo so I will be nice.

The 2 K Richard burnt Dennis for it was the worst part. By the way Richard to many men and RW saw you and you drunkin blow outs hell I even have it on Video from the Dream Bride contest when you tride to take Natasha to bed.

Thats wright Mr Richard over all the years I have taken all that I am going to take from you. Get off your white horse you are a wast you have run off all your new partners, and from what I am told all your best interputers too. Whats left with the new agency is an ex wife who over 60 days ago clean out her Husbains bank account and I am sheer once her moneys gone you will find a new sucker to Con

I don't give a dam how bad I look becuse you are a fake and if I run all away from Tver to show them who and what you are then so be it.

To all I am sorry about all this post. The truth is something easy to twist by a word smith.

[ConnerVT]

Just wondering do you insult people to their face or just when you are a safe distance away?

Of course, if you reread your own words, a similar question could also be asked of you, couldn't it?  This comment is both insulting and inflammatory.  As several of your posts in this thread alone.

A higher road you could have taken would have been to state (once) your success and pleasure with doing business with LTP and TR, and left it at that.  But then, I'm unsure if there are any roads left that down spiral down into an abyss in this thread.

(A suggestion: Before taking shots at me next, you should know whom you are shooting at, and what they know about the subject under discussion.  Less time is spent extracting your feet from your mouth that way.)

[Marc Dayton]

ConnerVT 
 
Hi if you talking to me, how could I forget you. By the way I am taking much heat, but have had one to many phone call asking me to say something about all of this

[ConnerVT]

No Marc.  The quote was from, and my comment was to, Mike15.  You just posted while I was writing.

[Admin]

Wow!

Take a few hours away from the board to do some REAL (a/k/a remunerative) work - and the board erupts in a conflagration.

Has everyone gotten that out of their systems??

- Dan

[Marc Dayton]

Dan,

If you want me to stop I will. But to deal with a pig you must get in the mud and be a pig too!

[jb]

Mike15,

Just wondering do you insult people to their face or just when you are a safe distance away?

If you are in the neighborhood I'll happily come over and again explain your foolishness to your face.   You are not making a lot of sense with your position on Tver MOB agencies.  These people are in business to make money, pure and simple.  Yes, they will smile and be nice to your face as they take your money, (without speaking Russian don't you ever wonder what they are saying behind your back?).  But the botton line is; they don't really want to you to find a special woman.   

Because that means the money stops coming in~!  

You are placing entirely too much trust in someone else to find you a mate, get it through your head, that's your job.     

[Admin]

Dan,

If you want me to stop I will. But to deal with a pig you must get in the mud and be a pig too!

Marc,

I know how it is to get 'caught-up' in an emotional war on the boards - but I tell you and Richard the same thing - and that is, you are harming yourselves more than you even know.

For the past couple of weeks, I have been revving-up the board, and we are hitting unprecedented levels of traffic and new members. Guests outnumber members by several factors - and you guys are making something of a spectacle of yourselves. I think it will have a deleterious affect on your businesses, which is, I believe, counter to your objectives and your bigger interests.

If it makes you feel good to air your dirty laundry in public - well, you guys have certainly managed to accomplish that. AND - neither one of you, IMO, is any closer to presenting a compelling, convincing argument than you were before all this erupted.

Just my take on things - FWIW.

- Dan

[catzenmouse]

As an add on to Dan's post. The agency in question has done an excellent job of deflecting the questions and staying squeaky clean through all of this. Who's really laughing all the way to the bank here?

JMHO,
 Ken

[Marc Dayton]

Jb if this was about money I would keep my two cents out of it!!

Dan I understand I am just sick of paying the price for saying nothing sample look at Maxx nice man, but I Pay the price. One more sample Bruno was riped off by an agency who paid the price I did!

So the way I see it is I pay the price one way or the other, and what all of you don't see is all of this posting is only a small part of what is going on. Many behind the boards e-mails that are the other part of this story pepole are being asked to try and destroy Natasha I am sorry what you all don't know Richard is begging others to help him post about her.

He is not what you all think he is.

This is my last post about all of this, I will leave you with these words not all on this board are good pepole, and for all the newbes Tver is a nice place, be safe and if that means staying out of Tver then Run like forrest gump

To all I am sorry but it had to be told!

[Jet]

To all I am sorry but it had to be told!

Does anyone else get the impression that for all the BS that's been slung over the past 5 or 6 pages that really NOTHING has actually been told?  ???

 Mark's nearly incomprehensible ramblings don't even paint us an abstract let alone a picture. He'd like everyone to believe that Richard is a drunken bumbling con-artist, but his own posts make a far more compelling argument that HE is all that he accuses Richard of

Sorry bud, but whatever the heII you thought it was you told us, fell way short of convincing evidence. While it may make sense to you, it sounds the the blatherings of an old homeless woman arguing with an air-conditioner on the side of the road, to the rest of us  :noidea:. If you have irrefutable evidence of someone doing something illegal or unethical, state your point and back it up with substantial supporting facts, otherwise PLEASE shut the f**k up about it!

[jb]

Jet,

Amen brother.

I especially liked the part where Marc said he fired the office girls to protect his own job.  That showed real management skills and leadership.

[mike15]

ConnerVt
?????? Not sure what you are talking about,never made a comment to you, maybe you should mind your own business.

JB
For the record, I haven't spent a dime with TverRomance in over a year.  Funny, Natasha has still been nice to me.  One of the reason why I continue to post nice things about Marc and Natasha is because of the way they have treated both my girlfriend and I.  It is not about the money with these guys.  They care more about the couples they are dealing with.  Both companies have gone out of their for both of us.  That is what burns me is guys like you make comments based on nothing but your opinion.  Then you have the nerve to insult someone.

Hey I would love for you to insult me to my face, but I am sure it is easier you to throw out stupid comments on a board.  BTW I will be in TVER the last week in November.

[Marc Dayton]

O.K. I am an oakey and you are nothing but red necks who will see the truth one day. You all deserve each other!

good buy

[CaptB]

jb,

Experience breeds real knowledge. This is where we butt heads. If you have issues with Marc (Dayton)..........yup he can be his own worst enemy airing dirty laundry on a public forum........that is your business. Certain personalities will always clash. Regardless of Marc's personal feelings about his competition......it is never good form to trash your competition. It will never "elevate" in the eyes of your (potential) clients. If your competition "is" unethical.....regarding his/her business practices.....people will eventually figure it out.......without your (Marc's) help. If I could convince Marc to keep such things to himself.....I would. But that would be like my convincing jb.......to add a little "honey"..........to his piss.

Having actually dealt with Marc.....I think I know him a little better. To say that everyone involved in this business is only in it for the money....is true......to a certain extent. Its a business. Businesses (hopefully) make money. Where I take exception.......is the statement that "nobody" cares whether you find a woman or not. You and I have had many discussions over the years about what would constitute a "good" agency. I really felt, in Tver, there were many folks at LTP who really did "care" about me......and my success. Were there folks associated with the business......who could care less ............and spoke behind my back (in Russian).....yes. When you make the statement that "nobody" cares.....if you are not successfull.....you will just keep coming back....and spend more money.......just does not make good business sense (speaking as a business owner with 25 years experience). Anyone with a business knows....pleased customers are the best advertisement.........money "can't" buy. If I were sucessfull (matched).....and had friends, aquaintences, relatives who were interested........they would get a "refferal" from me. Yes you could be the type of business that "milks" every dime from each customer.......but without significant success (matches, in this case).......that well would eventually run dry. I know of at least one agency owner who actually "loves" his business.....and really cares about his employees......and his clients success.....and it shows. In our many discussions on the topic.....I even toyed with the idea of starting an agency myself. I've helped more than a few guys find matches......and even convinced one guy......he had already found his match.....but had'nt quite figured it out  

The process is so interesting to me......I think I would "love" the work.......dealing with customers......one on one. A forum like this board interesting.......back when the RWG was young. The majority of the folks posting cared more about "what" to do to be successful in this process. You were intimately aware of each posters "agenda".
Those that were wasting everyone's time......eventually got bored......and left. Now the boards are full of wannabees, potstirers, trolls......... If I were Dan.......I would'nt let threads turn into flame fests..............like this one.

Although I met Natasha in Tver.....and my impression was possitive.........I think the original topic was whether or not "Natasha's agency" falsified letter to a client (Maxx).
If the other two agency owners want to continue with their shenanigans......she will be the real winner in this soap opera.......even if guilty. But of course all of the focus is now "off" the main principal in this controversy.........Tver Romance........and the issue of letters to a client.

Capt B

[CaptB]

As others have said.......what a waste of thread space. There is a client who thinks he was wronged. If what he says happened.....did indeed happen......then it should be addressed by the agency......if the client at least has some "evidence" to support his claim. No one seems to care about addressing the original issue.....on the original thread. If Maxx has carefully considered....that he was indeed wronged.....as long as he is aware of "all" the variables in the letter writing process......I would state it on a new thread. If I were Dan......I would delete any posts "not" relevant to the original issue..............period. Spencer (RWG)......would never allow a 24 plus page flamefest.
If the agency in question fails to at least explain what may have happened......and choose to ingnore a problem with a client........I would have a huge problem in doing business with such an agency. It may have been a simple misunderstanding. This thread is going nowhere as is.

Dan do you always allow such BS. Entertainment value maybe.....but not very relevant to a serious question......about agency ethics.

Capt B

P.S. I'd like a nice cigar and a cognac with my (potstirer) buddy jb on the porch.....and watch our wifes flittin-about.............this thread just gave me a headache..........

[TwoBitBandit]

I vote that Natasha is the winner of this thread.

She's slyly avoided giving a meaningful response to any question, yet somehow she's stayed out of the pissing match.  Now, the posters have gotten so ticked at one another that there is talk of locking the thread down without Natasha ever had to answer:

1.  Did you or did you not steal LTP's database?
2.  Did you or did you not falsify the letters to Maxx?