RW's at 40+

[viking]

Went to this site I used to use awhile back and found these two ladies. I am posting their photos to prove that there are some quality ladies out there, for guys a bit more hmmmmm mature, where you don't need to drop down into the sub 30YO range to find some nice gems. Both of these women are 40.

[CaptB]

After sitting in the LTP office (or a street cafe for that matter) for awhile.......I could never understand why the older guys were passing over the women 35+ y.o. RW's. Some were just stunning! Of the over 35 y.o. set (my primary focus).....I met some amazing women. Beautiful, intelligent, educated............and many had done many interesting things. Real women. If accepting a child is OK......you really have alot of great women to choose from in this age group. Less competion also. Too many of the men are still chasing......."girls". I felt very fortunate to have met so many nice women over age 35. In hindsight several could have been keepers. But all happens for a reason. I ended up with the "best".......eventually.

Capt B

[Bruno]

I could never understand why the older guys were passing over the women 35+ y.o. RW's. Some were just stunning!

The 45+ y.o. are not bad too...


Irina 23/10/61

unfortunaly, they have no interest in a baby of 38 y.o. like me 

[vwrw]

Pity, it is impossible to see these photos without professional processing. So as photos with professional processing cost much more expensive than usual ones the man who made photos for me showed me a lot of examples how much photos differ after professional work. I was impressed!   
No, I do not want to say there are not quality ladies here. I just want to say that quality ladies on photo far not always look similar in reality. And it happens more often if women are 40+

[viking]

VWRW

Quite true. Sometimes when asked for a recent non-professional photo there are great differences. But sometimes not so great either. If these 3 women looked almost as nice, it is still ok.

[CaptB]

VWRW,

You are right about "professional touches" in many of the photos on agency websites. But this is true for all ages of RW........from age 18 and up. The first two photos were definately
professional........the third photo looked pretty natural to my eyes. Although Viking produced "photos" I am talking about woman that I met in person......who were every bit as attractive as women half their age. One of the women I had a relationship with in Tver......always turned heads.....and open eyes......even the 24 y.o. guy who was there at the time. His comment to me............."can I have one of those?"    

Bruno,

You are wrong.......they would be very interested in a young 38 y.o. "Boy Toy".......like you   


Capt B

[Bruno]

Bruno,

You are wrong.......they would be very interested in a young 38 y.o. "Boy Toy".......like you   

Not so sure... by my own experience, a lot of RW from my age or a little over don't accept younger men... in the begin, my seeking age range was +- 5 years around my own age... almost none around my age of over have reply to me... some have think that i have no real interest, they cannot understand/believe that a foreign man can seek a woman of his own age or a little more...

VWRW, you have right, older women are always with more professional processing... and this not only on picture... they are women with experience who know how to make themself in value... they master the art of make-up, choice clothes with style, know how to walk in a sexy way, etc ... Usually, they don't need bikini or lingerie photo's for attract a man like some young girls...

The best example was about the former first minister of Ukraine, Yulia Tymoshenko... 46 year old, and mother... simply take a look at a photo taken the 16/12/2006 ( recent picture ) in the parliament... so no professional processing... not bad for a old lady 



and now, take a look when she was a young girl... right on the photo's

[SANDRO43]

... they are women with experience who know how to make themself in value...

Perhaps exceedingly so . Last Sunday a MOB site notified me that a letter had arrived for me : 
Hello Sandro,
My name is Natasha and I will tell you frankly, that I am not as beautiful in reality, as you may see me at these photos that you have in front of your eyes. And, besides, I do not think that it's the right thing to appreciate only a beautiful appearance in a woman (as well as in a man). And though I feel pleased that once I got the title of Miss Zaporozhye in a beauty contest, I do not consider this to be my only merit. I would like to point out the fact that I have achieved almost everything I have now in my life only because I worked hard and did my best. I have two degrees. I graduated from many versatile courses. I have been obtaining a leading post in a big commercial enterprise for many years and I receive a good income. Unfortunately things that I do due to my work are not my calling. I am a Pisces by horoscope and that's why I consider myself to be a creative personality. I love art in all its manifestations. I am dreaming about having some time to draw, to write verses, to sew and to design. But now all I can do is work from 9a.m. till 6p.m. and to go to volleyball trainings three times a week. It is really great that I can write verses on my way to work. I have visited Cuba, Egypt, France, Check Republic and Russia. I am thinking about visiting Italy and Spain, Thailand. But my bosom dream is to meet a man, with whom I may come to the finishing line of life together. As I am quite a mature woman, it's true. But you know, those pictures that you may see, they were taken not years ago, but on the contrary a few days ago.... Please get in touch with me and let's see what the future holds for us. With hope, Natasha

I thought "Wow, a mature, romantic, sensitive, educated, independent, well-travelled, sportsy stunner ", and hastened to reply, expressing my interest. Her answer:

Hello Sandro ! ... My parents are grown me up with hard-working and diligent, which help me to receive two higher educations: one technical in sphere of electronic technique, at once after ending school and other one economical 3 years ago. And in fact I work in the exactly other sphere, having a post a chief of section foreign-economical activities in one big Zaporozhien firm, which developed import of goods from European countries. Life makes me to work hard, but for this I get good salary, which today is amounted 2 000 USD per month. (For Zaporozhye it is too big) My working life is accounted already 25 years. And I am on chance write you about this because I would like you to understand why my main criteria in man, with the same list of such characteristics as kindness, honesty, optimistic and ability to love, I consider an ability to earn good means. My future husband should receive salary on 5 or 10 times bigger then I do. Taking priorities I would like to tell that it is first condition in my striving for find a worthy man. Now about my private life. I was married two times... In general, I am strong and self-independent woman who stays on her legs very well. But, frankly saying, I always dream to be week and dependent and that someone, finally, care me on his arms... And going ahead and anticipated your reaction on my criteria or requirements I answer at once: a desire of a man to have beautiful wife and not only kind, careful and loving woman, is equivalent to a desire of woman to have a prosperous man... Sincerely, Natalia

Talk about a 47 y.o., former Miss Zaporozhye 1978, having VERY clear ideas about her value .

[KenC]

Capt B,
Just curious here.  When was it that you met the +35 beauties at LTP?  Back in 98 the pickins in that age group was VERY thin in deed (and I looked well).  I met only one lady (37) in that age group.  Women in that group were simply not available through agencies at that time.

VRVW,
Good point on the photography but as mentioned, even some younger women choose to go that route.  There are some agencies that specialize in good photography too.  Mordinson's in Ukraine is one that does a great job presenting their women in a most desirable way with very good photography.  I also think that the recentness of the photos become much more an issue with 40 y.o. women.  Was the photo taken recently? 5 years ago? 10 years ago?
KenC

[viking]

Bruno

Yulia is noted for being a very good looking woman and that has been noted in many papers and magazines. But you bring up an excellent point. As a younger woman she is not as pretty. It took some time for her to evolve into what she is now. Some of the positive things in searching for a woman who is older than say 35 is that she has reached a point where she hopefully knows herself, her style and personality has matured and most likely will not change, her goals may be more firmly established, and many of the life changing events (marriage, divorce, children) are more behind her rather than in front. Less baggage?

[IAmZon]

Very excellent points.

There is a certain allure to youth 25 - 30, but it clearly comes with a cost.  There are certain disadvantages to a woman 30 - 35, baggage.  The world is not a perfect place.  Yet I am sure some thing close to it can be found and earned.

With regard to younger women 25 - 30, I would like to think that I have just gone through the notion of "if I can than I should".     I was surprised - happily surprised, of course - to find that I have entered a new phase of life where many younger ladies found me attractive (as much, if not more than when I was in my 20's ... go figure).  But that does not make it necessary.

I went on a date last weekend with a 27 year old.  I found her very attractive.  She was fluent in 3 languages including my own.  Yet, clearly, I assume a role of guide / teacher / advise giver ... feelings of "caring" and "support" seem to be created - quickly.  It is because the young ladies are like a sponge to such things.  I wonder if this distorts their longer term views and commitments, or perhaps strengthens them? 

As I have stated on another thread, and is becoming a central philosophy of mine ... it is all a choice on the individual.  One thing my recent experiences (and my participation on RWD) has shown me is to keep an incredibly open mind.

Only 4 months ago, I would have thought that a woman above the age of 35 with a child was a no go for me.  Not any longer.

Good topic

[vwrw]

From Bruno: older women are always with more professional processing... and this not only on picture... they are women with experience who know how to make themselves in value...  they master the art of make-up, choice clothes with style, know how to walk in a sexy way, etc ...

Bruno, during my life I had met only 7 such women who were 40+ y.o. in Russia.
Tell me then where from disappointed men appear if older women are ALWAYS with more professional processing... and this not only on picture?

Sandro, I do not believe Natasha’s words.
From Natasha: I am quite a mature woman. I have achieved almost everything I have now in my life only because I worked hard and did my best. I get good salary 2 000 USD per month. (For Zaporozhye it is too big).

If it were so she could understand to achieve something in life and to earn good money person MUST have brains. Also, she could understand people who have achieved everything themselves are self – confident and have high intellect and wisdom they will see she is not one of them at once, exactly after her second letter. People who have achieved everything they do not advertise themselves…they do not need...who they are -  it is obviously for others ones.
If she were mature she could understand men who have money do their best to avoid women with main requirement for her man – money. And it is very silly to tell man that her main criterion in man she considers an ability to earn good means.

[viking]

From Bruno: older women are always with more professional processing... and this not only on picture... they are women with experience who know how to make themselves in value...  they master the art of make-up, choice clothes with style, know how to walk in a sexy way, etc ...

VWRW I assume this is a good thing.

Bruno, during my life I had met only 7 such women who were 40+ y.o. in Russia.
Tell me then where from disappointed men appear if older women are ALWAYS with more professional processing... and this not only on picture?

I do not understand this. /can you try again?

[vwrw]

Bruno, during my life I had met only 7 such women who were 40+ y.o. in Russia.
Tell me then where from disappointed men appear if older women are ALWAYS with more professional processing... and this not only on picture?

I do not understand this. /can you try again?

I meant in Russia most of women (not everyone but most) who are 40+ they do not know how to make themselves in value...  they do not know make-up's art, they do not know how to choose clothes with style and do not know how to walk in a sexy way, etc ... they are with more professional processing only on their photos. Yes, they are with experience. But it seems to me they know only one way to use their experience… it is to tell their experience to men in their endless complaints. 
In Russia I had met only 7 women I looked at and I thought I want to be and look like them when I will be 40+.
Maybe I have too high standards? But then why if I look at women’s profiles who are 40+ in agencies I see a lot of women I want look like them when I will be 40+.
If older women were always with more professional processing than young women and not only on their picture…then there were not so many disappointed men after meeting with them.     
I do not believe all of the men who have younger wives or want to have younger wives than 35 y.o are stupid and they do not understand and cannot see women who are 40+ are better. 

[Turboguy]

I think another factor that goes along with what VWRW has said and may have some relevance is that a lot of the 40 year old women spent a big part of their lives in the time of the USSR when stylish clothes and good make up were not high on the list of a woman's priorities.   I think to some extent people are creatures of habit and a lot of the habits are formed in our youth.

[jb]

vwrw,

Honey, I've seen your picture.  My wife is 50 now and still looks better to me.  What you say may be true of the 40+ ladies of Barnaul, but the same cannot be said for the 40+ y.o. Moscovichkas.  The women of Moscow are both very elegant and stylish.  I have met may 60 y.o. Moscow matrons who would turn heads at the company picnic.

I think another factor that goes along with what VWRW has said and may have some relevance is that a lot of the 40 year old women spent a big part of their lives in the time of the USSR when stylish clothes and good make up were not high on the list of a woman's priorities.   I think to some extent people are creatures of habit and a lot of the habits are formed in our youth.

Once again, possible true for the smaller town and villages, but that certainly doesn't apply for Moscow and Peiter.

[vwrw]

vwrw,

Honey, I've seen your picture.  My wife is 50 now and still looks better to me.  What you say may be true of the 40+ ladies of Barnaul, but the same cannot be said for the 40+ y.o. Moscovichkas.  The women of Moscow are both very elegant and stylish. 

JB,
Honey, I've not seen your wife’s picture. But I've seen pictures of the women who attracted Jack’s attention during his trip into Ukraine. I consider his preferences about women and mine are similar. Also I am sure I am not able to express my thoughts in English as well as he has done for answering you. That is why I want to answer you by his words.
From Jack:
Your opinion as to the degree of beauty in these ladies is only your opinion. All men are different in what they believe are to be beautiful. It's obvious in my opinion that what you perceive as a lady who is a 2 or a 3 is an 8 or a 9 to a LOT of other men.  I have seen a photo of you and your lovely wife and as such I think she is prettier than 75% of the women who are posted here. You will probably disagree and think she is prettier than 90% of these women posted, but that is to be expected from any husband. However jb there are men who will not think like you and I and who would think that 80 or 90% of the women posted are more beautiful than your wife. It's just natural jb. All men have a different perspective of beauty in a woman.

JB, last 4 years I had spent more time out of Barnaul than in. That is why your supposition as well maybe wrong.

[Gator]

VWRW, 7 women?  When you left Barnaul, where did you go:  Ukraine?  Even Ukraine has some elegant women. 

I spent a lot of time in Moscow.  When I go to the theater there I see 70 such women in one evening, not 7 in a lifetime.  And their makeup is done in my taste: classy and elegant, not flashy and pancaked.  And if a young woman is seen with flashy and pancaked makeup, even with expensive clothes, the Moscow women consider her to have moved to Moscow from a village or Ukraine. 

Turbo, I expect you to say such because you have not looked for 40 yo women (or none outside a village or provincial town). Anyone who prefers to dine at McDonald’s is probably not a fashion authority.

Yes, woman did not have money in Soviet days.  Does this mean they did not understand style?  No.  I knew one woman who each year during Soviet days would somehow acquire a pattern book of German styles, find some Soviet cloth (awful, perhaps a flour bag), and cut and sew one or two outfits.  In doing this she probably appreciated fashion more than if she bought off a rack.

[Gator]

When I have time I will round up some personal photos of some fine looking RW/UW over 40 (none with their breasts hanging out).

Are all 40+ women good looking?  No, and in fact I would say the vast majority are letting themselves slide.  Yet, there are some educated and sophisticated 40s women who are fine, very fine.  The problem is that past experiences with AM have left them with a bad taste about us.  Yes, they look down from their noses at most American men and tend to avoid us.

So if you write one, you better catch her eye quickly or she will hit "delete" in a nanosecond.

[jb]

vwrw,

For your general fund of information.




Taken on our wedding day by our own CaptB, with his little Olympus camera, completely natural and un-retouched..  Not too bad for an old 45 y.o. babushka, don't you think?.  She is also quite well educated and sophisticated, she is twice the woman a 27 y.o. could ever hope to be.

You need to eat some words now.

[TexasBoar]

You're a lucky man, JB. But I bet you already know that. 

What a picture of elegance and class she is.

~Boar

[jb]

Yes, Boar, and I thank my lucky stars every day.

[jb]

FWIW, my wife wears very little makeup, mostly a little lipstick/gloss and eyeliner, no pancake what-so-ever.  She has natuarlly flawless skin, and is very photogenic.  In her 20's she would have knocked your socks off.

[jb]

And, yes, she's a natural grey eyed blonde.

[Michelangelo]

Anyone who prefers to dine at McDonald’s is probably not a fashion authority.

Can we stop being so mean spirited here?

Bucky, McDonald's has good food.  I had a Big & Tasty there today.  Freely chose to eat there.  And fashion?  Yes, I was wearing a thousand dollar Italian suit and my shoes cost $300.

Bottom line-- people have different taste in food and women. 

The intelligent thing to do is to live and let live, and NOT knock other peoples choices in food, or women.