RWD is a scam site

[SANDRO43]

Didn't Shakespear write a play by the same name? "Much ado about nothing"?

He also wrote :

The Tempest

Some scholars have suggested that, because The Tempest contains so much fantasy...

ShakespearE's works can be quoted for anything and its opposite .

[Stirlitz]

Ok, back to the topic....If Dan knows who sent the spam, shouldn't that person be banned from RWD?

Somehow I feel that this person will never be named let alone banned.

There was a lot of talk about ‘individuals’ who don’t like Jim and set up the web site but for some reason we do not know who they are, we only have to guess. If they are fighting for the right case, why do they remain anonymous?

[Bruno]

I did check and no, it isn't now. Temporarily sent off the field/pool, as in water-polo foul penalties ?

And now, it is again online... normally, asmallorange host was more for a suspend the account... around midnight yesterday, i have propose them a other solution, no accepted ( maybe too much complex )... so, i have explain to the host that the problem was the spam, not the site... that only one member of RWD have give partial header from the spam... and one e-mail only is not more spam...

I think that the owner will be more carefull in the future but same this, i am not sure... i am not the owner/webmaster/administrator of RWD, i was not victim of the spam, i have little evidence receive from only one member... so, i think that the suspend of a site is not needed...

I have act because several people have complain about it here... but none of these guys are ready to take action or participate... next time that your receive spam, don't post complain here, simply remember your inaction when it was the right time...

Stirlitz wrote :

There was a lot of talk about ‘individuals’ who don’t like Jim and set up the web site but for some reason we do not know who they are, we only have to guess. If they are fighting for the right case, why do they remain anonymous?

Who remain anonymous... Dan have already explain that he have give some advice for the build of the site, he have be honest about it... maybe i was involved indirectly too, by some research... But you mix two thing... the site with more individuals and one a$$hole who have make spam... By example, i have the loggin and password of Richard FTP... like several people who help him... if one day, one individual use this for make a bad action, is Richard fully responsible ? I don't think... He will only guilty to have trust someone and suffert a betrayal...

Situation is not so simple... not all is black and white... one have ruin the work of several, these one is guilty, not the other...

In any case, host is in US... and spam is not illegal in US, one time mailing is allowed with some condition :

In the United States spam is legally permissible according to the CAN-SPAM Act of 2003, provided it follows certain criteria: a truthful subject line; no false information in the technical headers or sender address; "conspicuous" display of the postal address of the sender; and other minor requirements. If the spam fails to comply with any of these requirements, then it is a crime. Aggravated or accelerated penalties apply if the spammer harvested the email addresses using methods described earlier.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Can_Spam_Act_of_2003

by example, in these case, the "opt out" option in the e-mail (i.e., decline future e-mail from the same source) make it legal in US... Article 13 of the European Union Directive on Privacy and Electronic Communications (2002/58/EC) is more restritive but is only apply on host located in Europe...

EDIT :
These post reply to one question send me yesterday via PM :

Out of curiousity, what makes you convinced there WAS a spam mailing?

For a European, it is spam... for  a American, it is not a spam... different laws !!!

[Stirlitz]

the site with more individuals and one a$$hole who have make spam...

I think I missed something. So, who is behind the mass mailing? Who is the a$$hole?

[BC]

I think I missed something. So, who is behind the mass mailing? Who is the a$$hole?

LOL.. whatever, whomever.. at this point who even knows if it was a mass mailing?  A few got it, others here and there did not.. maybe a 'selected' mailing to some visible email addresses from one board or the other which anyone can copy and paste? 

I'm kinda surprised at myself for even posting this as it clearly belongs in the 'things to do while procrastinating' category 

Looking at the only poster on the site forum it's pretty clear who has the direct interest in participating so what else needs to be clarified? duh...

I kinda understand Bruno's curiosity killed the cat and technical puzzle solving interests but curiously wonder what's behind Stirlitz's interest..  one email worth all this effort? 

Clearly all this discussion about naught only serves to raise googleability.. or is it googability?.. hey now that's a good question to resolve!

Row row row your boat....

[Bruno]

I think I missed something. So, who is behind the mass mailing? Who is the a$$hole?

Not a mass mailing but spam ( when see it from European law )... for mass mailing, go to http://www.initrobemarketing.com/ ... 1 BILLION EMAIL ADDRESSES LIST WORLDWIDE - ON SALE - $499.95...

Who is the a$$hole ? I don't know and same if i was knowing it, i will never publish it on a open forum... the host have take some action, the a$$hole will certainly not repeat the same behaviour... so, i am happy, i don't need anymore...

BC wrote :

I kinda understand Bruno's curiosity killed the cat and technical puzzle solving interests

Not really... the day before the mailing, i was exhange PM with someone about the best method for inform the forum about these site... i have advice that a post will be the best solution but that it was not the right moment for it... the topic related to Jim saying that RWD was a scam site was almost dead... the link was more interesting to use for counter-attack if a new Jim attack was coming...

Now, one of the guys working on the site was without patience and use bad practice for promote it... this have p!ss me off... and someone other have put more oil on the fire by being aggressif, insulting, etc...

Now, about other poster... Jinx and Stirlitz by example, have already history with Jack... this have certainly motivated them... like it will have motivate Jack is the situation was reverse...

A problem have appear here... we cannot change the past... but i think that it will never happen again with the same a$$hole... now, in some way, he is in a "grey list" by his provider... no new mistake allowed...

No one is perfect, mistake happen... making mistake is not a problem is you learn of it... in these case, what is the interest to know "who" is guilty ? Of maybe some have a desire for reveange ? Reveange will lower yourself to the level of these a$$hole... not really a good move...

We are not the internet police... i have inform these who have these function and action was taken... the rest is not our problem !

[Bruce]

You know Bruno - I have a new career for you.  Its one I know you are ready for..........internet policeman.  We just have to get it legislated.  You already are this boards honorary member of "Scotland Yard." 

[Mir]

I thought he lives in Belgium, so it must be; The Belgian Yard!

[Turboguy]

I also got the spam mail that has created all the furor.  It came into my junk box.  I really did not think that much of it.   I get 40 or 50 pieces of spam mail some days so one more or less is not a big deal.

I think the person who wrote that used a very poor choice of verbage  to try to promote his site.  The mailing was too low classed, filled with too much hate and written so it would only appeal to the dregs of this endevor.

I have to think that had the spam letter read something like.  "Hey guys, we are trying to make the internet a better place and to help those in search of a RW.   Many of us feel Jim has harmed a lot of people with bias and misinformation and we have created a site to try and undo that harm and to help those who really dream of finding a good wife.  We could really use your support and invite you to check out or site and to give us comments of ways to make it better."

My guess is had the spam letter read something like that this thread would not exist and if there were comments they would mostly have been favorable even with the spam letter.  Anyone think I am right?

[Son of Clyde]

Turbo, I agree. It was a hate letter which also had a link to the site. What bothered me is that a few weeks ago I received a PM much like this letter making crazy accusations about two of the members of RWD. When I saw the email I knew instantly I had never authorized any membership to the site in question. Someone was taking liberties with my email address. There is a difference between the unsolicited spam advertising medical pills, viagra and penis enlargement (it's funny my mother also receives these mailings) from an unknown source and receiveing email from someone at RWD who chooses to remain anonymous.

[Stirlitz]

There is a difference between the unsolicited spam advertising medical pills, viagra and penis enlargement (it's funny my mother also receives these mailings) from an unknown source and receiveing email from someone at RWD who chooses to remain anonymous.

And this someone still is anonymous.

You may think I am a scandalmonger but it is not just an ordinary piece of spam that made me start the investigation. It is that they claim Jim is dishonest, but use dishonest methods to fight him — and don’t reveal who they are.

[catzenmouse]

To take a 90 degree look at this incident (and no I did not get the mail in question) perhaps it was not the person who created the site that sent the mail. Perhaps it was just someone wanting to stir up something so they could join in on the indignation (or flame it on) when it came up.

Conspiracy Theorists Take It Away...

[Bruno]

perhaps it was not the person who created the site that sent the mail.

Yesterday 20:53:10

Bruno,

Can you send the full email that was received, including the headers?

-Tim Dorr
Owner/Manager
A Small Orange Software

Ticket Details
===================
Ticket ID: WRV-173166
Department: Information
Priority: Medium
Status: On Hold

Yesterday 22:23:51

Bruno,

Thanks for bringing this to our attention. I've suspended the site sending the messages now.

-Tim Dorr
Owner/Manager
A Small Orange Software

Ticket Details
===================
Ticket ID: WRV-173166
Department: Information
Priority: Medium
Status: Closed

And the site suspended was these anti-jim site... i have contact then again and explain that suspend the site was maybe a strong reaction for a first mistake, and ... bla bla bla... today morning, the site was again on.

Perhaps it was just someone wanting to stir up something so they could join in on the indignation (or flame it on) when it came up.

These hypothese is not possible in regard of what i have post up. It is asmalorange who have find that the owner of the site was responsible of the mailing.

[catzenmouse]

Well Bruno, since no one else is privy to your inside information what else can people do but play guessing games?

In the end I really agree with the poster who said "much ado about nothing" as a single spam message causing such a furor is way beyond any reasonably reaction. Just to read the threads dedicated to this takes more time than it would to delete several hundred spam messages. But, what ever makes you all happy is fine.

[Stirlitz]

catzenmouse,

You and others are missing my point. It is not just a single spam message that is in question; it is the integrity of those who claim to be justice fighters and antiscammers.

[Admin]

catzenmouse,

You and others are missing my point. It is not just a single spam message that is in question; it is the integrity of those who claim to be justice fighters and antiscammers.

Igor,

No-one is "missing your point" - it is that "your point" is incredibly narrow and myopic.

What has been discovered in this witchhunt of yours is that a few people, including yourself, received a single spam email. However, we have also learned that a large number of people did not receive it.

You make accusations of "integrity" with only the smallest shred of 'evidence' - and then doggedly pursue it even in the face of objective data which has DISproved your hypothesis.

It is time for you to 'let it go.' You can continue your witchhunt elsewhere, but it has been asked-and-answered repeatedly here - and you are not going to get the answers you seek. The mere fact that you pose your questions HERE at this point, rather than at the JLS site, in itself, is an allegation.

If you REALLY want to become embroiled in this issue - why don't you post your inquiries over at that other site?

- Dan

[catzenmouse]

Damn your fast Dan~ 

 I just finished typing the text below, hit "Post", saw the warning message, and now you've gone and said what I said but more fleshed out and to the point. Even used my "witch hunt" analogy. Where are the cameras...

 Stole the rug right out from under me...
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Stirlitz,

 Your point was not missed. The fervor involved in making it and the ensuing witch hunt is what has taken this over the top. And yes, you did have a bit of a hissy fit about getting a spam message in the first place with innuendo relating to the integrity of the owner/management of this board.

[Bruno]

Well Bruno, since no one else is privy to your inside information what else can people do but play guessing games?

I think that i have already give enough information... RWD ( Dan ) is not involved in the spam but partially involved in the help for construct the site... the site itself is not the problem but the spam... spam was send by the owner of the site, not by RWD...

Given more information mean publish PM... who is not something good... mean to give my loggin and password from asmallorange... not good too... nobody is obligate to believe me, some lie Jack can say that i lie but i know what i know... and in these story, i am maybe one of the few who have not some hidden agenda...

[Jooky]

Why all the mystery?

Someone sent out this spam message, and someone reading this knows who did it.

So who did it? Isn't that the question?

[William3rd]

Enough already, guys. . . . .
a lot of folks never even got the message.
It is a funny site and I am glad I got a chance to see it.
Does it really matter where the email came from at this point or is it just a matter of keeping the pot boiling?

[Shadow]

I did a check on my e-mail and found something remarkable.
The e-mail was received on an address that I have not used on any RW forum for 9 months.
This means that whoever harvested it used an outdated source.

[Jack]

some lie Jack can say that i lie but i know what i know...

[Stirlitz]

First of all, those who are not interested in this tread are welcome not to read it.

This means that whoever harvested it used an outdated source.

Yes, the spring securuty leakage.

What has been discovered in this witchhunt of yours is that a few people, including yourself, received a single spam email. However, we have also learned that a large number of people did not receive it.

Excuse me! How did we learn that a large number of people did not receive it? If you hint at the poll I ran at RWG, there are only 16 votes. When there are 500 votes we can draw conclusions. Or do you possess different trustworthy information? Please share. Unless you did the mailing yourself or are an associate of the spammer, I do not think you can say anything for sure.

I am not going to post anything at JLS. I see no reason for even visiting it. What’s the use?

By posting here about this, I am not making allegations against this board. I am accusing JLS of low tactics like spam and try to expose the spammers. Isn’t this board meant for exposing scammers too? Or is it that some can be investigated and exposed here, and some can’t?

And do not call it witchhunt please. Because next time a scammer is exposed here I will call it witchhunt and suggest to let it go. After all it is Scammers and Suspect Agencies, isn’t it?

witch-hunt A witch-hunt is an attempt to find and punish a particular group of people who are being blamed for something, often simply because of their opinions and not because they have actually done anything wrong.

So, by applying this term you want to say that the bold type above is the case?

So who did it? Isn't that the question?

Yes, it is the question. Which Dan claims is not going to be answered — a funny statement. But I am not going to let it go until I get an answer. Who is the spammer?

Does it really matter where the email came from

Yes, it does matter. I already explained why and I will explain again, this time in a different way using an example. It is a matter of trust. Let us assume, for example, that you need advice on certain agencies/individuals. A guy (let us call him Jack, for example) comes up with some information which you cannot verify. For example, he is disparaging someone else. Would you trust Jack if you learned that he was a spammer and liar (claiming in his spam that you opted to receive it)? Of course you would not. But you do not know who is the spammer/liar. It can be a member of this board who is actually giving advice here. So, now you have to think whether you can trust anybody here or not and be suspicious. I think it would be easier to know who is this guy. Especially if he is more than a lurker here. I think I know who it is actually and many people do too, but I do not want to accuse anyone at random.

We have a saying in Russian: the country should know its heroes. (Страна должна знать своих героев!)

[Kuna]

Is all this hoo haa over spam???

I've been away for a few days and have come back to a MASS of email that results from new posts to threads I'm watching and find it hard to believe that there is this much activity over spam.

Let it go... it's not the end of the world.  Stirlitz, it's painful but it's not an integrity test.  It's friggin spam.  No one ever stopped junk mail in your letter box at home and no one will totally wipe out spam!

These boards are about couples interested in International Dating and so much activity over spam just proves to me that some people have nothing better to do with their time.

On a side note...  The weather is lovely in Kiev... the women are beautiful...  the food is good... and life is plodding along pretty damn well.

I'm a little cut that I didn't get the spam... Can someone send it to me please?

[Bruno]

some lie Jack can say that i lie but i know what i know...

Sorry, typo error...

some like Jack can say that i lie, but i know what i know