Big City Women vs. Village Girls

[KenC]

Now those are some good words of advice and a very good pat on the back. Very good Ken. I like to see and hear words as these. Some need more pats on the back and less harsh words. Very well said , thank you..

Thank you Patrick, but you better hold that thought until you read the rest of the threads.
KenC

[Michelangelo]

I'm biased, because my girl is a Muscovite with a pedigree approaching that of jb's wife. ... I may be ruined. If things don't work out with M, I think I will have a hard time looking in the provinces.

Momus, I hope it all works out with your lady and you don't have to seek a lady from a "lesser" locale...  But my friend, it's all in your mind.  Better girls do NOT hail from certain cities.  It's the girl man, not where she is from.

Myself, I've lived in NYC (Manhattan) and I've lived in Chicago.  I like Chicago a lot more.   I've spent time in Moscow and I've lived 4 months in Kiev.  I like Kiev a lot more.

And my Vik is from Dnepr, a city of ONLY 1.5 million.  But if she had hailed from smaller Zhitomir,  I would love her just as much.

In the US, it's no different.  I've known some great minds and personalities from the rural south, as well as from the northeast.  Bias is bias, whether in the FSU or the USA.  Unfortunately, it limits the opportunities and possibilities of the holder.

[Turboguy]

Main Entry: so·phis·ti·ca·tion
Function: noun
Pronunciation: s&-"fis-t&-'kA-sh&n
1 a : the use of sophistry : sophistic reasoning b : SOPHISM , QUIBBLE
2 : the process or result of becoming cultured, knowledgeable, or disillusioned ; especially : CULTIVATION , URBANITY
3 : the process or result of becoming more complex, developed, or subtle
KenC

Ah, now we know why a sophisticated woman is so desirable.  She is a complex, disillusioned woman who likes to quibble.   Now the thread about all women being alike sounds more logical.   That sounds just like an AW

[KenC]

Turbo,
I guess I would take that over an undeveloped, ignorant, uncivilized simpleton.
KenC

[Turboguy]

Well I do have to say that complex, undeveloped, ignorant, uncivilized disillusioned simpleton who likes to quibble would make a country bumpkin who made her own clothes and picked up a steak in her hands to eat it sound pretty good.

[jb]

I'm biased, because my girl is a Muscovite with a pedigree approaching that of jb's wife. I'll make only three points:

1. I'm certain that M would not be as sophisticated if she hailed from most any other city in the FSU, and had she not had the advantages her family afforded her growing up in the USSR. Example: She likely wouldn't have enjoyed a world-class education in classical piano dating from the age of 5.

2. I may be ruined. If things don't work out with M, I think I will have a hard time looking in the provinces. Fortunately, I grow more positive every day that this won't be necessary.

3. I'm certain that *I* would not be as sophisticated (to the extent that I am sophisticated at all) if I hadn't enjoyed the opportunity to travel widely and live in cities such as New York, LA, Houston, New Orleans, and Minneapolis. As Viking correctly points out, much of sophistication is opportunity, experience, and exposure...and then what you learn from it and do with it.

I almost NEVER quote anyone's post in it's entirety, but this one is a gem.  I love Moscow, it's one of the most interesting and fascinating cities in the world.   As are the Moscovites.   Personally,,, I'm guessing those men who don't find the Moscovichka's attractive are men with some unresolved insecurities who feel the need for a less worldly, and less culturally developed woman.  If that's your aim, fine,,, but, please, don't denigrate our Moscow princesses in the process of justifying your search for a lessor woman in the provinces.  Personally I'm sick of the "big city girl vs small town girl" threads.  It's not up to the girl,,, it's up to what you, as a man, are capable of dealing with.  If you are only capable of small town thnking,,, admit it and move on.  Big city woman may be more than you can handle.

Geesh~!  Get a grip, fer christ's sake...

[Turboguy]

I have probably met more gals from Moscow than everywhere in the rest of the FSU put together.  I don't find them one bit more sophisticated than gals from the other cities.   I do find a percentage of them with a "better than everyone else" attitude but to me that is a attitude that shows a lack of sophisticaton.

Please don't read this to say they are not sophisticated, particularly compared to AW but sophisticated women can be found equally well in many parts of the FSU

[TexasBoar]

Hmmmmm . . . well, at this point, as the OP on the thread, I'm just going to go ahead and stipulate that my best distance, adjusted for windage, is about 7'4".

So, if there's to be a continuing pi$$ing contest . . . that's my mark. 

~Boar

[LEGAL]

Girls from Siberia  

[I/O]

Girls from Siberia  

Legal & Olga.  You could amost be forgiven for thinking some humans lived there also.  (I think the devil made me say that, so I guess I'll never go to heaven)

I/O

[LEGAL]

I/O Please Explain yourself!!!

LEGAL & Olga

[I/O]

I/O Plese Explain yourself!!!
LEGAL & Olga

Well some seem to think the Moscow girls are spoilt brats, some seem to think the Siberians are little more than animals, all of it is nonsense and I think Olga got it pretty right upthread when she mentioned "Boys with Their Toys".

After all the twoing and froing, it comes down to a poorly named thread because by and large, village girls (No dispersions on them) are simply not coming into the equation of most who are searching.  So the differences between the larger cities and the provincial cities are more relevant and all we seem to see is how some think one is better than the other or vica versa.

Off Topic. But can someone answer me this question.  What is wrong with the Moscow Girls and what is wrong with the Provincial girls? I think it is simply a nonsense argument but......................

I/O

[Photo Guy]

Right. The argument that claims superiority for huge cities or provincial cities
is idiotic. Many fine (and 'sophisticated') women reside in both areas. Either
view degrades women/wives from the other area. 

[LEGAL]

When I was the deputy director of the Kemerovo Regional Drama Theatre. I had many business trips from small towns to the largest city's in Russia. I met many Russian men and woman who were working in government, education and cultural systems as well as other professional and non professional people.  I quietly smile when you, guys, say:" I met many Russian woman" I, Olga, living in Russia met and did business with many Russian woman not you. And your so called experienced "scientific debate" about Russian woman appears to be a debate by monkeys about Russian  winter! Dear newbies to read about experience it is good but when you have to make your choice listen to your mind and heart. Please remember what I previously stated  "what is important for you, her mind and soul or her place of residence?" There are highly educated and sophisticate men and woman all over Russia, you guys just have to open your eyes, ears and minds. The best women in the world are the beloved wives and the best wives in the world are beloved women!
Olga

[KenC]

Right. The argument that claims superiority for huge cities or provincial cities
is idiotic. Many fine (and 'sophisticated') women reside in both areas. Either
view degrades women/wives from the other area. 

Photo,
Most here in this thread have not claimed "superiority" but a difference of sophistication between villiage and big city RW.  By definition sophistication at least alludes to a more worldly exposure, which would me much more easily attained in a larger city.  As I said to David up thread, if what you want is a woman that has more traditional home making abilities and simpler wants and desires, so be it.  I don't see where my view point is degrading in any way toward women from small towns.  I do think that the women might be a bit too "sheltered" in the real villages as described above.  If anyone degrading a side to this it is David when he compared "sofistication" (as he spelled it) to big tits and blond hair.

Consider this, for a moment please.  Lena is not even from Moscow.  She is from Tver which has about 1 million pop.  Admittedly there is a huge Moscow influence because it is geographically close, but it isn't Moscow by a long shot.  Her class, sophistication and cultured-ness was a great match for me, so it works for us.  I don't know if I would have the same attraction to a woman from a rural area, or quite frankly a woman of Etna's (jb's wife) caliber either.  Not that there is anything wrong with with either choice for someone else.  It is like the Goldilock's fairy tale, and Lena was the porridge that was just right for me.  There are plenty of differences between village and big city RW just as there is between us AM looking for RW.  Viva Le difference.
KenC

[Vaughn]

  My top search priority was always about character.

  Character knows no geographic boundaries, and not borne of cultural upbringing. It's disheartening to see an urban FSU woman
tried and hung by virtue of her classiness; I am equally bothered when a provincial FSU woman (or her suitor for that matter) is
labeled a lower rung on someone else's ladder.

  The only insecurities I notice here: the tendencies to get defensive about, or to subtly assault, the woman's dignity.

  I suggest all "newbies" take the convictions as espoused here very lightly in your decision where to search. Go for character - be it in Moscow, St Petersburg, Izhevsk or some burg in Ukraine that nobody's heard of.

  Sophistication? I was married to Ms. Sophistication for nineteen and a half years. It wasn't at all what some here are claiming. Go for character above all.

[KenC]

Vaughn,
Can't disagree with your take on character here buddy, but as you mentioned "character" has not boundary and this is a thread about differences between big city & village girls.  It isn't even about preferences.  But I hear ya.
KenC

[Turboguy]

KenC,   I have never met your wife but she is not from Moscow.   Frankly I have the impression that she would rate high on anyones scale of sophisticating.   I also have a feeling that jb's wife would rate higher on that scale than most women from Moscow.

I think if you talk to many gals from the FSU these things come out.   Moscow women often think they are far superior to gals from the smaller cities in Russia.   Russian gals from anywhere think they are far better than gals from Ukraine.  Ukrainian women don't think to highly of Russian women.   We all think that gals from anywhere over there are far superior to AW.   We all think the gal we have found is exceptional and wonderful and has tons of great qualities.   The cold hard reality of it is that there are a lot of gals that are really terrific from the FSU, anywhere in the FSU.   One more fact before I move on.  Not all women there are the same.   Some may be more sophisticated, some may be more domestic, some may be more career oriented, most all are very family oriented.   Most of the ones we will encounter are very high quality women.

Part 2.  We are all different.  We have different lifestyles, different professions, different interests and different goals in life.   We all have goals and a life and lifestyle we want.    On average most of us have some degree of success in life.   Still what we want from our life is different.   I could picture you putting on a tux and going someplace fancy more than I could picture DeKnack or many of the guys here including me enjoying doing that.  I have not had a tux on since I got married.  I think you enjoy going to , as you called it, your upscale country club.  I am sure as well with the business you are in that it is a good investment for you but I would not want a country club membership if it were given to me.   My point is that some men want a sophisticated wife, some want a gal who would be a good loving mother for their children, some want a loving woman that they find sexy and appealing, some want a partner for their life, a friend and lover so to say.   There is nothing wrong with any of that.   Finding the right person for us is what is important.

The idea that if a woman is not from Moscow she can not be sophisticated is hogwash.  The idea that everyone wants a sophisticated woman more as a top priority is the same.   Many do make that quality a priority and no one wants a woman with no class.   Women from the FSU have no interest in a man with no class as well.  

[LEGAL]

Please look at the attached photos and you decide.

Can you tell

What city's are they from big or small?

What class and education do they have?

LEGAL & Olga

[Vaughn]

  Thanks, Ken. As you posted before I did,

There are plenty of differences between village and big city RW just as there is between us AM looking for RW.  Viva Le difference.

  These big vs small threads always seem to slip into "Mine's Better Than Yours" contests of words. As I recently PM'd a member here, I bought a Palekh laquered box on eBay in 2001. The Russian lady seller, a Muscovite in Nevada, asked me where my first-journey destination would be in the FSU. I told her Moscow, then Yoshkar-Ola. "Oh, don't go there! As soon as you get 60 km in any direction from Moscow, you'll be in the midst of poverty."

  Well, there was truth in her statement, but I never personally witnessed the hand-in-hand despair and ignorance that was implied. What I found there was a zest for life, a sense of character and honesty - in short, an environment into which my future wife was born. Period. Elvira could have been from St Pete or Timbuktu - it didn't matter to me. On the other hand, I did hear from many locals how they resented Moscow during Soviet times 'cause "Everything we manufactured and produced was immediately shipped to Moscow by train, and little if anything ever came back." That's all changed nowadays, yet I don't wonder if some remnants remain: perhaps the greatest difference between FSU City Girls and Village Girls lies in their own perceptions of one another.

Turbo wrote: "Women from the FSU have no interest in a man with no class as well."

Not so sure about that, Turbo....  my wife's still hangin' in with me, LOL!!!  


  

[SANDRO43]

Can you tell
What city's are they from big or small?

Considering her footwear, I'd say 3.jpg is a hooker from Moscow .

[Vaughn]

Sandro, my thoughts are this:

3.jpg and 6.pg are female impersonators. Check the muscle
tone and facial structure. Betcha they're packing porkies!

The other two I'm not so sure...

OK LEGAL, where're they from?

[LEGAL]

Please look at the attached photos and you decide.

Can you tell

What city's are they from big or small?

What class and education do they have?

LEGAL & Olga

Vaughn! very astute of you. Remember when you are in Moscow BEWARE the woman you are with does not have extra equipment in her pants All of the photos are men from a transvestite show in Moscow. Olga has  worked with these guys from the show "Heavenly Birds", when they were giving concert in her city.
The director asked Olga for her expertize in helping organize the concert.
Looks can be deceiving!


I do feel we are all in agreement that we have found our loving wives regardless of what city , social or economic class they are from, like Olga has previously stated the mind and sole are the most important as well as character .
I do hope the newbies read and understand there have been many good points made throughout this thread by  many experienced people here. It is up to you to decide what is best for you.

LEGAL

[Gator]

There is someone for everyone - the question Texas Boar is what do you want?  There are good woman and bad women in both areas.  Although someone a long time ago claimed that Moscow had proportionately fewer women on blacklists. I think I unintentionally insulted you a long time, so I will not say more.

I was engaged to a sophisticated 8-th generation Muscovite.  She knew fashion, politics, ballet, theater, wine and music.  Having said that, she read detective novels, watched the variety shows on TV, ate awful salty fish and washed it down with beer, and rode around in the Florida summer like a Cracker with windows down and no makeup.    In my three years with her, she never said anything negative about anyone.  She was even polite to sales people.

Now I date a woman born and raised near the Urals.  She is sophisticated from having worked in Europe for 14 years as a fashion model, yet has small town values such as knitting for one of her hobbies.

I dated a doctor from a 2-million pop. city who had abhorrent table manners.

[LEGAL]

Gator very good.

Legal & Olga