I am New here but I am here to Help

[El Rock]

Well, it's definitely different and interesting.  And Sochi looks like a nice place.

What Rock calls clinical, I'd call personalized. And perhaps a plus . . . after all, we're talking matchmaking here, not dating.  Seems the more information available on both sides of the coin, the better the chance of success.

I'll be watching how it goes for DaKnack, lol.  It's still wickedly expensive, but I definitely pay attention around here as to which agencies do right by people.

~Boar

Are you in CC      ??
Not sure you ever answered

[I/O]

 And what is the initial risk?  $150?  A bargin in my book.

KenC.  They will never change..!! The majority of dream seekers that is.  Nothing wrong with keeping an eye on the dollar with travel and such, but they wish to whinge at a couple of hundred dollars to find someone above the average, and yet they never seem to consider the 5,6,700K or more it often costs for the average to get unmarried when it doesn't work. "Dime wise and dollar foolish" in many ways.

I don't like parting with unecessary money any more than the next person, but there is times when "Investment" is entirely different to simply spending money. This should be the most important investment any guy makes. Nobody can be certain of getting it right first up, but you can minimize the risks of getting it wrong. Pay peanuts if you want monkeys.


I/O

[El Rock]

I can relate  to what you are writing  .
I write , just because a couple   of good lookin RW create a agency and charge a lot of $ , does that make them any  better ?

They have  successfully   created a  fancy  , glossy  show .
It's a web site with pretty photos and nice words  .
As all the web agencies  are  , commercials   to  grab your attention .

They appear  to    have a   cleaver  niche  in the market  of  searchers .
I got my hopes way up  after learnin of them , it was an emotional rush , for a short while .

And , now I am back  here , again

KenC.  They will never change..!! The majority of dream seekers that is.  Nothing wrong with keeping an eye on the dollar with travel and such, but they wish to whinge at a couple of hundred dollars to find someone above the average, and yet they never seem to consider the 5,6,700K or more it often costs for the average to get unmarried when it doesn't work. "Dime wise and dollar foolish" in many ways.

I don't like parting with unecessary money any more than the next person, but there is times when "Investment" is entirely different to simply spending money. This should be the most important investment any guy makes. Nobody can be certain of getting it right first up, but you can minimize the risks of getting it wrong. Pay peanuts if you want monkeys.


I/O

[DonAz]

Well, it's definitely different and interesting.  And Sochi looks like a nice place.

What Rock calls clinical, I'd call personalized. And perhaps a plus . . . after all, we're talking matchmaking here, not dating.  Seems the more information available on both sides of the coin, the better the chance of success.

I'll be watching how it goes for DaKnack, lol.  It's still wickedly expensive, but I definitely pay attention around here as to which agencies do right by people.

~Boar

Sochi is a great Place. Can you imagine Palm trees in Russia? Well guess what, Sochi has them in abundance. I happen to love it here. Over the last 3 1/2 years I have spent more then 5 months in Sochi during 7 long trips.

When I get a chance over the next few days I am going to post some photos of Sochi.

Well I think it is either expensive to some and cost effective to others.

I met my wife this way, and spent that kind of money, I only did it because that was where my wife had her profile. I paid that kind of money -the correspondence and phone calls went well. Yulia met me at the airport and as they say the rest is history. We have been together for three and a half years and all is well in our marriage and our world.

Do I think its expensive?  No! after all using this method I met my wife on the first day of my first trip. Think how much it costs taking multiple trips to the FSU. Not that there is any guarantee the same thing will happen everytime. That is impossible to tell of course but again it did work out well for us

DonAz

[KenC]

El Rock,
What you say is true only if they do not back their smack, but we have Don boy here saying it is all on the up and up.  That puts a lot of credibility into what the lady says now in my mind.  Besides all that, what better place to be tied to in the future than Sochi?  If you gotta visit, couldn't think of a better place.
KenC

[El Rock]

El Rock,
What you say is true only if they do not back their smack, but we have Don boy here saying it is all on the up and up.  That puts a lot of credibility into what the lady says now in my mind.  Besides all that, what better place to be tied to in the future than Sochi?  If you gotta visit, couldn't think of a better place.
KenC

K man
You beat me to it .
I was just gonna  write something like that.
Yes , if AzDon  says  so

[BillyB]

No matter what you pay the agency, it doesn't make the women who listed herself a better person although the agency may screen women to keep possible insincere women out. But if the agency can figure out insincere women, hopefully you have that ability too or your rolling the dice no matter who you date.

There are agencies out there that will charge you $25,000 for their gold membership or $50,000 gold for their platinum with no guarantee of marriage. I guess the guy who pays $50,000 for membership can say amazingloves is cheap and "you get what you pay for". Agency price does not guarantee success, especially if you're ugly and messed up in the head and the woman you find at the agency has a bad attitude. If you're a man in demand, you'll have a high percentage of success to catch woman with an agency or without.

I trust Don's word too.

[KenC]

Billy,
 I think you have it backwards.  Amazingloves is not a good agency because they charge alot, they are a good agency that has to charge a lot for additional services provided.  Some guys here were questioning the higher cost and I think it is justified.  The higher cost doesn't make them better, the higher service does.
KenC

[Turboguy]

Humm, are there two El Rock's.   I remember one El Rock who talked about wanting quality and being willing to pay for it in the WalMart discussion.   Now we find this El Rock who doesn't think quality is worth paying for.    :noidea:

[El Rock]

You got me again , I don't what to think .
You are one smart man , TurboGuy

Humm, are there two El Rock's.   I remember one El Rock who talked about wanting quality and being willing to pay for it in the WalMart discussion.   Now we find this El Rock who doesn't think quality is worth paying for.    :noidea:

[Rvrwind]

I know she will not accept other types of men either. If a guy is not realistic in any way they will get bounced. As she told me she does not need the problems dealing with such men.

If a guy does not have personality, looks, charisma  is  50 years old and wants a 20 year old super model he will get bounced.

If a man is very rich and acts like the world owe him whatever he wants  and acts like  a woman’s’ sole purpose is for his  entertain and to be a possession or trophy . He will get bounced (this type of fool gets bounced with a sore ego and much sorer rump)

I find this attitude commendable myself & is how I operate. Although I don't 'bounce' them, I do let them know in no uncertain terms that they are fishing in the wrong pond & if they want a better chance to succeed then perhaps a different pond would be more appropriate. Sometimes they take the advice, sometimes not. If they choose not to well their failure is their failure, not mine.
On another note I have worked with a couple of black fellows & I find that there are women here who do not have a problem with them. In fact,at one agency I worked at we had one young lady who preferred a black man & stated it right in her profile.
I will work with anybody who is sincere, honest & truly looking to find his other half. I find most ladies are not adverse to men of other races as long as they are gentlemen & treat them with the respect they are due. I am currently working with a fellow from Venezuela who is dating a lovely young lady & they are getting on well. The youger generation here especially, does not have the racial intolerance of the generations before them. They are more tolerant & more accepting of other races & cultures than their predecessors were.
To go back to Gators post:

Please tell me about the men. Did you read Kuna's thread in Odds and Ends about Western men?  How many resemble what he described?

Far too many in my humble opinion. I have turned away several in just the past week that I wouln't introduce to the family pet, much less an attractive sincere women. Some I can pick out just by the way they fill out their profiles, some it takes a letter or two or phone conversation, but most assuredly sooner more often than later they trip over their own feet & then, I 'bounce' them.
We give the same assurances to the women as we do the men. We assure the men that the women are of good quality, sincere, mature & non-scammers or players. We give the ladies the same assurances about the men. If I think a guy is a 'Keyboard Romeo' & in my opinion will never come to Russia, I let the ladies he is writing know & we test him to see if his intentions are real or not. If not, he's history. I won't play games or allow games tobe played on the ladies & they appreciate that.

Irina is asleep now, and I guess Richard you are up early or working really late.  I think Irina was saying that the many GOOD Russian men are already married.  Those not married do not have the means to support a woman or they are not interested in marriage (or indeed they are "bad" men).

I agree, I think that is precisly what she is saying.
There are plenty of good men here, of that there is no doubt, but most are either already married or the competition for their affection so in demand that many ladies don't bother to want to get involved with them. They are players, they know they are a minority & they know they can have just about any woman they want & they use them at their leisure. Guys like this are the ones serious women do not waste time with. They want more out of life & the man they choose to be with.
To answer DonAz:

Besides that there ain't enough money in it ( just ask Richard )  to make me wanna work--my own business is easy, very  profitable and requires less then 10 hours of my time every week and it sure beats real work…especially owning an agency ....

There is no money in it because I am honest in my dealings. If I were dishonest, like hundreds of others, I would be fairly well off today. You would be surprised how much money one can make doing this in a dishonest fashion, but for the honest agency the struggle continues.
I feel that once we can find some way to elminate the dishonest agents that life for the honest agents will improve greatly. Even if all were required o follow the same rules so that the playing field was level & fair I think many of hose dishonest agencies would close their doors. It is an uphill battle for those who do he right thing, but as all things in life, the bad always outwieghs the good.

[BillyB]

  Some guys here were questioning the higher cost and I think it is justified.  The higher cost doesn't make them better, the higher service does.
KenC

I am not to sure the guys questioning the cost of Amazingloves are wrong for the amount of service they offer. I've read what Amazingloves offer for higher service and it's similar to what many agencies offer. $1500 for membership is for a year, the man must pay for letter translation and phone calls as additional cost. On translanted phone calls, they are nearly 3 times more expensive than the highly recommended RussianGal. Guys like Richard, who is recommended by many, will give you his psychological analysis for free.

I'm not questioning the integrity of Amazingloves or whether or not they are a good agency. But There are better prices out there for similar services and the consumer and posters here, that questioned Amazingloves prices are not necessarily wrong when they want to shop around, and "possibly" get more bang for less buck elsewhere. It's debatable whether they will get for what they pay for. Maybe more, maybe less.

[DonAz]

I am not to sure the guys questioning the cost of Amazingloves are wrong for the amount of service they offer. I've read what Amazingloves offer for higher service and it's similar to what many agencies offer. $1500 for membership is for a year, the man must pay for letter translation and phone calls as additional cost. On translanted phone calls, they are nearly 3 times more expensive than the highly recommended RussianGal. Guys like Richard, who is recommended by many, will give you his psychological analysis for free.

I'm not questioning the integrity of Amazingloves or whether or not they are a good agency. But There are better prices out there for similar services and the consumer and posters here, that questioned Amazingloves prices are not necessarily wrong when they want to shop around, and "possibly" get more bang for less buck elsewhere. It's debatable whether they will get for what they pay for. Maybe more, maybe less.

I learned a long long time ago that when you need a Lawyer, Doctor, accountant or anything to do with the affairs of the heart, you don't shop price you shop for the best and cost be damned.

DonAz

[Michelangelo]

I learned a long long time ago that when you need a Lawyer, Doctor, accountant or anything to do with the affairs of the heart, you don't shop price you shop for the best and cost be damned.

DonAz

True, but there are a lot of agencies in the FSU that fit into the "best" category.   There is no single "best."

Do pick one of the best and you'll improve your chances for success.

[El Rock]

I  believe if  you are relying  exclusively  on    a small agency . you have all  eggs in one basket .

Their  smallness &  price they charge   might  create a sense of 
 " unfair expectations "  , it would to me .
It may rack up your expectations .
Like that of   adopting a child  ,  waiting for the right one  , with too much  anticipation .
Once you have gone  through all that they have , you sit back and wait for a new to walk through the door .

If you are working with other agencies at the same time  , then nevermind .

Working with Amazing Loves is for some men , not  for me .
Still , I think they are a quality  agency  , if  you like that kinda thing .
Rock   

[Bruce]

Its nice to know there is a highly recommended agency for guys to go with in Sochi, Russia.  Sochi is a nice place to visit in Russia. 

The only negatives I saw when I looked at their website was that you do not know how many girls are in their program and can not see if you like any of their photos or descriptions without plunking down $150.   They only had a small sample of girls on their website for a free look and though attractive if I was in search mode they would not be enough for me to plunk down $150 and then $1500 or so more to learn more.  Nope, that business model just does not work for me.  To start with, if I was in the search mode, I would prefer a free look.  For all I know they would have had 0 girls in their database with the criterion I would have been looking for.  $150 just for a look actually seems outrageous to me.   

[DonAz]

Hi Bruce,
I think there is a miscommunication somewhere here.

The whole catalog can be viewed for free. Irina only asks that a guy fill out FREE  profile sheet, then they can look to their hearts content. Irina even mentioned on this thread that guys should not become members of any agency, including hers, unless they find a lady there that they may be interested in. In other words do not join an agency just for the sake of joining one.

DonAz

[Bruce]

Don, thanks for the correction.  Now it makes a lot more sense for those in the hunt to give her agency a look for sure  !

[Rvrwind]

In other words do not join an agency just for the sake of joining one.

Precisely, its just a waste of everybodies time. I have several profiles of guys who registered & were never heard from again. My staff had to spend their time translating those profiles & internet costs to download them & the pictures, for what. Time is money & I don't particulaly appreciate people wasting mine or my employees. We have better things we could be doing, like giving more service & attention to those who don't waste our time!

[Son of Clyde]

I know two Black guys who are married to RW and have been for several years. IIRC  there was a black man married to RW who was a moderator on RWG a couple of years ago.

Could this be Les from RWG? I have met him and he seemed very happy and trying to bring his wife here. It had taken some 18 months from the time they married but it was in 2003 when things took longer.

[Rvrwind]

There was also a fellow who went by the handle Blackman who was black, but IIRC he was Canadian from southern Ontario somewhere.
Its not unheard of for sure & I have no qualms about helping anybody as long as they are in it for the right reasons. Race, creed & color don't matter Jack to me.

[KenC]

There was also a fellow who went by the handle Blackman who was black, but IIRC he was Canadian from southern Ontario somewhere.
Its not unheard of for sure & I have no qualms about helping anybody as long as they are in it for the right reasons. Race, creed & color don't matter Jack to me.

Hmmmm.  Very telling information here Richard.  Let me ask you, if a Black man wanted to meet the ladieson your site and you knew that there were no women on your site that would accept a black man, then you would still take him on as a client?  BTW, I didn't know Jack was black.
KenC

[Son of Clyde]

I think this might be Jack Diddley or Jack Squat.

[Rvrwind]

Hmmmm.  Very telling information here Richard.  Let me ask you, if a Black man wanted to meet the ladieson your site and you knew that there were no women on your site that would accept a black man, then you would still take him on as a client?  BTW, I didn't know Jack was black.

No Ken, I wouldn't automatically take him as a client but would be a little more diplomatic than Irina. I would inform him that to my knowledge none of my ladies are open to the possibility of a relationship with a black man but that if he wanted to try anyway, it would be up to him. I had this recent senerio with an oriental fellow & had to go about it this way.
I would not reject anybody offhand, but I would inform him that his chances are not good. However if he had certain ladies in mind, as the oriental fellow did, I also go directly to the ladies & ask them up front, before I give a diffinitive answer & before he spends one nickel with my company.
Because we know our ladies for the most part most of them I can say are not into a mixed race relationship but there are a couple that do not see it as a barrier to love. If the guy is serious I can even point hm to their profiles & if he is okay with them well then we can do something but if she isn't what he is looking for, well not much I can do there.
But I would never take money from someone I felt I could not help, but I would also never just put it on my website. There are laws against discrimination where I come from & to be perfectly honest its bad manners.

[irina]

They  charge you $150  for the firsrt month , if you qualify , it's   $1,500  a year 

 

Imagine , for every man that signs up , pays $150  for the   "wait and see if we like you period "    .

If  20 men  give them $150 ,  that's $3,000  just   so they can spent a month deicde if they like you ot not .

If they like you , then you get to pay an additional $15  hundred 

for the   year .

 

They make very good money  no matter what !!

 

Smart ladies

 

Hello El Rock~ I understand your theory, on paper it would make sense but,the fact is we do not get many men who are willing to pay this kind of money even for the trial period.

You refer to our trial membership period as a 'wait and see if we like you period' That is not the case. We would be very happy to have all trial period members become full members. Why would we not? I should point out that a trial member may write as many letters as he wishes to as many women as he wishes, so id not a real profit to us for trial members. it is more work then anything else I assure you . I mentioned before that we need to be sure that a man is serious about marriage and that he is a suitable candidate for our lady clients. There is also another benefit to the man, in the unusual case that we do not have a woman who is interested in him. It does not happen often but it does happen. So if that happens there is no need for him to become a full member and waste his money.

 

I know I will never get rich in this business and that many men will not pay our fee to find a life partner. That is OK we understand, however there are men who will become our members and will receive the very best in personal service. I do not think we will ever have more then a handful of clients at any one time, so we will be able to get to know each one very well and they will know me very well. I will not tell my clients things they want to hear, or tell them fairy tales will tell them the truth. I personally know several men from this board and they know the way I do business. I am very blunt and I say what I think.

I would also like to add that one of the reasons we do not have an open catalog of all our ladies is that they want to be discreet the same way most men here do not post there photos in their avatar

 

El Rock I hope my response answered any question you may have about the way we do business.

 

Thank You,

 

Irina D.