Scammers and suspect Agencies

[Bruno]

Rasmus,

No, the situation become more bad... euroloviness is a free site... but with the new link, men need to pay membership for reach the contact information...

Contact Euroloviness is almost impossible, all is automatic... but maybe since you are in contact with Natasha, you can make the following...

- Send a e-mail to the Webmaster from ua-date ( info@ua-date.com ) where you explain that Natasha have never post this ads... for prove that you are in contact with Natasha, you join a copy of her passport ( with "not for publish" writen in red on it - photoshop work )... and you ask him the IP of the personne who have post the ads ( each server have his log ) and for cancel the ads...

- With the link that i have send you previously ( WhoIs ), you will be able to know the internet provider... so you can know the country and if it is from ex-USSR, the oblast...

- When you have the result, you can post it here :cool:

[rasmus]

Rasmus,

No, the situation become more bad... euroloviness is a free site... but with the new link, men need to pay membership for reach the contact information...

Contact Euroloviness is almost impossible, all is automatic... but maybe since you are in contact with Natasha, you can make the following...

- Send a e-mail to the Webmaster from ua-date ( info@ua-date.com ) where you explain that Natasha have never post this ads... for prove that you are in contact with Natasha, you join a copy of her passport ( with "not for publish" writen in red on it - photoshop work )... and you ask him the IP of the personne who have post the ads ( each server have his log ) and for cancel the ads...

- With the link that i have send you previously ( WhoIs ), you will be able to know the internet provider... so you can know the country and if it is from ex-USSR, the oblast...

- When you have the result, you can post it here :cool:

I have contacted both sites and wait for their reply.

[andrewfi]

I agree about the end result, but frankly, given the unloveliness of most of the people fronting these sales agencies, this is no bad thing! Let people see what shysters they are. Shine a light on them.

[jb]

Let people see what shysters they are. Shine a light on them.

In that I agree, there's some real sleeze bags in the business.  Anyone who will traffic in humans and prays upon the emotions of the lonely, or the disenfranchised, certainly qualifies as a sleeze bag in my view.

[rasmus]

I had three clients get married in Kherson this month and none of these ladies ask for money while they were dating my clients

Dear Kevin.
Usualy Ukrainian agencies requre copies of domestic passports from women, who want ro become a member of that agencies.
Pasport contain such information:
1. Real name and Surname
2. Real BirthDate
3. Real Marital status
4. Quantity of children

I want to ask you what type of documents specify marital status of american citizens?

[Bruno]

I had three clients get married in Kherson this month and none of these ladies ask for money while they were dating my clients

Dear Kevin.
Usualy Ukrainian agencies requre copies of domestic passports from women, who want ro become a member of that agencies.
Pasport contain such information:
1. Real name and Surname
2. Real BirthDate
3. Real Marital status
4. Quantity of children

I want to ask you what type of documents specify marital status of american citizens?
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Sorry, only the name and the bank account are writen on the VISA card ... if the guys have a lot of money on his account, a lot of chance that he have not a big quantity of children :D... And if he is married, he don't used bank card from where stay prove, he use Western Union... the system of scammer :D:D

Seriously, what are all these control... do you ask a passport when you meet a local man of woman... you can invite somebody to give these information but not obligate it...

Usually, i send always a copy of my national and international passport in my introduction letter... i don't ask to the woman for send a copy from her passport... but several make it because i have make the first step... this allow a relation based on the trust from the begin... for some who was curious about my divorce, i send my divorce act too... Why hide something since you go maybe share you life with these lady and soon or early, she go know all your past life... and information...

 

[Kevin]

[user=38]khersongirls[/user] wrote:
Dear Kevin.
Usualy Ukrainian agencies requre copies of domestic passports from women, who want ro become a member of that agencies.
Pasport contain such information:
1. Real name and Surname
2. Real BirthDate
3. Real Marital status
4. Quantity of children

I want to ask you what type of documents specify marital status of american citizens?

 

Ramus:

Great to hear that you also require copy of the ladies passport. But you are not up to speed on the Marriage stamp. It is no longer required in the passports. The ladies are given a documents instead of a stamp for the last couple of years so the passport is no longer a way to verify if a lady is Married. But it does provide her corrrect name.  My wife Ukrainian passport do not show she is married or has children. Yet she is married with our child.

In American we have only a documents that shows we are married and a birth certificate for the children that show we are the parents.

[rasmus]

- When you have the result, you can post it here :cool:

http://www.ua-date.com/profiles/index.php?ct=woman&md=details&id=8632 
was removed

No response and any actions from Euroloviness

What site wiil be next?

 

[Fiorella]

Send complaint to their hoster abuse address.

[Cowboy]

By Dan: Removed the link because it was not functional AND it was creating a width problem for display of all messages.

[Bruno]

Hey Cowboy,

If you have some letter of prove to show, don't give a link to your yahoo message box... we cannot access it without your loggin and password :D:D...

You can copy it with header here...

[antiscam-uk]

This has nothing to do with the most recent posts in this thread, but having just come across it and noting that both myself, my wife and my site have been mentioned a few times I though it was about time I made a few comments?

First, although Felice, or whoever he is has probably long since departed this thread I'd like to point out that he has simply lied when he said :

2) Saul Hudson from http://www.antiscam.net asking me: Do you know, who I am? I am recommended by Elena Petrova (with her site Elenas Models and her poor quality data-base , except some bikini-girls from Kiev) What did they cost Elena? The rest not much?

I have never said any such thing. And can't think of a possible reason why I ever would. The man is dillusional to say the least.

His other bone of contention was because I asked for some proof of an accusation he was making. I asked if a woman he complained about had asked for any money?
He asserts that he provided the neccesery proof, however since I do not know who he really is I cannot say if he indeed provided such proof. But as was noted by someone else, this is hardly an unreasonable question to ask ?

I see we have also been criticised because we have a donations link? Err...it is a "Donations" link, perhaps the poster didn't spot the clue there. People "donate"...or don't in our case. It's there because people asked for it to be there. And of course once you give people the option to donate...they usually don't..at least not to us. But it remains there and if people want to use it , it's much appreciated.

So...what did we do with the $267.94 that has been donated since September 2003? Well...we certainly didn't retire to warmer climes, or buy a new house, or enjoy an endless life of luxury! People like to believe that sites like ours rake in thousands of dollars every month and that we obviously are enjoying the high life on the backs of other people's misery. No....what we did with it was pay for hosting. Not very glamorous...but there it is.

In reality our site has been entirely financed by myself since 2001 when it was first set up. I don't run a marriage agency and never have and we didn't take any affiliate links until 2003. Only recently have they generated enough money to cover the monthly hosting costs. And to be clear about this. We are lucky to average $300 a month in total from all our affiliate links...of which there aren't many.

The only Marriage Agency that generates any income to the site (included in that $300) is Elena's Models. We don't charge any agency to be listed on our 'Marriage Agencies' page either. They are there on merit alone.

Now I know there have been complaints against Elena's Models on this site. But speaking for ourselves we have personally only received four complaints in the last six years and those were dealt with by Elena in a very professional manner. Now if anyone has specific complaints I would be more than happy to hear from you and look into them for you. But I want to hear from the victims themselves, not second hand reports trawled from other sources on the net.

The other thing that annoys the hell out of me is "Scam Hunters" these people are the bane of my life. I receive a ton of e-mails every week from these guys who seem to have nothing better to do than trawl the net looking for scammers. What they fail to understand is that we need reports from people who have actually been scammed. Not from people who spend their time hunting for "suspected" scammers. And of course because we don't post their dubious reports they go off and post something derogatory about us all over the net.

Just use some common sense folks. Come and ask me about something and I'll give you a straight answer. And we're happy to hear from the women too. It's not just men who get scammed. However it's no good if all you women out there are just going to congregate on Antidate and moan about everyone else. The door is open for you on Antiscam.Net all you have to do is walk through it. Give us your reports with dates, times, e-mails etc and it will be treated in exactly the same way as reports from the men. Just try it ?

If you have any issues with us or the way our site operates I'll be more than happy to hear from you. Constructive criticism is always welcome

One final word about Kevin Hayes of Kherson Girls. Although I have never met Kevin I have known of him for many years now and we do exchange the odd e-mail now and then. I can honestly say over the last six years neither him nor his site have ever given us any cause for concern.

All the best
Saul Hudson
http://www.antiscam.net

[Jack]

I can happily say that my experience with Saul Hudson over the last 4-5 years (has it been that long?) has been one of a very positive nature.  I believe Saul to be a good and sincere man with high ethics.

I can't say I agree with Saul's opinion of Elena's Models due to a rather negative personal experience I have had with Elena Petrova but that set aside, I think Saul is an asset to the industry.

[antiscam-uk]

Hi Jack. Haven't heard from you in a long time. Hope your keeping well ?

What's this about Elena...is there something I should be aware of? Or is that the thing about her charging to be listed as a recommended agency?

[Jack]

Hey Saul, nice to hear from you.

Your memory serves you well. Yes, Elena said she would be happy to add me to her recommended list of agencies,....for $80 a month.  When I pointed out to her the two agencies she was recommending at the time had girls of 17 and known scammers she never replied back.  And two-three years back Elena used to say how bad and degrading the socials were, she was really against them, well, that was until Elena with Anastasia was able to pay Petrova enough green backs. Now Petrova highly recommends Anastasia's socials.

I would not mind so bad if she was upfront and stated that her recommended agencies were recommended only if they paid her $80 a month. It's the same issue I have with Honest Jim and his anti-scam site. Honest Jim list's his recommended agencies but fails to mention to people that these agencies also have to pay him to be recommended. To Honest Jim's credit he did change his policy from a required payment to a more classy worded "donations". If one will "donate" to Jim's cause almost anyone can be on his recommended list.

[TigerPaws]

Yes, Elena said she would be happy to add me to her recommended list of agencies,....for $80 a month.  When I pointed out to her the two agencies she was recommending at the time had girls of 17 and known scammers she never replied back.  And two-three years back Elena used to say how bad and degrading the socials were, she was really against them, well, that was until Elena with Anastasia was able to pay Petrova enough green backs. Now Petrova highly recommends Anastasia's socials.

I would not mind so bad if she was upfront and stated that her recommended agencies were recommended only if they paid her $80 a month. It's the same issue I have with Honest Jim and his anti-scam site. Honest Jim list's his recommended agencies but fails to mention to people that these agencies also have to pay him to be recommended. To Honest Jim's credit he did change his policy from a required payment to a more classy worded "donations". If one will "donate" to Jim's cause almost anyone can be on his recommended list.
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[antiscam-uk]

Yeah I see what you mean. I'll raise these issues with Elena and see what sort of reply I get.

Antiscam.net is not recommended by Elena...although we did eventually get a link back on Elena's Models a few pages in. Had to fight for that one though!

As you know I'm not a fan of socials myself however that is a purely personal preference and your customers don't seem to mind this approach. In fact I think if memory serves me we only had two complaints about your service in the last six years and they turned out to be bogus! We still have your banner on our site by the way and we're happy to have it there


Saul Hudson
www.antiscam.net