Mayan paradise

[DKMM]

I don´t have much time to post much, but I can say going on a trip with a RW opens a whole new world and level of exposure to RW.  It has just begun, but even as friends i am learning LOADS! 

J is even taking the time to help me understand Russian language and customs.  And lo and behold she actually is in a good mood after the initial 2 hours of nervousness worn off.  we´ll see how it goes when i wake her up!!

And what is up with all the showers???

[Kuna]

DKMM,

I hope you have fun on the trip and look forward to learning about your impressions and observations.

If "appropriate" I'm sure we'd all like to see a pic of you two as well!

Kuna

[Turboguy]

And what is up with all the showers???

Don't worry about it.   Lots and lots of showers is good!!!

[IAmZon]

Look forward to heaing the long version ...

Since she is in a good mood, continue with Gator's previous advise: Break out the Tuquilla.  Instead of asking her why whe has a bug up her ass ... ask her about the showers:) 

In any language, in any environment, that is fundamentally an act of relaxation. (btw ... I think she knows it drives you crazy)

[jb]

rivardco,

When a RW is living in a hotel with a man, a shower is not an act of relaxation.

Geesh~!  You are such a newbie.

[IAmZon]

<DKMM - sorry for the off topic remarks >

JB there are times, and they are frequent, that you comments are among the most valuable here at RWD.  So, I respect you and have learned to be VERY patient ...

So, a defined hottie is on a Tropical Island; away from home for the fist time.  She is not travelling with girl friends; but rather with with a guy who she apparently chose (she apparently has many choices).  DKMM says they are having a good time and she is not acting like a spoiled / beautiful / brat ... AND she is taking MANY showers .... I don't think they are going 4 wheeling in the mud ALL the time? 

On the planet that I have lived on, showers are relaxing, they can be sensual, they are very basically suggestive.  Now, having said that ... even Sigmound Freud said that sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. But it is you who is the "old salt" ... what is at work here, JB?  I would like to know what is so obvious that I am missing.

(I am picturing you with a turban on your head, and a pole up your but.  Let's try to pull it and get 2007 of to a good start.)

You favorite Newbie,
Rivardco

[Turboguy]

Rivardco,

A shower means you are going to have sex.  She will want you to take one too.  It is a Russian thing.  A gal says "Do you want to take a shower, just get your tail in there"

[jb]

On the planet that I have lived on, showers are relaxing, they can be sensual, they are very basically suggestive.  Now, having said that ... even Sigmound Freud said that sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. But it is you who is the "old salt" ... what is at work here, JB?  I would like to know what is so obvious that I am missing.

A cigar is just a cigar,,, most of the time.  But a shower can always mean something else,,, especially to a Russian woman.

Thanks, T/G, I grow weary of drawing pictures.

[groovlstk]

I was going to make a crack about the shower thing, also. It's a GOOD sign - after spending the night with enough RW to know the drill, there's nothing like that sense of anticipation when she says "I go shower" and disappears. I always wanted to do backflips in our room while I waited

[Kuna]

HAHAHAHA....

When I read "What's with all the showers" I assumed it was raining outside!!!

Regarding relaxation...  I can see that TAKING a shower wouldn't be for relaxation.  DKMM, maybe she needs a massage?  Loosen those tight shoulders after the long flight.   

Kuna

[DKMM]

ha ha guys, good comments all around.  no she isn´t trying to jump my bones.  she is basically very strange to me.  perhaps this is because of the cultural differences or perhaps because she is strange.

here are some observances.  tell me if they are normal with RW..

she seems to be rude at times, to me she acts like a stuck up spoiled chica.  kind of bossy almost.  othertimes she is very considerate, beyond kind.  i cannot read her mind at all.  she seems to think russians are far superiour to americans.  that´s bad because i am the only american she knows!  she also has never met a foreign man who has written to her.

she always asks what time is it?  i´m talking 20 times or more a day.  and wants to know everything we are doing ahead of time.  i am planning our activities everyday now and she wants to know all the details.  i´m learning how to really take charge

we haven´t done anything at night yet because she is adjusting to the time zone change.  but she wants to party (or so she says) from here on out.  she talks a lot about things she wants to do, but does not do them.  also, i´ve noticed that some of her stories have changed since she told me them months ago.  certain facts kind of change.  fast and loose with the details of truthfullness, which i´m unaccustomed to.

mostly she surprises me constantly with outrageous comments.  the language barrier is the most difficult thing.  she asks me "what?" almost everytime i say something.  i have to talk slow and change my wording like i´m talking to a 4 year old.  i am learning patience with this process and its fun to find wording that she understands.  i am also starting to talk like her, using poor english!!  we spend time at meals just looking around and eating because she won´t understand me.  speaking of, she only gets half my jokes, and only half of those she laughs at.  i´m used to making girls laugh all the time so its a bit different. 

i would suggest getting to know someone well before doing something like this.  i would be satisfied with 2 more days out here with her and get back to business.  but then again, its warm, its never dull, and i feel like i´m becoming a veteran with every move i make with her. 

adios

[jinx13]

DKMM,


 You want to know if some of the observations you have made are normal for a RW? Yes, and no. No woman, Russian or not, can be categorized, but if you want to stereotype, than yes, I have met this type of Russian woman, almost exactly as you described her.

 It was the same with my first Russian girl, she was sometimes rude, sometimes very caring about my safety and health, she was very arrogant, and in love with herself. I had the same problems as far as communicating, she didn't get my jokes either, I was also used to making the girls laugh so this was new, and kind of frustrating. I know exactly what you mean when you say "we spend time at meals just looking around and eating because she won´t understand me."  It's awkward, but you have to just keep trying. The difficult thing is getting her to make an effort, from my experience this type of girl makes very little effort, it's all on you. I can also relate to her saying many things that she wants to do, but it never happens. When I first went over she talked about "going to the nature" eating shaslik, she was going to take me to many places....it never happened. Even though I was in her city, I was expected to make all the plans, at least you're in a neutral place, so it's an even playing field.

 I wouldn't say she's a typical RW, she is a certain type that maybe many of us have had experience with, and I think most guys would tell you it's not worth the time, money and effort to keep trying with her unless she wants it too.

 Try and have fun, be creative, try and use other ways to make her laugh, language isn't everything. Good Luck! 
 

[catzenmouse]

I wouldn't say she's a typical RW, she is a certain type that maybe many of us have had experience with, and I think most guys would tell you it's not worth the time, money and effort to keep trying with her unless she wants it too.

I'd pretty much agree with this and I'd be one of those saying it is probably not going to be worth the effort in the long run but you have to go with your gut here on this one.

[DKMM]

yeah i´m pretty much agreeing with you guys.  she is exactly as jinx described.  im already convinced she would never be worth marrying, so its a make what i can of it situation.  the frustrating thing is i feel like she doesn´t respect me because i´m not planning every detail in advance.  i like to make my plans for the day in the morning, but she wants the whole next week planned out right now.  and she´s starting to get very bossy telling me everything to do.  i´m resisting it, but i don´t want to fight.  i still have 8 days with her!   

if only she would be willing to have any sort of fun at all, but instead she just wants to lay around, sleep and complain.  well soon that will change or i´m just going to start ignoring her.

[jinx13]

DKMM,

 I think the best thing you can do in this situation is to not let her influence your mood, if you play it off like you are going to have a good time no matter what then maybe she will come around, especially if you ignore her, that will really get to her, this type of girls wants attention, that's why she acts that way.

 To be honest I doubt you will see very much effort on her part at all, the good thing is you already know she is not for you so it's not heartbreaking like it was for me. You are lucky, and you seem to have the right attitude about this. Of course you should give her a chance, but don't expect miracles.

 Damn, 8 more days?  That's a long time! Are you sharing a room? You know whats funny about the shower thing, the girl I spoke about did the same thing, but it didn't mean we were going to have sex (we didn't) She was in the bathroom a lot, but for us it was because we were both irritated with each other, and her escape room was the bathroom, and mine was the hotel lobby. My trip was only 4 days, so good luck my friend, just enjoy the weather and the atmosphere. 

[Michelangelo]

she seems to be rude at times, to me she acts like a stuck up spoiled chica.  kind of bossy almost.  othertimes she is very considerate, beyond kind.  i cannot read her mind at all.  she seems to think russians are far superiour to americans.  that´s bad because i am the only american she knows! 

DKMM~ I met a lot of Russian girls who were EXACTLY like yours.  In fact, I had a similar trip (See my Turkish Delight TR).

You need to be more assertative with her. 

After all, it's NOT all about her.

Claim some pleasure and fun for yourself.

[DKMM]

hi guys, s novum godum.

i have a TON of things i've learned but don't have time to post much.  only thing i can say is, once i stopped giving a dam, she came around and now we are having fun.  basically, i learned how a RW wants you to take control in a particular way.  and how to make someone laugh who does not understand english too well.

gawd i love how she talks.  i will be so sad when i return to america and just hear the usual blabber from AW...

[PeeWee]

A cigar is just a cigar,,, most of the time.  But a shower can always mean something else,,, especially to a Russian woman.

Thanks, T/G, I grow weary of drawing pictures.

There will always be "newbies" jb. What is the value of the forum if not to help the new ones learn. If you are growing tired of lending your sage advice to those who wish to learn then what is your value to the form?  Think about it.

Peewee

[DKMM]

Greetings,

I would like to take the time to say to those that suggested i bag this trip before i take it.  what were you guys thinking???  i'm having a great time and now fully realize why RW are so amazing.  Oy mamichka!

There have been a few unpleasant encounters:

1. she explained why she brought $200 sunglasses "I like nice things... I like expensive things"

2. we went to a "disco" (don't use nightclub, they won't understand) and she saw the VIP area.  She said "I always get to go VIP".  I explained that its for insecure people or arrogant people.  I would rather be with the crowd as i don't pretend i'm better than everyone else.  And that spending money has nothing to do with being rich.  she looked at me like i was nuts.  Actually, we've had many moments where we look at each other like "what kind of person is this?"

3. chasing a young "10" girl is probably not very feasible in Russia anymore.  At least not one with a good education and job.  She has many guys that chase her around with their flashy mercedes, boats, motorcycles, you name it.  And she can take care of herself and is not interested in getting married anytime soon.  She wants to have fun and see the world first (who can blame her?)

4.  her overall impression of Americans.  she has so many bad things to say about Americans.  i point out what is wrong with Russians (which is never a good idea!) and that just made it worse.

Thanks to the above experiences, I don't really like her that much.  I've managed to have a good time though.  The best is going to swanky places and having every guy in there think i'm a God because I have her with me.  Everywhere we go, they stare.  I just act like i'm used to it.  I am burning through cash though... the more i spend the better mood she is in (doh!).

[Voyageur]

DKMM,

Your words "Oy Mamichka" really cracked me up! . I agree with you that the days of relatively rich American men coming over to the FSU major cities and expecting young "10's" to fall all over them are long gone. There is allot of wealth in Russia these days - anyone with eyes can see it for themselves over here. I submit that you will have learned more about your woman if you had visited with her in her FSU home city instead of any exotic location.

I am happy that you have at least salvaged a good time out of a bad situation. And believe me, any enjoyment of the stares from other guys around gets old real quick.  If you are not secure in your relationship it could be a big problem. The best advise that I can give you is to look for a woman from a good family, who was raised to cherish family life and her man.  I still think that this traditional characteristic is more easily found in the FSU than other places. And it is never a good idea to to compare Russian people with American people with someone from another culture whom you are not close with. It always has a potential for arguments - and it is usually rife with generalities anyway.  Good luck to you DKMM!

[wiz]

DKMM,
It was the same with my first Russian girl, she was sometimes rude, sometimes very caring about my safety and health, she was very arrogant, and in love with herself. I had the same problems as far as communicating, she didn't get my jokes either, I was also used to making the girls laugh so this was new, and kind of frustrating. I know exactly what you mean when you say "we spend time at meals just looking around and eating because she won´t understand me."  It's awkward, but you have to just keep trying. The difficult thing is getting her to make an effort, from my experience this type of girl makes very little effort, it's all on you. I can also relate to her saying many things that she wants to do, but it never happens. When I first went over she talked about "going to the nature" eating shaslik, she was going to take me to many places....it never happened. Even though I was in her city, I was expected to make all the plans, at least you're in a neutral place, so it's an even playing field.

You forgot to say that they all have this type of behaviour because they expect the man to make all the decision.

DKMM
BTW don't expect a thank you for your efforts and money spend for her entertainment.....Just follow the advice of Michelangelo's. Have fun and be assertive.

Enjoy your holiday.

[DKMM]

I would like to continue that thought wiz...

It is very hard to get used to a perfect 10 girl depend on you to make all the decisions.  i can't believe it.  i decide what we do, what she eats and choose what she drinks.  AW 10's are the complete opposite.

Also, I am learning that you are expected to open all doors, escort them to the bathroom, and always ALWAYS seat her at the table.   

This is great I get to ask her everything about what RW like and don't like.  I'm trying to compile them to share here but have few moments alone.

and even though i'm burning cash so is she.  she pays her half of everything we do, except that i always buy dinner and any drinks after.   that amounts to well over a hundred a night.  and new years, bozhe moi, that was very expensive but it was good because its a huge deal to them.

[jinx13]

BTW don't expect a thank you for your efforts and money spend for her entertainment

 That quote is very true with this type of girl, she probably doesn't say thank you for anything, much less appreciate the effort you have gone through to make this holiday happen.

 I was constantly amazed at the lack of understanding and appreciation for my efforts on my first trip over. 14 hours of flying, tons of money spent, trying to be "the man" and show her around in HER home city, all of this didn't really seem to sink in to her, I was just another guy trying to woo her, the beautiful "10's" can be a pain in the ass more often than not I think.

[Photo Guy]

DKMM,
I hope you had a good time, but I really hope you have learned what type of RW to avoid in the future. Weren't there red flags before you made this trip?

[DKMM]

Interestingly enough, she is noticing my efforts financially.  she has always bought breakfast and even paid for our parasailing.  it seems the more i spend on her, the more she spends on me.  i protest when she pays but she says "no you spent more than I have."  Probably one of the few advantages to vacationing with a girl that has money!

But at the same time, yeah jinx i know what you mean.  it seems j is just used to being chased after by men the world over and i'm just another guy wasting my time.  There were red flags before this trip but they arrived after i sunk my time and money into it.  I just found out last night she doesn't even know how to cook!  As it turns out, this has been a very valuable experience in my pursuit of RW.  I've learned much more about these women here with J than I did in 9 days in Russia. 

Still, I don't want to waste my time anymore and will pursue serious girls as soon as I return home.  No more 10's, I don't really care for model hot anyways, I'm already used to how she looks and it doesn't turn me on so much anymore after 8 days in a row.  Voyageur is right, I'm looking for what he described.